The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

Sunshine Vayandar: hi Yaku
Pema Pera: ah, nobody started the recorder yet
Pema Pera: so I did now :-)
Bleu Oleander: I can do it if you like Pema
Eliza Madrigal: turned on the lights but still nobody was home... heh
Pema Pera: thanks, Bleu!
Pema Pera: and thanks for the great logo you put up last week!
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Bleu
Bleu Oleander: yw!
Pema Pera: the grey version
Eliza Madrigal: another really nice image!
Maxine Walden: thanks again (and again) bleu !!
Pema Pera: very stylish
Bleu Oleander: :))
Pema Pera: (what I meant with recording: someone has to turn the recorder on, because we are not on a regular time)
Pema Pera: (that's independent of who will log)
Bleu Oleander: ah ok didn't know that
Pema Pera: (without recorder on there is nothing to log)
Pema Pera: clicking on the base of the fountain, you have choices like "record" and "claim"
Pema Pera: and yes, sorry, should have mentioned that earlier
Eliza Madrigal: when I got here I turned on the 'on air' but forgot the recording ... details details... that's only necessary for this session and other 'off time' ones though :)
Pema Pera: at regular hours the sheer presence of a single guardian triggers the recording to start :)
Bleu Oleander: so did I claim ok?
Pema Pera: all thanks to Wol's good servicies
Eliza Madrigal nods
Pema Pera: yes, Bleu!
Bleu Oleander: phew!
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Druth didn't see u ;)
Maxine Walden: I find myself musing about the many simultaneous 'realities' within the same 'space(s)' even this morning: tsunami in Japan, emotional tsunamis that we each and all have to encounter, often every moment...the vastness of the space to embrace all these simultaneous realities
Maxine Walden: often, it seems to me, my capacities to appreciate these myriad presentations/awarenesses of space -- my capacity is very limited...
Pema Pera: unless you find a way to identify with something bigger, perhaps, Maxine?
Eliza Madrigal: and too embrace them 'suddenly', too...
Pema Pera: our capacity as the human beings we think we are is very limited . . .
Bleu Oleander: hi Adams :)
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Adams
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Adam ;)
Pema Pera: hi Adams!
Sunshine Vayandar: Adams ;)
druth Vlodovic: hi adams
Adams Rubble: pant. pant. Hi everyone, sorry to interrupt :)
Wester Kiranov: hi adams

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Maxine Walden: yes, Pema, and yet I feel that it is honest at this point to register my human limits...if I identify with 'something larger' am I really enhancing my capacities, or is this a conjuring on my part...indeed respectfully not sure...
Pema Pera: yes, Maxine, we should not force, I completely agree
Pema Pera: idealism often just makes things worse
Pema Pera: the first thing is to accept our limitations
Maxine Walden: agree, Pema, idealization itself distorts
Pema Pera: the second thing is to see whether we can "invite" a wider perspective
Pema Pera: Eos's contribution has a nice pointer
Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions_--_Eos_Amaterasu
druth Vlodovic: people's real limits are much furthur out than we think, a browse of you tube will see people doing impossible things all the time
Pema Pera: yes!
Eliza Madrigal nodding...
Pema Pera: acknowledging limits initially helps, to "get real" but then when you stick to those limits, you are subtle building smaller perceived limits inside of whatever your real limits may be
Pema Pera: (which may not be there at all)
Adams Rubble: life requires us to do more than we think we can do more often than we think
Maxine Walden: seems to me that awareness of my human limits keeps me in touch with humility, which for me is vital for the sincere invitation to wider perspectives...humility may be the keyword there...
Pema Pera: like a kind of compasionate compass . . . (great phrase, Maxine!)
Maxine Walden: yes
Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions_--_Maxine_Walden
Eliza Madrigal: humilty actually seems to make room... like slowing down does so often
Maxine Walden: agree, Eliza!
druth Vlodovic: too much humility can become chains, then we forget that the chains have no hooks, just our hands holding them
Wester Kiranov: so there needs to be a balance between humility and confidence. But a radical one, somehow
Wester Kiranov: 100% of both
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Wester Kiranov: these things are not quite two ends of the same line, I feel
Adams Rubble: humility in regards to our sense of self; confidence in what we can do
Wester Kiranov: thanks adams, I was trying to say that
Pema Pera: yes, both -- we always tend to limit, to reify, to find something to hold on to. Bruce's notion of us wanting to give "functional roles" and "locations" to Space was nice too, and the "Here I am" of all that shows itself
Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions_--_Bruce_Mowbray
Eliza Madrigal: (turbo tax told me this morning, that I can "buy extra peace of mind" ;-)
Maxine Walden: :)) Eliza
Bleu Oleander: :))
Pema Pera: turbo vs. turbulence :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bleu Oleander: both can be tsunamis
Maxine Walden: :) bleu
Eliza Madrigal: " It felt like coming out of the closet to the whole world and being happily surprised by the fresh embrace of unqualified acceptance"... lovely, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: :)

