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2010.10.01 13:00 - Do you really have time to read?
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No headersWol Euler recovered this session from the autologging database. This was a wonderful session, full of ideas, rambling through many topics on a cheerful autumnal Friday.
It started in mid-conversation, as several guardians had gathered before the session. We were discussing a book that a friend is writing, on the construction of identity in virtual worlds.
Wol Euler: one that is unwritten :)
Wol Euler: or in the process of *becoming*
Wol Euler: since years now
Yakuzza Lethecus: vaporware
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: yes, exactly.
Wol Euler: it's about gender and identity and character, and how we create these in SL
Yakuzza Lethecus: the name of the author is ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i see something ,,noctis"
Wol Euler: the SL name is Noctis Oh, but I don't know what name it will be published under
Bleu Oleander: interesting book for you Wol: "Online a lot of the time" by Ken Hillis
Bleu Oleander: about ritual, fetish, sign
Wol Euler: heheheh, that sounds like me. Googling
Alfred Kelberry: woly, maybe your whip technique would be a good incentive :)
Wol Euler laughs. It would, definitely, because Noctis has experienced my whip technique :-PPP
Wol Euler: in RL even
Alfred Kelberry: oh my :)
Alfred Kelberry: wait, what?! how did i miss it?! :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Alfred Kelberry: where was i?!
Alfred Kelberry: ...
Alfred Kelberry: ok, give me a note next time :)
Bleu Oleander: whip?
Wol Euler: yep (to bleu)
Bleu Oleander: do I want to experience it?
Wol Euler: thanks for the tip, that looks like a very good book for me to read.
Wol Euler chuckles. Maybe.
Bleu Oleander: excellent book
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, you sound willing :)
Wol Euler: just love taps, not vicious beatings
Bleu Oleander: can't whip the willing .... hehe
Wol Euler: depends on your attitude to a little consensual pain
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Alfred Kelberry: wol, do you really have time to read fiction books?
Wol Euler: oh yes.
Wol Euler: there is always time to read!
Alfred Kelberry: um, ok :)
Wol Euler: I could sooner do without eating than reading
Alfred Kelberry: you look rather thin :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler nudges yaku.
Wol Euler: hello arch, just in time
Bleu Oleander: bye Wol and Alf
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: i have too many non-fiction titles on my list, so i let movies fill in the fiction part :)
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: bleu :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
Wol Euler: ah, well there we have it. I don'T know how you have time to watch movies :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least movies are over after an hour
Alfred Kelberry: exactly! :)
Wol Euler: but you can read a chapter or even a paragraph at a time
Alfred Kelberry: thanks, yaku :)
Alfred Kelberry: boooring :)
Wol Euler: :-PPPPPPPP
Yakuzza Lethecus: sadly i am too much child of the modern media
Yakuzza Lethecus: i appreciate watching a nice movie on the couch below a blanket
Alfred Kelberry: in fact, some techinical authors do that at times (lyric additions of unknown origin) and it's annoying
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was never able to do the same with a book, sadly
Archmage Atlantis: I have non-human friend, often called pets....they have their own agenda
Wol Euler smiles.
Archmage Atlantis: I like movies, some speak to me, some tv speaks to me, some books
Wol Euler nods.
Archmage Atlantis: Even some art, on the walll that is
Alfred Kelberry: yaku, i think some cosmology book would fit nicely with a blanket :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, stargate universe season 2 just started :P
Archmage Atlantis: But an art in the blankie.....oh well
Alfred Kelberry: ok, we lost yaku :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Yakuzza Lethecus: lost already ended
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Alfred Kelberry: omg! you watched it?! :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i don't consider my media addiction as very positive tho :P
Alfred Kelberry: it's like... total nonsense
Yakuzza Lethecus: it's habitual
Alfred Kelberry: we're all addicted
Archmage Atlantis: Dpends, and no I don't use those....yet
Alfred Kelberry: even archy :)
Alfred Kelberry: um, nice lipstick color, wol
Alfred Kelberry: eliza! :)
Archmage Atlantis: It is part of being human, to focus on something intently
Wol Euler: tjanks
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi :))
Wol Euler: remind me what the symbol on your sweater means?
Alfred Kelberry: tree?
Eliza Madrigal: OH, these are "Buddha eyes"
Archmage Atlantis: Need rez traffic controllers some day in the far future
Eliza Madrigal: Or Arch?
