2011.03.22 07:00 - Name the Levels of your Silence

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by a Riddle Sideways.

It has been some time since an unplanned topic emerged to engage and delight this much.

Almost titled "the Degree of crinkled-ness Eyebrows meter".

    Riddle Sideways: hI xIRANA
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Alf's EgoBox is still here
Xirana Oximoxi: yes ..I see:)
Riddle Sideways: an ego boost is just a click away :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I don't need it for a long time!!! after all your welcome in email !!! :)
Riddle Sideways: and welcome you are
Xirana Oximoxi: ty:)
Riddle Sideways: that was a great email from you
                            --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: the use of colour
Riddle Sideways: the pulling of phrases
Xirana Oximoxi: well... I've seen that in some way... the 'work' of Guardians is multiple and has a little bit of everyone:)
Xirana Oximoxi: the colour was in the log of the session!!1
Riddle Sideways: ah, then you have each voice a different colour
Riddle Sideways: which viewer ?
Xirana Oximoxi: and there's also the writings thet Arch has recomended..
Xirana Oximoxi: no, not here... when I see the wiki online.. I think it was Eliza who put different colours to 'bold' the sentences
Riddle Sideways: ok, I had not read it online
Xirana Oximoxi: bold..I mean 'emphasize'
Riddle Sideways: was there. only read ones that not at
Xirana Oximoxi: you read it here? in SL?
Riddle Sideways: when at sessions
Riddle Sideways: which is not very often
Xirana Oximoxi: ahh ok :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, sometimes rl doens't let a lot of time to come:)
Xirana Oximoxi: :(
Riddle Sideways: like right now :}
Riddle Sideways: made mistake and read some emails
Xirana Oximoxi: yes... we are only two:)
Riddle Sideways: ppl are getting so they come later
Riddle Sideways: when it is up to 10-15 minutes late I do not enter
Riddle Sideways: but most do now
Xirana Oximoxi: A little later is also better for me... ext week we change the 'time' lie in USA
Xirana Oximoxi: you don't come when its 15 minutes lter? why?
Xirana Oximoxi: later
Riddle Sideways: it is nice, there is already daylight now, here
Xirana Oximoxi: do you think it disturbs the sesion?
Riddle Sideways: don't know why, but seems if can't be on time then not at all
Riddle Sideways: silly non-reason
Xirana Oximoxi: oh!
Xirana Oximoxi: yes!
Xirana Oximoxi: silly reason.. :)
Xirana Oximoxi: non-reason
Riddle Sideways: it does distrub the session flow sometimes
Xirana Oximoxi: it happens to me if its 45 minutes late :hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: but I understand what you mean
Xirana Oximoxi: I've also seen that the people here do a lot of activities... not only coming here
Riddle Sideways: more and more there are other activities
Riddle Sideways: more ppl bring new things to try
        Topic/Title entry alert
Xirana Oximoxi: I find specially interessting the sl retreat... it must be a strange experience... but here the power of mind to comunicate, even in silence, is strong
Xirana Oximoxi: I live mostly in 'silence'... so I like to chat... but I suppose there are also different kind of 'silence'
Riddle Sideways: yes, many different levels
                            --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: for example (so timely) what kind of silence did you just have during that 90 seconds?
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe... I was thinking, that I would ask you exaclty the samme!! lol
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: see, communicating across SL silences
Xirana Oximoxi: I also thought that my mind usually don't stay in 'silence' and I jump from one thought to another
Riddle Sideways: ah yes, the hardest silence
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! true.. sharing thoughts
Riddle Sideways: these levels of silences
Riddle Sideways: we all seem to know them
Riddle Sideways: yet do not label nor discuss them

    If some people have a 1,000 words for snow and there are hundreds of words to describe this wine then why is there at least a few ways for us to communicate the many (yes, Virginia there are many) levels of "Silences".

