2011.03.08 01:00 - peace and war. personal problems .

The Guardian for this meeting was Bertram Jacobus. The comments are by Bertram Jacobus.

Bertram Jacobus: hi boxy :-)
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Alfred Kelberry: berty :)
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Bertram Jacobus: funny being ! ... :-)
Alfred Kelberry: wuff :)
Alfred Kelberry: good to see you
Alfred Kelberry: i thought no one would come
Bertram Jacobus: oh
Bertram Jacobus: sry
Alfred Kelberry: you're the guardian?
Bertram Jacobus: no
Alfred Kelberry: ok :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's free
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t want to cause ... work - claiming, posting ...
Bertram Jacobus: by being here as the only one of two lol
Alfred Kelberry: me neither :)
Bertram Jacobus: but if so - one of us should do the service - we will see, who it is, right ? ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: it's berty :)
Bertram Jacobus: may be ! :-)
Alfred Kelberry: you're most qualified :)
Bertram Jacobus: aww - noo - you do that work also, don´t ya ?
Alfred Kelberry: not really :P
Bertram Jacobus: don´t you have a slot ?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Bertram Jacobus: ah !
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: why not ? don´t you like it or do you fear it or what is the reason ? if i may ask ... uh - and i don´t see the pab group in your profile - wasn´t it the case, that you became a member !? -
Bertram Jacobus: hi seel ...
Alfred Kelberry: seel :)
Bertram Jacobus: take a seat with us if you like seel
Seel Winterwolf: ok
Bertram Jacobus: but we are instructed to explain newcomers that at this place our talks are recorded and put on a web site and if they (you) give their permission please for that ?
Bertram Jacobus: i also can give you a notecard about all that ... if you like ? :-)
Seel Winterwolf: yeah
Bertram Jacobus: ty and welcome again ! :-)
Seel Winterwolf: thanks
Bertram Jacobus: we meet here four time every day, at least mostly, some of us ...
Bertram Jacobus: to have talks about play as being, what it means and all that ...
Seel Winterwolf: ok it's cool
Bertram Jacobus: it´s a very nice community ...
Bertram Jacobus: which i like very much and also it´s idea of sharing ...
Bertram Jacobus: and diversity. that everybody may participate and contribute his own view ...
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Bertram Jacobus: and silence, sometimes ! ...
Seel Winterwolf: ...boxy...
Alfred Kelberry: furries are welcomed too :)
Seel Winterwolf: thx
Alfred Kelberry: cause i heard some places discriminate against furries :/
Seel Winterwolf: yeah ...it's bad
Bertram Jacobus: hmm ... why do they do it ? oh - brb
Alfred Kelberry: fear
Seel Winterwolf: hi
Alfred Kelberry: people often afraid what they don't understand or look different
Alfred Kelberry: woly! :)
Wol Euler: hello seel
Alfred Kelberry: *giggles*
Wol Euler: hello bert, boxy
Bertram Jacobus: hi wol ! :-)
Alfred Kelberry: nice to feel you touching my nose, woly :)
Wol Euler: :)
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Alfred Kelberry: not sure why your script didn't work
Wol Euler: what did you change?
Wol Euler: that would be a pretty big clue :)
Bertram Jacobus: but i think : sl and the universe are more or less endless, so ... np with being not welcome on some places (?) ... ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: just put a new script with llsoundplay
Wol Euler: that isn't a useful answer to my question :) but perhaps we should IM this rather than filling the chat with geekery
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Wol Euler: what are we talking about? being unwelcome?
Wol Euler: where?
Alfred Kelberry: furries
Alfred Kelberry: some places in sl don't like them
Alfred Kelberry: or so i heard
Wol Euler: ((I hope somebody gave Seel an introduction and asked about the logging?))