Wol Euler: oh, I see. I thought that it might have been more specific than that
Alfred Kelberry: ah, eliza's sweater
Wol Euler: ty
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, me?
Eliza Madrigal: It may be :)
Archmage Atlantis: That is a gift
Wol Euler: we need arch now, not just in the future
Archmage Atlantis: It translates in most Asian languages
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, apologies... Lucy and I have a meeting :))
Alfred Kelberry: ok, have fun :)
Archmage Atlantis: The symbol I most remember
Yakuzza Lethecus: have fun
Wol Euler: bye eliza, bye luci, takie care
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to peek in... Maybe see you guys later (and sorry laggy lines)
Alfred Kelberry: archy, is it a tree?
Archmage Atlantis: I a man holding the earth and sky
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Wol and all!
Alfred Kelberry: oh... i like it
Wol Euler: nice
Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
Wol Euler: hello darren
Alfred Kelberry: it's kind of like a western turtle :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren
Alfred Kelberry: oi, darren
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Wol Euler laughs.
Archmage Atlantis: More turtles than the west can imagine, alf
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Alfred Kelberry: refreshing :)
Darren Islar: I see two strings and the top of a cartbox in m my viewer :)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day mates
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Wol Euler whistles. NIce butt.
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's me, darren :) ...or a part of me
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha :)
Darren Islar: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Stop
Alfred Kelberry: crazy humans :)
Wol Euler: stop
Darren Islar: hi Agatha
Wol Euler: nice outfit.
Archmage Atlantis: It used to be funny
Agatha Macbeth: Howdy
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: ty
Archmage Atlantis: Now it is a power play
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Agatha Macbeth: Shoot it up the ice
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Yakuzza Lethecus: aflac
Alfred Kelberry: well, off me go
Archmage Atlantis: Quitters
Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Boxie
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care alf
Wol Euler: ok, since it's friday here's a quick and easy geek test: Kobayashi Maru.
Agatha Macbeth: Bless you
Yakuzza Lethecus: andromeda ?
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: star trek
Agatha Macbeth: Perseus?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that's the test
Yakuzza Lethecus: which kirk cheated
Wol Euler: I on't know why I thought of htat just now.
Wol Euler: right.
Agatha Macbeth: Kirk would never cheat
Yakuzza Lethecus: he just changed the parameters of the test
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but that's not cheating
Archmage Atlantis: Aggie, all Kirk did was cheat
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: hello Ara
Agatha Macbeth: Poor old Jim
Darren Islar: hi Ara :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara
Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps that defines us as human
arabella Ella: Hiya
Archmage Atlantis: To change the parameters, so we never cheat
Wol Euler: achieving peace with honour
Wol Euler looks around and realizes that only Arch is old enough to get that
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
arabella Ella: to get which bit Wol?
Darren Islar: I lost touch already a while ago
Wol Euler: "peace with honour" is a Richard Nixon quote, about ending the Vietnam war by unilaterally pulling out American troops
Wol Euler is in a silly mood.
Agatha Macbeth: I remember that
Archmage Atlantis: He means I watched Star Trek when it was a new program on tv
arabella Ella: ah ... so it has a cultural context too
Wol Euler: helicopters on the embassy roof and all that
arabella Ella: r u old enough too Ags :)
Archmage Atlantis: right after color, before square tubes
Wol Euler: wb aggers
Agatha Macbeth: ty
arabella Ella: wb Ags
Archmage Atlantis: The news today said women mangers earn less'
Wol Euler: I guess they don't make hay?
Darren Islar: I'm afraid that is not news
Agatha Macbeth: Away in a manger
arabella Ella: less than who or what?
Wol Euler: as far as I know, women earn less than men at the same level of every profession
Archmage Atlantis: Then it said, if they have children, they never make up the difference
Wol Euler nods.
Archmage Atlantis: I know as an openly gay man, the women held me down in promotions
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like fun Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: They played to the closeted guys
arabella Ella: why do you think they did that Arch?
--BELL--
Darren Islar: well I'm a woman and gay :)
Archmage Atlantis: What is equatity, fraternity, and freedom?
Agatha Macbeth: Something to do with the French Revolution?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Aggie, the French did it first
Agatha Macbeth: Bless 'em
arabella Ella: will the US follow you think?
arabella Ella: and is that really the case in France ... I doubt it
Archmage Atlantis: Yet the Brits found a way through the muidle/muddle......
