2013.08.31 13:00 - A-peeling Investigations?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.


    Korel Laloix: Heya
    DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
    DR42 Resident: How are you today?
    Korel Laloix: irritated... but good.
    DR42 Resident: I spent the afternoon cooking.
    Korel Laloix: What did you make me?.. smiles
    Korel Laloix: I did that yesterday evening... was great unwinding time.
    DR42 Resident: Chicken meatballs in an Adobo and garlic sauce.


    --BELL--


    Korel Laloix: Lovely.... nice and spicy?
    Korel Laloix: I do love that sort of cooking...
    Korel Laloix: Experimented with some Argentinean cooking last night.
    DR42 Resident: Not very. It is sitting in a crock pot slow cooking. Dinner is in about 3 hours.
    DR42 Resident: Sounds interesting. I love trying new foods.
    DR42 Resident: Hi Bruce
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Maude and Kori.
    Korel Laloix: Heya.. slow cooking is the best I think.. Crock pots are wonderful things
    DR42 Resident: Mine must be 30 years old.
    Bruce Mowbray: I love crock pots, too. But I only use mine in the winter.
     Korel Laloix: For spiced wine?
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha aha!
    Bruce Mowbray: for anything that's worth cooking, wine included.
    Korel Laloix: When I make chili I let it sit in a crock pot for a couple of days before I start in on it .
    Bruce Mowbray: sounds yummy.
    DR42 Resident: It is always better after it has been re-heated 2 or 3 times.
    Korel Laloix: I do make a great chili I have to admit.
    Bruce Mowbray: I'll bet your chili is great, Kori.
    Bruce Mowbray: (unfortunately, my typist is a vegan.)
    DR42 Resident: Most people find mine too hot, but my partner and I like really hot foods.
    Bruce Mowbray: So much seems "In gustibus, non est disputantum." -- Anyway, my typist doesn't like "hot" foods, either. 
    Bruce Mowbray glances at board to see the topic for this week.
    Korel Laloix: I did learn to make a great vegan chili as well when I was dating Celestse
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, San!
    DR42 Resident: San,
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. "Investigation."
    Santoshima Resident: hello
    Bruce Mowbray: I've discovered that some folks consider certain topics to be "non-investigatable."
    Bruce Mowbray: (also, some experiences.)
    Santoshima Resident: such as?
    DR42 Resident: Just difficult to investigate.
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, not just 'difficult,' (although that also), but also sort of sacro-sanct.
    Bruce Mowbray: Even to suggest an investigation into some subjects seems "wrong" to them. somehow.
    Korel Laloix: I seem to get myself into those sorts of non-conversations a lot.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes!  me too!
    DR42 Resident: Religion and The Yankees vs. The Red Sox.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Korel Laloix: Politics.
    Korel Laloix: Climate change
    Korel Laloix: Race relations
    Bruce Mowbray: Some things seem to be outside of the "investigation" parameters.... like religion, sex, and politics, I suppose.
    Bruce Mowbray: But I investigate all three.
    Korel Laloix: There are lots that people are not willing to investigate.
    Bruce Mowbray: (and usually come up with different discoveries from most folks.)
    DR42 Resident: Because they are afraid they will find what they hold dear is false.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, perhaps so.


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: But, then I would ask why they are clutching those values so powerfully.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: I don't think so..... not all the time at least.. there are some things I will not talk about with some people as their idea of a discussion is me agreeing with them. And then we people use the "stay open minded" insult.. that usually is grounds to end the discussion.
    Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Kori.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, different topics for different contexts?
    Korel Laloix: Sure
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: brb phone
    Bruce Mowbray: My typist will be giving two Sunday school lessons on the Gospel of John - in October....
    Bruce Mowbray: and he's thinking about arguing that John should NOT have been included in the Christian canon.
    Bruce Mowbray: (I'm trying to talk him out of that!!)
    Santoshima Resident: John, out? where will he go?
    Korel Laloix: back in a bit...
    Santoshima Resident: ok
    DR42 Resident: I think they should expand the New Testament to include all the writings left out.
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Kori.
    Bruce Mowbray: (seem to be having a bit of trouble with my connection today, sry.)
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, there were somewhere between 15 and 20 non-canonical gospels in circulation at the end of the First Century...
    Bruce Mowbray: and I am amazed that John got included in the "official" canon -- although that didn't happen until about 125 years later.
    Bruce Mowbray: So, that's something that came out of my typist's "investigations."
    Bruce Mowbray: (I, personally, I feel that my typist is a bit obsessed about it.)
    DR42 Resident: Who are the classes for?
    Bruce Mowbray: I feel that he'd be better off investigating astronomical events -- like new comets, or things like that.
    Bruce Mowbray: The classes are for an adult Sunday school class at a Presbyterian church.
    Bruce Mowbray: (and my typist does not know where the personal "landmines" are... with that group)...
    Bruce Mowbray: so, I am advising hat he use much caution.
    DR42 Resident: Probably a good approach. Maybe just mention that there were many more gospels than the four in the bible.
    Bruce Mowbray: Good point, Maude.
    Bruce Mowbray: but still, we're left with the fact that the Gospel of John got accepted into the canon....
    Bruce Mowbray: and somehow, my typist thinks he needs to explain that....


