2010.10.21 13:00 - recipe to the nature of reality

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

What costumes for Halloween? :)

Lia Rikugun: hello joshposh and freud
Freud Jungsten: O si yo
Lia Rikugun: oh we have huge pumkins!
Lia Rikugun: wow havent seen then before
Freud Jungsten: Jack o lanterns are just Freaky.
--BELL--
Freud Jungsten: Trying to puttogethe an Ok cotume for this year... having a bit of dificlty though.
Lia Rikugun: what is an ok costume?
Lia Rikugun: a costume for halloween that is ok? :)
Freud Jungsten: Yes.
Freud Jungsten: Sorry, my typing is not that good today.
Lia Rikugun: aha! :) so what are the possibilities?
Freud Jungsten: Not sure... I am not that creative.
Lia Rikugun: ohh a witch, i went as a witch once
Freud Jungsten: Last year I did the school girl outfit.... bad mistake.. got all sorts of the wrong sort of attention.
Lia Rikugun: with a long black hat
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Freud, Lia, Josh
Lia Rikugun: oh i understand
Lia Rikugun: hi eliza!
Freud Jungsten: Folks would beleive it on me though... lol
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you in a session Josh
Eliza Madrigal: :)

relaxed time after the retreat

Eliza Madrigal: How are you doing Lia? Still blissful?
Lia Rikugun: :) to freud
Lia Rikugun: blissful, i have to look that up
Eliza Madrigal: full of happiness
Eliza Madrigal: joy :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yaku :)
Lia Rikugun: ah
Lia Rikugun: yes and no
Lia Rikugun: i think i am much more relaxed now than before the retreat
Lia Rikugun: but the whole feeling slowly slips away
Lia Rikugun: what i started doing though
Lia Rikugun: is meditating before sleeping
Lia Rikugun: and this way i could continue to meditate in my dreams! :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, wonderful! I recently began the same :)))
Lia Rikugun: hehe!
Eliza Madrigal: Has it 'worked'?
Lia Rikugun: maybe i got the idea telepathically
Lia Rikugun: yes
Lia Rikugun: but i only remember an idea of meditation
Lia Rikugun: i knew i did it but i dont remember the whole
Eliza Madrigal: but the sense of meditation continued into dreams?
Lia Rikugun: yes
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful :)
Lia Rikugun: yes i found it pretty exciting too
Lia Rikugun: i had read a book about lucid dreams and there the author mentioned a dream yoga
Eliza Madrigal: during and after retreat seems a very good time to begin that kind of practice
Lia Rikugun: which might be something similar i have to read more
Lia Rikugun: the retreat was great
Lia Rikugun: but completely different to what i experienced in malta
Eliza Madrigal: I recently read Stephen Leberge.... very good book on Lucid Dreaming... definitely helped
Eliza Madrigal: From what I've gathered, you all really expolored with abandon and comfort :)
Lia Rikugun: ah ok, i think robert walgoner the author mentioned stephen laberge

the retreat to go and search inside, what is "I"?

Lia Rikugun: for me it was more a search inside
Lia Rikugun: deep
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, am intrigued...
Eliza Madrigal: curious :)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: should i tell you a little more?
Eliza Madrigal: yes please if you would! if you don't mind....
Lia Rikugun: but how can i start
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: just let the baby´s laugh :)
Lia Rikugun: well i think eos started it
Lia Rikugun: so i start there
Lia Rikugun: i have been thinking about the 'I' for a long time
Lia Rikugun: who is this 'I'
Lia Rikugun: what this really is
Lia Rikugun: are these all the aspects of my personaly
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi wol
Lia Rikugun: or the little things that make me the person I am
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)) Look how pretty you look all in royal purple :)
Wol Euler beams
Lia Rikugun: hello wol
Wol Euler: it's left over from yesterday
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes my daughters were plums all day too...
Wol Euler smiles.
Lia Rikugun: so somehow this was the idea i had of the 'I', as a collection of millions of experiences which are all influenced by others and different circumstances
Wol Euler: glad to hear it.
Eliza Madrigal: How interesting Lia, listening...
Zon Kwan: hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Wol Euler: hello zon
Lia Rikugun: but eos said and this was in the context of discussing the monkey minds
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello zon
joshposh99 Biscuit: hi
Lia Rikugun: that maybe the 'I' is behind the monkey minds
Lia Rikugun: so not all these aspects of my life are who I am, but what lies behind all that
Lia Rikugun: so to speak the essence of me
Wol Euler listens
Lia Rikugun: (even though I cannot grasp it)
Zon Kwan: is i memory ?
Lia Rikugun: the question is Who am I?
Lia Rikugun: or who is I?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, "I am" rather than I am such n such or this n that?
Wol Euler: hello eos
Zon Kwan: or what is i
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos! Wow... nearly the whole retreat here.. a peek toward tomorrow...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi assorted I's
Zon Kwan: who means he is a person
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: i am not sure if I say it correctly
Lia Rikugun: so in a sense what is more essential to myself than all those little aspects that happened to form my ego
Lia Rikugun: this is what I was looking for
Zon Kwan: an aware space ?
Lia Rikugun: after eos said that all these aspects could be the monkeys and maybe the 'I' is what lies behind
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)

