2011.03.04 07:00 - The Body... a Retreat Hut

The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

Bleu Oleander: bye bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care bleu
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :)
Xirana Oximoxi: Hi Eliza, and all:)
Darren Islar: was there a bell? Hi Xirana
Eliza Madrigal: no end bell this time..
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Xirana:)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi lea`ping:)
Darren Islar: ah... right
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Lucinda and Yaku!!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey xirana
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful time session this morning... "no effort"
Xirana Oximoxi: why? what happened?
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh for you 'morning' is now!!
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Eliza Madrigal: space
Eliza Madrigal: ah, haha... yes :)
Yakuzza Lethecus pictures xirana with as a yoda
Xirana Oximoxi: afternoon..here:)
Darren Islar: here too
Xirana Oximoxi: yoda?... what's that?
Eliza Madrigal: usually mornin somewhere...
Lucinda Lavender: the rooster is crowing on my block
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, master yoda out of starwars would have said it in that way: ahh for you morning is now!
Darren Islar: I like roosters except in the mornings :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, silly thought of mine
Xirana Oximoxi: ha.is a character
Darren Islar: hi Brian
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey brian
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Brian:)
Brian Roop: hi everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Brian, whatever time of day you may be signing in from
Lucinda Lavender: no effort can you say more about no effort ?
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Brian
Brian Roop: eastern usa time, 10:05 am
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: goos morning..then:)
Eliza Madrigal: I was just looking in google for the reference, but it makes me think of a teaching about 'it is then like a log you should remain...'
Eliza Madrigal: basically, when you want to react to something, you should do rotting log practice... no effort... relax....
Eliza Madrigal: then the response will be organic...
Lucinda Lavender: aha...
Lucinda Lavender: it all changes on its own
Lucinda Lavender: minute particles breaking down
Lucinda Lavender: recombining
Eliza Madrigal: sort of, though what others were talking about mostly, is that it takes effort to tap into 'no effort'?
Eliza Madrigal: hmm... ah, yes nice musing Luci
Eliza Madrigal: releasing hold
Lucinda Lavender: ah I have been trying that I think
Yakuzza Lethecus: releasing hold but not loosing focus
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe sometimes is also good to lose 'focus' :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i agree, still it´s also easy to loose oneself
Xirana Oximoxi: at least for a while:)
Brian Roop: maybe that comes naturally, as the mind'heart/being expands
Darren Islar: hmmmm yes Yaku, there are still a lot of things that are working, awareness, focussing......... you do need to make choices in so many ways, hard to take it organically
Darren Islar: not mentioning the patterns we're not aware abut
Xirana Oximoxi: sure... there are a lot of patterns we have inside that we are not aware of
Eliza Madrigal: pernicious patterns proliferating
Darren Islar: to me it's 'work', sometimes hard, sometimes in a relaxed way.....
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Arch
Darren Islar: hi Arch :)
Lucinda Lavender: hi arch:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes its funny, any word we uesd to describe it can be relaxed as well...
Archmage Atlantis: nods to all...wishes to listen
Eliza Madrigal: Good Work is satisfying
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
Darren Islar: we lost Brian Somehow
Eliza Madrigal: and satisfaction has the effect of releasing tension
Eliza Madrigal: well, SL is a happening place hehe (re Brian)
Darren Islar: or makes us lazy :)
Lucinda Lavender: LL is focussing on allowing for allowing kindness to be present while not expecting a result to that...
--BELL--
Darren Islar: yeah, I guess he found something better to do :))
Eliza Madrigal: sounds like you are working with something in particular lately Luci?
Eliza Madrigal: not that I'm asking for details... bu lots to see in those moments
Lucinda Lavender: My boss gave me a handout...about 100%...being there 100% The name is Al Ritter.
Eliza Madrigal: say more?
Lucinda Lavender: the idea is helping me to let go of focussing on result and feeling in the victime side of things
Lucinda Lavender: victim
Darren Islar nods
Xirana Oximoxi: not sure if I understand well... but sounds not good
Eliza Madrigal: ah... being 'completely' there is all one can 'do'?
Lucinda Lavender: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: not holding back
Eliza Madrigal: presence
Darren Islar ponders, what does that mean to emotions like anger
Lucinda Lavender: well I am not sure about anger...but in the case of dealing with pouting...
