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2010.10.18 07:00 - Punctures in the Spiritual Ether
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No headersThe Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku. Attending were Bruce, Eliza, Zen, Aphrodite, Yakuzza, Alfred, Bleu, Archmage and an anonymous visitor. Then a newcomer: Robbin. Josh, also a newcomer, unfortunately came as the last ones were leaving.
Bleu's resplendent beauty
Ways to welcome newcomers
Eden Haiku: Hello Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: You walked in very quietly, I didn't hear a thing :))
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza and Eden.
Eden Haiku: Hello Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: I should put my bells back on :)) Hi Eden and Bruce
Eden Haiku: Oh yes, your bells :) That was niiiice!
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eden Haiku: So, we might be looking for a name?
Bruce Mowbray: seems so, Eden.
Eden Haiku: For the possible new welcoming group?
Eliza Madrigal: It seems a really good idea to me, to have an open group for people to join...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: So I was thinking of the 'tag' not the name of the group... Our SL group is 'playasbeinghere'
Eden Haiku: Yes, I think it would be a nice idea too.
Bruce Mowbray: This sudden action was taken because of a fellow showing up at the guardian meeting yesterday -- and wanting to "join the group."
Eliza Madrigal: so why not just 'playasbeing'
Eden Haiku: Yes, I read the log Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: It was awkward and difficult...
Eliza Madrigal: also because I continually was trying to IM him and he wasn't responding, etc
Bruce Mowbray thinks "playasbeing" would be an option -- although there are many already in a group by that name (I think, anyway).
Eden Haiku: I'm not even sure what the "tag" is...
Eliza Madrigal: the label over our heads
Bruce Mowbray: Yes -- he was not responding to my IM's either, Eliza, -- but I later learned that was because he didn't know how to do that.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thank you for following up with him Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: So - I invited him to go with me out by the fountain (here) - and we chatted (Storm was observing us, btw). . .
Eliza Madrigal: observing?
Bruce Mowbray: and I TP'd him to another sim where I taught him a few more things about the viewer that he's using (V2). . .
Bruce Mowbray: He then showed up again at the 1 p.m. session here.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's good
Eliza Madrigal: so he was able to participate in a regular session
Bruce Mowbray: Storm told me in IM that he was watching with his camera - even though his avi was at the guardian's meeting -- said he wanted to thank me for taking Josh under my arm, as it were.
Eliza Madrigal: you have a wonderful way with people, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Josh attended this session yesterday evening (London time -- (9:00 p.m.)
Eden Haiku: Can we use Josh name in this log Bruce? Did he already agreed bout recording?
Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm. . . . yes, Josh was given notecard and agreed to the wiki -- and said that he hoped to return here when he could.
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, he probably has one hundred note cards now...
Eden Haiku: hehe
Bruce Mowbray: The 1 p.m. session (Sunday afternoon - slt) will show Josh's chat. . . I can't recall who was guardian at that session, though.
A question about 'dropping' and "not doing' and 'predicting'
Eliza Madrigal: I have a sort of question about 'dropping' and 'not doing'...
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, usually maxine's session Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- listens for Eliza's question...
Eliza Madrigal: I was going over the difference between controlling and predicting....
Eden Haiku: Dropping, Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: It seems we have a functional necessity to 'predict' events or likelihoods, etc
Eliza Madrigal: but dropping goals and attachments and effort... well...
Eliza Madrigal: then where does 'prediction' fall into that
Bruce Mowbray has a personal response to Eliza's question . . . but waits for Eden and (I am PREDICTING -- Zen...)
Eden Haiku: Most people are predictable. Is that about others behaviors Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal smiles at predicting Zen... and sometimes it is Eden
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal grins widely
Zen Arado: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Eden Haiku: smiles at Zen in silence :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Zen.
Eden Haiku: hey hey!
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm... I guess you predicted Zen, but didn't control him....
Zen Arado: sorry I crashed your silence
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: so I'm just a prediction not a real person :(
Eliza Madrigal pinches Zen to see if he's real...