--BELL--
Pema Pera: as always, I enjoyed your pictures, Bleu, in http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions_--_Bleu_Oleander
Bleu Oleander: :))
Maxine Walden: her images worth a thousand words...
Eliza Madrigal: 'suddenly'... hit with acceptance @ Bruce, and wow yes always sit there a while with your images Bleu
Bleu Oleander: personal space interesting concept
Pema Pera: and I enjoyed (is that's the right word :) the way that tooth ache and Eliza played with each other in http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions_--_Eliza_Madrigal
Pema Pera: *if
druth Vlodovic: some boundaries are protective or for hiding, letting the universe in is as hard as letting ourselves out
Pema Pera: letting ourselves be seen is the hardest and the easiest . . . .
Maxine Walden: enjoyed Eliza's letting the pain be heard/felt/seen...and wondered if that in itself seemed to 'let it be'...
Pema Pera: hardest until you really try, and then it turns easiest
Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks Maxine.... and yes.... it eased up almost entirely once I got up....
Eliza Madrigal: like it was acknowledged so settled...
Eliza Madrigal: but that's me reading in perhaps :)
Maxine Walden: so interesting, Eliza
Maxine Walden: I find that too; when I can acknowledge some 'pain' it tends to recede; but when I try to deny it, it, the pain, remains nagging...as if a child tugging for recognition
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm, nods nods
Eliza Madrigal: Pema, once again I found your report quite poetic .... " become a mystery"... really beautiful and curious phrase
Pema Pera: opening can be disarming -- even for pain
Pema Pera: thanks, Eliza :)
Bleu Oleander: "space being" :)
Pema Pera: what would the world look like, when we see everything as space?
Pema Pera: first thought: "nothing"
Pema Pera: but that's because we contrast space with something
Pema Pera: but what happens when there is no something to contrast with?
Wester Kiranov: apart from both very different and very much the same?
Wester Kiranov: (answer to first question)
Pema Pera: :)
Bleu Oleander: is there understanding without contrast, without relationships?
Pema Pera: (response to first answer)
Wester Kiranov: :D
Pema Pera: without relationship of the type we are familiar with, perhaps, Bleu
Pema Pera: without clashing contrasts?
Eliza Madrigal: yes contrast almost implies 'up against'
Bleu Oleander: subtle contrasts?
Pema Pera: like clouds in the sky more than bricks in a wall?
Maxine Walden: perhaps contrasts as islands separated by a connecting sea
Bleu Oleander: we need to fine tune our vision perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Maxine Walden: several of the reports seemed to have the image of connecting sea, waves of various magnitudes...