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, we formed a committee...
arabella Ella: a quango?
Archmage Atlantis: Right
Archmage Atlantis: the committee that never decides
Agatha Macbeth: That's the one
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing much changes actually
Archmage Atlantis: True
Archmage Atlantis: Still, tiny bits do change
Archmage Atlantis: And they add up
Agatha Macbeth nods
Archmage Atlantis: That is why everyone can have a gun in the US
Agatha Macbeth waves to Mick
Wol Euler: helo mick
Archmage Atlantis: If all have them
Mickorod Renard: hellow my dears
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
Archmage Atlantis: All can use them
arabella Ella: over 18?
Archmage Atlantis: over 9
Darren Islar: hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: is that a good thing Arch?
Agatha Macbeth: Uh oh
Wol Euler snorts
arabella Ella: oh no Yaku is starting WW3
Agatha Macbeth: With bananas
Darren Islar: bananas :))
Wol Euler: banana launcher?
Yakuzza Lethecus: anyone still needs a launcher ?
Agatha Macbeth: 'Loving you has made me bananas'
arabella Ella: i hate bananas :(
Darren Islar: no thanks Yaku :)
Agatha Macbeth: You already gave me one yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you can shoot em :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: banana's and lemmings :)
Darren Islar: more bananas then avatars........
Agatha Macbeth: Riiiiight...
Wol Euler: this must be friday.
Agatha Macbeth: Truly
Darren Islar: you must feel better :)
arabella Ella: why cant we be peaceful here?
Agatha Macbeth: Let's have a lie-in
Darren Islar: a what?
arabella Ella: a lie in would be lovely ... better than guns
Agatha Macbeth: John and Yoko?
arabella Ella: great idea
Darren Islar: ah
arabella Ella: lie in bed
Agatha Macbeth: In Amsterdam, was it not?
Darren Islar: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Those were the days
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: that must havebeen what all them ladies were asking me to do when I went there last,,I thought they were prostitutes
Agatha Macbeth: They probably were Mick
Darren Islar: found a Sgt. Peppers jacket
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: oooooh
Agatha Macbeth: Darren Islar's Lonely Hearts Club band
Wol Euler: you need nickel-plated round glasses and a dubiously thick cigarette
Agatha Macbeth: And a Scouse accent
Darren Islar: hmmmm, don't hope so actually :)
Wol Euler: yae
arabella Ella: LOL
Darren Islar: hmmmmmm, sorry don't have those I'm afraid :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just as well maybe
arabella Ella: and a thick fringe
Darren Islar: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Mickorod Renard: do you mean a bushy fringe?
Agatha Macbeth: Lunatic fringe?
arabella Ella: both
Agatha Macbeth: Either
Darren Islar: it is never enough for you guys and girls isn't it ;)
Agatha Macbeth: No, never ;-)
Darren Islar: good :)
Darren Islar: .
Agatha Macbeth: But that's how we like it!
Mickorod Renard: what are we dicussing bye the way?
Agatha Macbeth: Good question
Darren Islar: fringes?
Wol Euler: hard to say, mick.
Darren Islar: I lost the topic since we started :)
Wol Euler: I think it was the typical Friday free-for-all
arabella Ella: conscientious objectors?
Mickorod Renard: I must try to not come out with radical statements tonite
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Wol Euler: oh please do
Arabella attempts to bring us to seriousness, despite it being a Friday.
arabella Ella: does anyone here have a conscience?
Darren Islar: :) Mick
Agatha Macbeth has Jiminy Cricket
Wol Euler checks her pockets.
Mickorod Renard: I have a terible one,,even if I havnt done anything wrong
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am going to sneak out
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
Wol Euler: bye yaku, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Sneaky Yaku
Mickorod Renard: bye yaku
Mickorod Renard: wasnt arch here?
arabella Ella: crashed?