Eden Haiku: We did that on our own Zen. I'm always predictably polite :) Eliza has been wondering about dropping, not doing and prediction...
Bruce Mowbray: Please, Eliza, explain to Zen about our discussion regarding "dropping" etc.
Eliza Madrigal: Okay, let me paste:
Eliza Madrigal: [07:12] Eliza Madrigal: It seems we have a functional necessity to 'predict' events or likelihoods, etc [07:12] Eliza Madrigal: but dropping goals and attachments and effort... well... [07:13] Eliza Madrigal: then where does 'prediction' fall into that
Eliza Madrigal: (then Bruce predicted you)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: the future is unknowable but...we can predict from probabilities
Eliza Madrigal: isn't it our predictions that get us into trouble a lot though?
Eliza Madrigal: our expectations of our predicting abilities?
Zen Arado: for practical purposes that is
Zen Arado: depends how much weight you put on their veracity I guess
Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe that's a big part of it
Zen Arado: just a rough guide
Bruce Mowbray: But Eliza's concern - as I understood it - was the relationship between predicting and "dropping" - -
Eden Haiku: Just went in the kitchen to get a glass of water. It's a gorgeous day: the tree leaves are glowing orange and gold.
Bruce Mowbray: and how much of our predictions are actually clinging - - - (Maybe not the right word....)
Zen Arado: trying to concretize the future?
Zen Arado: make it a bit more certain?
Bruce Mowbray listens for responses from Eliza. . .
Feeling excluded from the discussion, I decided to speak up
Eden Haiku: I'm feeling a lot of discomfort at PaB lately. I woke up early and anxious about being here this morning :) That was a prediction...
Eliza Madrigal pictures Eden's glowing leaves....
Zen Arado: or less uncertain anyway?
Bruce Mowbray listens intently for more from all of you.
Eliza Madrigal: mm. yes I guess I see this distinction in myself, of predicting being part of boxing...
Eliza Madrigal: packaging an expectation of others...
Zen Arado: I am usually a bit anxious before my session too
Eliza Madrigal: Eden, do you know where that might be coming from?
Eden Haiku: Is it new for you too Zen? Feeling that way?
Zen Arado: oh no - I am just anxiety prone
Zen Arado: don't know why either
Zen Arado: Hi Aphro :)
Eden Haiku: I'm not sure Eliza: it's mostly connected to my feelings for sure. Feeling vulnerable.
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Aph!
Eden Haiku: Good morning Aphrodite.
Eliza Madrigal: I used to worry about the level of profundity of a session ... :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite :))
Aphrodite Macbain: Morning!
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds like an interesting discussion
Zen Arado: or level of silliness :)
Aphrodite Macbain: they are not mutually exclusive!
Zen Arado: profound silliness
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nice!
Zen Arado: like Nasruddin?
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Yakuzza :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Yaku.
Zen Arado: Hi Yaku :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Eden Haiku: Good morning Yakuzza.
Ever sensitive to everyone (and I admire her so for her people skills), Eliza stirs the conversation toward a subject she knows I love
Eliza Madrigal: Burning Man must be a neat event for you Eden... Isn't that how you first loved SL?
Eden Haiku: Yes Eliza., that's how I started loving Second Life.
Aphrodite Macbain: Zen and Eden, can you tell me why you are feeling anxious about PAB?
Eliza Madrigal thinking of the firey colors of Fall... glowing leaves and orange pumpkins...
Eden Haiku: Lots of dancing and singing and poetry events and art and lots of friendships with extravagant people.
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi alf :)
Zen Arado: Hi Alf :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alfred :)
Eden Haiku: Maybe because it's always shifting and changing and even though we dig "impermanence' we also like feeling comfy? Isn'it Alfred?
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Alfred.
Alfred Kelberry: *boxy pops in*
Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
Zen Arado: we like impermanence in controlled amounts :)
Alfred Kelberry: good to see you all :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: the feeling anxious about pab isn't a halloween related joke ?
