2009.01.13 07:00 - Spirals of Cycles

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    ok, I am trying the master listener generated log.  I almost had the same stuff done by the time I got this link, but it did speed up the indent and guardian line.  Thanks for doing the programming.

    Fael, Gaya and Riddle arrived about the same time.

    Fael Illyar: Hi Gaya,Riddle :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello both :)
    Riddle Sideways: good morning Fael and Gaya
    Fael Illyar: Morning for Riddle, afternoon for me and Gaya :)
    Riddle Sideways: ok
    Riddle Sideways: am watching your rez show
    Riddle Sideways: you started as big cotton balls
    Riddle Sideways: and took on shapes, edges and colors
    Fael Illyar: Yes, that's normal with sculpties :)
    Riddle Sideways: clouds really
    Riddle Sideways: SL is very slow for metoday
    Riddle Sideways: well ok, everything seems slow today
    Gaya Ethaniel: It has been for me for few days... yesterday was the worse
    Gaya Ethaniel: worst*
    Fael Illyar: Strange, I haven't noticed slowness.
    Riddle Sideways: either I am running faster then life or ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: Then again, I just mostly jump between places I've already been at :)
    Rather quickly today I jump into taking over the conversation.
    Riddle Sideways: I have really been hit hard with cycles lately
    Fael Illyar: cycles?
    Riddle Sideways: had a dear friend die
    Riddle Sideways: 92
    Riddle Sideways: mother of our longest friends in california
    Riddle Sideways: what a great lady
    Fael Illyar: Ah, that's a loss.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm sorry to hear about your loss Riddle. Tell us more perhaps?
    Riddle Sideways: her daugther (our friend) has had bad health since her teens
    Riddle Sideways: her aging mother was always (until last year) in better health
    Riddle Sideways: they traveled all over the world and her mother did most of the energy
    Riddle Sideways: over the last year she all of a sudden went down hill
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh... no apparent reasons?
    Riddle Sideways: no, several multiple reasons
    Riddle Sideways: many illnesses
    Riddle Sideways: cold turned into pmonia
    Fael Illyar: that's rather fast...
    Riddle Sideways: can't speel that
    Fael Illyar: pneumonia?
    Riddle Sideways: her body just gave out
    Riddle Sideways: one of the few without cancer
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's sad...
    Riddle Sideways: these days everybody gets cancers
    Gaya Ethaniel nods...
    Gaya Ethaniel: So sudden... shocking
    Fael Illyar: Do you think she was shocked herself?
    Riddle Sideways: her daugther just came out of her 14th back surgery
    Gaya Ethaniel: Goodness... 14th?
    Fael Illyar wonders how many surgeries one can need in one place for the same thing...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Must have been difficult for her to see her child suffering so much for such a long time...
    Riddle Sideways: she has a rare / unknown disease that grows spurs inward inside her spine
    Gaya Ethaniel: ouch...

    Riddle Sideways: but, back to cycles
    Riddle Sideways: took my son to new college
    Riddle Sideways: he's a junior, but is transfering to different major
    Riddle Sideways: going to a hippy school for all the right reasons and politics
    Riddle Sideways: am very proud of his ethics, beliefs, actions, ...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Must be in the genes :)

    Riddle Sideways wonders if I really was like that
    Riddle Sideways: I was out saving the world from about 18-30
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow...
    Riddle Sideways: I have the scars to prove it
    Fael Illyar: soldier?
    Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, not as usually defined
    Riddle Sideways: anti-soldier
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fael Illyar: well, rather blurry difference perhaps :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes

    Riddle Sideways: cycles: my daugther is getting ready to leave for Israel
    Riddle Sideways: 5 months
    Riddle Sideways: we will have empty nest
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...

    Riddle Sideways: cycles: my boss (age 45) just had twins
    Fael Illyar: I must admit I'm rather new to this concept of cycles :)
    Riddle Sideways: was reading something about time the other day that lead to cycles
    Riddle Sideways: the wheel of time
    Fael Illyar: Ah, I've read that book series :)
    Riddle Sideways: repeating yearly, weekly, seasonly
    Fael Illyar: well, lacking the last book still... I wonder if it's already published.
    Riddle Sideways: [ah, Fael I am on book 5. We need to talk long]
    Riddle Sideways: [no, his wife just picked the writer]
    Fael Illyar: [that was ages ago]
    Riddle Sideways: [I thought october]
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Fael Illyar: ... oh right, I keep forgetting that time seems to move so much slower now.