going deep inside myself

Lia Rikugun: I did a little exploration
Lia Rikugun: hello mick
Zon Kwan: MIck
Mickorod Renard: hello all,,how are you?
Lia Rikugun: going deep into myself, leraving all these aspects behind
Lia Rikugun: to see if I can find a more essential I
Mickorod Renard: nice
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: long there was nothing
Zon Kwan: but perhaps there is no i
Lia Rikugun: darkness
Lia Rikugun: and then
Lia Rikugun: ...
Zon Kwan: perhaps i is an illusion
Wol Euler: I remember, you were talking about this on the last afternoon
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: tension
Lia Rikugun: drums
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lia Rikugun: i am teasing you
Lia Rikugun: i saw a laughing baby
Eos Amaterasu listens with baited breath
Lia Rikugun: so this was funny!
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Lia Rikugun: the wise laughing baby
Lia Rikugun: who knew
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: A knowing baby?
Lia Rikugun: it was crazy
Lia Rikugun: yes
Lia Rikugun: I still have to laugh about this image
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
Eos Amaterasu: this is who / what you found ?
Eliza Madrigal: fantastic image
Lia Rikugun: yes
Eos Amaterasu: it has your smile!
Lia Rikugun: haha
Eliza Madrigal: a sense of innocence? or openness? or....?
Lia Rikugun: just the baby knew
Lia Rikugun: whateveer
Lia Rikugun: but pure knowledge
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: always wondered what insight looked like....
Mickorod Renard: perhaps the baby is clean,,because it hasnt acted incorrectly by this stage?
Eliza Madrigal: that's beautiful Lia, thank you for sharing that :)
Lia Rikugun: i dont know who this baby is or what it represents
Lia Rikugun: maybe it doesnt mean anything
Mickorod Renard: sometimes knowledge comes along with a darkness
Lia Rikugun: maybe it does
Wol Euler: have you been back to talk to it?
Lia Rikugun: no

he, she, it : the baby

Wol Euler: (btw, babies are neutral genderless in german, "it" doesn't sound nearly as odd in german as in english :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: thank you for the clarification Wol
Lia Rikugun: Oh what sounds weird?
Lia Rikugun: what it represents?
Lia Rikugun: thats what sounds weird?
Wol Euler: well, not wierd, no; but in English you'd naturally try to say he or she
Wol Euler: nur dass du "es" sagtest = it
Eos Amaterasu: Heracitus: "The Aeon is a child at play with colored balls"
Lia Rikugun: ah ok, i didnt know
Lia Rikugun: but no she or he, I wouldnt be able to say
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I felt rather rude just then refering to the baby as it
Lia Rikugun: sorry!
Wol Euler: it's natural in German but odd in English
joshposh99 Biscuit: hi
Mickorod Renard: its me that needs to say sorry,,
Wol Euler: hello josh, has anyone given you an introduction yet?
joshposh99 Biscuit: no
Lia Rikugun: sorry my fault
Wol Euler: ok, let's do that. I'll IM you so we don't disturb the rest of the group.
Lia Rikugun: oh ok thanks wol
Eliza Madrigal: Josh came to the guardian session on Sunday and then had a nice talk with Bruce I think...?
Eliza Madrigal: Was glad to see you found a session Josh :)
joshposh99 Biscuit: yeah
Wol Euler: oh, so yuo have been here before?
joshposh99 Biscuit: yes
Wol Euler: ok, good :)
Eos Amaterasu thinks of the baby at the end of 2001 movie, after that white room just like the Stuttgart room
joshposh99 Biscuit: were do you live
Lia Rikugun: :)
joshposh99 Biscuit: i live in cambrifge
Lia Rikugun: germany josh
joshposh99 Biscuit: cambridge
Eos Amaterasu: I take it this wasn't a baby monkey?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lia Rikugun: hm maybe, i dont know
Lia Rikugun: i dont know what is a monkey and what not
joshposh99 Biscuit: yeah
Lia Rikugun: ;) haha REALLY onfused people
Lia Rikugun: of course i can see what a monkey is :) but not in my head
Eliza Madrigal: This is an interesting exercize Lia... similar to one that I participated in with a group in august of 'looking for the self'...
Lia Rikugun: yes?
Eliza Madrigal: but your way of framing and exploring is so accesible
joshposh99 Biscuit: how do i join the group
Eliza Madrigal: and interesting
Wol Euler: just turn up and be here, Josh.
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: fresh and spontaneous... so much more room in some ways ... thank you :)