Eliza Madrigal: Funny, Eden. I guess we have the same question in a way then...
Eden Haiku: I do :)))
Zen Arado: I just feel a little anxious about my guardian sessions
Zen Arado: just ego really I guess
Eden Haiku: Can you say more Eliza' (grinning)
Alfred Kelberry: zen, we're ok with gross impermanence, but not subtle :)
Zen Arado: good point Alf
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: nice to be back with the silly repartee
Talking about a movie
Alfred Kelberry: oh, bruce - i watched your film :)
Eden Haiku: That's ego for sure Zen...but hey, I live with my ego and I love feeling happy and free and comfortable.
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... I am sometimes comforted by what seems a predictive dream or someone who has been somewhere guiding me toward what to expect...
Alfred Kelberry: i really enjoyed it
Bruce Mowbray: A couple of days ago I used the phrase "holding the space with compassion" to try to explain my feelings about being guardian of a PaB session.
Aphrodite Macbain: tell me more!
Aphrodite Macbain: how can I see the film?
Alfred Kelberry: um... it's called lars and the real girl
Eliza Madrigal: :) Sweet film
Bruce Mowbray: was that the film about Lars and the real girl?
Alfred Kelberry: bruce recommended it the other day
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I liked it so much that I bought it!
Bruce Mowbray: but. . . . back to anxiety and sessions. . . (????) -- only if folks want to continue with that.
Alfred Kelberry: the lars character played so wonderfully
Bruce Mowbray: He was VERY VERY anxious, though.
Aphrodite Macbain: isn't anxiety and depression a part of life?
Aphrodite Macbain: not to be avoided but observed?
Eliza Madrigal: That film... it is funny how some people sort of tolerate his doll though they don't understand... because she helps to bring him 'back' in a way?
Bruce Mowbray: Are they parts of a life lived in awareness and presence? Are they part of what we "drop". . . ?
Aphrodite Macbain makes a mental note to check out the film
Eliza Madrigal: yes, in some sense they are 'material' and 'path'
Bruce Mowbray listens for more about "path" and "material."
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i think only close ones know that, the rest just do it cause they care about him
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Bleu.
Eden Haiku: Good morning Bleu :)
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes Alf, think you're right
Alfred Kelberry: and this kindness was a joy to watch
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu
Alfred Kelberry: like flowers and notes at the doorstep? lovely :)
Eliza Madrigal: we don't have to understand one another to support one another perhaps :)
Aphrodite Macbain: good point Eliza - it's not a mental thing
Aphrodite Macbain: necessarily
Bruce Mowbray: I hesitate to say more about the movie because others have not seen it yet, but it seemed to me like most of those in the film's community were behaving compassionately. . .
Alfred Kelberry: and yet we come to help even without knowing :)
Eliza Madrigal: Knowing without knowing? :)
"Basic goodness"
Bruce Mowbray: and that they also trusted Basic Goodness to find the main character through his suffering - and his delusions about the doll --- which he DID!
Eden Haiku: Alfred knows all :))
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps we all have a gene that predisposes us to helping others -balances the egotistical gene
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Alfred -- very well stated: "We come to help even without knowing."
Eden Haiku: People are narcissistic or they are not.
Zen Arado: if we just wouldn't separate ourselves in the first place
Aphrodite Macbain: or they're both
Alfred Kelberry: yes, bruce... compassion was on my mind as well
Bruce Mowbray doesn't think narcissism is either/or -- black/white -- issue.
Eden Haiku: Oh no, not both :) Either one or the other.
Alfred Kelberry: but you're right, we shouldn't spoil the joy for future viewers :)
Eden Haiku: You never met a true narcissist then :)
Bruce Mowbray: The worse I feel about myself - the more narcissistic I become.
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Eden Haiku: I know.
Eliza Madrigal: I look at this issue through the use of the word 'i'... one person uses it a lot because that's all they see... another because they are so polite they wouldn't speak for anyone else...
