2010.10.09 01:00 - Life, but not as we know it

Wol Euler: hallo bert

Bertram Jacobus: heyy und guten morgen :-)

Wol Euler lächelt

Bertram Jacobus: müssen wir nicht englisch schreiben hier ? ;-)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: interesting t-shirt: a rainbow zebra?

Bertram Jacobus: yess ! it was from a designer shop, quite expensive, but i found it worth it's price ... :-)

Wol Euler: absolutely

Bertram Jacobus: may be it was on a japanese sim - they sometimes have very special things ...

Wol Euler: oh yes

Bertram Jacobus: i wasn't very often in such regions yet ...

Wol Euler: there is definitely something special about japanese designers and their shops

Bertram Jacobus: yeah :-)

Wol Euler: they have an eye for fine detail and clever ideas

Bertram Jacobus: yeah ! :-)

Bertram Jacobus: heheheh :o)

Bertram Jacobus: sounds like a demons laugh doesn't it ? : heheheh :o)

Wol Euler: I've been talking (e-mail) to Pema about something (somebody) he mentioned in Nova Scotia, which interested me and which we might take as a starting point for our retreat.

Wol Euler: Namkhai Norbu

Bertram Jacobus: namkhai norbu ? :-)

Bertram Jacobus: ah yes

Bertram Jacobus: i read it incorrectly - fine !

Wol Euler: let me check Pema's mail

Wol Euler: ah, you know him?

Bertram Jacobus: yess

Bertram Jacobus: a bit

Bertram Jacobus: have some friends who like him

Bertram Jacobus: very much

--BELL--

 

An old friend drops by again.

Bertram Jacobus: hi roger :-)

Wol Euler: hello roger

Roger Ormenthal: Hi

Bertram Jacobus: if you like, take a seat with us (?) :-)

Wol Euler: you've been here before, haven't you? I think I remember your name

Roger Ormenthal: thx

Roger Ormenthal: y

Roger Ormenthal: still rezzing

Bertram Jacobus: ooh - you have q quite intersting and so to say fitting text in your profile ! :-)

Bertram Jacobus: for here ... ;-9

Roger Ormenthal: :)

Bertram Jacobus: oops - the ugly nine again - sry

Bertram Jacobus: sometimes moving helps with rezzing

Bertram Jacobus: only a little can be enough

Bertram Jacobus: a matter of principle, not amount ;-)

Roger Ormenthal: Is there a topic?

Bertram Jacobus: and sometimes it needs patience i think , especially in chats ...

Bertram Jacobus: to me - topics often occure and disappear again with time and circumstances, every moment, with persons especially ...

Bertram Jacobus: we started to mention namkhai norbu, as topic for our first life retrat, beginning next week, but i am not sure, whether that would be interesting for you (?)

Bertram Jacobus: or do you have someting which is in your mind and heart ? a topic i mean ?

 

There followed a rather long pause during which I realized that I'd lost sight of Roger.

Wol Euler: do you see roger, bert? he's become invisible to me

Bertram Jacobus: oh. yes. i still see him but

Bertram Jacobus: that must not mean that he is still with us. seemingly not . ah - now he writes ! lol

Roger Ormenthal: I don't have a particular topic in mind, and I also have all topics in mind.

Bertram Jacobus: hi qt ! :-)

Qt Core: Hi all!

Wol Euler: hello qt

Wol Euler: roger, could you rebake for me please? Ctrl-Alt-R

Bertram Jacobus: all topics - that is uncredible much ! ;-)

Roger Ormenthal: rebake?

Wol Euler: Ctrl-Alt-R

Qt Core: agree with roger, the problem isn't having a topic, but choosing only one :-)

Roger Ormenthal: I'm on Mac, no Alt.

Wol Euler: causes your viewer to regenerate your appearance and upload it to the server, which should make you visible to me

Wol Euler: yes there is. Between "ctrl" and the apple key

Qt Core: Advanced->rebake

Roger Ormenthal: Where is Advanced?

Wol Euler: just use the keyboard shortcut :)

Wol Euler: you get the Advanced menu by Ctrl-Alt-D

Wol Euler: anyway, it's just optics, and just my viewer. Onwards.

Roger Ormenthal: Any difference?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: no, but apparently that's life :)

Wol Euler: thanks for trying.

