2011.03.21 13:00 - 'Damn Lies and Statistics'

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.  Second Life was obviously having a bad day, and it was nearly ten past the hour by the time I arrived at the PABvilion.  Fortunately, Riddle came along almost immediately.

Agatha Macbeth: Well, for the record I've had the devil's own job logging in
Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised no-one else is here yet...
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, the devil's own job
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: Hi
Riddle Sideways: am parsing that phrase
Agatha Macbeth: Jeez, SL is being a pain tonight
Riddle Sideways: Yes, had real troubles
Agatha Macbeth: I thought i wasn't going to get here
Riddle Sideways: I got to my home and it was b+w
Agatha Macbeth: My name isn't showing up, or yours
Riddle Sideways: My profile won't show
    --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: logged out and back in and went to the beach
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like a prob with LLs central database
Riddle Sideways: The great and powerful Lindens decided everybody whould go to the Beach
Agatha Macbeth: What is your Av supposed to be, actually?
Riddle Sideways: well... it was going to be a rez cloud
Agatha Macbeth: Nah, too solid :p
Riddle Sideways: then some emitters happened
Agatha Macbeth: Happened is the word
Riddle Sideways: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's different anyhow
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, never noticed the text comnig into the log box like this
Agatha Macbeth: I don't use V2 so I don't know
Riddle Sideways: thought it was a greater intelligence looking av
Riddle Sideways: a superior Being
Riddle Sideways: that you would treat it like it had intelligence
Agatha Macbeth: My text is coming up fine, except the 'nicknames' are just ???
Agatha Macbeth: names in brackets are ok tho
Riddle Sideways: still, SL is working better then 1st Life
Agatha Macbeth: Natch ;-)
Riddle Sideways: I can not concentrate today
Agatha Macbeth: Something I *always* have a problem with is that
Agatha Macbeth: Mind has a tendancy to fly off elsewhere
Agatha Macbeth: It's unusual to see you at this time...
Riddle Sideways: yes,
Riddle Sideways: not sure why am here
Riddle Sideways: like was called
Agatha Macbeth: Normally our paths seem to only cross at the Guardian Meeting
Riddle Sideways: ummm, hi/bye darren
Agatha Macbeth: Darren?
Riddle Sideways: was here for a few seconds
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Well, you saw more than I did then
Riddle Sideways: oh this is much more fun then writing executive summaries
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's just going to be you and me then...
Riddle Sideways: ok
Agatha Macbeth: Any good topics in mind?
Riddle Sideways: should we talk about that box over there
Agatha Macbeth looks
Riddle Sideways: or the logo/star object
Riddle Sideways: or party
Riddle Sideways: or 3 years of Being interruptions every 15 min
Agatha Macbeth: Well the PAB logo is almost certainly someone's from emitter [it was Sun's :) ]
Agatha Macbeth: and got left behind
Agatha Macbeth: The box I would imagine is something to do with Alf
Riddle Sideways: the stat box might be useful
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it is
Agatha Macbeth: Time was, when you saw a box round here it was Yaku's
Agatha Macbeth: ...now it's usually Alf's :)
Riddle Sideways: but should be painted and hidden
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if it's the latest update of his twitbox?
Agatha Macbeth: (Let's see...) [right click, edit]
Riddle Sideways: probably
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, statbox
Riddle Sideways: it does stats
Riddle Sideways: reports on us
Agatha Macbeth: Hm...contains a text called 'sensor'
Agatha Macbeth: and that's basically all I can tell about it
Riddle Sideways: yep
Agatha Macbeth: except that it's green ;P
Riddle Sideways: am reading about a sensor right now http://www.botanicalls.com/
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, can see Aphro on the edge of my map, so she's in
Riddle Sideways: allows plants to tweet
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: really useful then
Riddle Sideways: (which one of the funnier sentences in a long time)
    --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
Riddle Sideways: /brb
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Riddle Sideways: aggers, how did you say that
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Boxy
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Alfred Kelberry: yay! finally logged in :)
Alfred Kelberry: sl has problems
Agatha Macbeth: You had trouble too?
Riddle Sideways: ah the boxy we were asking about
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Agatha Macbeth: What's the green box for Alf?