Bruce Mowbray: born of fear about acceptance, power, anxieties, inability to control, etc.
Zen Arado: yes Bruce - it goes both ways - we have to be the best or the worst
Bruce Mowbray: ?
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Zen Arado: isn't narcissm egoic?
Alfred Kelberry: politicians say we a lot, don't they?
Eliza Madrigal: it is being trapped in one's own reflection...
Eden Haiku: yes we can!
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, hehe
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: If I can "drop" my craving for approval and acceptance, then I can be less narcissistic. . .
Yakuzza Lethecus: si se puede!
Eliza Madrigal: It is a terrible affliction actually....
Eden Haiku: Yes, it is a disease.
Eliza Madrigal: true narcissism… if one has a glimpse of being in it, it is terrifying...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I think Eliza is referring to Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Alfred Kelberry: *waves to archy*
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
Eden Haiku: silence is greeting you Archmage of Atlantis:))
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch :)
Zen Arado: gets told off for generalizing very often by a friend
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Arch.
Bleu Oleander: hi Arch
Zen Arado: hi Arch :)
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i think it's a requirement on tv :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce is accurate re what I was refering to... a true narcissist 'cannot' take responsibility for anything
Eden Haiku: Know anything about "The Law of One" Arch?
Eden Haiku: That was the kind of narcissim I was talking about too :)
Archmage Atlantis: It sounds familiar Eden, but not sure
Eden Haiku: Gosh, I was hoping for your inspired lights...
Eliza Madrigal: more and more curious eden... so difficult to talk in general terms
Eden Haiku: About the fact that "we are all one" even with our most narcissictly impaired friends :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: There seem to be several possible definitions
Zen Arado: don't we all tend to tend to narcissm if we don't see through the ego delusion?
Zen Arado: isn't it a kind of self-centredness taken to an extreme?
Eden Haiku: I do not know much about the atlantean "Law of One" (in Cayce readings) but have this sound and deep impression of a united field of energy between all humans...
Archmage Atlantis: Odd, though.....I was just reading about rage, and narcissism was listed as one of the extreme examples
And more "basic goodness"
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Eden, but I would enlarge that grand Circle to include all beings.
Eden Haiku: oh, really, rage and narcisssim... interesting...
Eliza Madrigal: there is a 'centralizing into oneself' that is part of the normal pendulum perhaps...
Bruce Mowbray: and I would call it "Basic Goodness"
Zen Arado: yes Eden and Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: spiritual ether? :)
Eden Haiku: A spiritual ether! How beautiful Alfred!
Eliza Madrigal: we're speaking on various levels this morning.... psychological conditions are temporary
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: nice expression
Archmage Atlantis: That is two very different ideas of "the one".....the self, the self expanded
Eden Haiku: One with all sentient beings.
Bruce Mowbray: It is beyond "thought," of course, but nevertheless, I "think" of Basic Goodness as the substrate that underlies all experience and all Being.
Bruce Mowbray: This is from the Shambhala tradition, of course.
Zen Arado: I am toying with ideas of non-duality lately
Zen Arado: not toying - am deeply interested
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Breaking into a dance
Eden Haiku: onigokko
Bruce Mowbray: as someone said earlier, even the illusion of "duality" can be "material" and a "path."
Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, this is refreshing
Eliza Madrigal: morning onigokko
Eden Haiku: Hey Alfred is joining us!!!! [the bot was circling the fountain']
Bruce Mowbray: so much for having to do my morning exercises!!!
Eliza Madrigal: :) hahah...
Bruce Mowbray: stop
Eliza Madrigal: Need to make Bear an av, Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha ha!
Alfred Kelberry: refreshing, indeed :)
Eden Haiku: Feeling "one"...
Eliza Madrigal: I love this line that Eos gave a year ago "If the meditator is able to use whatever is in his life as path, his whole body becomes a retreat hut." Jingme Lingpa
Eden Haiku: Oh, how nice Eliza :)
Bruce Mowbray: That onigokko thing would scare Bear to death -- I'm predicting (an allusion to the beginning of this dialogue).