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't see him go
Darren Islar: going too
Mickorod Renard: bye darren
Wol Euler: bye darren, enjoy the weekend
arabella Ella: good night Darren
Darren Islar: see you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Daz
Agatha Macbeth: Don't smoke too much pot
Mickorod Renard: I wonder how important life is
Wol Euler: what was behind your question, ara?
arabella Ella: i read some stuff on internet recently about conscience
arabella Ella: and it made me wonder a lot
Mickorod Renard: yes?
arabella Ella: is it conditioning
arabella Ella: is it self made
arabella Ella: how universal is it if it exists at all
arabella Ella: that sort of questions
Wol Euler nods thoughtfully
Mickorod Renard: you could question the whole essence of anything and everything in the same way
arabella Ella: each individual is meant to have some sort of 'internal' measure of what is good and what is bad
arabella Ella: some people call that a conscience
arabella Ella: and it guides our actions and judgement
Agatha Macbeth: Which varies between individuals presumably?
arabella Ella nods
Mickorod Renard: and their cultueres too
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Mickorod Renard: and epoche in time that they exist
--BELL--
arabella Ella: but why should something be good today which was bad yesterday or good in one culture and bad in another ... is that right?
arabella Ella: oooops .... shhhhhh
Mickorod Renard: I sometimes question the value of life...some warrior races find death honourable and war as reason to be
Mickorod Renard: oops
arabella Ella: isnt that simply living on the edge Mick? getting adrenaline rushes for different things?
Agatha Macbeth: It's like saying what's right and what's wrong: everyone has different values
Mickorod Renard: one blast of exquisite joy would be sufficient to someone,,
Wol Euler: we share most of our values, though, and they do not change much.
Wol Euler: it is universally thought to be a bad idea to punch strangers in the nose at random
arabella Ella: i dont think everyone has different values
Wol Euler: but some cultures approve of boxing matches
Agatha Macbeth: Or bullfighting
Wol Euler: right
Mickorod Renard: there is something beautiful and exciting when all of a sudden you are on the edge
Wol Euler nods to Mick
Mickorod Renard: I can taste the addiction to risk
arabella Ella: but those who decide to go further dont afford much value to life Mick do they?
Mickorod Renard: well,,i ponder this often
Wol Euler: perhaps they do, ara.
Wol Euler: just a different definition to yours
arabella Ella: life to me is very valuable ...
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it comes down to the responsibility we owe to others
Wol Euler: tehy see the value of life in enjoyment and excitement, not in its length
arabella Ella: or that we owe ourselves
Mickorod Renard: as i am getting older I am becoming concerned that I will find life boring without something to spice it up
Wol Euler: interesting.
Agatha Macbeth: Which is why you went to Amsterdam? :p
Wol Euler: heh
arabella Ella: LOL
Agatha Macbeth: Naughty Mick
Mickorod Renard: I went to amsterdam as an errand of mercy
Agatha Macbeth: Oh?
arabella Ella: and what did the ladies there want of you Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I thin they had some problem indoors, as they kept grabbing my jacket and dragging me in
arabella Ella giggles
Agatha Macbeth: How many times did they do it then?
arabella Ella: maybe their plumbing needed fixing poor dears
Mickorod Renard: every doorway,,very odd,,but friendly bunch there,,not like your typical Brit woman
Mickorod Renard: seemed totally oblivious to the cold too,,as they didnt wear much even tho it was winter
arabella Ella: brb
Mick suddenly turns serious.
Mickorod Renard: but i think we have become too domesticated now
Mickorod Renard: and this is the issue with Ara's question
Wol Euler listens.
Mickorod Renard: I used to get kids together to play as savages around campfires,,dancing around with sticks
arabella Ella: back
Agatha Macbeth: Kids do that well
Wol Euler: wb
Mickorod Renard: there was nothing more fun
Mickorod Renard: it is etched into their makeup
Agatha Macbeth checks her own makeup
arabella Ella: yes we used to pretend stones were potatoes and play at being shopkeepers
Mickorod Renard: and this is true of adults too,,if given the freedom from judgement
arabella Ella: and we used to build palaces with small stones too
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you didn't eat them too
--BELL--
arabella Ella: some did
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
arabella Ella: (lack of calcium we were told ... eat stone)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I find drinking milk easier
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: but i think we will loose our humanity if we become too domesticated
arabella Ella: those were not easy days ... a paycheck had to be really stretched to feed a family
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Ara
Wol Euler: you think we need a touch of raw brutality to be fully human?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Wol Euler: okay
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno what I am then ;-)
arabella Ella: or more contact with nature perhaps
Wol Euler: well, that's why I asked
Wol Euler: is going outside to smell a flower enough?
