When I arrived a new visitor ( a friend of mine) was there already talking to Crusty

Malika Cabassoun: I'm new here - where are you? and how long have you been attending these meetings?

Crusty Goldshark: ah OK I am in London - cold here - ice on the ground - had to put water out for the birds as things are frozen

Crusty Goldshark: About 3 or four weeks

Tarmel Udimo: hey there malika and crusty

Crusty Goldshark: Hi Tarmel

Malika Cabassoun: Hi tarmel good to see you again

Tarmel Udimo: grins

Tarmel Udimo: how long has it been about 2 hours?

Malika Cabassoun: something like that...

Then Gaya joined us

Tarmel Udimo: hi gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :)

Crusty Goldshark: Hi Gaya

Tarmel Udimo: meet malika a friend of mine

Malika Cabassoun: hello gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure to meet you Mlika

Gaya Ethaniel: Malika*

And we launched into our topic quickly

Tarmel Udimo: so anybody have a topic?

Crusty Goldshark: death

Crusty Goldshark: Does it exist?

Malika Cabassoun: good one!

Tarmel Udimo: well what do you think crusty?

Malika Cabassoun: the body dies

Malika Cabassoun: flowers die

Tarmel Udimo: yes malika?

Crusty Goldshark: well I don't think everybody dies . . . some Mongolian lama is still not decaying and this is coming for Saints. Do any turn into a rainbow body? Or just a myth?

Crusty Goldshark: common for Saints

Malika Cabassoun: sorry i am on the phone...

Crusty Goldshark: Maika - ask them if they know about death? . . . .

Tarmel Udimo: I thought attaining the rainbow body happened during the life time not afterwards

Crusty Goldshark: varies Tarmel

Crusty Goldshark: if it happens at all . . .

Tarmel Udimo: what do you think gaya re death?

Gaya Ethaniel: mm... just part of life?

Tarmel Udimo: leaving us crusty?

Crusty Goldshark: eventually

Tarmel Udimo: well i used to believe in reiencarnation now I'm not so sure

Gaya Ethaniel: Sometimes I wonder if 're-incarnation' is a symbol for patterns we sometimes go through even in one life span...

Tarmel Udimo: it feels like this is it for tarmel, she only has this life as me and then that's it back to the sky and trees and earth...

Crusty Goldshark: Is anyone sure? I think the ability to detach the conciousness whilst alive is only barely understood and is normally seen as an interior experience . .

Gaya Ethaniel: Re-incarnation as a particular Individual... I'm not so sure

Tarmel Udimo: can you say more both of you?

Crusty Goldshark: Yes many incarnations one life is a very much more mature way of understanding and using reincarnation

Tarmel Udimo: I like that

Gaya Ethaniel: That idea came to me yesterday so you think in that terms too Crusty?

Crusty Goldshark: The idea of continuity of ego is illusionary - I am not the same person I was yesterday or a few minutes ago - but I have memories of that past and the construction of adistinct ego emerges - it is nonsense

Crusty Goldshark: Yes Gaya - I believe reincarnation is a primitive superstition - like gods descending, born of virgins, speghetti monstors and eskimos

Gaya Ethaniel: Spaghetti :)

Crusty Goldshark: Nobody knows - it was just an explanation that appealed to the suffering masses

Crusty Goldshark: Well is life 'Death animated'?

Tarmel Udimo: coming in on a life stream and taking up the memories that go with that stream...

Crusty Goldshark: At what point does one thing turn into another?

Tarmel Udimo: 'Death animated' no I don't think so... its pretty clear when the life force is present and having seen my Dad pass over it was very clear when he was no longer alive but dead...

Tarmel Udimo: or the life force had moved on... but you know the Tibetans talk about the death of the body which takes longer

Crusty Goldshark: Tarmel I have seen dead people but not been present. I have also not died or have a memory of it and I doubt that such memories of previous existences are valid - for example mystics of non reincarnation religious systems have no such memories because they have no such expectations . . .

Tarmel Udimo: Pila has a memory of his last death....

Crusty Goldshark: Well the Tibetan book of dying that yoou may be familiar with talks about the death of the body as taking a lot longer and I think they have some valid pointers - sadly tied in with superstition and nonsense

Tarmel Udimo: and i understand what you mean about expectations... I think we create the reality we are living so this idea would make sense

Gaya Ethaniel: Such memories could be others' [Storm pointed out to me before]

Tarmel Udimo: yes the Tibetan book of the dead...

Tarmel Udimo: yes gaya?

Crusty Goldshark: Pila may have a memory, I have memories, not all of them are real . . .

Gaya Ethaniel: Not one's own... but I can't be sure

Tarmel Udimo: no not all of them are real, but either Pila just made it up or he actually had the expereince of reliving his death either way its valid for Pila...

Gaya Ethaniel nods

Tarmel Udimo: what's your 'religious' b/ground gaya?

Crusty Goldshark: Agreed - valid (as an experience - as is sitting around this fountain - it has some form of reality - but talking of it as having a soul transfer - transmigration - not convinced . . .

Gaya Ethaniel: I follow a Buddhist teacher but open to other ideas as well.

Tarmel Udimo: okay, well talk to Pila because it had a context for this life now which makes sense..

And the session ended abruptly with Gaya and Crusty leaving us, after that Malika and I sat in silence.

Crusty Goldshark: gotta go - CU you guys

Tarmel Udimo: crusty things were just heating up...

Malika Cabassoun: bye bye Crusty

Gaya Ethaniel: :) couldn't take the heat

Tarmel Udimo: yes he always does that... :-)

Gaya Ethaniel: :) I'm afraid I must go also. Enjoy your day

Tarmel Udimo: okay bye gaya