Zen Arado: nice
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, maybe the ultimate non-duality example is string theory. everything is one - a string :)
Eden Haiku: A retreat hut with trafic jams and heavy rains and everything!
Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
Eliza Madrigal: everything as material... throw it all in the soup
Eden Haiku: loves string theory
Eliza Madrigal: tears... yelling... laughing...
Bruce Mowbray likes the idea of string theory. . . but feels that Gasic Goodness refers to something deeper and even more inherent. [not correcting the typo for obvious reasons, read on]
Alfred Kelberry: *wants to try eliza's soup* :)
Eliza Madrigal sees string theory and then membrane theory as pointers...
Bruce Mowbray: Basic* not Gasic.
Zen Arado: thinks that's what I have 'Gasic Goodness'
Eliza Madrigal: :) Alf
Eliza Madrigal: haha Zen
Zen Arado: all talk :)
Alfred Kelberry: or basic boodness :)
Eden Haiku: Just deleted a line I wrote (so you know)...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: so curious about you today Eden :)
Eden Haiku: Basic botness is good!
Archmage Atlantis: Took that as Gastric *G*
Alfred Kelberry: eden, what line?
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha! For me, my Gaysicness is has a Basicness substrate -- that is Goodness Itself.
Eden Haiku: The line was basic not-goodness.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: There is a whole lot to build on here -- but, alas, the RL calls and I must be off.
Eden Haiku: Took a pic of Bleu during the pause.
Eliza Madrigal: funny, that's where our WoK session led to, when trying to discuss Goodness
Bruce Mowbray: May all be well and happy today.
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Be well and Happy Bruce :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Bruce.
Zen Arado: bye Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: good 'badness'
Eden Haiku: Your hair is so magnificent Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: yes every time Bleu's head turns it plays wonderfully
Eden Haiku: You look like the little girl in a movie in Venice, a Bertolucci one I think...
Bleu Oleander: ty Eden :)
Alfred finds the title for this log
Alfred Kelberry: eden, it'd like to keep the line. otherwise there's a puncture in spiritual ether :)
Archmage Atlantis: My connection is so slow since I dropped my laptop and broke my faster USB adaptor......anyway, good to see everyone.....Blessings and Namaste
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste Arch
Eden Haiku: Beauty is basic goodness to the world...[this 'basic' thing goes viral...]
Yakuzza Lethecus: namaste arch
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: and can't always be defined, Eden?
Eliza Madrigal: or predicted? :))
Eden Haiku: Namaste Arch
Eliza Madrigal: a 'beautiful' poem might be heartwrenching...
Eden Haiku: Ah, great way to fall back on your blades Eliza. Very elegant!
Eden Haiku: Something new happening all the time...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal is perhaps slow letting to of themes...
Eden Haiku: And sometimes it feels like spiritual ether. Sometimes like punctures in the ether...
Eliza Madrigal: form is none other than emptiness
Eden Haiku: No no, that's brilliant. I now see what you mean after all this conversation and onigokko. I get at least a glimpse at you meant at the beginning. With dropping, not doing, predicting...
Eliza Madrigal: the onigokko really helps :))
Zen Arado: is re-evaluating and deconstructing his spiritual life and ideas
Eliza Madrigal: setting everything out on the table fresh, Zen?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi *anonymous"
Eden Haiku: Zen buddhism is like cold tea. Emptiness talks always gives me goosebumps.
*Anonymous*: hello
Zen Arado: yes - been clinging to old idea too much
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello *anonymous*
Eliza Madrigal: Hi*anonymous*
Zen Arado: Hi *anonymous*
Eden Haiku: hello *anonymous*! have you been here before?
Aphrodite Macbain: Please take a cushion
Bleu Oleander: gtg .... see you all later :) take care everyone!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, good to see you
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: bye bye bleu
Zen Arado: do any of you call yourself a Buddhist?
