2009.01.05 01:00 – Difference Between a Riddle and a Koan

Gaya was the guardian on call for this session and comments are hers. Gaya found warren sitting at the playgoda when she arrived.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello warren
warren Abeyante: Hi Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: You've been here before?
warren Abeyante: No this my first time
Gaya Ethaniel: ah, let me give you some information. We have sessions each day 1 am, 7 am, 1 pm andn 7 pm
warren Abeyante accepted your inventory offer.
Gaya Ethaniel: We record our discussions on http://playasbeing.wik.is/ Would it be ok to include you?
warren Abeyante: certainly
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you

Crusty joins us.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Crusty :)
Crusty Goldshark: Hi Guys :)
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
Crusty Goldshark: In recovery
Gaya Ethaniel: Recovery?
Crusty Goldshark: . . . from Christmas ;)
warren Abeyante: Hi crusty I'm new here and in sl too
Crusty Goldshark: How are you?
Crusty Goldshark: Hi Warren - have you been to any orgies yet?
Gaya Ethaniel: Still recovering... must have been a big celebration
warren Abeyante: Well at least new years did not set you back
Gaya Ethaniel: Very well thank you :)
Crusty Goldshark: Some guy gets born over 2000 years ago and we are still partying . . .
Gaya Ethaniel: mm...?
warren Abeyante: no I didn't get any 'equipment when I was born. and it got me in so much troble in rl that I haven't bouhgt one yet
Crusty Goldshark: New year ? Which calendar?
Crusty Goldshark: You can get free equipment Warren - stay away from more than one though LOL

Tarmel joins us and Crusty continues to talk in ‘riddles’.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Tarmel :)
Crusty Goldshark: So Gaya - enlightened yet?
Crusty Goldshark: Hi Tamel :)
Gaya Ethaniel: warren, not all of us talk in such riddles as Crusty does
warren Abeyante: hi Tamel
Tarmel Udimo: hi crusty and gaya and warren
Gaya Ethaniel smiles at Crusty
Crusty Goldshark: What have I said that is a riddle?
warren Abeyante: a riddle is just an easy koan
Crusty Goldshark: LOL - well said
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Crusty Goldshark: You can solve a riddle but not a koan
warren Abeyante: ah very wise
Crusty Goldshark: Gaya say something profound before my reputation as a clown is blown . . .
Crusty Goldshark: Do you practice Zen Warren?
Gaya Ethaniel: I'd never do such a thing Crusty...
Crusty Goldshark: Good for you :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
warren Abeyante: not religiously
Crusty Goldshark: In what form then?
warren Abeyante: I do sit a bit
Crusty Goldshark: I sit quite a bit - doing it now . . .oh meditation?
warren Abeyante: no formal zendo in my area so abunch of us sit at a yoga studio
Crusty Goldshark: Isn't that dangerous?
warren Abeyante: we just count breaths
Crusty Goldshark: How many are you up to?
warren Abeyante: some times I get as far as 14 or 15
Crusty Goldshark: that is a lot
Gaya Ethaniel: When I count breaths, I do 1 to 10...
warren Abeyante: well somebody has to do it :-0
Crusty Goldshark: yes - this is the vipassana method they do this in Zen too?
warren Abeyante: me too but sometimes I find myself at fifteen

Tarmel leaves us and we try out 9 seconds.

Tarmel Udimo: I have to leave for a few mins - I'll be right back
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
warren Abeyante: see ya
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm normally ignorant of 'labels' of practices I do... so this is the vipassana not zen?
warren Abeyante: is there ever a program or do you just have discuuions similar to ours now?
Crusty Goldshark: Discussions
Gaya Ethaniel: We have a few 'meditation experiments' some of us participate and discuss as and when
warren Abeyante: I'm just not as normaly ignorant as I'd like to be.
Crusty Goldshark: oh - can we do one of those experiments Gaya?
warren Abeyante: yes lets
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure, let's do 9 sec? For about 9 sec, we 'drop' and 'see'
Crusty Goldshark: Oh its snowing in RL
Gaya Ethaniel: mmhmm very pretty :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Let me first find some information on 9 sec for warren
warren Abeyante: ty
Crusty Goldshark: finished!
Gaya Ethaniel: Report in please Crusty
Crusty Goldshark: shall I do another 9 secs whilts I am waiting?
Gaya Ethaniel: Report first?
Crusty Goldshark: OK - report what?
Gaya Ethaniel: Some of us discuss 9 seconds here, http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_log_excerpts/Excerpts_(short)/Basics_of_9_sec_Practice
Gaya Ethaniel: Your experience of 9 sec if you'd like Crusty
Crusty Goldshark: [shru] Nothing to report
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok :)
Crusty Goldshark: Just snow - how about you?
warren Abeyante: i'll just copy the url and see it later
Gaya Ethaniel: Nothing...
Crusty Goldshark: I'll do another 9 secs with a report in mind
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
warren Abeyante: yes and what is all this nothing I have been hearing about ;-)\\
Crusty Goldshark: Ok this time I gor a w'waterdrop on cherry tree' - the snow melted . . .
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Crusty Goldshark: Snow is swirling now - might be time for another 9 secs

warren leaves us and Crusty tells me a bit about Wii Fit.

warren Abeyante: It is 3:30 in my zone so I'm going to go now hope to see you later and ty for the info Gaya
Crusty Goldshark: drifting flakes . . .
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure I am fit to answer your question warren
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night warren
Crusty Goldshark: bye Tarmel - be kind to the fish
warren Abeyante: ttfn
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: What do you think of 9 sec practice so far Crusty?
Crusty Goldshark: As good as snow
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Crusty Goldshark: I was doing yoga on the Wii Fit again this morning - that is good fun
Gaya Ethaniel: Is it? I've seen it but haven't tried yet
Gaya Ethaniel: Would be difficult do to 'locust' on Wii Fit...
Crusty Goldshark: Yes I hope they bring out Qi Ong or tai chi too - I am trying to unlock (have to do more stuff) the meditation sequence - apparantly the max is only 5 mins . . .
Gaya Ethaniel: Maximum of...?
Crusty Goldshark: Well the exercises are often simplified for example the salutation to the Sun is all done standing
Crusty Goldshark: 5 min max of meditation - I think
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
Gaya Ethaniel: Better than doing nothing I guess
Gaya Ethaniel: Especially if it's fun :)
Crusty Goldshark: Yes I enjoy tennis playing and did some boxing to music this morning - a 3 minute jog etc

Nothing beckons.

Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Crusty Goldshark: Anyway Nothing beckons - have a great day :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Crusty :)
Crusty Goldshark: do my bestest :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)