Agatha Macbeth: Blueberries
Wol Euler: lions :)
Mickorod Renard: i doubt it
arabella Ella does not like brutality at all
arabella Ella: or violence for that matter
Mickorod Renard: are we pretending to be civilized when we do things like meditate,,and drink tea
Agatha Macbeth: There seems to be enough of it about
Wol Euler: those who are pretending, are pretending, yes.
Wol Euler: those who aren't, aren't.
arabella Ella likes Wol's response
Wol Euler: I don't know how else to answer that :)
Wol Euler: it's not either/or
Mickorod Renard: but is there a real inner self that is diferent to what you and I are controling
Wol Euler: perhaps it's the bit that sees that you are controlling?
Wol Euler: in other words, I think that there is, yes.
Wol Euler: and that it is usually drowned out by the surface-layer monkey brain and its toys
Agatha Macbeth: The Naked Ape
Mickorod Renard: so what would that inner self do if the control was no longer required?
Wol Euler: depends on the person in question.
Wol Euler: barely restrained psychopaths would go mad and kill twenty people in a school
Wol Euler: those who alwas wanted to be an artist would tell their bosses to fuck off and stay home to paint
Agatha Macbeth: Good idea :)
Mickorod Renard: I like that one
arabella Ella smiles too
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: closeted homosexuals would go out and kiss a right gendered person, for the first time
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler: in other words: it depends.
Mickorod Renard: and one could take ones clothes off and dance around a fire free of judgemnt
Wol Euler: sure
Agatha Macbeth: Like witches do
Wol Euler: people do that on a temporary basis via alcohol and other drugs
arabella Ella: or visit a german beach Mick if you wish to do something similar
Agatha Macbeth: Or Amsterdam
Mickorod Renard: too cold
Wol Euler: or at formally-sanctioned occasions like weddings or football finals
Mickorod Renard: but,,this is the thing,,where lies the natural average real person?
Wol Euler: there is no such ting.
arabella Ella: is there one?
Wol Euler: well, wait. You can create an average of all of us, yes. But I wonder what it would tell you
Mickorod Renard: there is the typical conditioned person,,with all the pretenses
Wol Euler: that we have 9.1 fingers?
Wol Euler shuts up and listens.
arabella Ella: would a person with 'pretences' admit to aving 'pretences' i wonder?
Agatha Macbeth: (!)
Mickorod Renard: they would call it something else
arabella Ella: what we consider as a person with pretences is simply some one brought up (conditioned) to behave that way ... though no fault of their own
Mickorod Renard: like self dignity
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it depends on the nature of the pretences
Mickorod Renard: or manners
arabella Ella: may i give one example?
Wol Euler: please
Mickorod Renard: ok
arabella Ella: where i come from if a local speaks english they are said to be putting on pretences
arabella Ella: yet
arabella Ella: if one is brought up and educated speaking english ... what else is possible for them
arabella Ella: can they help it
arabella Ella: do they do it as a 'pretence'
arabella Ella: and i think that applies for all perceived pretences
Mickorod Renard: i would think they do it out of convenience or practicality
Mickorod Renard: especially here
Agatha Macbeth: What is perceived as a pretence might not be so in fact you mean?
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella nods
Wol Euler: yes, that is a value judgement on the part of the observer
Agatha Macbeth: True
arabella Ella: even in england you have different accents and different regional accents ... are they not the way the person was raised
Mickorod Renard: but i think I look for pretenses,,so I clasify more as pretenses
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Oh definitely!
arabella Ella: compare someone with a Geordie accent to someone educated at Cambridge for example ... who is to blame ... no one
Agatha Macbeth: An accident of birth
arabella Ella: exactly
arabella Ella: or circumstances
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Mickorod Renard: but there is the other extreme,,like for example the dubbed laughter on comedy tv
Wol Euler: a cambridge accent is not pretense in somebody who lives in that environment IMHO
Agatha Macbeth: Don't follow Mick
arabella Ella: exacty Wol that is my point
Mickorod Renard: I would identify certain things as circumstancial to events
Mickorod Renard: but other things as ways to pervert rational thought
Agatha Macbeth: Well 'canned laughter' is certainly a pretence :p
Mickorod Renard: but observing it is an easy and ready way to percieve the background conditioning that goes on
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
arabella Ella: but background conditioning is something that was is and always will be there
Mickorod Renard: and as we do here, through practice,,is break the mould from average daily thought
Agatha Macbeth: Or try to :p
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Mickorod Renard: doesnt the world seem diferent now we have been on Pab for so long?
arabella Ella: does it for you mick?
arabella Ella: and how?