Riddle Sideways: is that your box
Alfred Kelberry: http://status.secondlifegrid.net/
Alfred Kelberry: yes, sorry
Alfred Kelberry: ha! names don't get resolved either
Agatha Macbeth: [POSTED 1:06 PM PDT Mar 21 2011] We are aware that a portion of our residents are currently experiencing problems logging in and with inworld services as well as having difficulty logging onto the Second Life website. We are currently working to resolve this as swiftly as possible. In the mean time, please avoid making important transactions or rezzing no-copy objects.
Agatha Macbeth: (For the record)
Alfred Kelberry: aga :)

Note: much of the ensuing conversation revolved around Alf's statbox.  Unfortunately, the readings it gives are not picked up by the Listener, and thus do not show up in the log.  As Mark Twain said 'Lies, damned lies and statistics.' ;-)
Riddle Sideways: wow, Alf you are 14 scripts
Alfred Kelberry: eco-friendly
Agatha Macbeth: He is script boy!!
Agatha Macbeth: The prim-god of PAB
Alfred Kelberry: your fancy av takes up 4 megs :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'm a girl :p
Riddle Sideways: what does the 74(72) mean?
Alfred Kelberry: see the header :)
Alfred Kelberry: total scripts (running scripts)
Alfred Kelberry: 2 idle
Agatha Macbeth: Who is?
Riddle Sideways: think you are, agg
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not too idle
Riddle Sideways: no, 72 active
Agatha Macbeth: This is all Swahili to me
Riddle Sideways: am, my radar was 2 scripts
Agatha Macbeth: So, the bottom line is: I'm slowing up the sim - right?
Riddle Sideways: no, you are very powerful beauty
Bleu Oleander: speaking of slowing up the sim ..... :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww :)))
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Agatha Macbeth: Finally made it in?
Riddle Sideways: Hi Bleu and Korel
Korel Laloix: heya
Agatha Macbeth: And hello Korel
Agatha Macbeth: Wow, quite a crowd now
Alfred Kelberry: korel!
Alfred Kelberry: bleu :)
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, your hud isn't ready yet :)
Bleu Oleander: oh, for me boxy?
Alfred Kelberry: am i a cloud?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, bleu
Bleu Oleander: np
Agatha Macbeth: You make HUDs too Alf?
Bleu Oleander: wanted to know my script count
Alfred Kelberry: only custom ones :)
Riddle Sideways: ummm, you are puffy, but not a cloud
Agatha Macbeth: I see everyone just fine
Riddle Sideways: you are 33 blu
Agatha Macbeth: Happy birthday Bleu :p
Bleu Oleander: come down from yesterday's
Alfred Kelberry: hp? wee! :)
Bleu Oleander: birthday?
Agatha Macbeth: 33?
Riddle Sideways: ooo hippy birdday
Alfred Kelberry: again?! :)
Bleu Oleander: I'll take that
Agatha Macbeth: Me too!
Bleu Oleander: ah, my AO was big hog
Alfred Kelberry: wow, 6 bleu :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we should roast it
Bleu Oleander: are all AO's that big?
Riddle Sideways: you lost 27 real quick
Bleu Oleander: so what is left .... the 6 part?
Riddle Sideways: aggers you have how many AOs
Agatha Macbeth: Several, but I only wear one at a time
Bleu Oleander: wow, down to 3
Bleu Oleander: feel younger already
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Riddle Sideways: this diet is working
Bleu Oleander: fast too
    --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Where's the twitbox Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: oh...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Riddle Sideways: like the way Alf looks to the heavens for answers
Agatha Macbeth: Ara! :))
arabella Ella: Hiya!
arabella Ella: Hey aggers :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Arab
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you
Alfred Kelberry: ara! my egobox inspiration! :)
Bleu Oleander: hi ara
Agatha Macbeth: Ah...egobox
Korel Laloix: brb
arabella Ella: Hey Alfie thanks for that ego massage :)
arabella Ella: loved it
Alfred Kelberry: :)
arabella Ella: wow
Alfred Kelberry: aga, sun updated it with sound and pretty particles :)

The Twitbox duly appears...