--BELL--
Wester Kiranov: Pema used that metaphor in his text.
Wester Kiranov: And it's a nice metaphor, anyway.
Pema Pera: all these metaphors can both help and hinder :-) I love them, but then I also feel I have to drop them. -- the challenge is to find a way that is at right angles to our usual focus on dividing contrasts
Bleu Oleander: the fog of being
Pema Pera: I wish we could just "hand" such a way to each other
Pema Pera: as a little present, with a ribbon around it, and with a smile :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Maxine Walden: not let the metaphors become saturated, but have fresh ways to focus, like the haiku?
Maxine Walden: the gift of each spontaneous haiku
Pema Pera: if they trigger the "right angles" experience, they have really done the job -- if not, still nice, but . . .
Eliza Madrigal: that image of 'edges floating in waves' seems to linger too... 'become a mystery' has that feel.. edges floating away but not going anywhere
Bleu Oleander: art often fills that role of right angle focus
Maxine Walden: :) yes, Eliza
Wester Kiranov: or keep on finding ways to appreciate our metaphors without starting to believe in them
Maxine Walden: oh, yes, bleu
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods Wester
Wester Kiranov: art should do that, yes
Sunshine Vayandar: Bleu - your pictures say so much ;)
Bleu Oleander: :))
Eliza Madrigal: evoke a wordless response
Maxine Walden: nods appreciatively toward bleu
Pema Pera: yes, definitely, art can pick up where words can't go
Pema Pera: so in the end it boils down to what we get out of it . . . whether we can turn on a dime or not
Maxine Walden: ? Pema, turn on a dime?
Pema Pera: whether we treat it as just a cozy conversation and stimulating set of images and warm friendship -- or whether we really drop/turn/wake up :-)
Pema Pera: (turning at right angles allows you to turn on a dime too :-)
Maxine Walden: ah, thanks.
Pema Pera: ((Pema now turning into a hell fire and brimstone preacher, oh my!))
Bleu Oleander: actually cozy conversation, stimulating images and warm friendship is alot right there!
Eliza Madrigal: thus the hair..
Maxine Walden: Seems to me that sometimes the turning can be a bit fuzzy out of uncertainty and humility
Pema Pera: of course it is, but there is so much more, in addition, qualitatively more
Bleu Oleander: is "more" subjective?
Pema Pera: there is no subject in the "more"

Pema Pera: it is beyond beings

Eliza Madrigal: warm friendship can really defy expectations and turn things upside down... 'surprise of acceptance' :)
Maxine Walden: perhaps Pema reminds us of the cosmos of potential for new exploration
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bruce Mowbray: :-)
Maxine Walden: invites us not to become too comfortable with the cozy...
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: warm friendship can be the most direct expression of the suchness of what is, for sure!
druth Vlodovic: jittery uncertainty is no guarantee you're on the right path :)
Pema Pera: but when we focus on the warmth, and walk straight past the suchness, the next moment we risk losing the warmth again too
Adams Rubble saw a Buddhist quote this week “From all that he loves, man must part.”
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Eliza Madrigal: deep acceptance perhaps throws separate 'beings' into question, too... then can't hold on in same way ...
Pema Pera: we must part from (the image we have of) ourselves . . .
Pema Pera: when we do that, everything else falls in place
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Luci ;)
Maxine Walden: have to go...nice conversation...thanks.....

--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Maxine
Maxine Walden: bye for now
Bleu Oleander: bye Maxine
Adams Rubble: Hello Luci. I am afraid I must part :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Luci
Wester Kiranov: byee maxine
Pema Pera: I'll have to move on; hi and bye Luci!
Bleu Oleander: bye Adams
Adams Rubble: bye all :)
Lucinda Lavender: HI Sun, and all:)
Wester Kiranov: hi luci, lovely dress
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye all leavers
druth Vlodovic: bye max, adams, pema
Pema Pera: thank you all!!
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Pema ;) ty
druth Vlodovic: etc :)
Wester Kiranov: I'm leaving too. bye
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce, Adams...
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Lucinda Lavender: bye and blessings to all:)
Eliza Madrigal: and Wester :)
Wester Kiranov: namaste