Agatha Macbeth: I'd have to think about that :)
Mickorod Renard: providing i havnt slipped back into anasthesia yes
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that the Tzar's daughter?
Mickorod Renard: he he he
arabella Ella: yes a romanov
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: when I was younger, I was described as being like rasputin
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Physically or emotionally?
Mickorod Renard: maybe both
arabella Ella: was that a complement or an offense?
Agatha Macbeth: Oops
Wol Euler: yeah
Mickorod Renard: depends who was making the observation
Mickorod Renard: even my mum used to call me rasputin
Agatha Macbeth: Rasputin Renard :)
Mickorod Renard: I dont have the long bedraggled hair now
arabella Ella: well he was real had to dispose of wasnt he
Agatha Macbeth: You should have called yourself that in SL
arabella Ella: you could always create a new avi mick
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Rasputin the alt
Mickorod Renard: I wouldnt want to be pretencious
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: :D
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Wol Euler: pretentious is related to (lack of) integrity
arabella Ella loves to watch Wol's eyebrow raising
Wol Euler: if you set out to *be* Rasputin, it would not be pretentious
Mickorod Renard: I like that description Wol
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: so it's about honesty
Mickorod Renard: yes, and how many of us delve into our inner honesty,,and if we did what would we find,,and would we be able to change?
Mickorod Renard: would we want to change?
Wol Euler: well we certainly can't change without delving.
Agatha Macbeth: A good delve never hurts
Wol Euler: Mick, you keep asking questions that imply that life must be either/or :)
Mickorod Renard: I guess that depends on our conciousness?
Agatha Macbeth: Either/or what tho?
Wol Euler: anything :) whatever.
arabella Ella: or conscience?
Mickorod Renard: yes Ara
Wol Euler: either good (no need to change) or bad (need to change)
Mickorod Renard: so we do the full circle
arabella Ella: but Mick how do you reconcile your 'Rasputin' self with your honest self with a conscience?
arabella Ella: (an example of both / and)
Mickorod Renard: but I wonder how many people delve,,and if they do is it for unscupulous reasons or that of cleansing
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: I probably do it too much actually
Mickorod Renard: thats a danger i feel in myself Ags
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: But then I am a Scorpio :))
Mickorod Renard: better watch your tail
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
arabella Ella: birthday coming up soon then ags
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, end of month
arabella Ella: ah ... a halooween birthday girl
Agatha Macbeth: Just before actually, 29th
Mickorod Renard: are we going to hit a club for your birthday?
Agatha Macbeth: Hit it with what?
Wol Euler: yeah!
Mickorod Renard: yeaaaaa
Agatha Macbeth: Why not?
Mickorod Renard: hope i am here on the day
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Why, where else will you be?
Mickorod Renard: oooooh,,well, I could be anywhere
Wol Euler: oh, I'll be in Japan :(
arabella Ella: Hiya Ewan!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, so
arabella Ella: you will?
arabella Ella: really?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Wol Euler: but I will try to come inworld to meet you if you'll let me know where and when
Wol Euler: yep
arabella Ella: cool
Wol Euler: hello ewan
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ewan
Agatha Macbeth: Eating sushi
Wol Euler: for breakfast
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
Ewan Bonham: Hi...just thought i would say hello for a few...:)
arabella Ella: is it true that there are 30 million people in Tokyo?
Wol Euler googles.
Mickorod Renard: how many are you saying hello for ewan?
arabella Ella cant google with my new viewer :(
Agatha Macbeth: They'll just about be waking up now I think
Ewan Bonham: hi Mick
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: 13 milion (it says here)
arabella Ella: ah ok
Agatha Macbeth: More than a lot of countries
arabella Ella: a japanese guy told me that this morning but 13 and 30 ... lost in translation
Mickorod Renard: a slip of the tongue
arabella Ella: and i actually stuck out my fingers, one with three fingers, the other hand forming a zero
Mickorod Renard: that is a very rude gesture to a japanese person ara
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he didn't think it meant something rude :-0
Ewan Bonham: Are those the symbols used in Japanese?