a different exploration

Lia Rikugun: maybe i can suggest a different exploration
Lia Rikugun: if it appeals to you can can try it out
Lia Rikugun: this is something we did as well during the retreat
Eliza Madrigal listens...
Lia Rikugun: and this came to mind when thinking of the essence of myself
Lia Rikugun: i thought of a tiny tiny spot inside my body
Lia Rikugun: somehow like a source
Lia Rikugun: from where the essence spreads in
Eliza Madrigal pictures...
Lia Rikugun: and water fills the whole body
Mickorod Renard: mmmmmm
Lia Rikugun: or a liquid
Lia Rikugun: which represents this essence
Mickorod Renard: I am happy with water
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lia Rikugun: we did this in the group
Mickorod Renard: I like that idea,,I think I do something similar myself sometimes
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: oh
Lia Rikugun: and i forgot
Mickorod Renard: I have long felt that water is a living inhabitant of the body
Eliza Madrigal: interesting practice... I suppose the substance could be light, too...

the nature of reality in 60 seconds

Lia Rikugun: i went to the bathroom for one minute, and after I came back Pema had explained all, the nature of reality, I missed it!!
Eliza Madrigal: hahahahha
Mickorod Renard: well thats typical of Pema :)
Eliza Madrigal: and no one took notes?
Eos Amaterasu: we were speechless
Lia Rikugun: no one wanted to give me the explanation
Eliza Madrigal: that's what notes are for
Eliza Madrigal: did you ask the baby then?
Lia Rikugun: maybe we can ask eos wol and yaku
Lia Rikugun: they were there
Mickorod Renard: yes, come on Eos,,tell all
Eliza Madrigal listens for eos wol and yaku to give me the explanation of reality....
Yakuzza Lethecus: well my memory is bad i relied on wol tweeting everything, but somehow she missed to explain the nature of reality in 140 letters

the recipe to nature of reality, take your notes...

Wol Euler: lia knows the recipe :)
Eos Amaterasu: yes
Eos Amaterasu: how does that song go?
Lia Rikugun: haha
Lia Rikugun: thats true
Mickorod Renard: is it from mary poppins?
Lia Rikugun: ok do you want me to give you the recipe?
Wol Euler grins.
Lia Rikugun: are you ready for it?
Wol Euler: take notes!
Mickorod Renard: yes
Wol Euler: this is important!
Mickorod Renard: ok
Lia Rikugun: i mean, are you really ready for it?
Eos Amaterasu readies pen
joshposh99 Biscuit: ok
Lia Rikugun: REALLY?
Eliza Madrigal scrambles for camera and recorder and pen....
Lia Rikugun: ok
Mickorod Renard: I am always ready for IT
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lia Rikugun: so you take one cup of sugar
Lia Rikugun: you got that?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Eos Amaterasu: one cup of sugar...
Lia Rikugun: mix it with mustard
Eos Amaterasu: mix with mustard...
Eliza Madrigal: mustard seeds?
Lia Rikugun: put something of this on your left little toe
Mickorod Renard: french?
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, left little toe with mustard/sugar
Lia Rikugun: stand on your head at the full moon at midnight and sing 3 times guantanamera
Lia Rikugun: the I will drop off and you will feel timeless time!!!
Lia Rikugun: TADAAAA
Eos Amaterasu thinks it's around full moon right now
Lia Rikugun: we figured it all out!!
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Eos Amaterasu: clap clap!
Mickorod Renard: mmm,,checks cupboards in kitchen for mustard
Lia Rikugun: tell me if it worked tomorrow
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... maybe we shouldn't post this session for future retreaters who will think that is what pab does when it gets together in RL
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Lia Rikugun: HAHA
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Mickorod Renard: yes,,anyway,,it should be secret info just for us
Wol Euler speaks into the camera. "We did some serious stuff too, y'know."
Lia Rikugun: pshhhht