Eliza Madrigal: I'd like to hear more about what you're sorting out Zen, seems an exciting time then
In deep space, all alone and silent
Alfred Kelberry: when i hear "emptyness", i imagine voyager in deep space... all alone and silent
Eliza Madrigal: :) void
Aphrodite Macbain: I'd like to think I was a Buddhist student
Zen Arado: I'm sure you will Eliza:)
Alfred Kelberry: one day we'll catch it, though, and put in a museum :)
Zen Arado: not one to keep things to myself ;)
Eden Haiku: Me too. First time I heard about "death" of someone I knew, I was about 8 years old and I saw myself in the vast void...
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Eliza Madrigal: thank Goodness, Zen
Eliza Madrigal: scary Eden?
Alfred Kelberry: eden, oh...
Eden Haiku: Not really scary, no. But silent and alone...
Zen Arado: but that's just a thought
Eden Haiku: Voyager will end up in a museum, yes, Alfred...
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs eden* :)
Zen Arado: a scary thought
Eliza Madrigal: When my meme died, I remember being at her bedside and pleading internally "oh, take me too"
Eden Haiku: hello Robbin.
Eliza Madrigal: void and 'abandonment' seem very closely linked
Robbin Roelofs: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Robbin :)
Zen Arado: Hi Robbin
Eden Haiku: love the fact that you called her "meme". Any Cajun ancestry Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no... French actually Eden "memere"
Eden Haiku: You loved her very much ...
Eliza Madrigal: though she was my great grandmother. Yes, she was Precious to me... still is in many ways :)
Eden Haiku: yes, we say that too...Endearing term...it connects me with my own "memere ... My great-grand-mother...
Aphrodite Macbain: I have to go. I can't quite focus on the discussion right now . I'm multi tasking too much
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, i think it's due to a vast distance image
Eliza Madrigal smiles... it is a lovely word
Eden Haiku: Bye Aphrodite,,,
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aph :)
Zen Arado: bye Aphro
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, think you're right Alfred
Alfred Kelberry: impermanent aph :)
Eliza Madrigal: vastness
--BELL--
A painter exits to eat his dinner, another painter steps in
Eden Haiku: Gave you a notecard about or group Robbin.
Robbin Roelofs: thanks eden
Zen Arado: I better go make my dinner - have to go to a zen videoconference tonight
Eden Haiku: We meet here 4 times a day, (different people).
Zen Arado: bye all
Eden Haiku: Enjoy your food dear (((Zen:)))
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now Zen :)
Eden Haiku: We stp
Eliza Madrigal: enjoy dinner
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen
Eden Haiku: We stop for a brief moment (90 seconds) every 15 minutes.
Robbin Roelofs: will we get a topic of the following discussion?
Eden Haiku: During which we "drop" everything and just watch our breath.
Eden Haiku: Well, topics just happen.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Robbin Roelofs: :-)
Eden Haiku: Unless we have theme sessions.
Eden Haiku: Which you can find on our Wiki.
Eden Haiku: The link is on the notecard.
Eliza Madrigal: What are your interests Robin?
Eden Haiku: What brought you here if I may ask?
Alfred Kelberry: not too many questions? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eden Haiku: maybe yes :))
Robbin Roelofs: it's been a long time i was in SL and i like discussions i clicked ''kira cafe''
Eden Haiku: Ah! that's great!
Alfred Kelberry: welcome back, rob :)
Robbin Roelofs: my english is not that good so it take a little while sometime to answer
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes PlayasBeing is under the Kira umbrella... lots of overlap between the two spots
Eliza Madrigal: similar types of investigations
Eden Haiku: Where are you from Robbin?
Robbin Roelofs: holland/the netherlands
Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
Eden Haiku: Ah! we have many people from the Netherlands in our circle!
Robbin Roelofs: ah great
Eden Haiku: Did you notice on the notecard that we record our sessions? Do you mind being recorded? If so, we could delete your name.
Robbin Roelofs: that's ok
Eden Haiku: Thank you.