Xirana Oximoxi: in a book, Meditation für Dummies, I've read that one can learn how to be really in silence
Xirana Oximoxi: I mean.. to et the mind quite
Xirana Oximoxi: *let
Riddle Sideways: btw - love all those ".. for dummies" books
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I've only begin to read this one :)
Riddle Sideways: it takes hard work tho
Xirana Oximoxi: a lot of discipline too
Xirana Oximoxi: it's like a gymnastic
Riddle Sideways: yet... it can happen in a breathe
Xirana Oximoxi: learning to breathe, to sit...
Riddle Sideways: one of the times I was a beginner
Riddle Sideways: a person showed what they did
Riddle Sideways: but, another said what they did
Riddle Sideways: and I got confused which was correct/right
Riddle Sideways: so I listened to a third and heard yet another way
Riddle Sideways: one would say "sit this way..."
Xirana Oximoxi: so... you've had to find 'your own way'
Xirana Oximoxi: isn't it?
Riddle Sideways: with so many conflicting methods (that I did try) it seemed easiest
Riddle Sideways: try what seems intuitively 'right'
Riddle Sideways: if it works. good
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Riddle Sideways: if it needs a little tweaking, ok too
Riddle Sideways: then add or subtract what else "feels" right
Xirana Oximoxi: tweaking?
Riddle Sideways: = slight adjustments
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh ok :))
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Sun
    Sunshine Vayandar: hi Riddle, Xirana ;)
    Riddle Sideways: (like saying that)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Sun!
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
    Xirana Oximoxi: me too:)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Blu
    Sunshine Vayandar: ;) hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi Xirana, Riddle :)
Xirana Oximoxi: we were talking about how we experience 'silence' (more or less)
Riddle Sideways: we were just chatting about "levels" of silence
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Bleu! :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ok then I keep quiet ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Riddle Sideways: no no
    Bleu Oleander: hi Sun
Xirana Oximoxi: neeee :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Riddle Sideways: even in a stadium of cheering you can find silence
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I love music and in music silence is as much part of music as anything else
Sunshine Vayandar: even with the vuvuzelas?
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes, riight
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
                            --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: well, we did say it was hard work
    Riddle Sideways whispers, Morning Eliza
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Eliza:)
    Sunshine Vayandar: mornin Liz ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Friends :)
Riddle Sideways: guess ppl can tell the 90 sec silence is 'on' by looking at fountain
Sunshine Vayandar: oh I usually don't think of that
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: never thought of that
Riddle Sideways: did not either
Sunshine Vayandar: now I will
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and also I put my PaB watch back on, so wherever I am in SL I can remember...
Riddle Sideways: that silence was not very silent for me !
Sunshine Vayandar: watch?
Xirana Oximoxi: what happens at the fountain!!! ??? I will look at it better now
Eliza Madrigal: Oh it goes all misty, Xirana :)
Sunshine Vayandar: let's watch the next one ;)
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... let me give you one Sun and X... think Riddle and Bleu have one already?
Xirana Oximoxi: ohhh I didn't notice .. nad observateur (me)
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, have one of those watches in this messy inventory somewhere
Sunshine Vayandar: yay ty ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: *bad
Bleu Oleander: no don't have one
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, ty Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Best to wear if you aren't going to an event of some sort...hehe
Bleu Oleander: so it rings every 15 min?
Sunshine Vayandar: hm it looks like a texture
Eliza Madrigal: although fun while dancing... like freeze tag
Xirana Oximoxi: it rings everywhere?
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, really?...
Eliza Madrigal: yes X
Xirana Oximoxi: oh! ok
Sunshine Vayandar: the icon next to the name in the inventory hmm - but I have seen that before
Sunshine Vayandar: yay I have a watch ;)
Eliza Madrigal: I've been getting back 'on track' with the pauses, have the timer open on the compute for outside of SL today too
Xirana Oximoxi: Riddle... 'silence in a stadium of cheering ' must need a lot of practice (recovering the subject of experiening silence)
Eliza Madrigal: 'feeding time back to time' :)
Sunshine Vayandar: I got a bit mixed up with all the tasks and wasn't so "quiet" as before ...
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle, you are hosting from a stadium today?!?!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Sunshine Vayandar: yes the main stadium in Joburg
Riddle Sideways: android gong app goes off in my pocket most times
Xirana Oximoxi: nooo Elize lol.. we were talking avout silence. and he has saig one can find it also in a stadium!
Riddle Sideways: no
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: stadium cave
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Riddle Sideways: topic was (almost) how to find silence
Sunshine Vayandar: there are so many types of silences
Riddle Sideways: from the "Meditation for Dummies" book
Eliza Madrigal: what dummy bought that? hehe
Xirana Oximoxi: me
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: :))
Riddle Sideways: yes, we were starting to discuss the levels of silence
Sunshine Vayandar: brb
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: good topic actually... forgive my interrupting :)
Bleu Oleander: the colors of silence
Riddle Sideways: we all know those levels
Eliza Madrigal: or was it the pause that interrupted?
Sunshine Vayandar: back ;)
Eliza Madrigal grins
Riddle Sideways: but have not defined common language labels
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Riddle Sideways: the silence during a breathe
Riddle Sideways: ooooooooo, love that emitter Sun
Eliza Madrigal: are silences kinds of space?
Riddle Sideways: think so
Bleu Oleander: thought spaces
Riddle Sideways: silence space
Riddle Sideways: and noise space
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: and the degrees between
Eliza Madrigal: drawn by times?
Eliza Madrigal: TY Sun! :)
Sunshine Vayandar: yw ;)
Riddle Sideways: looks like juggling PaB logos
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: these are bigger than the last ones... how great
