2010.10.06 07:00 - It takes no time to destroy something

The Guardian for this meeting was No Self. The comments are by No Self.

Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Arch.
Bruce Mowbray: and Koya.
Archmage Atlantis: Good morning, Bruce & Blub :)
Archmage Atlantis: Loosing my faster connection has really slowed SL down for me
Bruce Mowbray: How did you lose it, Arch?
Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
Bruce Mowbray: Oi, Alfred.
Alfred Kelberry: i hope you'll find it whatever you lost, archy :)
Archmage Atlantis: Fell asleep, woke up and knocked over laptop stand and shattered the U
Alfred Kelberry: bruce?! what happened?
Archmage Atlantis: USB connection
Alfred Kelberry: where did your ny shirt go?!
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Brucee
Archmage Atlantis: I mean, Hi, Alfred
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Gosh.
Archmage Atlantis: Slow neurons
Bruce Mowbray: I've changed it a few times, Al.
Alfred Kelberry: ok, just checking :)
Bruce Mowbray: I've found that several things influence my speed in SL --
Bruce Mowbray: using a computer with a faster graphics card, whether I'm using wi-fi (in town) or satellite (on the farm), etc.
Alfred Kelberry: IMs? :)
Bruce Mowbray: even the weater.
Bruce Mowbray: weather.
Alfred Kelberry: oh, must be nice on a farm
Bruce Mowbray: and how much coffee I've drunk that day.
Archmage Atlantis: Me too Bruce, but this was immediate change once the part was broken.....
Archmage Atlantis: I was an N, and the built-in is a G
Archmage Atlantis: *It
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, like taking a hammer to the thing. . . so, it would be a big expense to have it replaced, then?
Archmage Atlantis: Not in the past, no, about $60, but now every penny counts
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, I DO understand that. . . (!)
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning Visitor.
Alfred Kelberry: 60 to replace usb connector?
Alfred Kelberry: oi, Visitor
Archmage Atlantis: I forget the part name.....it's a USB wireless connection
Bruce Mowbray: I used to use one of this -- through Sprint -- caught the signals from cell phone towers. . .
Alfred Kelberry: ah, a wifi usb adapter?
Bruce Mowbray: and I really did like it - but it had limited gig quota per month -- too small, so I switched to satellite.
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that's it Alfred
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, limited... always a bummer
Archmage Atlantis: Supposedly Google is working on streaming 1000s of TV channels, so maybe they'll have something that helps

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Alfred Kelberry: *looks at bruce's shirt*
Archmage Atlantis: I thought the cost would be down for the N adapter by now.....probably can get an off brand for less
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, druth
druth Vlodovic: hi guys
Alfred Kelberry: funny triangle, bruce
Alfred Kelberry: oi, druth
Alfred Kelberry: um, a seal? :)
druth Vlodovic: big teeth?
Alfred Kelberry: i think you'll be comfy in the pond :)
druth Vlodovic: lol, supposed to be a walrus
Alfred Kelberry: goo goo a joo
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Druth and Bert.
Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody
Alfred Kelberry: oi, berty
druth Vlodovic: hi bert
Alfred Kelberry: here comes bealtes again
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Bruce Mowbray: @ AL -- I've been experimenting with various mandalas . . . making t-shirts of the ones I like best.
Alfred Kelberry: ah, home-made tshirt - nice :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, wait! I'm supposed to be on a kira team meeting
Alfred Kelberry: sorry folks
druth Vlodovic: bye alfred
Bertram Jacobus: np alfred ! :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I can make one for you - any of you - if you just give the the design, wording, and colors that you'd like.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Al!
Archmage Atlantis: Bye Alfie
Bruce Mowbray: free, of course).
Bertram Jacobus: nice idea bruce ! ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: you wanted to know something about the project which will happen perhaps here in germany , dealing with - how can i call it ? etics and age perhaps ? ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: yes, please say more, Bert.
Archmage Atlantis: How do you attach the mandala to the tee shirt, Bruce? My friend who does designs for tee shirts has to do them as a jacket layer.
Archmage Atlantis: etics? Bert....ethics, celtics?
druth Vlodovic: "ethics and age" what sort of project?
Bertram Jacobus: it looks like it will become more concret now - but still with a quite strong aspect of buddhism - i hope, that will become more open quickly ...
Bertram Jacobus: there shall be developed a kind of center for studies but / and also people who begin to settle down there around and build a community ...
Bertram Jacobus: ethics - sry arch ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Is this a center for older folks, Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: not specifically
Archmage Atlantis: Then it will be in RL, Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: yes arch