    --BELL--


    DR42 Resident: Well, let the group lead into that topic. When I would teach, I would show up with enough material for about 4 times what I had time to present, then if people wanted to dive into any specific area, I could go there. Maybe that would be a good way to deal with this one topic. State it, and if someone raises a question, then dive deeper
    Bruce Mowbray: [EXCELLENT suggestion!]
    Bruce Mowbray: I don't think there's any way my typist can cover all of the material he's been investigating.
    DR42 Resident: That is good.
    Bruce Mowbray: so, your suggestion is a practical one....
    Bruce Mowbray: and it would also give the class some sense of control, which might be a good thing.
    DR42 Resident: Learned over the years when I was teaching.
    DR42 Resident: Yes, if you respond to a question, then you cannot step on a landmine.
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, my typist SHOULD also have learned that, but I'm afraid that he didn't.
    DR42 Resident: It helps to feed into their interests and goals. It is more of a dynamic content than them having "control"
    Bruce Mowbray mmmmmmm.... ponders interests and goals....
    Bruce Mowbray: Maybe he (my typist) should begin by asking, "What are your interests and goals in this topic?"
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Qt!
    Qt Core: Hi all
    DR42 Resident: Well, there are better words to use.
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
    Santoshima Resident: hello qt
    DR42 Resident: "What would you like to get out of the next two classes?"
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray: However, there is a PART of my typist that would enjoy shaking up their foundations.
    Santoshima Resident: hello carl
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, carlicann!
    DR42 Resident: Hi QT, Carl,
    Qt Core: Hi Carl
    Santoshima Resident: please excuse me ... needing to go to work
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, San!
    Qt Core: bye San
    DR42 Resident: Once you have a relationship, then you can by presenting "alternate views", not ascribing them to be your own. But only after you have built that relationship, I think.
    carlicann Resident: Oy.. Great to see you Maude, the The Bruce..., and QT
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Carl! May I ask if you've been here before and would therefore know that we post these chats in an on-line wiki?????
    carlicann Resident: yes.. understood
    DR42 Resident: Yes, carl has been here often in the last week
    Bruce Mowbray: great@ THANKS!~
    carlicann Resident: this is day 3 for me in PaB... but we are met before Young Bruce... and we are already friends
    Bruce Mowbray: also, THANKS!
    Bruce Mowbray: wonderful! I love your attitude, Carl!
    carlicann Resident: ur reputation precedes you Bruce... ur quite personable
    Bruce Mowbray: (I feel ethically bound to inform you that the fish and Bruce are "young," but his typist is NOT! ha ha!)
    carlicann Resident: fish decay head first lol
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!@!!
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    DR42 Resident: He's not dead yet!
    carlicann Resident: Bruce and I are a budding bromance LOL
    Bruce Mowbray: whoa!!!!
    Bruce Mowbray: (listens carefully and investigates!)
    carlicann Resident: Presence... is what we do here... I would ring the bell and call us back to that purpose
    Bruce Mowbray: excellent!
    Bruce Mowbray: (except that I have no powers to ring the bell, except when the fountain rings it).
    Qt Core: rl calls, i need to go, bye all
    carlicann Resident: anyone can ring the bell anytime.. that is The Circle Way.. and we are in circle
    Bruce Mowbray: (very soon!)


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: bye, Qt!
    Bruce Mowbray: Carl has made an interesting point....
    carlicann Resident: i can report
    Bruce Mowbray: That being a "guardian" means that I (or any guardian) is "The guardian of Presence.."
    carlicann Resident: Guardian means.. that title... it's the guardian of Presence.. [13:48] carlicann: we can all be unhappy dwelling in the past or in the future.. but we can only be happy in the now... or have an influence whatsoever
    Bruce Mowbray: ..... yes. But there are folks who cannot endure the "now...." perhaps?
    carlicann Resident: it's the only time that G-d can intervene... and we humans too... the now...
    carlicann Resident: Maude recruited me by the way.... it's all her fault LOL
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Zon.
    carlicann Resident: Ahh yes... the now is the present moment... we can act in the now... we can't change the past... and we can't control the future
    carlicann Resident: Hiya ZON
    Zon Kwan: hey all
    Bruce Mowbray: Maude did very well with her recruiting!
    DR42 Resident: I recruit no one
    Bruce Mowbray: heh heh!
    carlicann Resident: Maude has mothered me... it's no secret lol
    carlicann Resident: ty love
    DR42 Resident: b.s.
    carlicann Resident: LOL
    Bruce Mowbray: A most excellent mother!
    carlicann Resident: what's up Zon?
    DR42 Resident: I simply wanted you to feel welcome.
    Zon Kwan: just relaxing
    carlicann Resident: ahh great.. me 2
    Zon Kwan: listening to wise words
    Bruce Mowbray: (Me too, Zon.)
    DR42 Resident: Well, I want to get to next weeks topic.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk. Go for it!
    carlicann Resident: kk ready
    Bruce Mowbray listens carefully.
    DR42 Resident has no wisdom, only learned opinions.
    DR42 Resident: And a banana.
    DR42 Resident: Time. Places to be, things to do.... Have a wonderful day everyone.
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Maude!
    Zon Kwan: banana is a wise thing to have
    Bruce Mowbray: bananas - - - wise?
    Bruce Mowbray: (that seems somehow a-peeling...)
    Zon Kwan: it does


    --BELL--


    Zon Kwan: must go..waves
    Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Zon.
    Bruce Mowbray: Alas, tis time for moi to depart as well. Good to meet you, Carl, and hope to see you here again soon.

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