    Riddle Sideways: was reading about the greeks having given us linear time
    Riddle Sideways: so we have one camp that thinks time goes straight on
    Fael Illyar: feels more non-linear, definitely
    Riddle Sideways: another camp that thinks it repeats endlessly
    Riddle Sideways: and then us that think it cycles
    Fael Illyar: well, I guess both camps are right in some ways :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure...
    Riddle Sideways: funny how both (or many) can be right yet think they are the only absolute truth
    Fael Illyar: Well, both are on to a part of the truth I think.
    Fael Illyar: cycle thinking might just be a combination of both ... although, I'd need to know more to be able to say :)
    Fael Illyar: cycles definitely exist :)
    Riddle Sideways: taking any one subject, there is some point in time when it looks like it has reached the same point as last year
    Riddle Sideways: yet is slightly different
    Riddle Sideways: the snows come again
    Riddle Sideways: but not the same snows
    Fael Illyar: yes, similar, yet different
    Fael Illyar: just like no two apples are the same
    Fael Illyar: but similar
    Riddle Sideways: in their time the apples come again
    Fael Illyar: yes, apples too:)
    Fael Illyar: and... if we talk about words, apple doesn't refer to anything very concrete. Just a general idea of an apple.
    Riddle Sideways: a spiral comes around to (almost) the same point each turn
    Fael Illyar: Yes :)
    Fael Illyar: and in many ways, these spirals have many more dimensions than just 3 or 4.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Just hope your children don't get too many scars Riddle in the playout of these cycles
    Riddle Sideways: ah, you are already where I was headed
    Riddle Sideways: yes, Gaya
    Riddle Sideways: as parent I wish to spare them the harmful parts of spiral
    Fael Illyar: Yes, parents pass their cycles to their children... always adding some and removing some that they got themselves though.
    Riddle Sideways: as person I know they need to go through it
    Gaya Ethaniel nods...
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I have talked so much today
    Fael Illyar: Well, that's what these meetings are for :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I enjoy listening to you Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: was reading storms scribe-ings
    Fael Illyar: If you waited for me to speak, we might spend a silent meeting :)
    Riddle Sideways wonders if he is spying above us
    Gaya Ethaniel cams around...
    Gaya Ethaniel: All floors clear :)
    Fael Illyar: no-one within 96 meters ... well, excluding scripted objects listening to us.
    Riddle Sideways: he mentions the level of non-judgement that we bring in here
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I remember that comment
    Fael Illyar: I still have plenty of things to catch up with :/
    Fael Illyar: including my own scribe turn that just started
    Riddle Sideways: most of us have brought in chat and things that would have been judged in other places
    Fael Illyar: Yes, it's remarkably low amount of judging that goes on here.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm sure I still do judging perhaps less obviously
    Fael Illyar: Yes, some of it is just hidden, of course.
    Riddle Sideways: and we evaluate everything, which is slightly diferent from judging
    Riddle Sideways: somebody has a wild thought and starts an experiment
    Riddle Sideways: none of us say: that is stupid
    Riddle Sideways: we go ahead and try it
    Fael Illyar: well, not all of us :)
    Fael Illyar: but many do :)
    Riddle Sideways: :D
    Gaya Ethaniel: I haven't parttaken in the Phenomenology workshop
    Fael Illyar: me neither
    Gaya Ethaniel: Though this helped me in a party game the other night :P
    Riddle Sideways: oh, do tell
    Fael Illyar: party game? how come?
    Riddle Sideways: being spoons?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Just a dinner party and we had a game afterwards... one of the question was a definition of Phenomenology so I guessed it right :)
    Fael Illyar: haha :)
    Riddle Sideways: very good
    Fael Illyar: obscure subjects
    Gaya Ethaniel: Are you doing it Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: travial persuit
    Riddle Sideways: I can not make the meetings
    Riddle Sideways: but read the postings
    Fael Illyar: I've been asleep 2pm SLT lately ... even 1pm
    Riddle Sideways: spent a couple of 9-seconds
    Fael Illyar: and interestingly up at 7am Finnish Time. that's 9pm SLT
    Fael Illyar: without alarms too :)
    Fael Illyar: every day since returning home
    Riddle Sideways: my 7am is SL 7am
    Riddle Sideways: another cycle/spiral
    Riddle Sideways: each day has a 7am
    Riddle Sideways: almost the same
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Fael Illyar: well, the cycle is each day, not the times we invented
    Riddle Sideways: one a year there is no 2:33am
    Gaya Ethaniel: mm... I need to go check something... Adams
    Riddle Sideways: once a year we have 2 2:31ams
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day both
    Fael Illyar: Sure, see you later Gaya :)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, bye Gaya
    At this point a rude talking stranger comes by and is banned away.  This session is deleted from this text.
    Riddle Sideways: there is that part of spirals/cycles too
    Fael Illyar: Yes, people come and go... sometimes more permanently
    Fael Illyar: I guess it's a good lesson to get that not every place approves that kind of talk.
    Riddle Sideways: kind of wish you could find out how some lessons turn out
    Riddle Sideways: actors enter your play for moments or entire acts. Wish I could read ahead in the script
    Fael Illyar: Well, you can, to some degree :)
    Fael Illyar: but the key is that the script is not set.
    Riddle Sideways: to varying degrees
    Fael Illyar: or perhaps more like, it's not possible to completely predict how it'll end up before it has ended up
    Riddle Sideways: sunday, I was in a play that was staged in an airport waiting room
    Riddle Sideways: all us actors came in as if waiting for an airplace
    Riddle Sideways: each did how we wait for something to happen
    Riddle Sideways: my battery on my laptop died
    Riddle Sideways: I started people watching
    Riddle Sideways: just as it was getting really good, I had to go get on the plane
    Fael Illyar: hehe :)
    Time to leave.
    Riddle Sideways: well, RL is calling. I need to go.
    Fael Illyar: Ok, See you later Riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: Sorry, I talked so much
    Fael Illyar: Don't worry about it :)
    Fael Illyar: someone needs to get the ball rolling and sometimes keep it rolling :)
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Fael Illyar: See you later :)
    Fael Illyar waves
    Riddle Sideways: bye
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