Wol Euler: What shall we talk about?

Roger Ormenthal: If I'm a light blob, perhaps that's my real nature.

Wol Euler: you aren't even that for me, Roger: completely invisible :)

Roger Ormenthal: A voice from the void.

Wol Euler grins.

Roger Ormenthal: Any topic is fine.

 

Roger suggests astronomy, as QT joins us.

Roger Ormenthal: The new earth-like planet that was just found.

Qt Core: ;-)

Qt Core: it has an interesting feature : it is locked toward its star like the moon with the earth

Roger Ormenthal: They speculate that life must almost certainly be there. It's warm enough for liquid water to exist.

Wol Euler: so it has no day/night cycle?

Roger Ormenthal: I think life on other worlds is probably more the rule than the exception.

Wol Euler agrees

Qt Core: exactly, it will be interesting to see how lofde would organize itself with rest/activity cycles

Qt Core: lofde=life... how i could write that ?

Roger Ormenthal: And - does it use DNA - and if so, do we share similar proteins, or is it all radically different.

Wol Euler: and also with temperature and geography. There would be enormous differences in temperature between the halves

Wol Euler: and it would have very different weather systems: probably no jetstream

Roger Ormenthal: They say life could exist on the boundary between the hot and cold sides.

Wol Euler: probably no seasons

Qt Core: the night side probably unhabitalbe, always dark, no energy (maybe bacteria around vulcans

Qt Core: but nothing bigger

Roger Ormenthal: Life exists here at dark sea vents.

Bertram Jacobus: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5N13Li1zOx8/TJ...aterOnMars.jpg

Wol Euler: I wonder ...

Wol Euler: I was thinking of those, roger, yes.

Wol Euler: what's the temperature at the bottom of the sea?

Roger Ormenthal: And bacteria thrive under frozen arctic ice.

Qt Core: alalways loved that, bert

Qt Core: never checked :)

Bertram Jacobus: :-)

Roger Ormenthal: Don't know ocean bottom temps, but in some places, where there are magma pools, it can be warm.

Wol Euler: fascinating.

Wol Euler: phone

Roger Ormenthal: Life is also thought to possibly exist under the ice of the moon Europa orbiting Jupiter.

 

Would beings which evolved in different environments have different senses?

Qt Core: thinking about eyes... not having to be able to see in the dark maybe they'll be able to see a wider (on the short side) of the spectrum

Roger Ormenthal: ...in a liquid ocean, warmed by tidal gravitational forces on the moon.

Roger Ormenthal: I heard that in absolute darkness as conventionally conceived, cavers can see after acclimation by the infrared emissions of cave walls.

--BELL--

Bertram Jacobus: i think, our senses are so special : imagine we wouldn't have them - ho wto imagine how such could be ? smelling, seeing, hearing etc. - so : how unimaginable may other possible "senses" be ?! ...

Bertram Jacobus: and other life forms as well

Qt Core: just try to remember when you are deproved of smell by a cold

Roger Ormenthal: True, our senses are specific and limited. We see a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. Imagine if we could see radio waves, x-rays, etc.

Qt Core: but still you know that smells are out there

Wol Euler: back

Bertram Jacobus: but you had an impression about it before qt - what if you never had had such ?

Roger Ormenthal: People with synesthesia can see smells, taste colors, etc.

Roger Ormenthal: I must now sleep - and sense dreams. Goodnight to all!

Qt Core: would you like a gps enabled direction sixth sense ?

Qt Core: http://news.therecord.com/article/507124

Wol Euler: goodnight roger

Qt Core: in another article someone had it always buzzing toward north so he got a compass like sixth sense

Qt Core: i hate when my hands keep typing after i stopped

Wol Euler: yeah

Qt Core: (and i have to write something to make them stop)

Bertram Jacobus: sry - i'll quit - got a visitor - see you later and ty for the talk ! ...

Qt Core: bye, have fun

Wol Euler: bye bert, enjoy the day

Bertram Jacobus: ty again both ! :-)

Wol Euler: I have to go too, that was the office calling me in early.

Qt Core: nice....

Wol Euler: well :)

Wol Euler: it's the price of having a week off

Wol Euler: ciao qt, have a nice day

Qt Core: always better than NOT having an office that could call

Wol Euler: yep :)