2009.01.13 07:00 - Spirals of Cycles

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

ok, I am trying the master listener generated log.  I almost had the same stuff done by the time I got this link, but it did speed up the indent and guardian line.  Thanks for doing the programming.

Fael, Gaya and Riddle arrived about the same time.

Fael Illyar: Hi Gaya,Riddle :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello both :)
Riddle Sideways: good morning Fael and Gaya
Fael Illyar: Morning for Riddle, afternoon for me and Gaya :)
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: am watching your rez show
Riddle Sideways: you started as big cotton balls
Riddle Sideways: and took on shapes, edges and colors
Fael Illyar: Yes, that's normal with sculpties :)
Riddle Sideways: clouds really
Riddle Sideways: SL is very slow for metoday
Riddle Sideways: well ok, everything seems slow today
Gaya Ethaniel: It has been for me for few days... yesterday was the worse
Gaya Ethaniel: worst*
Fael Illyar: Strange, I haven't noticed slowness.
Riddle Sideways: either I am running faster then life or ...
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Fael Illyar: Then again, I just mostly jump between places I've already been at :)

Riddle Sideways: I have really been hit hard with cycles lately
Fael Illyar: cycles?
Riddle Sideways: had a dear friend die
Riddle Sideways: 92
Riddle Sideways: mother of our longest friends in california
Riddle Sideways: what a great lady
Fael Illyar: Ah, that's a loss.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm sorry to hear about your loss Riddle. Tell us more perhaps?
Riddle Sideways: her daugther (our friend) has had bad health since her teens
Riddle Sideways: her aging mother was always (until last year) in better health
Riddle Sideways: they traveled all over the world and her mother did most of the energy
Riddle Sideways: over the last year she all of a sudden went down hill
Gaya Ethaniel: oh... no apparent reasons?
Riddle Sideways: no, several multiple reasons
Riddle Sideways: many illnesses
Riddle Sideways: cold turned into pmonia
Fael Illyar: that's rather fast...
Riddle Sideways: can't speel that
Fael Illyar: pneumonia?
Riddle Sideways: her body just gave out
Riddle Sideways: one of the few without cancer
Gaya Ethaniel: That's sad...
Riddle Sideways: these days everybody gets cancers
Gaya Ethaniel nods...
Gaya Ethaniel: So sudden... shocking
Fael Illyar: Do you think she was shocked herself?
Riddle Sideways: her daugther just came out of her 14th back surgery
Gaya Ethaniel: Goodness... 14th?
Fael Illyar wonders how many surgeries one can need in one place for the same thing...
Gaya Ethaniel: Must have been difficult for her to see her child suffering so much for such a long time...
Riddle Sideways: she has a rare / unknown disease that grows spurs inward inside her spine
Gaya Ethaniel: ouch...

Riddle Sideways: but, back to cycles
Riddle Sideways: took my son to new college
Riddle Sideways: he's a junior, but is transfering to different major
Riddle Sideways: going to a hippy school for all the right reasons and politics
Riddle Sideways: am very proud of his ethics, beliefs, actions, ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Must be in the genes :)

Riddle Sideways wonders if I really was like that
Riddle Sideways: I was out saving the world from about 18-30
Gaya Ethaniel: wow...
Riddle Sideways: I have the scars to prove it
Fael Illyar: soldier?
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, not as usually defined
Riddle Sideways: anti-soldier
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Fael Illyar: well, rather blurry difference perhaps :)
Riddle Sideways: yes

Riddle Sideways: cycles: my daugther is getting ready to leave for Israel
Riddle Sideways: 5 months
Riddle Sideways: we will have empty nest
Gaya Ethaniel: ah...

Riddle Sideways: cycles: my boss (age 45) just had twins
Fael Illyar: I must admit I'm rather new to this concept of cycles :)
Riddle Sideways: was reading something about time the other day that lead to cycles
Riddle Sideways: the wheel of time
Fael Illyar: Ah, I've read that book series :)
Riddle Sideways: repeating yearly, weekly, seasonly
Fael Illyar: well, lacking the last book still... I wonder if it's already published.
Riddle Sideways: [ah, Fael I am on book 5. We need to talk long]
Riddle Sideways: [no, his wife just picked the writer]
Fael Illyar: [that was ages ago]
Riddle Sideways: [I thought october]
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Fael Illyar: ... oh right, I keep forgetting that time seems to move so much slower now.