Alfred Kelberry: yes, berty did
Wol Euler: yes, it's true. Many nude beaches and most sexclubs don't, and the Kölner Dom banned them from its services, perhaps still does
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Seel Winterwolf: 0.o
--BELL--
Wol Euler: erm, not that I go to sexclubs as a furry or anything. *coughs*
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Bertram Jacobus: the cologne community bans furies !? that would be awful ! : my city (cologne) is famous for it´s tolerance ! so that wouldn´t fit AT ALL ! ...
Wol Euler: exactly. I haven't been back to check, so perhaps they saw the error of their ways
Wol Euler: but their website doesn't fill me with hope.
Bertram Jacobus: i will check that as soon as possible. that wouldn´t be the so to say cologne spirit
Bertram Jacobus: and strange as well : my experiences so far were quite good. but ok : i also experienced a bit dullness there. very sorry to say that and blame myself for it. but it shall only explain, not blame others please
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: hi freud ! :-)
Freud Jungsten: osiyo
Bertram Jacobus: so - what do you search in sl seel or what for are you here ? some exspections, wishes, dreams ? ... if i may ask ... ;-)
Wol Euler: hello freud
Bertram Jacobus: exspectances*
Bertram Jacobus: expectances* lol sry
Wol Euler: *expectation
Wol Euler smiles.
Bertram Jacobus: bah. wow. ty ! i´m so bad ! ... :o)
Seel Winterwolf: I try to escape from this world or the human being is corrupt to the marrow
Bertram Jacobus: oh i see
Seel Winterwolf: but that's just my way of thinking
Alfred Kelberry: freud :)
Freud Jungsten: heya
Bertram Jacobus: i think, it´s a very high task to make peace with the humans (!) ...
Bertram Jacobus: many people feel such difficulties seel i hear ...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: but i think, we could see that as a challenge
Bertram Jacobus: and even more : i like the idea of loving kindness , for everybody and being ...
Bertram Jacobus: and compassion - but now i stop spamming - sry pls ...
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: no, keep going :)
Bertram Jacobus: i said all i had in mind. and heart. so far - ty ...
Wol Euler: oh I disagree. I know your heart and your mind, and htey are both quite full :)
Seel Winterwolf: yes, but world peace is a dream which everyone wishes to make it real
Freud Jungsten: define peace
Bertram Jacobus: absence of war
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: is it just that though?
Wol Euler: there's also state-internal peace
Wol Euler: absence of civil strife or factional hatred
--BELL--
Seel Winterwolf: Peace for me? is very simple. no more violence, no more discrimination. we do not solve the problems in fighting
Bertram Jacobus: i love simple explanations ! ty ...
Bertram Jacobus: and wol : we could all that which you mentioned call war i think ...
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm back :)
Alfred Kelberry: seel, good point
Alfred Kelberry: i've seen how aggressive people met with a smile turned mellow :)
Freud Jungsten: I just find some of the pacifist thought out there deeply troubeling.
Wol Euler: how so?
Freud Jungsten: I grew up in a very violet home, and the number of people that told me that they wanted to do something but did not think it their place.
Alfred Kelberry: frued, some types can apparently understand only the words of force
Freud Jungsten: The only thing that saved my life was litteraly beating my mom half to death with a hairdryer.
Freud Jungsten: Exactly.....
Freud Jungsten: So people standing back and doing nothing while others are hurt is just sick to me.
Alfred Kelberry: there are no absolutes in any rules or concepts
Alfred Kelberry: only general inclination
Freud Jungsten: I know... but when people take on that attitude in real places, people end up dead.
Freud Jungsten: Look at Darfur, the world has been saying stop for decades now.
Freud Jungsten: And just saying stop has done what?
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Alfred Kelberry: frued, what would you propose for the lybia situation?
Freud Jungsten: Wait and see for now.
Alfred Kelberry: i don't think any talks can make gaddafi leave
Alfred Kelberry: it's either accept it or fight it
Wol Euler muses. "wait and see" might look pretty similar to "doing nothing" to somebody watching you
Alfred Kelberry: wu wei? :)
Freud Jungsten: You are correct.