Eliza Madrigal: think it means when anger response comes up, then offer it up/relax into a larger space...?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sun
Darren Islar: hi Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: hi everyone - sorry I got shipwrecked
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Darren Islar: hehehe
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Sun:)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
Eliza Madrigal: cute outfit :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ty ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: pls carry on
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually if something causes me to be not 100% being there then it´s such a handout
Darren Islar: being fully there, but letting it go
Eliza Madrigal: being fully there as that which allows letting go
Lucinda Lavender: not taking the bait...of how others feel...
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Darren Islar: what is it you let go, what is it that's there?
Eliza Madrigal: removing one's stingers and finding that one doesn't feel stung anymore
Lucinda Lavender: maybe nothing real...
Eliza Madrigal: that said, wow not easy when wrestling ...
Darren Islar nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am often there when i am not complaining about things in my life, but when someone else starts complaining about things that i complain about myself and even worse it´s just like ,,work harder to change that" then i gain angryness, i don´t want to relate that experience to LL but that´s a situation for me very often
Darren Islar nods to Yaku, yeah I can see the pattern
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome Back Bruce, we're continuing the discussing on 'no effort' and also , being 100% 'there'
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Bruce ;)
Lucinda Lavender: being persistent with kindness, not giving up too soon, and use the learning approach to understanding..."I am curious ..."
Lucinda Lavender: Yaku...understand what you say...
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: what a good point Luci... often my curiosity outweighs my anger....
Lucinda Lavender: Yku
Bruce Mowbray waves hi to all - - - and listens to pick up the theme...
Eliza Madrigal: curiosity as genuine interest
Lucinda Lavender: curious what is of value ...where I could be wrong...what is going on...etc
Xirana Oximoxi: LL = Linden Labs?
Eliza Madrigal: : ) X
Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda Lavender perhaps...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhhh LOL!!
Eliza Madrigal: 'there is something more to see here' or as Stim would say 'what else is true?'
Lucinda Lavender: yes...like that
Darren Islar: yes, curiosity is a great thing
Lucinda Lavender: I tend to go around in the fog of self doubt
Darren Islar knows that one :)
Lucinda Lavender: and this has really helped change the dynamic
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: because somewhere in my consciousness...I am fine
Darren Islar: I really need to go, thanks for a good discussion :)
Lucinda Lavender: hi sun:)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye leaping:)
Lucinda Lavender: nice to see you panther:)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Leaping Darren,bye for now
Bruce Mowbray: TY Darren.
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Luci ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Darren
Lucinda Lavender: I think reestablishing relationship has improved awareness with the exercise
Eliza Madrigal: like a greater stability, Luci?
Lucinda Lavender: yes...like I see strength where I did not before
Eliza Madrigal: pondering ...
Lucinda Lavender: and somehow the strength is awareness
Eliza Madrigal: confidence?
Lucinda Lavender: yes maybe so
Eliza Madrigal: not not based on conditions...
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Eliza Madrigal stops to think of how many times in the last year or so I've thought 'this makes no sense but...' and there comes a kind of joy...
Eliza Madrigal: not even like actually making a decision
Eliza Madrigal: but hm... yes like an unreasonable confidence
Lucinda Lavender: nodding...
Eliza Madrigal: then who can explain that to someone... afterward it may look like genius, haha
Eliza Madrigal: or not :)
Eliza Madrigal wonders if that's how Sun felt opening the cafe'
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm ;)
Lucinda Lavender: sun has a cafe?
Sunshine Vayandar: I can't explain how it felt when everything was ready
Sunshine Vayandar: I have been running an openness project for 10 years in SA
Lucinda Lavender: sun has a cafe?
Sunshine Vayandar: let me show you some pics
Eliza Madrigal: open like the sunshine
Lucinda Lavender: would love to see this...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: would love to see this
Sunshine Vayandar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/opencafe/sets/72157600054708803/detail/
Lucinda Lavender: I am lagging...
Sunshine Vayandar: I found this was the best way to get to know the cultures
Sunshine Vayandar: when I arrived
Lucinda Lavender: I have not server I guess
Eliza Madrigal: arising from curiosity :)
Sunshine Vayandar: oh can u see it Luci?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, later when you have the log you could open the link...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I wanted to know everything
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: ok...:)
Lucinda Lavender: curious...