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Bertram Jacobus: but as we experience it now bruce, there is a lack for the late part of life so to say for people who are interested in - in german we call it "spirituality" and that does not necessarily mystics (!) ... - there is a search how to spend and handle that period of life. and older people already signalized that some of them would be ready to move to that region or even village ...
Bertram Jacobus: oops. sry
Archmage Atlantis: Then "age" is related to the community in what way?.....Ethics I can easily understand.
Bertram Jacobus: i mean the time of retirement for example ...
Archmage Atlantis: Ok that answered the question, Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: *Bert....did it again
Archmage Atlantis: One of my long term thoughts has been to create a community dedicated to intellectual and spiritual though here
druth Vlodovic: it's a good time of life for it I guess, not much to do but think
Archmage Atlantis: With maybe an artists and sustainable farm and energy component
Archmage Atlantis: Just not sure how to get going
Bertram Jacobus: i think, that would be fitting to the idea i have too arch - and may be we will be able to install such a place here at us in germany now - would be great
Archmage Atlantis: Good point, druth.......maybe that is why humans are designed the way we are, or evolved this way
Archmage Atlantis: With a grandparent component so to speak
Bertram Jacobus: many hope so i think. and a big advantage we may have is that we have a reliable leader - who does not want to be a lonely ruling chief ...
Archmage Atlantis: That is very good start, Bert
Bertram Jacobus: yes. that helps a lot. he inspires and attracts people - really helpful, even essential may be, especially in a beginning
Archmage Atlantis: agree
Archmage Atlantis: There was an article in the news yesterday about a similar community that has been started in South America by a group, mostly from the US
Archmage Atlantis: All self contained.....solar and hydo power produced only by the community
Archmage Atlantis: The live in tree houses "chuck;e"
Archmage Atlantis: *chuckle
Bruce Mowbray: So then. if I understand, Bert is saying that a community will be established in Germany -- one that already has an inspiring leader, will have openings for older folks, and with be centered on ethics and spiritual work, andis ecologically sustainable...
Bertram Jacobus: yes. that's right bruce. we try to build such a thing ...
Bruce Mowbray: sounds great -- I'll begin studying German at once.
Archmage Atlantis: ")
Bruce Mowbray: /low
Bruce Mowbray: [oops -- sry]
Bertram Jacobus: and I'm, still searching for a fitting term : when i say in german "spiritually" - it's not a problem, at least when i explain : that means being interested in ethics, non material values , even in religion may be - may variations . how could one express such in english words or even in one ? is there something ? what is it, what brings us together here ? how could i describe, name that ? (!)
Bruce Mowbray: "a longing for community," perhaps?

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Archmage Atlantis: A spiritual community.......I understand there is no word for "spirit" in German, only body and mind......is that correct?
Bertram Jacobus: ah - i have an idea : perhaps i could simply say : friendliness ? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: yes. in a way arch. a bit different : the word for mind and spirit is the same (!) : geist ...
Archmage Atlantis: Oh yes, I remember now.....and is there a distinction in pronunciation, or usage, to clarify which usage is meant
Bertram Jacobus: not so intense : mostly it's the context which must make that clear
Bertram Jacobus: and i have a nice idea ... may be i will be able to tell the participants of the upcoming retreat about the project. it's even not very far from there and i will go there afterwards for one or two days (!) ... ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: Great idea, Bert.
Archmage Atlantis: friendliness would not convey the distinction in English......I am friendly with the cashier at the store....but don't carry that past a pleasant greeting
Bruce Mowbray: Folks could get a feet-on-the-ground feel for the idea and the place.
Archmage Atlantis: I like that idea also Bert
Bruce Mowbray knows no German but wonders about "mensch-geist"
Bertram Jacobus: but when we look at theat very sharp arch : isn't that so, that at that special moment you are friendly and then not anymore ? and isnt' so friendly ness the thing which connects us all ? ...
Bertram Jacobus: mensch - geist would be perhaps human - mind or human - spirit (?) ...
Bertram Jacobus: from where do you take that expression bruce plz ?
Bertram Jacobus: where did you get it from ?
Bruce Mowbray: I just made it up -- using the only two words I "inow" in German.!
Bruce Mowbray: know*
Bertram Jacobus: ah yes okay ! :-)
Archmage Atlantis: A vital community of character
Bruce Mowbray: In English we have words like "brotherhood" "fraternity" "commaradery" "group spirit". . . . [even "empathy"]
Bertram Jacobus: that's all existing in german too : bruderschaft, brüderlichkeit, kameradschaft, gruppengeist ;-)
Bruce Mowbray loves "gruppengeist"!
Bertram Jacobus: :-))
Archmage Atlantis: Eine vitale Gemeinde mit Charakter
Bertram Jacobus: ja ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: very nice - let's hope we can develop that ! ...
Bertram Jacobus: without clinging on it :-)

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Archmage Atlantis: It translates back into english (using google translate) as - A vibrant community with character
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. yes. was and is perfect german and above that a really nice expression :-)
Archmage Atlantis: Anyway, good translation of ideas is an art form in itself - especially in shorter expression
Archmage Atlantis: Well, maybe it will generate some ideas then :)
Bertram Jacobus: oh yes. and chat helps very much with that i find - especially the shortening - sometimes astonishing what is possible that way ! never knew that before ...
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Bertram Jacobus: and for sure that will be a process, as everything ...
Archmage Atlantis: Yes. it's easy to forget how long creation takes, and how quickly destruction can be done
Archmage Atlantis: Anyway, time for morning chores :)
Bertram Jacobus: "absolutely" ! *agree*
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Arch and Bert.
Bertram Jacobus: but i should leave for a group foto of a sl group - they are calling intensly ... ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: Later, Bert....See ya Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Bye
Bruce Mowbray: May you both have a geist-filled day.
Bruce Mowbray: I shall also be going, Bert.
Bertram Jacobus: fits ! bye bruce - you want to see the group ? for afoto arch ? but they are german ... lol :o)
Bruce Mowbray: Be well and happy. and I'll hope to see you later.
Bertram Jacobus: ah - i read it wrongly - bye bruce lol - you wanna see them ? :o)
Bruce Mowbray: Do I want to see the group, Bert?
Bruce Mowbray: sure!
Bertram Jacobus: i don't know - it's quite profane i think ... *warning* :o)
Bruce Mowbray: That's all right!