Agatha Macbeth: Ta da
arabella Ella: i could not resist alfie!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: aga likes playing cubes :)
arabella Ella giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like the Lindens buggered it
Alfred Kelberry: yep
arabella Ella needs an ego box in my pocket or as an app on my phone
Alfred Kelberry: iphone, ara?
arabella Ella: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Araphone
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'll think about it :)
arabella Ella: well alfie if you make it into an app ... would luv to know
Alfred Kelberry: although, i'm pretty sure there's a similar app on itunes
arabella Ella: we can get some apps here but not i tunes proper for some wierd reasons
Alfred Kelberry: 3g?
arabella Ella: yes
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Riddle Sideways: ah, for $0.99 your phone will tell you that you look fabulious
Alfred Kelberry: :)
arabella Ella: cool
Agatha Macbeth: I have a mirror that does that :p
Riddle Sideways: mine does not
Alfred Kelberry: aww, aga :)
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Agatha Macbeth grins
Alfred Kelberry: riddle, you have to look at it actually
arabella Ella: does your mirror speak to you ags?
Alfred Kelberry: it doesn't print messages :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: but I wouldn't repeat what it says
arabella Ella: LOL
Alfred Kelberry: come on, aga
arabella Ella: pls do!
Riddle Sideways: oh, the "who is fairest in the land" mirror
Alfred Kelberry: one quote
Agatha Macbeth nods. Something to do with eating apples
Alfred Kelberry: nom
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Susan
Riddle Sideways: ouch
Bleu Oleander: hiya Susan :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
arabella Ella: who is ???
Agatha Macbeth: You, me or Riddle
arabella Ella: not me
Riddle Sideways: the Lindens a bit confused today about our names
arabella Ella: someone who knows how to by pass something
Agatha Macbeth: The database is having trouble remembering us
arabella Ella: oh does that mean we should all have an identity crises?
Agatha Macbeth: Not another one?
Riddle Sideways: not sure... do you want to
arabella Ella: nooooooo
Bleu Oleander: likes my "3"
Agatha Macbeth: will the statbox show up in the log Alf?
Riddle Sideways: usually that does not show up in log
Agatha Macbeth: Bummer
arabella Ella: i was hoping it would tell me i am intelligent :(
Riddle Sideways: somebody's at the guardian meeting did
Agatha Macbeth: No-one will know what we're talking about!
arabella Ella: LOL
arabella Ella: nothing unsual there ags
Riddle Sideways: maybe the chat should be cut-n-paste today
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed

Sadly, owing to LL's tech probs, none of our names showed up in my chat, so Riddle's suggestion was non-implementable.  What a day Mr Rosendale!
Riddle Sideways: to get this other dialogue
arabella Ella: i think it is nice a bit mixed up ... au naturel
Agatha Macbeth: I could work it in probably [wrong! Aggers]
Riddle Sideways: Hi Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi Guys
Agatha Macbeth: Micky boy :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hii
arabella Ella: is the ego box gender biased Alfie?
Riddle Sideways: hey, it knew my name
Riddle Sideways: that time
Agatha Macbeth: Only your log-in name tho Rid
    --BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: um, it doesn't know about genders :)
Alfred Kelberry: everyone's equal :)
Agatha Macbeth: But some are more equal than others
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Mickorod Renard: thinks of james brown,,its a mans world
Agatha Macbeth waits for Ara to say something
Alfred Kelberry: they still paste long urls in tweets
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Agatha Macbeth: Who do?
Alfred Kelberry: previous tweet
Mickorod Renard: bleu and riddle,,how do u keep so lean?
arabella Ella: Hey ags sorry was distracted
Agatha Macbeth is puzzled
arabella Ella: will scroll back
Riddle Sideways: nothing going on behind the curtain
Bleu Oleander: just dropped my AO and unscripted my boots :)
Mickorod Renard: he he
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, nifty :)
Mickorod Renard: now I know why Rhi used to be nude
Bleu Oleander: walk funny though
arabella Ella: what was i meant to say Ags?
Agatha Macbeth: The Ministry of silly walks
Alfred Kelberry: mick, you don't know how many scripts keep her going :)
Agatha Macbeth: About what Mick said Ara
Riddle Sideways: the default silly walk
Bleu Oleander: ha
Mickorod Renard: I didnt think I was that loaded with stuff
arabella Ella: ummmmm ... isnt that typical of Mick?
Alfred Kelberry: most don't, mick
Alfred Kelberry: time to think about our impact on the sim :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes :p
Mickorod Renard: yes, sl environmental friendly
Alfred Kelberry: guess who's the eco-champion of pab?
Bleu Oleander: what is the 3 for?
Mickorod Renard: how do i see what i have running?
Agatha Macbeth: Storm?
Alfred Kelberry: sam!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Alfred Kelberry: 0 scripts!
