2010.10.13 07:00 - Feel like a chicken

The Guardian for this meeting was Gaya Ethaniel. The comments are by Gaya Ethaniel.

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Gaya :)
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
Eliza Madrigal: Well, thanks... bit of a cold but otherwise Fine :)
Eliza Madrigal: You?
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: How was the trip?
Eliza Madrigal: Really nice, very blue skies... nice meeting SL friends
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal has to get to your neck of the woods soon :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ?
Eliza Madrigal: or drag you here :)
Gaya Ethaniel: heh?
Eliza Madrigal: haha.... Just an expression for wanting to visit you f2f, hah
Gaya Ethaniel: ah
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes we will :)
Gaya Ethaniel: I just have to save up some money :P
Eliza Madrigal: without saying exactly where you are... 'neck of the woods'...
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Ewan :)
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe after we "free Bruce and Blub" we make signs "Bring Gaya to US"
Gaya Ethaniel: lol
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Gaya Ethaniel: I was wondering about that sign, something happened?
Eliza Madrigal: yes, poor Bruce and Blub are stuck in SL
Eliza Madrigal: trapped on his guardian plot!
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ghosted ...
Gaya Ethaniel: LL are pretty quick to fix that if a ticket is raised.
Eliza Madrigal: good to know. His ticket is submitted
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... maybe they aren't so quick anymore >.<
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Gaya Ethaniel: brb
Gaya Ethaniel: I've been thinking about emotional charge, energy etc.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda! :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Lucinda :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hello Eliza and Gaya
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: a great topic Gaya, "emotional charge and energy"

--BELL--

Gaya Ethaniel: Well, what are your thoughts on these?
Eliza Madrigal: I see them as different but related things...
Eliza Madrigal: strange to articulate, but a 'charge' feels to me energetic... and like what one builds up when studying or in particular flow of focus...?
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Eliza Madrigal: and maybe what one learns to settle in with during meditation/quiet practice...
Eliza Madrigal: or to distribute/give away...
Gaya Ethaniel: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: See my thinking has been going along the line of emotions and desires.
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello lo :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Io
Gaya Ethaniel: 'lo lo :P
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's very interesting Gaya...
Eliza Madrigal: I'll give Io a note :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ty
Io Larkspur: Hello, Gaya, Eliza, and Luci. Please continue with your conversation.
Gaya Ethaniel: The charge as you put it Eliza ... would it be generated from emotions?
Eliza Madrigal: emotions can be tangled in there, yes
Eliza Madrigal: not generated from, to my thinking..
Lucinda Lavender: Woke up yesterday with thoughts and they felt like they were in search of something...held some kind of emotional charge potentially tho
Eliza Madrigal: "thoughts in search of something" how interesting!
Lucinda Lavender: I discovered that there was a sort of narration going on...in my head
Lucinda Lavender: the attempt to put certain things together into a meaningful thought
Gaya Ethaniel: Thoughts ... emotions ... interesting ...
Eliza Madrigal: did they then tie in with or frame things/thoughts you came up to in the course of the day?
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: And of course ... energy from them ...
Lucinda Lavender: developed as the day went
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Eliza Madrigal: ah, yes I relate to this though I'd not 'thought' of it in that way
Gaya Ethaniel: So they shaped your day, would you say Lucinda?
Lucinda Lavender: yes they became more meaningful...had clarity
Eliza Madrigal: thoughts carrying energy to gather their own kind of momentum ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Alfred :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Alfred :) I'll give you a note about our conversation so far
Alfred Kelberry: wee! gaya the bunny :)
Io Larkspur: Hello, Alfred.
Alfred Kelberry: good to see you guys :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes I'd like to know more about how these work ... it's curious to me.
Gaya Ethaniel: Sometimes I think it's helpful and other times I think not ...
Lucinda Lavender: I think there is the perceiving function and judging function and for me as a perceiver...there can be a slow process coming to a conclusion...
Eliza Madrigal: so you think that judging is like being given a full box to unpack, or an empty box to fill?
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Io and Alfred
Gaya Ethaniel: How do you feel about that process, especially 'momentum' as Eliza put it?
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps it is a package...because there is the sense of it having boundaries...
Lucinda Lavender: discernment

