The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.
DR42 Resident: 's current display-name is "Marjorie Chardin".
Bleu Oleander: 's current display-name is "Bleu".
Bleu Oleander: hiya Maude :)
DR42 Resident: .na
DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
Bleu Oleander: how r u?
DR42 Resident: Great, and you? Hello Cat
Bleu Oleander: hiya Cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: Good morning Maude, Bleu :)
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Bleu Oleander: reading any good books lately?
DR42 Resident: Not really, but I have started one called "David's Inferno"
Bleu Oleander: we just had an rl salon last night on Dante's Inferno
Bleu Oleander: have you read it?
DR42 Resident: Yes, years ago.
Catrinamonblue Resident: Haven't but have been meaning to
Bleu Oleander: I just read it this summer ... surprisingly good
Bleu Oleander: there are a series of lectures by a Yale professor on the book online
DR42 Resident: David's Inferno combines intensely personal reminiscences of a two-year nervous breakdown with contemporary insights on how manic-depression manifests and how it is diagnosed and treated. ...
Bleu Oleander: sounds well .... depressing
DR42 Resident: Actually, it is ingightful
Bleu Oleander: reading about it ... sounds very insightful
DR42 Resident: I get annoyed when I can buy a paperback for less money than a Kindle version. The e-book business is charging ridiculous prices.
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: I've gone back to books for a while ... kindle is making my books seem short lived for me
Bleu Oleander: I forget them after I finish reading them
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
DR42 Resident: Books are much more "social" in one way, going to the library to get them.
Bleu Oleander: all the the digital books look the same to me also
Catrinamonblue Resident: I still love the feel of paper in my hands, turning the page etc :)
Bleu Oleander: I also enjoy when people see what I'm reading and come over to chat about it
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Bleu Oleander: don't do that with digital books
Bleu Oleander: reading another surprisingly good one now for a class ... Tolkien's Fellowship of the Ring ... read it?
Santoshima Resident: 's current display-name is "San".
Catrinamonblue Resident: long ago have forgotten most of it now
Bleu Oleander: i've avoided it all these years but am really enjoying it
Bleu Oleander: hi San
DR42 Resident: Even have the DVD. :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
DR42 Resident: I read it the year it came out.
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Bleu Oleander: wow quite a while ago
Santoshima Resident: good morning
Catrinamonblue Resident: Morning San :)
Santoshima Resident: which dvd?
Santoshima Resident: {caught only that part}
Bleu Oleander: fellowship of the ring
Santoshima Resident: ah, ty!
DR42 Resident: 1978 release
Bleu Oleander: I'm reading it for a class
Bleu Oleander: book first pub 1954
DR42 Resident: Lord of the rings
DR42 Resident: Fellowship was 12 years ago.
Bleu Oleander: I'll watch it after the book
DR42 Resident: rEALLY? i REMEMBER GETTING IT WHEN IT WAS NEW IN THE LIBRARY WHEN i WAS A KID.
DR42 Resident: Maybe 1960 or so.
Bleu Oleander: I think that while kids could read it its more interesting to me now
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
Catrinamonblue Resident: the hobit I think is more easily read for kids
Bleu Oleander: probably so yes
Bleu Oleander: did you see the movie?
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)
Bleu Oleander: good interpretation of the book?
DR42 Resident: Yes, in 3d. it was great
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
DR42 Resident: My partner and I just finished watching a car race on TV.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
DR42 Resident: Lots of drama.
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Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
DR42 Resident: hi
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oops, sorry Cat
Eliza Madrigal: Hi everyone
Catrinamonblue Resident: :) it's ok
Santoshima Resident: hello Eliza :)
Bleu Oleander: we've been talking about Tolkien's books
Santoshima Resident: never read them
Bleu Oleander: I hadn't either
Eliza Madrigal will listen.. sounds nice (wow you look elegant Bleu)
Bleu Oleander: ty Eliza :)
Bleu Oleander: I was mentioning that I was reading Fellowship of the Ring for a class and really enjoying it
Bleu Oleander: it picks up where the Hobbit leaves off
Bleu Oleander: am amazing by his use of language
Eliza Madrigal: It is funny when a story becomes so woven into popular culture that one almost forgets it was a book before
Bleu Oleander: exactly
Bleu Oleander: the class is about online gaming and its the only required reading :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: my impression is that those books/that story are a kind of base, so that makes sense
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: I love that Tolkien and CS Lewis were part of the same writing group
Bleu Oleander: Tolkien created a whole world with a vast history of its own
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: I remember first picking up the book and trying to make sense of the maps and being daunted :)
Bleu Oleander: apparently lived near each other and were great friends
Eliza Madrigal: there were others in there... trying to remember who
Bleu Oleander: Auden
Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow...
Eliza Madrigal: reading, the group was called "The Inklings" :))
Bleu Oleander: must have had some amazing conversations!
Bleu Oleander: yes fun name :)
Eliza Madrigal: forgive me but I'll be right back... not feeling well and want to take a cold tablet
Bleu Oleander: awww feel better!
Catrinamonblue Resident: hugs
Eliza Madrigal: thanks... brb
Bleu Oleander: actually I must get going ... busy schedule today in rl
Bleu Oleander: friends from Austria visiting
Bleu Oleander: so please excuse me and take care
Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Bleu take care :)
Bleu Oleander: bfn sorry to miss the guardian meeting :)
Bleu Oleander: will post the themes :)
Eliza Madrigal: back... sorry to miss bleu's departure
DR42 Resident: This has been a tough week for on-topic discussions.
Eliza Madrigal: wonder why
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DR42 Resident: The distinction between Motivation and Intention. (Or the lack thereof.)
Eliza Madrigal: I have a (well I think) good idea for "intention"
Eliza Madrigal: but not sure if others are game
Catrinamonblue Resident: listens
Eliza Madrigal: Well, it is something we did in "Ways of Knowing" group years ago
Eliza Madrigal: we chose intentions, or in that case, precepts
Eliza Madrigal: to try to keep for a week
Eliza Madrigal: each chose something different
Eliza Madrigal: but it wouldn't necessarily need to be that way
Eliza Madrigal: so if I chose something like "do not harm" I would learn a lot about what that meant
Eliza Madrigal: and would be able to share observations
Eliza Madrigal: what do you think?
Catrinamonblue Resident: sounds interesting
Eliza Madrigal: the idea is not to do it in a judgmental way... more to see what we see
Catrinamonblue Resident: so choose an intention? then observe it for a while?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: in a sense, one is really observing themselves with the intention
DR42 Resident: I have no idea how I would choose an Intention.
Catrinamonblue Resident: my intention is to try to sit still for 5 min without anxiety jiggling me ;)
Eliza Madrigal: that's a good one!
Catrinamonblue Resident: not very doable for me though lol
Eliza Madrigal: you could try that every day for a week
Catrinamonblue Resident: ha :)
Eliza Madrigal: even if you "failed" you would see a bit more about it maybe?
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes the awaerness of being
Catrinamonblue Resident: sitting with things that are uncomfortable until they are comfortable :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hanging out with the monsters
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: "where the wild things are"
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :) well... something I thought to suggest anyway, to kind of bring a more "lab" aspect to a topic
Catrinamonblue Resident: really does sound interesting and I will be giving it some thought
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a good time to wander to village hall... see aggers already
Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
Eliza Madrigal: see you soon
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