Bertram Jacobus: i would do what the libyens ask us to do : close the air space
Alfred Kelberry: berty, it'll be war
Freud Jungsten: But the point is, that most of the time it seems to me that most people that talk about peace really mean something different.
Bertram Jacobus: they want to do all other tasks by their own, but they are not able to control the sky
Alfred Kelberry: it's inevitable if external forces will step in
Freud Jungsten: I am not sure about that, not following it close enough.
Bertram Jacobus: they don´t want to have exteral forces on their ground ...
Wol Euler nods.
Bertram Jacobus: and i can understand that very well
Bertram Jacobus: but they please us to help with the air space control
Freud Jungsten: The exacts are complicated I think.
Bertram Jacobus: not please : ask, beg ...
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: it´s urgent
Bertram Jacobus: sry -
Freud Jungsten: brb
Bertram Jacobus: ok - i´ll leave - have a nice day and may all beings be happy pls (!) ...
Wol Euler: bye bert, enjoy hte day.
Alfred Kelberry: auf, berty :)
Seel Winterwolf: thx u2
Freud Jungsten: ciao
Sayuri Elska: ★*´`'* H㋡LA *´`'*★
Sayuri Elska: ★*´`'* H㋡LA *´`'*★
Alfred Kelberry: hi, say
Wol Euler: hello sayuri
Seel Winterwolf: hi
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
Sayuri Elska: i guess yes
Wol Euler: I mean in this place, at a meeting of this group, not in SL :)
Sayuri Elska: long long time ago
Alfred Kelberry: wb then :)
Wol Euler: ah, ok, so you know about Play as Being?
Sayuri Elska: no
Sayuri Elska: what's that exactly?
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: the answer to my question :)
Wol Euler: this is a meeting of a meditation group called "Play as Being"
Sayuri Elska: i guess not
Wol Euler: I'll give you a notecard about the group, which discribes our practices and gives the URL of our website
Alfred Kelberry: ommm... :)
Sayuri Elska: i see
Sayuri Elska: give me now i will read
Alfred Kelberry: freud, how's your running?
Wol Euler: we record these meetings and publish the log on our website, http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
Wol Euler: may we have your permission to include your SL name and comments in the published log?
Alfred Kelberry: freud is taking a nap :)
Freud Jungsten: I wish.
Freud Jungsten: 4am here.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: yeah
Sayuri Elska: i have read it, but i am not serious person like this
Alfred Kelberry: freud, try some boring book
Freud Jungsten: I am surrounded by them.
Sayuri Elska: and i am not good speaker
Wol Euler smiles. We aren't *always* serious either :)
Alfred Kelberry: *makes a silly face*
Wol Euler: and there is no obligation to speak.
Wol Euler: do you meditate, Sayuri?
Sayuri Elska: So, this place is quiet isnt it?
Wol Euler: usually :)
Alfred Kelberry: at times
Wol Euler: and for most of the day, very. the group meets at 1am 7am 1pm 7pm
Sayuri Elska: put some newage or instrument
Wol Euler: short answer: no.
Wol Euler: we meditate here
Alfred Kelberry: woly, do you think we can grasp the concept of infinity?
Wol Euler: longer answer: there are sessions where people play music or sing or recite poetry :)
Wol Euler: it does happen
Sayuri Elska: i dont know
Wol Euler: but the rule is silence
Wol Euler: (silence other than us speaking, I mean)
Alfred Kelberry: say, newage is a good approximation to some discussions here
Sayuri Elska: what is topic this morning?
Alfred Kelberry: this is when i'm quiet :)
Alfred Kelberry: no topic
Wol Euler: we were talking about peace, in various forms
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Freud Jungsten: or the lack of peace
Wol Euler: not only absence of war, but also peace in society or in the home
Sayuri Elska: i served 2 years in war
Alfred Kelberry: where?
Sayuri Elska: other countries
Wol Euler listens.
Sayuri Elska: mostly i was spend my time in africa
Alfred Kelberry: say, from your experience, do you think a military intervation should happen in lybia?