Agatha Macbeth: Close
Mickorod Renard: o000o?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello chi
Alfred Kelberry: yes, mick
Alfred Kelberry: chi :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Chi
Chi Aho: Hello, everyone!
Riddle Sideways: Hi Chi
Bleu Oleander: hi Chi
Alfred Kelberry: sadly, there's no storage in sl for scripts
Alfred Kelberry: tom cruise!
Chi Aho: I had trouble logging on for about an hour
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Alfred Kelberry: tweet
Agatha Macbeth looks round
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, my name is back :)
Riddle Sideways: yeah, login was big trouble
Mickorod Renard: I wonder how i have 9 scripts running?,,i knoew I have a silly walk
Mickorod Renard: thats about all
Alfred Kelberry: crap, no nested lists in lsl
Agatha Macbeth: [gasp] Who should we call about this?
Chi Aho: hey, zon
Alfred Kelberry: zon :)
Zon Kwan: hm..boxes
Mickorod Renard: hi Zon
Bleu Oleander: hi Zon
Zon Kwan: hey all
arabella Ella: doesn't everyone have a silly walk on SL Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Zonski
arabella Ella: Hiya Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Depends on the AO Ara
arabella Ella: yes Ags I know but I dont see any natural walking on SL regardless of AO
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bleu Oleander: so might as well have a low lag one
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's just not technically possible
Riddle Sideways: weel folks, gotta go be non-productive elsewhere
    --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: bye all
Agatha Macbeth: Enjoy being non-productive Riddle
arabella Ella: bye Riddle
Wol Euler: evening all
Bleu Oleander: hey Wol
Wol Euler: bye riddle
arabella Ella: Hiya Wol!
Agatha Macbeth: What time d'you call this?
Wol Euler: yeah, I know
Mickorod Renard: hi Wol
Agatha Macbeth hugs you
Wol Euler smiles wanly and hugs back
Alfred Kelberry: woly! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not ill still?
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Awwww
Wol Euler: getting worse again, it feels like
Mickorod Renard: owww,,nowt serious I hope Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Seen the doc?
Alfred Kelberry: woly, i'm sad... lsl doesn't support nested lists :/
Wol Euler: virus infection that won't go away
Wol Euler grins.
Chi Aho: What does that 124 (123) 2224KB mean?
Alfred Kelberry: oh? you're sick, woly?
arabella Ella: oh nooo Wol wish you a speedy recovery!
Wol Euler: ty ty
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Mickorod Renard: for sure
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly*
Alfred Kelberry: agreed
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Chi Aho: Now, running so many more scripts than others - why is that? and is that bad?
Alfred Kelberry: rhia :)
Wol Euler: hello rhi
Wol Euler: it depends what they are doing, chi
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rhi
Alfred Kelberry: rhia!!!
Alfred Kelberry: 17 megs! :)
Agatha Macbeth: ZZZZZap!!!
arabella Ella: Hiya Rhi!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Rhi
Wol Euler: you are *potentially* contributing more to the local lag than others, but that's not absolutely true
Chi Aho: Hi, Rhia
Wol Euler: hello rhi
Agatha Macbeth: Only *potentially* true
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Wol Euler: a script that is idle waiting to be clicked uses no resources, one that is listening to the local chat channel uses many more
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, logical I guess
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Alfred!
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi arabella!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Mick
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Wol
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Chi
Chi Aho: Well, my AO is off, and I have a flight band and other stuff i guess
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ri
Mickorod Renard: Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: I didn't even think that you guys would still be here; I forgot I parked my avi behind this post, in case I could come. I'm on my text client
Alfred Kelberry: woly, as you can see all 287 are running and consuming their 64kb each :)
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so (grin)
Alfred Kelberry: 64kb for mono compiled scripts, 16kb for lsl
Rhiannon Dragoone: All 287 what? Alts? lol
arabella Ella: well Rhi don't forget Europe is not yet on daylight savings time so many of us are here later
Agatha Macbeth: You tell me Rhi...all too technical for me
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, right. So 1 is really 2
Bleu Oleander: my AO count is the same whether it's off or on
Rhiannon Dragoone: Agatha, just came on, so no clue
Wol Euler: scripts running, rhi
Wol Euler: probably in your resizeable hair
Agatha Macbeth: 2+2 =5
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, scripts; wow, talk about a lag monster
Alfred Kelberry: :)
arabella Ella: yes Rhi 1 is 2
Rhiannon Dragoone: So for about a week, if I can make it, it should be at 2?
arabella Ella: depends where u r based Rhi
Agatha Macbeth: Why not 3?