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: eliza, empty box would be sheer experience, i think
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm... maybe it is like what we see in the dream circle process too... a spiraling energy building, then sorting, settling, maybe sharing...
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, sheer experience! Nice
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Alfred Kelberry: i had a funny dream today :)
Lucinda Lavender: I think the words..the narration is a new thought to me...
Lucinda Lavender: really Alfred?
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes letting the energy to rise, let it do own things whatever they maybe then letting it go ...
Lucinda Lavender: Alfred...
Gaya Ethaniel: Different from emotional energy perhaps ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes Alfred?
Eliza Madrigal: yes I wonder.. maybe the emotion comes in with what we are trying to do with the energy... or hm...
Alfred Kelberry: a friend of mine said: i don't drive a car on 13th. i said: oh, interesting... then i woke up and found out it's 13th today :)
Eliza Madrigal: !
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes very strange
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: maybe a hint for someone...
Alfred Kelberry: well, i'm not into omens, but i called him and asked if he's going to drive today and told him to be careful :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Lucinda Lavender: is there an emotional charge for you around 13
Lucinda Lavender: ?
Alfred Kelberry: me? no
Lucinda Lavender: the number of moons in a year...
Alfred Kelberry: just a random event :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Lucinda Lavender: and Randomness is meaningful to me...
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Lucinda Lavender: a bridging of light and dark
Lucinda Lavender: in the system I study
Eliza Madrigal: encompassing light and dark? making fewer distinctions?
Lucinda Lavender: I am thinking about how emotion can be in many flavors...nuances...but influenced by the heart the mind, and in differing amounts
Lucinda Lavender: light and dark are kinds of energy perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: and randomness can be like looking in a kaleidoscope
Alfred Kelberry: when buddhism says to be mindful, what place emotion has in it?
Lucinda Lavender: brb
Gaya Ethaniel: hm ... I guess learning more about them ...
Gaya Ethaniel: I was mulling over what Lucinda just painted :)
Eliza Madrigal: seems mindfulness/equanimity to be a settling under the surface from which all those distinctions arise and play and settle...
Eliza Madrigal: but not leaving mindfulness...
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: so sadness or happiness or irritation... can either open up into the evenness... or we can think it doesn't?
Alfred Kelberry: they do eventually
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Visitor :)
Eliza Madrigal: and let ourselves be preoccupied with that, which seems draining...
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes ... emotional energy involving ordinary sense of time can become quite exhausting ...