Riddle Sideways: was reading about the greeks having given us linear time
Riddle Sideways: so we have one camp that thinks time goes straight on
Fael Illyar: feels more non-linear, definitely
Riddle Sideways: another camp that thinks it repeats endlessly
Riddle Sideways: and then us that think it cycles
Fael Illyar: well, I guess both camps are right in some ways :)
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure...
Riddle Sideways: funny how both (or many) can be right yet think they are the only absolute truth
Fael Illyar: Well, both are on to a part of the truth I think.
Fael Illyar: cycle thinking might just be a combination of both ... although, I'd need to know more to be able to say :)
Fael Illyar: cycles definitely exist :)
Riddle Sideways: taking any one subject, there is some point in time when it looks like it has reached the same point as last year
Riddle Sideways: yet is slightly different
Riddle Sideways: the snows come again
Riddle Sideways: but not the same snows
Fael Illyar: yes, similar, yet different
Fael Illyar: just like no two apples are the same
Fael Illyar: but similar
Riddle Sideways: in their time the apples come again
Fael Illyar: yes, apples too:)
Fael Illyar: and... if we talk about words, apple doesn't refer to anything very concrete. Just a general idea of an apple.
Riddle Sideways: a spiral comes around to (almost) the same point each turn
Fael Illyar: Yes :)
Fael Illyar: and in many ways, these spirals have many more dimensions than just 3 or 4.
Gaya Ethaniel: Just hope your children don't get too many scars Riddle in the playout of these cycles
Riddle Sideways: ah, you are already where I was headed
Riddle Sideways: yes, Gaya
Riddle Sideways: as parent I wish to spare them the harmful parts of spiral
Fael Illyar: Yes, parents pass their cycles to their children... always adding some and removing some that they got themselves though.
Riddle Sideways: as person I know they need to go through it
Gaya Ethaniel nods...
Riddle Sideways: sorry, I have talked so much today
Fael Illyar: Well, that's what these meetings are for :)
Gaya Ethaniel: I enjoy listening to you Riddle
Riddle Sideways: was reading storms scribe-ings
Fael Illyar: If you waited for me to speak, we might spend a silent meeting :)
Riddle Sideways wonders if he is spying above us
Gaya Ethaniel cams around...
Gaya Ethaniel: All floors clear :)
Fael Illyar: no-one within 96 meters ... well, excluding scripted objects listening to us.
Riddle Sideways: he mentions the level of non-judgement that we bring in here
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I remember that comment
Fael Illyar: I still have plenty of things to catch up with :/
Fael Illyar: including my own scribe turn that just started
Riddle Sideways: most of us have brought in chat and things that would have been judged in other places
Fael Illyar: Yes, it's remarkably low amount of judging that goes on here.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm sure I still do judging perhaps less obviously
Fael Illyar: Yes, some of it is just hidden, of course.
Riddle Sideways: and we evaluate everything, which is slightly diferent from judging
Riddle Sideways: somebody has a wild thought and starts an experiment
Riddle Sideways: none of us say: that is stupid
Riddle Sideways: we go ahead and try it
Fael Illyar: well, not all of us :)
Fael Illyar: but many do :)
Riddle Sideways: :D
Gaya Ethaniel: I haven't parttaken in the Phenomenology workshop
Fael Illyar: me neither
Gaya Ethaniel: Though this helped me in a party game the other night :P
Riddle Sideways: oh, do tell
Fael Illyar: party game? how come?
Riddle Sideways: being spoons?
Gaya Ethaniel: Just a dinner party and we had a game afterwards... one of the question was a definition of Phenomenology so I guessed it right :)
Fael Illyar: haha :)
Riddle Sideways: very good
Fael Illyar: obscure subjects
Gaya Ethaniel: Are you doing it Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: travial persuit
Riddle Sideways: I can not make the meetings
Riddle Sideways: but read the postings
Fael Illyar: I've been asleep 2pm SLT lately ... even 1pm
Riddle Sideways: spent a couple of 9-seconds
Fael Illyar: and interestingly up at 7am Finnish Time. that's 9pm SLT
Fael Illyar: without alarms too :)
Fael Illyar: every day since returning home
Riddle Sideways: my 7am is SL 7am
Riddle Sideways: another cycle/spiral
Riddle Sideways: each day has a 7am
Riddle Sideways: almost the same
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Fael Illyar: well, the cycle is each day, not the times we invented
Riddle Sideways: one a year there is no 2:33am
Gaya Ethaniel: mm... I need to go check something... Adams
Riddle Sideways: once a year we have 2 2:31ams
Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day both
Fael Illyar: Sure, see you later Gaya :)
Riddle Sideways: ok, bye Gaya

Riddle Sideways: there is that part of spirals/cycles too
Fael Illyar: Yes, people come and go... sometimes more permanently
Fael Illyar: I guess it's a good lesson to get that not every place approves that kind of talk.
Riddle Sideways: kind of wish you could find out how some lessons turn out
Riddle Sideways: actors enter your play for moments or entire acts. Wish I could read ahead in the script
Fael Illyar: Well, you can, to some degree :)
Fael Illyar: but the key is that the script is not set.
Riddle Sideways: to varying degrees
Fael Illyar: or perhaps more like, it's not possible to completely predict how it'll end up before it has ended up
Riddle Sideways: sunday, I was in a play that was staged in an airport waiting room
Riddle Sideways: all us actors came in as if waiting for an airplace
Riddle Sideways: each did how we wait for something to happen
Riddle Sideways: my battery on my laptop died
Riddle Sideways: I started people watching
Riddle Sideways: just as it was getting really good, I had to go get on the plane
Fael Illyar: hehe :)

Riddle Sideways: well, RL is calling. I need to go.
Fael Illyar: Ok, See you later Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Sorry, I talked so much
Fael Illyar: Don't worry about it :)
Fael Illyar: someone needs to get the ball rolling and sometimes keep it rolling :)
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Fael Illyar: See you later :)
Fael Illyar waves
Riddle Sideways: bye