Wol Euler: no, it's always at 1pm SL time
Rhiannon Dragoone: So is Alfred all sparkly, and everything?
Rhiannon Dragoone: But you all stayed~just for me. awwww
Alfred Kelberry: rhi, that's also ironic. 287 scripts on a text client :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well, we're like that
Alfred Kelberry: i'm... a cloud... of sort :)
Agatha Macbeth: No, you're a dog
Alfred Kelberry: um...
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, well, I'm not running them, are I? I know my avi should look about the same as on a full viewer.
Alfred Kelberry: sort of
Wol Euler: a bit mis-shapen but definitely doggy
arabella Ella: you are not a cloud Alfie just a boxie doggie
Alfred Kelberry: rhia, no worries :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfie's a dog?
Rhiannon Dragoone: I knew it all along. lol
Alfred Kelberry: robopup
Wol Euler: yep
arabella Ella: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: How 'bout me? Am I doing ok, behind this column?
Mickorod Renard: am I the lowest now?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Wow, I just saw the stat box. You know, just a little more, boxy, and you could crash the sim. 
Wol Euler: if your name is "???" yes
Rhiannon Dragoone: What are you runnin?
Mickorod Renard: well,,some say I have always been the lowest
Blonde Starsmith: I See You
Blonde Starsmith: I see me through your eyes
Blonde Starsmith: I Honor that which is in you, which is in me.
Blonde Starsmith: Your love shines the way into paradise
Blonde Starsmith: I See You
Alfred Kelberry: a new game from sl - guess your name :)
Agatha Macbeth: I see you baby...shaking that a**
Chi Aho: Hello, Blonde; I was in wrong window
arabella Ella: I see you ... stunning blondie ... boxie ... woly ...
Rhiannon Dragoone: Nice, Blonde
Blonde Starsmith: It is an honor to be here once again, it has been a long time since I came here
Alfred Kelberry: i'll try to relog... if i can :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, you have been here before?
Alfred Kelberry: poof
Blonde Starsmith: Yes months ago...
Agatha Macbeth: Good, saves me having to ask :p
Blonde Starsmith: a few times early in 2010
Wol Euler: I like this: "You are not a human having a spiritual experience, you are a spiritual being having a human experience." (from Blonde's profile)
Rhiannon Dragoone: I like that too; I think it's right
Agatha Macbeth: Aw, sweet
Blonde Starsmith: It is my reality
arabella Ella: cool
Rhiannon Dragoone: Nothing else really makes sense
    --BELL--

From here, the conversation turned from tech to philosophy. 
Blonde Starsmith: I am not the author of that, but resonate it
Mickorod Renard: thats nice,,but I resonate more with Rhi statement' nothing really makes sense'
Blonde Starsmith: Awww... but all things make sense in hindsight
Agatha Macbeth: It's true Mick, that's why :p
Chi Aho: Really?
Blonde Starsmith: If we truely understood the sense and purpose of all things... we would be in nirvana...
Mickorod Renard: hindsight,,,i been thinking about that lots
Rhiannon Dragoone: Nothing else makes sense is what I said. 
Agatha Macbeth: Ah...
Bleu Oleander: we make our own sense and purpose perhaps?
Chi Aho: Yes, I didn't think Rhia would say that nothing makes sense
Blonde Starsmith: yes as we resonate with all vibrations around us... we move or fight the move
Blonde Starsmith: it is all free will... there are no wrong decisions
Blonde Starsmith: only decisions that are different
Mickorod Renard: what is else?
Rhiannon Dragoone: If we think of our selves as material beings who have spirits, then that creates endless problems and makes us turn our back on some of our experiences; but if we are spirit beings first, then our materiality can be intelligible.
Blonde Starsmith: Yes as my spirit occupies this avatar same as the one at the keybaord
Bleu Oleander: hmmm
Chi Aho: and our purpose is to return to spirit, innit?
Blonde Starsmith: others see this just as a "game piece" but I would make a louse checker piece
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah mate
Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, 2nd life is a good metaphor for a lot of what mystics and divines have been saying
Mickorod Renard: I am having a problem thinking on that level at the moment
Rhiannon Dragoone hands Mick a mushroom, guaranteed to get him to the 'higher level.'