--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: back...chickens...
Gaya Ethaniel: wb :)
Alfred Kelberry: chickens?
Alfred Kelberry: you feed them? :)
Lucinda Lavender: fed them...
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, so cute :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Alfred Kelberry: they give eggs
Alfred Kelberry: in turn :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes...and there is no charge:)
Gaya Ethaniel: brb
Alfred Kelberry: are they brown or white?
Lucinda Lavender: thinking about emotional charge here
Lucinda Lavender: both brown and white
Alfred Kelberry: when i was a kid at my granmda's place, i liked to go for eggs in the mornings and seeing chickens carefully watching me :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sweet!
Gaya Ethaniel: back
Eliza Madrigal: Did you think they had expressions?
Lucinda Lavender: nice memory:)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, i thought they didn't trust me much :)
Gaya Ethaniel: lol
Lucinda Lavender: they do look for tidbits if you bring them regularly
Eliza Madrigal: or did you feel unsure and therefore see that? :)
Eliza Madrigal: suspicious chickens... hhehe
Alfred Kelberry: they were cautious and sounding funny :) like "cooo.. co-co" very low :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes! :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Alfred Kelberry: that's the right word, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: wonder if you'd dressed like a chicken...
Alfred Kelberry: become one of them? :)
Gaya Ethaniel wonders why one would want to dress like a chicken ...
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha, so they wouldn't be suspicious of course... yes, as Alf says
Gaya Ethaniel: ah, to get the eggs :)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe they'd be happy about one of their own taking their eggs...
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: nice, eliza :)
Lucinda Lavender: thinking...to watch the chicken cross the road:( sorry
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Io Larkspur: Giant Chicken --- Mmmm.... Maybe the chicken would worship you then, Al.
Gaya Ethaniel: lol
Alfred Kelberry: well, i was very carful to not startle them
Alfred Kelberry: haha, io :)
Alfred Kelberry: there's a rooster to keep the order :)
Eliza Madrigal: I do wonder about their personality though... DO they have distinct personalities?
Alfred Kelberry: he's the one they worship :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes sort of...
Lucinda Lavender: some like being held others do not trust...
Eliza Madrigal: At Windhorse there was a chicken area and some showed a few signs of distress... they thought it might be due to a fox I think...
Eliza Madrigal: or some feel of 'on guard'ness
Alfred Kelberry: luci, do you give them names? :)
Lucinda Lavender: sort of...Little Red Hen, Buff, Silverlace, and Hamburg
Alfred Kelberry: oh, foxes are sneaky
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: nice :)
Eliza Madrigal: sweet :)
Eliza Madrigal feels like the little red hen sometimes
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Gaya Ethaniel: rofl Eliza ... I just had a title popping up in my head just before you said that.
Gaya Ethaniel: 'I feel like a chicken' - I frowned at myself then you said ... lol
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Io Larkspur knows the "Little Red Hen Theory of Labor" : 'very well, then, I will do it myself (and she did).
Alfred Kelberry: gaya is a bunny :)
Alfred Kelberry: nice and cuddly :)
Eliza Madrigal: chickens and bunnies.. both fluffy
Alfred Kelberry: yep :)
Gaya Ethaniel: What's that theory about?
Lucinda Lavender: managing the work and taking the result ?
Io Larkspur: I have stated the entire theory [above] -- "Very well, then, I will do it myself, and she did." - Little Red Hen Theory of Labor
Io Larkspur: Yes, doing the work oneself - since no one else in the barnyard wants to help.
Eliza Madrigal: "Who will help plant the wheat?" :::silence::: "Who will help pick the wheat?" ::silence:::
Gaya Ethaniel: ah
Io Larkspur: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Io Larkspur: Who will eat the bread!?
Eliza Madrigal: everyone!
Io Larkspur: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: poor eliza red hen :)
Eliza Madrigal: no...
Gaya Ethaniel: ah I see ...
Eliza Madrigal: at one point someone realizes the red hen set up the whole thing...
Eliza Madrigal: she was martyr hen, giggles
Gaya Ethaniel: So in such situations someone may say, "I feel like a red hen." and people would get the meaning?
Lucinda Lavender: so what she is setting up...it might be better seen as a gift?
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Eliza Madrigal: chicken should check motivations :)
Io Larkspur: As one who lives alone - there is no division of labor in my household. . .
Eliza Madrigal: I did that at home with family but still fall into the trap occasionally :)
Lucinda Lavender: and drop parts that include ...

--BELL--

Io Larkspur: therefore, I am keenly in tune with the LLHTOL.
Io Larkspur: LRHTOL... (sry).
Alfred Kelberry: it looks like you're laughing hard :)
Io Larkspur: speaking of which -- time for me to get to work!
Eliza Madrigal: oh, wonderful Io. Ultimately, we all are perhaps.... something to see there :) Maybe a new book to be written 'wu wei hen'
Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day lo and everyone :)
Io Larkspur: THANKS everyone. Be well and happy today.
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Alfred Kelberry: have a good day, io!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone :)) Thanks for interesting chat
Io Larkspur: I think this might be the day that Bruce gets freed.
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: yay!
Alfred Kelberry: yay!
Lucinda Lavender: yes lovely...
Eliza Madrigal: like the miners!
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Io Larkspur: LL will be doing rolling restarts tonight and tomorrow.
Lucinda Lavender: til later...
Alfred Kelberry: oh yes!
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Io Larkspur: Bye everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: bfn
Lucinda Lavender: Io what does that mean?
Lucinda Lavender: oh...Linden Labs..
Lucinda Lavender: bye then:)