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
arabella Ella giggles
Mickorod Renard: I darnt say on this public wiki what it means
arabella Ella hopes not
Agatha Macbeth: That culture thing again folks
arabella Ella: please dont embarass me here Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler listens to the sound of tinkling bells.
Agatha Macbeth: Santa?
Wol Euler: legpull
Mickorod Renard: they are proberbly sending warships to malta now
Agatha Macbeth: Or Eliza?
Agatha Macbeth: I haven't heard Liz's bells for ages now I think of it
arabella Ella: well people on warships make good tourists when they visit for R & R as they often do
Mickorod Renard: thats true
Mickorod Renard: I may need to change my avi,,i actually mistook myself for Yaku the other day
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Say WHAT???
Agatha Macbeth: Grow some hair Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Like rasputin
Wol Euler: put on a different shirt
Wol Euler: you need a makeover.
Mickorod Renard: I had some,,but a certain lady avi made me shave it off
Agatha Macbeth: Become a black guy
Wol Euler: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Or a woman :)
Wol Euler: in a white suit
Wol Euler: that would be different
Agatha Macbeth: For him it would
Wol Euler: that's what I meant :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Mickorod Renard: I dunno,,I am sure my male hormones are dying out anyway
Wol Euler grins.
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: thankyou 15 minute bell
Agatha Macbeth: Or Tinker as I call it
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: is there some other class on the go at the moment,,I am sure eliza was on
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, I see her as offline
Wol Euler: yes, she just left
Wol Euler: she was here to meet Lucinda
Wol Euler: who also just left
Agatha Macbeth waves to Liz and Luci
Mickorod Renard: ahh
Wol Euler: ah, there's a new Bryn Oh piece opening on November 1
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: third and sadly last installment of the Rabbicon story
Mickorod Renard: whats this then?
Wol Euler: SL art
Wol Euler: very poetic, poignant
Wol Euler: moving, even :)
Wol Euler: I've come to love and treasure the little rabbicon over the years.
Agatha Macbeth: Bit like the Velveteen Rabbit?
Wol Euler: her pieces are very sad -- very much like that, actually, though totally different :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler: the sense of hopeless desire and enduring love is the same
Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm
--BELL--
Wol Euler: the us-against-the-world-ness of it all
Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm all for that
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: looks great
Mickorod Renard: I willsave it for later
Wol Euler: it's funny how strongly affective sculptural art can be in SL
Wol Euler: that might be taken as a proof of immersion, of our being embodied in SL, that we can see pixels as volumetric sculpture and be moved by them
Agatha Macbeth: Pixels certainly move me :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: I have it in my brouser now,,its got me intrigued
Wol Euler: good :)
Wol Euler: I love her work.
Agatha Macbeth watches Mick being intrigued
Mickorod Renard: I am a sensitive sort,,it wont get me in tears will it?
Wol Euler: I do hope so, mick.
Agatha Macbeth: You were Rasputin half an hour ago!
Wol Euler: it does me.
Mickorod Renard: eeek,,it will me then
arabella Ella: bye everyone good night!
Agatha Macbeth: A sensitive rasputin eh? Whatever next....
Mickorod Renard: I was rasputin about 35 years ago
Ewan Bonham: Bye for now, folks..
Agatha Macbeth: Night Ara, sweet dreams
Mickorod Renard: byr Ara and Ewan
Wol Euler: bye ara, bye ewan
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Ewan
Wol Euler: enjoy the weekend
Agatha Macbeth: Esan sounds good
Mickorod Renard: I need to go too,,thanks for tonite
Mickorod Renard: sleep well
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ras...er, Mick
Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: x x
Wol Euler: yy
Agatha Macbeth: zz
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Top
Agatha Macbeth does the wave
Wol Euler: airguitars and glued-on beards
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Where are they now?
Wol Euler: probably still rocking out in some redneck bar
Agatha Macbeth: With Lynyrd Skynyrd
Wol Euler: Free bird!
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Did they do *anything* else?
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: That's the only one of theirs i ever seem to hear
Wol Euler: probably, but who would know?