Blonde Starsmith: lol
arabella Ella: why should we eliminate the environment which gives us our experiences Rhi?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Sorry. I was listening to Jefferson Airplane's 'Go Ask Alice,' on the way to meeting a client this afternoon
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: Chi, I think our purpose is rather to help others to step up a level
Agatha Macbeth: It worked for Carlos Castaneda Mick :p
Blonde Starsmith: I do love that... White Rabbit... there is much sense in Alice in Wonderland
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, well, to say the environment gives us the experience begs the question. Where do the experiences comne fromn? We only know the environment through our experiences.
Blonde Starsmith: as so much art is symbolic
Bleu Oleander: can we define our own purpose?
Agatha Macbeth: Yay, Gracie :))
Blonde Starsmith: We learn our purpose... I believe
Chi Aho agrees with Wol, but to help others we must ourselves develop
Bleu Oleander: I think we create our purpose
Chi Aho: We are experiencing beings.
Rhiannon Dragoone to help ourselves develop we must develop others
Chi Aho: Our choices create experiences for us
arabella Ella: yes Rhi but spirit without body and without environment is not dynamically engaged with anything
Blonde Starsmith: I tried creating a purpose for several decades... but kept asking myself "what do I want to be when I grow up"
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, it is dynamically engaged in what we are experiencing; and yes, maybe that lacks substance, but it is still real for us.
Blonde Starsmith: .so one I gave up "creating" and let go, I receive or came to understand my purpose
Chi Aho: Don't we all want to have a sense of wholeness and to lead lives of integrity? That entails development
Bleu Oleander: I like creating my purpose
arabella Ella: i am only suggesting a more holistic view Rhi as without a body or a world there would be no fresh red rose to smell or to appreciate for example
Blonde Starsmith: then I honor your path... as we all need the diversity of purposes and directions to make the whole
Mickorod Renard: speculate to propogate ,,as they say
Rhiannon Dragoone: I understand, arabella, but yes, there would be, in our representations of the world. To get from them to real roses is a leap. 
arabella Ella: yes Rhi i would not go so far either ... but some form of dynamic engagement there is and it only comes from a holistic perspective
Blonde Starsmith: That is a shift occurring in realities... is the rose there? or do we learn of the rose in the matrix..
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm not disagreeing with you, but we don't have to make that leap if we start with our being spirit beings manifesting the world. 
Blonde Starsmith: and accept its reality there... and miss it's hidden energitic message
Rhiannon Dragoone: Whereas if we have two distinct things--matter and spirit--there is always the problem of how they interact. That's all I'm saying
Bleu Oleander: bye all :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: bye Bleu!
Wol Euler: bye bleu, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Take care bleu
Rhiannon Dragoone: Good to see you
Mickorod Renard: bye bleu
arabella Ella: yes ... and my point is ... why split them in the first place isnt that a vestige of descartes which we have unfortunately inherited
Chi Aho: bye bleu
arabella Ella: bye Bleu
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, I agree, and if we start with spirit, we have a way to integrate them; if we start with a split or with just matter, then we do have problems. 
arabella Ella: i must confess i was recently influenced by a video i watched on the topic rhi by Alva Noe who was very interesting!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Is that available online, arabella?
    --BELL--
Chi Aho: So much of this is just a choice of words, it seems. We are aware of experiencing within an environment of some kind - then we must find a way to figure out who we are
arabella Ella: yes it is rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'll check it out, arabella
arabella Ella: hre is the link it is in Edge:
arabella Ella: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/noe0...e08_index.html
Mickorod Renard: I think its important to have a belief in a system that makes you happy
Alfred Kelberry: tada
Wol Euler: muuuuuuuch better!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks; i've bookmarked it.
arabella Ella: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: What is happening/ What did Alfy do?
Mickorod Renard: I dont have a link to my belief I am afraid
Wol Euler: returned, properly shaped
Rhiannon Dragoone: As a box?
Wol Euler: dogbox
Blonde Starsmith: Yes... I would have to view this video as... I do agree the vibratonal influences of the ethereal self and the biological response is important to understand
Alfred Kelberry: robopup really
arabella Ella: the link i gave also provides a transcript
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'd try re-logging on a full viewr, but I have 2 bars and I might lose the connection altogether; so I hope no one minds my standing behind this column.
Blonde Starsmith: as all things are made of tones, vibrations the frequences is what we seek to balance
Rhiannon Dragoone: I noticed that, arabella. 