Sunshine Vayandar: For example today I was in town - and had some time to sit - and was thinking about what Eliza said about eye brows
Sunshine Vayandar: when I notice that they are not completely relaxed - i am in a more silent state
Eliza Madrigal: (thanks for reminder :::: relaxes :::: )
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Eliza Madrigal: my eyebrows indictate to me that there is more depth of relaxation available... even when I think I'm calm they show me I'm not quite
                            --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: the degree of crinkled-ness of eyebrows meter
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Eliza Madrigal: so then that's a open place to respond... like stepping back from the canvas....
Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;) may be one could develop a watch for that too in RL
Riddle Sideways: another is the length of breath meter
Eliza Madrigal pictures Groucho watch
Bleu Oleander: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: silence is very interesting hmm ;)
Riddle Sideways: the electricity went off here a few days ago
Sunshine Vayandar: oh here it's normal
Eliza Madrigal ponders length and depth of breath
Riddle Sideways: and that silence was so strange
Riddle Sideways: we live with the electric buzz for so long
Riddle Sideways: that it is missed
Sunshine Vayandar: thinking of playing didj in RL - to do some breath work ;) and annoy everyone ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: yes when the power goes out - there is a quiet
Eliza Madrigal: true, electric buzz is something we don't notice all the time...like crinkled brows
Riddle Sideways: yet, external silence does not mean internal quiet
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I was thinking of that Riddle
Riddle Sideways: not very related
Bleu Oleander: silence is never really silent
Xirana Oximoxi: yes, but it may help
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
Sunshine Vayandar: so much might still be going on - even though there is external silence
Sunshine Vayandar: it is also just a word - it might mean many things
Xirana Oximoxi: well, true.. that's what happens to me.. 'external silence' doesn't mean 'internal quiet
Eliza Madrigal: when the power shuts off it can feel liberating, unless it causes the internal to be louder "Oh No, I have a deadline!"
Sunshine Vayandar: for example I am not talking to you all now ... but there is so much talking going on ;)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Sunshine Vayandar: SL for me is a busy place
Riddle Sideways: and the internal can "take a nap' in mid blink
Bleu Oleander: can be, but can also be very quiet
Eliza Madrigal: communicating in text can soften things...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes it can Bleu - but lately all this party stuff ... ;p
Xirana Oximoxi: I understand what you mean Sun... but it has taken me some time to get really immersed in SL
Xirana Oximoxi: and feel this ther kind of communication
Xirana Oximoxi: *Other
Sunshine Vayandar: yes Xirana
Bleu Oleander: I find that I can have very quiet spaces in SL
Eliza Madrigal: hahah, yes re the party stuff :) like speeding up
Riddle Sideways: the new retreat place is a nice quiet
Riddle Sideways: except for the drums
Bleu Oleander: is it finished?
Eliza Madrigal: all the more necessary to pause perhaps...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes it's nice Riddle
Eliza Madrigal: is it reconfigured?
Eliza Madrigal hopes so since retreat is coming this weekend @@
Bleu Oleander: can we take a look?
Riddle Sideways: not sure... there is an "under construction" sawhorse up
Eliza Madrigal: hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I saw that too
Riddle Sideways: lots of tall grasses
Riddle Sideways: to sit in
Eliza Madrigal: Sharon is a night owl sometimes when creative... sure it will be fine :)
Riddle Sideways: and, if you walk thru the waterfall, you'll drop to this pavilion
Eliza Madrigal thinking of silence as unconstructed space...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I love it already .... but she was apologizing ... that ...this and that is not ready ...
Riddle Sideways: well, after hitting the colecule
Eliza Madrigal: OH, great feature Riddle! :D
Riddle Sideways: *mole
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Sunshine Vayandar: a big "drop"
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Sun.... yes the space will never be 'finished'
Riddle Sideways: the cook is never happy with the meal
Eliza Madrigal: but Sharon does beautifully
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: !!
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: I'll have to visit all this Land... to take the Ballon tour.. and so on
Eliza Madrigal: good to be able to give oneself credit and move on though... like knowing when to stop tampering with a painting?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm ask Xirana ;)
Eliza Madrigal: yes I wondered @ bleu and X
Riddle Sideways: seeing the 2 older meeting places on the balloon ride is great
Sunshine Vayandar: I checked out Storms links in his profile - so many nice links to discover
Xirana Oximoxi: ok Sun..I will... but now I must go :(..
    Xirana Oximoxi: I wish you all nice day:)
    Sunshine Vayandar: take care Xirana ;) nice chat about silence
    Xirana Oximoxi: an see you soon
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, did you find the Kuan Yin Oracle, Sun? :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Xirana, take care
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xirana, nice to see you
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye:)
                            --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: bye
Sunshine Vayandar: I found that small buddhist shrine
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) nice...
Sunshine Vayandar: you call it shrine?
    Bleu Oleander: take care everyone .... bye for now
Eliza Madrigal: well do you mean his temple or there is a shrine...
Sunshine Vayandar: I loved the buddha pic in the basic one - without the prayer wheels
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye BLeu :))
Riddle Sideways: this region is going to crash soon
    Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Bleu ;))
    Riddle Sideways: bye blu
Sunshine Vayandar: yes we have to goooo
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: So you mean the temple here then.... yes beautifully done
Eliza Madrigal: ah, and we will get booted off the whole thing... hm
Sunshine Vayandar: yes here
Eliza Madrigal: so can't go to retreat center or temple :)
Sunshine Vayandar: u wanna come visit my place for a moment?
Eliza Madrigal: Sure, thanks Sun :)
Riddle Sideways: many times yo can go to Kira and watch
Eliza Madrigal: hm, now that things are moved?