Agatha Macbeth: I like the guitar solo that goes on for about an hour at then end
Wol Euler: sure :)
Wol Euler: that's what keeeps it alive after all these decades
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Well it didn't keep Ronnie van Zant alive unfortunately
Agatha Macbeth: Funny how whatever your viewer is set to, it always gets dusk here round about this time
Wol Euler: one of these RL days I should spend a whole day in SL and see how many dawns there are
Agatha Macbeth: But the odd thing is, it's 3.30 in the afternoon local time!
Wol Euler: right, but there are three or four SL sunrises to each RL day
Wol Euler: the SL day is either 6 or 8 hurs long
Agatha Macbeth: No wonder I always press Ctrl Shift Y
Wol Euler: so logically speaking I'd only have to spend 6 hrs plus a few minutes to be certain of the answer :)
Agatha Macbeth: But will you?
Wol Euler: one of these days, certainly. I've spent that many hours here before on many occasinos
Wol Euler: maybe not tomorrow
Wol Euler: but I will
Agatha Macbeth: Nine hours me, the other Sunday
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: How sad eh
Wol Euler: no!
Agatha Macbeth: No wonder the garden's always a mess
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, virtual enjoyment
Wol Euler: hire some kid from the neighbourhood
Wol Euler: support the local economy, have a clean garden, and be online.
Agatha Macbeth: No thanks, I don't want everything nicked
Agatha Macbeth: I just panned out and realised everyone else had gone
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: I do that a lot
Agatha Macbeth: ah dear
Agatha Macbeth: Work tomorrow?
Wol Euler: yes, but only briefly, a few hours in the afternoon
Agatha Macbeth: Not bad
Wol Euler: could be worse
Agatha Macbeth: Definitely
Wol Euler: it means I'll have sunday free, and that should be a good day weather-wise
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler: probably still spend the day indoors though :)
Agatha Macbeth: What's the temp like there?
Wol Euler: around 12 to 15 but sunday should be 22
Agatha Macbeth: Not bad for October
Agatha Macbeth: Hope it's ok here, need to cut the back lawn one more time
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Did you rebake just then?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: changing outfit slightly
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
Wol Euler: this set has a tailcoat option
Agatha Macbeth: Sweet
Agatha Macbeth looks round the back
Agatha Macbeth: I just noticed we're still recording...
Wol Euler: hehehe
Wol Euler: liza was right
Wol Euler: shall we turn it off?
Agatha Macbeth: Yaku will love us
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah
Wol Euler: he does anyway :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Wol Euler chuckles and reaches for the "off" switch
Wol Euler: wtf?
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
Wol Euler: wrong button, I guess. force of habit.
Agatha Macbeth: You can post it to him
Wol Euler: I'll mail it to him
Wol Euler: snap
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: x2
Wol Euler: it's a pity you aren't coming to the retreat
Agatha Macbeth: Well...
Wol Euler: I know. no pressure.
Agatha Macbeth: Not really my thing
Agatha Macbeth: Plus the expense, plus the hassle
Agatha Macbeth: I don't travel much at all any more
Wol Euler: do you miss it?
Agatha Macbeth: Not the hassle, no!
Wol Euler: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: Geting on this and off that...
Agatha Macbeth: And looking at the clock constantly
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear me no
Agatha Macbeth: I don't need all that
Agatha Macbeth: I'll just travel round SL instead :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Eden is about somewhere according to the radar
Wol Euler: not on my minimap
Wol Euler: must be pretty far away
Agatha Macbeth: She's off to the N
Agatha Macbeth: In the air apparently
Agatha Macbeth: Kira?
Wol Euler: oh, you'll be 400 in a week
Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
Wol Euler: she heard you :)
Agatha Macbeth: yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, gone?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe she was scouting the land in Baikun they're selling off
Wol Euler: could be
Agatha Macbeth: Just put FR on
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I listen to it all the time now
Wol Euler: I do at work too, sometimes
Wol Euler: it's often too noisy though, hard to concenrate
Agatha Macbeth: I love Beta's jingles
Wol Euler: heh, yes
Wol Euler: agatha, I'm going to have to go to bed, I'm too tired.
Agatha Macbeth: Ok
--BELL--
Wol Euler: take care, sleep well, and see you tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: See you at Fracture
Wol Euler: yep:)
Agatha Macbeth: BFN <3
Wol Euler: bfn <3
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It remains one of my favourite books, nearly fifty years after I first heard the story. I would not wish to meet somebody, of any age gender or class, who could read it without shedding at least one tear.