Mickorod Renard: I love those too Blonde, thats why I love motorbikes
arabella Ella: interesting way of putting it blonde please say more
Chi Aho: arabella, i have bookmarked this also and will view it later; i must go to rl now; bye all
Wol Euler: goodnight chi, take care
Rhiannon Dragoone: by Chi!
Mickorod Renard: bye Chi
Rhiannon Dragoone: Good luck on Wednesday!
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Chi
arabella Ella: bye Chi
Rhiannon Dragoone: OK, I have 4 bars now; I think I'[ll try re-logging on the fully viewer, so I can see boxy.
Rhiannon Dragoone: wish me luck
Blonde Starsmith: It is the simplicity of the universe that people miss... as the RL matrix throws illusion creating distractions at us
Mickorod Renard: good luck Rhi
Wol Euler: bye rhi, hüpe it works
Blonde Starsmith: pulling us to define one's self externally instead of internally
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Rhi
Alfred Kelberry: hüpe - new word
Blonde Starsmith: sounds, discordent music, visual eye candy... all lead away from that quiet place where truth and reality is found
Mickorod Renard: bye Rhi
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds Turkish
Blonde Starsmith: gobble gobble lol
arabella Ella: i like what you said about the simplicity of the universe and got to reflect a lot on that over the weekend with the full moon which was spectacular
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: wb rhi
Mickorod Renard: I am with you there Blonde,,simplicity
Alfred Kelberry: wasn't any fuller for me
Blonde Starsmith: simple fact is... nothing you see, touch, smell, taste in the RL matric is "real"
arabella Ella: here it was spectacular
Mickorod Renard: its not so much simplicity but economic
Blonde Starsmith: Raise your vibration.. if you think you ARE your credit score
Alfred Kelberry: 18mb - teh record :)
arabella Ella: depends blonde on your definition of 'real'
Alfred Kelberry: omg! i just noticed that aga is all white and angelic :)
Alfred Kelberry: wow
Blonde Starsmith: I can only call real that which I perceive... not what other's may perceive
Wol Euler: boxy is observant :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, I like the puppy, boxy
Agatha Macbeth: JUST???
Alfred Kelberry: um...
arabella Ella: Ags looks awesome today and so angelic ... lovely!
Wol Euler: talk yourself out of this one :)
Alfred Kelberry: curvy outfit :)
Agatha Macbeth: I've been here two hours!
Wol Euler: he only has eyes for his scripts
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, no longer you're courvy
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Rhiannon Dragoone: Did I miss saying goodbye to Blonde?
Alfred Kelberry: ok, i blame sl issues :)
Wol Euler: she's here, behind mick
Alfred Kelberry: woly, i think you should totally buy this outfit
Wol Euler grins.
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, i see her now
Agatha Macbeth: What - the cardboard dog?
Rhiannon Dragoone waves at Blonde
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Blonde Starsmith: I am here
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's a play on a nurse in heaven
Blonde Starsmith: Thank you Rhi, I look forward to discussions
Alfred Kelberry: kind of
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Alf, right (???)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: I heard that many blondes are actually ginger,
Rhiannon Dragoone: You're welcome; I'm not having formal ones this week, cuz it's Spring Break, but I may have a few informal ones. Next week the formal ones resume
Agatha Macbeth: I am!
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Blonde Starsmith: Ginger? Like from the South Park episode?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Don't make a "snap" decision like that, Blonde
Mickorod Renard: I didnt see that one
Agatha Macbeth groans
--BELL--
Rhiannon Dragoone giggles
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: ok,,on that note I must go home
Alfred Kelberry: woly? you? :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Bye, Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Me too Mick
Rhiannon Dragoone: You leaving too, arabella?
Mickorod Renard: bye folks
Wol Euler: me three
arabella Ella: i must go too good night everyone!
Rhiannon Dragoone: TC
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: goodnight all
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, bye, Wol
arabella Ella: yes Rhi it is 11pm here now
Wol Euler: too tired to stay any longer :(
Alfred Kelberry: cu pablings
Mickorod Renard: nite nite all
Wol Euler: bfn, my dears
Agatha Macbeth: Bye PABers, schlaf gut
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, although I feel I just arrived, cuz of just getting on my viewer, I guess I'll go too.
Mickorod Renard: have fun,,and lots of vibrations
Alfred Kelberry: poof
Blonde Starsmith: Sweet day or night all
Rhiannon Dragoone: bye, boxy
Rhiannon Dragoone: sweet day to you too, Blonde