Sunshine Vayandar: the pictures explain much more I think
Eliza Madrigal has been pondering 'omniscience' as not knowing all facts and hisitories but as 'complete' knowing
--BELL--
Sunshine Vayandar: can u explain more Eliza
Sunshine Vayandar: complete knowing hmm
Xirana Oximoxi: interesting project Sun.. I'll see it more carefully later, as you say, pictures say a lot and smiles of people are present:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes it does look joyful!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lugh
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Xirana - it's been fun and lots of challenges
Lugh Fehr: hey :)
Lucinda Lavender: HI Lugh:)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Lugh ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Lugh
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure I can say much more, except that even in the way we (beings) tend to define something like 'knowledge' we are breaking it up into things to capture
Eliza Madrigal: which doesn't make sense from a Knowing that is Complete ... 'there'
Sunshine Vayandar: and may be we are missing it in the process of breaking it up?
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods nods
Xirana Oximoxi: yw Sun.. challenges of this kind are wonderful!
Eliza Madrigal: nods nods nods
Sunshine Vayandar: IM me anytime - I can tell you about it it you like Xirana ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: *if
Xirana Oximoxi: ok Sun thanks:)
Xirana Oximoxi: I will:)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Sunshine Vayandar: wb Bruce ;)
Eliza Madrigal: wb Bruce :)
Lugh Fehr: hey bruce
Bruce Mowbray is getting heavy rains today -- bad for sattelite connection. . . sry.
Sunshine Vayandar: np Bruce ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: so interesting Eliza - this makes me ponder also
Xirana Oximoxi: np Bruce... I hate when this happens
Lucinda Lavender: all the dividing...of ideas, thoughts, the sorting....is it also somewhat illusion?
Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now.. thanks for this nice time.. see you all soon:)
Eliza Madrigal nods... fragmentation
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Xirana ;)
Lugh Fehr: bye xirana
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xirana, nice to see you
Lucinda Lavender: see you xirana:)
Lugh Fehr: do you guys know any other lists of slogens apart form logong
Lugh Fehr: >?
Lucinda Lavender: Luci likes to sort...
Eliza Madrigal: hm... mind training slogans specifically?
Lugh Fehr: yup
Lugh Fehr: :)
Eliza Madrigal: (always have issues with the phrase 'mind training')
Lugh Fehr: i find them realy usfull
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... though I love lojong
Eliza Madrigal: I love the one 'don't worry, there is nothing real about your confusion'
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Lucinda Lavender: luci listens...
Bruce Mowbray: I really like, "What else is true?"
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
Eliza Madrigal: Stim's Slogan...
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lugh Fehr: always train whit slogens :P
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bruce Mowbray: I also like, "This is optional."
Lucinda Lavender: am currently looking at...don't expect anything in return....
Lugh Fehr: i like endure shame short and to the opint
Eliza Madrigal: 'release all hope of results'
Bruce Mowbray: "no resistance."
Bruce Mowbray: "Love as much as you can from wherever you are."
Bruce Mowbray: "What did you think it was that NEEDED to be loved."
Lugh Fehr: if you can practise while distracted you are well trained
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: "if the meditator is able to use whatever arises in his life as path, his body becomes a retreat hut' Jigme Lingpa
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I also like 'put everything in the fire'
Lugh Fehr: one i stole of a guru is be involved completlly whit whatever your doing mostly im parctily involved be it whit people or things
Bruce Mowbray: "Doorways are infinite." (Dharma Gates are infinite -- I vow to enter them all.)
Eliza Madrigal: but that's not an official slogan :)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: reluctantly, I will have to go ... empty pantries and fridge here, children arriving home in a few hours hungry ...
Bruce Mowbray: TY, everyone. . . Must be going now. One more slogan - in passing:
Bruce Mowbray: "Find your one good well."
Eliza Madrigal: :) Smiles...
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care bruce
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for a wonderful session Luci, everyone
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee all - I will be pondering about all this during the weekend
Lucinda Lavender: good day to all:) And thanks you so much:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Sunshine Vayandar: take care ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs Hugs Hugs, Namaste'
Sunshine Vayandar: hugs hugsss s
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: hugs too all:)
Lugh Fehr: upps missed them leaving
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, that happens to me too very often
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lugh
Yakuzza Lethecus: and arch
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Archmage Atlantis: bue ligh
Archmage Atlantis: by yaku
Archmage Atlantis: bye Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: bye Eliza
Archmage Atlantis: Bye Luci, luv