Robbin Roelofs: but i didn't read it yet:-)
Alfred Kelberry: rob, do you find sl different from the last time you visited?
Robbin Roelofs: it's empty :-)
Eden Haiku: And welcome to Play as Being discussions and onigokkos...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eden Haiku: oh...
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Robbin Roelofs: i had a gallery here
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Alfred Kelberry: 50k concurrent users :)
Eliza Madrigal: A gallery? wonderful
Alfred Kelberry: yet it still feels empty :)
Robbin Roelofs: :-)
Alfred Kelberry: gallery?
Robbin Roelofs: yes paintings
Alfred Kelberry: ah, you paint?
Robbin Roelofs: yes
Eden Haiku: Oh, you are a painter?
Robbin Roelofs: yes
Alfred Kelberry: neat :)
Alfred Kelberry: we have an art gallery, as well :) well, digital one :)
Eden Haiku: Very nice! We also have Art projects in our group!
Eliza Madrigal: Now that you are back in SL think you may display again?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, very talented avatars here :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, that would be lovely
Robbin Roelofs: no i will not :-)
Alfred Kelberry: aww...
Alfred Kelberry: maybe later :)
Eden Haiku: We have been discussing "dropping" this morning :)
Robbin Roelofs: but i can give you one
Robbin Roelofs: a painting i mean
Robbin Roelofs: :-)
Alfred Kelberry: please, do :)
Robbin offers one of his paintings which I rezzed for all to see
Alfred posing pretty in front of Robbin"s painting
Eden Haiku: Dropping and not doing and predicting...
Alfred Kelberry: eden, oh, predicting... i missed that
Robbin Roelofs: i have to leave now, dinner overhere
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Robbin!
Alfred Kelberry: eden, can you rez it here?
Alfred Kelberry: bon appetite, rob
Robbin Roelofs: bye, bye
Eliza Madrigal: Hope to see you again Robbin, thanks!
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx robbin
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, and that's painted! Very nice... like the use of light
Eliza Madrigal: soft reflections
Alfred Kelberry: wow...
Eden Haiku: Right behind your back Alf. Ah hyperrealism, Thanks Robbin and good bye.....
Alfred Kelberry: amazing
Alfred Kelberry: yes, thank you, eden :)
Eliza Madrigal: I feel very comforted by being with you all this morning but have to get going...
Alfred Kelberry: really well done
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Eden. Am looking forward to hearing about the retreat Ya :) And hugs, Alfred :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eden
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza, everyone
Alfred Kelberry: ok, leggy girl. have a good day :)
Eliza Madrigal: Be Well everyone
Eden Haiku: Bye ((((Eliza)))
Eliza Madrigal: (((Eden))))
Eden Haiku: Oh yes, the retreat!
Yakuzza Lethecus: it was really, nice
Eden Haiku: See you soon Yaku!
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya soon eden, take care alf
Eden Haiku: Loved Wol report!
Eden Haiku: Hope you are posting yours too Yaku!
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, her's is great and i don't know if i can tell even more
Eden Haiku: Oh yes, your point of view is unique!
Yakuzza Lethecus: so many impressions and wol covered everything in her verbalicious words
Eden Haiku: Verbalicious words you too Yaku!
Eden Haiku: Just write it down the way it comes to you...
Just the two of us, and then Josh, as we are about to leave
Eden Haiku: So, it's just the two of us now little robot...
Alfred Kelberry: ok, took a pic :)
Alfred Kelberry: i'd like to see the rest of his works :)
Eden Haiku: yes, stay in front of it, will take another pic for the log!
Alfred Kelberry: hopefully he'll change his mind :)
Alfred Kelberry: sure :)
Alfred Kelberry: *looks pretty*
Eden Haiku: It does look pretty!
Eden Haiku: Yes, I like the hyperealism of it. Eliza was saying something about the light...