Sayuri Elska: but i can't tell you the real place because it is breaking army rules
Wol Euler nods.
--BELL--
Sayuri Elska: listen, i was just bullshit
Sayuri Elska: actually i was in army 2 year
Sayuri Elska: but i did office works
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: still, what do you think?
Sayuri Elska: i dont have experience
Sayuri Elska: i havent think about that
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Sayuri Elska: when i was in army my job is typing some documents, and make a tea
Alfred Kelberry: nice :)
Sayuri Elska: and wash dish
Alfred Kelberry: did you have green tea there?
Sayuri Elska: what do you mean? canabis?
Alfred Kelberry: no, not pot - tea :) which is green :)
Sayuri Elska: most officer like coffee
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Sayuri Elska: i am not a officer
Alfred Kelberry: military is not fond of green tea
Sayuri Elska: i was coporal
Alfred Kelberry: report: woly, do you think we can grasp the concept of infinity? :)
Wol Euler: I don't know.
Wol Euler: depends who you mean by "we"
Alfred Kelberry: gah! i meant "repost" :)
Alfred Kelberry: human beings
Wol Euler: I can't.
Sayuri Elska: anybody has same sexual intercourse?
Wol Euler: perhaps Buddha or Jesus did.
Freud Jungsten: lol... what?
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Sayuri Elska: i mean gay
Alfred Kelberry: freud, come on :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'm not sure i had
Wol Euler: how can you be unsure?
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Sayuri Elska: when i was private my coproal was a gay
Alfred Kelberry: scrap that :)
Freud Jungsten: Oh... I see what you mean now.... sorry, bad English moment..... lol
Sayuri Elska: i had self defanced
Alfred Kelberry: don't ask don't tell is lifted now, no?
Wol Euler: what happened after that, Sayuri? were there problems?
Freud Jungsten: Was silly policy, I treid to join the military but got disqualified due to medical stuff.
Freud Jungsten: Did not even get to that point.
Sayuri Elska: i had some sexual harassment,
Sayuri Elska: not sex
Wol Euler nods.
Sayuri Elska: 1st time he was real gentle and nice guy
Sayuri Elska: day by day he changed
Sayuri Elska: like a gay
Sayuri Elska: when i make a tea or do something in office he downloaded a AV
Sayuri Elska: and call me "watch together"
Sayuri Elska: and he touched my nack and abs
Wol Euler: definite harrassment, then.
Sayuri Elska: somedays he want to see my piss
Sayuri Elska: and he gave me a bottle of milk bottle
Sayuri Elska: and "show me"
Sayuri Elska: and i pissed
Wol Euler nods.
--BELL--
Sayuri Elska: and oneday he said make a pussy
Sayuri Elska: so i hide my penis between my legs
Sayuri Elska: and now i dont like a man
Seel Winterwolf: kick to nut ?
Sayuri Elska: no
Freud Jungsten: Understandable.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: I'm sorry to hear that, Sayuri.
Sayuri Elska: i cant make an insubordination
Sayuri Elska: i am a male in real
Sayuri Elska: you know why i am pretneding a girl?
Wol Euler listens.
Alfred Kelberry: sorry folks. i have to go.
Sayuri Elska: because i am hooking a stupid guys linden
Sayuri Elska: have a good one
Sayuri Elska: bye
Wol Euler: you too, and good luck.
Freud Jungsten: lol
Sayuri Elska: who;s turn?
Sayuri Elska: i am done
Wol Euler: no, I mean that seriously. Not about getting money, that's your business, but I hope you can resolve your history.
Wol Euler: I have to go, sadly, I hve to work this afternoon.
Wol Euler: take care, enjoy the day.
Sayuri Elska: international women's day
Sayuri Elska: isnt it?
Wol Euler smiles.
Freud Jungsten: Ciao... try to sleep now.
Sayuri Elska: ciao
Wol Euler: bye freud, sleep well; bye sayuri, bye seel, nice meeting you both.