guantanamera song

Eos Amaterasu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm1anurhbeg
Eliza Madrigal: you took video?
Eos Amaterasu is doing the bump with Being
Lia Rikugun: cannot see in germany... :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: not availible in germany :(
Wol Euler: :(
Eliza Madrigal: this is required guitar learning...
Eos Amaterasu: Guantanamera - The Sandpipers
Wol Euler: ah :)
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: its scary when one remembers when this was in the charts
Wol Euler: heheheh
Lia Rikugun: hm
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I mean who would think that with today's popular music sophistication... hehe
Mickorod Renard: I actually went and bought the beatles rubber soul album/cd the other week
Wol Euler is listening to a song from ca. 1550
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, both :))
Mickorod Renard: 1550? I am not that old
Wol Euler: nice, mick.
Lia Rikugun: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi XXXX :)
Mickorod Renard: some older music takes me back to times when I was less corrupted
Wol Euler: hello XXXX, have you been here before?
Lia Rikugun: hi XXXX
Mickorod Renard: Hi XXXX
Eliza Madrigal: corrupted Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I guess so
Wol Euler: it's funny now strongly musical memories are associated with the times when we heard them, with how we felt
Eliza Madrigal: absolutely
XXXX: Prosper and be well comrads
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: bye XXXX
Eliza Madrigal: Prosper and Be well XXXX
Lia Rikugun: byebye XXXX
XXXX: I just came - If you are not too distirbed by my presence here - I would like to stay a little longer
Eliza Madrigal: the first song I remember falling in love with, that wasn't a church song or little rhyme, was Paul McCarney singing "Silly Love Songs"... highly reputed to be a terrible song but I still hear it with young ears
Wol Euler: sure

"trust the laughter"

Eos Amaterasu thinks of laughing baby, remembers, 'trust the laughter'
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, not at all XXXX
Wol Euler: have you been here before, XXXX?
Lia Rikugun: yes sure
Mickorod Renard: please stay,,we enjoy company
Eliza Madrigal: please feel free to stay, though you had said goodbye
Lia Rikugun: can you say more about that eos
XXXX: no - I think this is the firs time i am heere
Wol Euler: ok, I'll give you an introduction in IM so we don't distrub the others.
Eos Amaterasu: it's sometimes how we do double takes on ourselves, and have little bursts of laughter,
Mickorod Renard: yes, I have to admit that the odd old song has stirred such old mamories that i have shed a tear
Eos Amaterasu: in the parachute-less space between who we think we are
Mickorod Renard: Memories,,sorry
Mickorod Renard: the mamories are still ok
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: tears and laughter
Lia Rikugun: aha
Eliza Madrigal laugh @ Mick
Eos Amaterasu: both of them
Lia Rikugun: there are different kinds of laughter
Lia Rikugun: so just wanted to be sure
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eos Amaterasu: we trust ourselves jumping into space when we laugh
Lia Rikugun: and in what sense tears?
Mickorod Renard: I shed tears both ways,,sometimes its ambaracing
Mickorod Renard: oops,,spelling bad
joshposh99 Biscuit: i have to go to bed now
Mickorod Renard: yes,,reflecting on past events,,it could be about anything
Lia Rikugun: ok josh nice to see you
Mickorod Renard: nite nite josh
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night josh
joshposh99 Biscuit: bye
Lia Rikugun: good night!
Wol Euler: 'night Josh, take care
joshposh99 Biscuit: thanks
joshposh99 Biscuit: bye
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you everyone.. off to Wok :)
Eos Amaterasu can see clearly now
Mickorod Renard: I burst into sad tears only a week ago thinking of my old teddy
--BELL--
Wol Euler: oh, I'll go too.
Lia Rikugun: bye eliza
Wol Euler: thanks for the reminder
Eos Amaterasu: all wok and no play, Eliza!
Mickorod Renard: bye all them going
Eliza Madrigal grins and hears laughter somewhere
Yakuzza Lethecus: trust the laughter
Yakuzza Lethecus dies from laughing....
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: now I have to remember how to get there...
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night or cya at the cafe
Lia Rikugun: byebye
Mickorod Renard: wok on bye
Mickorod Renard: ok,,i might av a go at wok
Lia Rikugun: ok, i think I will soon go to bed as well
Mickorod Renard: ok Lia,,well sleep well,,or rather,,sleep like a baby
Lia Rikugun: hehe :) thanks
Wol Euler: 'night lia, take care
Lia Rikugun: night wol
Mickorod Renard: wow,,is that a first?
Wol Euler: stop
Wol Euler: bye for now
Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
Lia Rikugun: sorry XXXX and freud
Lia Rikugun: I will leave you too
Lia Rikugun: you can stay as long as you want
Freud Jungsten: No worries... just listening off and on.. Thanks.
Freud Jungsten: Not going to kick us out?... smiles
Lia Rikugun: usually the sessions last around an hour
Lia Rikugun: sometimes lonmger
Lia Rikugun: but now there is another session at the kira cafe
Freud Jungsten: I have been to several now.
Lia Rikugun: "ways of knowing"
Freud Jungsten: OK.. thanks.
Lia Rikugun: if you are interested you can check this out too
Lia Rikugun: i will be offline and go to bed
Lia Rikugun: take care and good night
Lia Rikugun: nice to meet you XXXX