Alfred Kelberry: http://lmrk.me/lm/49
Alfred Kelberry: yes, light is beautiful
Eden Haiku: Saw Qt photo album recently. The way he uses light is AMAZING!
Alfred Kelberry: it's always a puzzle to me how a human being can paint like that :)
Eden Haiku: Too bad I didn't have a chance to let him know how much I enjoyed his pictures...
Alfred Kelberry: oh, qt is a painter too?
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, know the feeling. Feels that in front of Vermeers in museums...
Eden Haiku: No no, just photos. He took snapshots of his travels in China and Japan.
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i'd love to see them
Eden Haiku: I am very curious Alfred, where are you?
Alfred Kelberry: i take pictures myself :)
Eden Haiku: He posted the link on a log, a while ago...
Eden Haiku: Oh you do? Do you have online albums?
Alfred Kelberry: um... yes, a little album :)
Eden Haiku: Would you be kind enough to give us a link?
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: Alfred???
Supposing Alfred was sorting his links, I went downstairs to see my Dad and forgot about the fact I was still logged into Second Life. Back home, the pavilion birds brought me back to my computer just in time to catch up with Alfred
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: hey!
Alfred Kelberry: http://www.ipernity.com/home/huma
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eden Haiku: Still there ?
Eden Haiku: Ah great!
Alfred Kelberry: kind of :)
Eden Haiku: I have the link now:)
Eden Haiku: let me have a look...
Eden Haiku: Poetry of floppies and parking lots...I love it!
Alfred Kelberry: thank you :)
Eden Haiku: And shopping carts...
Eden Haiku: And rusted cars
Eden Haiku: Very wabi sabi photos :))
Eden Haiku: Oh and a moving plant growing in the cement,,,,
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's from 3 marks of existence
Eden Haiku: Oh... I moved away from your album?
Alfred Kelberry: um, no... wabi sabi, i mean :)
Eden Haiku: Pasta... yummy... Feeling the hunger pangs of lunch...
Alfred Kelberry: oh, sorry :)
Eden Haiku: Love the spiral staircase... if that is a staircase...
Alfred Kelberry: it is
Eden Haiku: We should have an Art of Being project with RL pictures...
Alfred Kelberry: you're too kind :)
Eden Haiku: And this one has a title: Archimede's
Eden Haiku: Viktoria Luise Platz…hint hint, you might be German...
Alfred Kelberry: it's not really relevant :)
Eden Haiku: hehe.. and you post some on wikipedia. In commons?
Alfred Kelberry: no
Eden Haiku: Oh, thought so...There is one that says" wikipedia" . The "Khatyn' one. Oh, it's a link to the event, I see...
Eden Haiku: I remember reading about it in "Les Bienveillantes" by Jonathan Liddle [ that's Littell]
Alfred Kelberry: yes... unusual place
Eden Haiku: You have been at the memorial? Did you feel the dead people there? The energy of the place?
Alfred Kelberry: a mixed feeling
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: both peaceful and disturbing
Eden Haiku: That's Jonathan Littell rather. A great, terrible book.
Eden Haiku: Ah, I see what you mean...
Eden Haiku: The pure bulb one reminds me of PaB...
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eden Haiku: Thanks for sharing these photos album Alfred :)
Alfred Kelberry: you're welcome. thanks for your comments :)
Eden Haiku: While I was waiting for the link, I went downstairs to chat with my Dad (we live on an apartment over his house).
Eden Haiku: And I promised I will be picking up leaves in the courtyard this afternoon.
Alfred Kelberry: ah, that's nice :)
Eden Haiku: So I guess, I better go.
Eden Haiku: Hi Josh!
Eden Haiku: I think you know about our group and the recording.
Eden Haiku: A little bird told me so...
Alfred Kelberry: i have to go as well. thank you for the company, eden.
Eden Haiku: But unfortunately, this session is over now. See you at another meeting maybe? There will be one here at 1 PM.SLT
Eden Haiku: Bye Bye Alfred. Always a pleasure to see you!
Eden Haiku: See you later Josh!
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