2009.01.13 19:00 - The meaning of things

Tarmel Udimo was guardian on this session, the comments are hers. When I got there Kirka and Rajah were already there and we exchanged hellos, but they didn't stay for long. Then Corvi showed up and we caught up after having not seen each other over the break.

Tarmel Udimo:  hi Corvu
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi thanks
Tarmel Udimo: having trouble flying in :-)
CorvuscorvaNightfire: clumsy- giggles.
Tarmel Udimo: nice new? outfit
Corvuscorva Nightfire: thanks..it's fairly new...or rather it's old bits put together differently.
Tarmel Udimo: hummm have a good break?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I can't see you.... you are "A BALL OF LIGHT"
Corvuscorva Nightfire: which is a wonderful thing to be.
Tarmel Udimo: oh, I can see you and I see myself...
Tarmel Udimo: wouldn't mind being a ball of light
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I know..happens all the time.
Tarmel Udimo: why does it?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: sometimes if you "edit appearances" I can see you better. I don't know...Wol might, though.
Tarmel Udimo: how is wol, haven't seen her much since she got back...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah...there you are!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: She's been busy at work.
Tarmel Udimo: you're right I just opened edit appearance and voila
Tarmel Udimo: and now you are a lady of darkness?
Corvuscorva Nightfire looks at her tag. I have friends who make interesting tags.

And then we got down to talking about PaB and Pema/Stim discussions

Tarmel Udimo: ahhh.... what did you think of the pema and stim discussion today?
Corvuscorva Nightfire considers. I don't know. I think it was one that sort of is sliding through my brain and will pop out as an idea sometime later..maybe years from now?
Tarmel Udimo: smiles and nods and agrees
Corvuscorva Nightfire: or...perhaps it is already there..that idea...but in the conversation...words piled on top of it?
Tarmel Udimo: yes someimes it is hard to keep up, or it is so personal in a way that perhaps it makes more sense to the speaker
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..I was trying to type that..but couldn't find the right words.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that's well said.
Tarmel Udimo: its like us trying to describe our own experiments, we're in new territory
Corvuscorva Nightfire nodsnods... and..it's not territory where words cover much ground.
Tarmel Udimo: well said corvi! (laughing)
Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles.
Tarmel Udimo: I think the exercises have value in that it feels like they are opening us up to being different
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. they? the exercise?
Tarmel Udimo: yes sorry not very clear
Corvuscorva Nightfire: what part of the discussion grabbed you?
Tarmel Udimo: I thought Stim was very clear about the process of awakening and that it is ongoing.. (I will have to go back and look at text to be sure)
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. I think you're right.
Corvuscorva Nightfire pokes Tarmel.
Tarmel Udimo: hi thought you were going to say more...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: no. I was waiting on you! hahaha.
Tarmel Udimo: hehehe and so?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am really quite ignorant about it...especially on any language level...but conceptually, too.
Tarmel Udimo: not sure what to say to that, sounds like perhaps you are not giving yourself enough credit
Corvuscorva Nightfire shrugs. I think I have realized some things in what people have said...taken onboard a large number of names..but I don't have any background in these ideas...not really.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: so...all the words thrown at the ideas..are kind of...equally interesting, and hard to sort out
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I have ideas of my own...but the language I use is a lot different, and probably all wrong.
Tarmel Udimo: I think in a way that's part of the experiment to see if PaB - the process of stopping allows anyone who has interest to get a clearer understanding of 'reality'
Tarmel Udimo: the discussions are something else and a way for people to discuss being from whatever level they are at and could be confusing because of this
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think the same ideas may have different meanings depending on....*something..i have no idea what*
Tarmel Udimo: depending on which school of thought the ideas are being explored from. I don't have a huge grounding in Buddhism but there are many schools of thought
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods..that I've noticed.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: as well as Taoism, some kinds of hinduism, suffies and certain Christians. Not to mention mathmeticians and physicists. and Western New Age thought...
Tarmel Udimo: yes, espcially as the *something..i have no idea what* is hard to pin down anyway and these various words make it even more so
Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks about the languages.... Corvuscorva Nightfire nods, grinning.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes.
Tarmel Udimo: heaps
Corvuscorva Nightfire nodsnods.
Tarmel Udimo: at least we're all hanging in there which is what is important
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes.
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I read once that there are kind of two ways to come to a point..or to explain one.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: one is linear...like a time line, or an outline.
Tarmel Udimo: yes?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: the other is not...a smattering of ideas sort of circling around a theme...some far off, some close by...some to the right, some above, some in front.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: the theme never quite "struck"...but the ideas circling...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: until a picture emerges.
Tarmel Udimo: mind mapping
Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah...that sounds right.
Tarmel Udimo: perhaps that's what we do here
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. it seems like that might be a way to approach meaning when meaning is too broad to approach.
Tarmel Udimo: there's actually a software program that allows the participant to 'mind map'
Corvuscorva Nightfire tilts her head and wiki's mind map. 

And so we got to the end of very nice chat and said our goodbyes..

Tarmel Udimo: Do you mind if I leave a little early tonight? - I must send this email by 8:00 sl time

Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh no..please do...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'll see you tomorrow.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: or later.
Tarmel Udimo: okay RL calls - yes see you soon -
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye!
Tarmel Udimo: bye