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2010.11.30 19:00 - Space, Boundaries, Fear
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The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Rhiannon
Eos Amaterasu: How are you this evening, Rhiannon?
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm good; and you
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Puntuka!
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: Pretty good... seems to have been a long and busyful day....
Puntuka Adzior: namaste
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i got a lot done today as well
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Puntuka
Eos Amaterasu: Have you been to Play as Being before?
Puntuka Adzior: yes
Puntuka Adzior: earlier today
Puntuka Adzior: met all sorts of interesting people
Eos Amaterasu: Ok... you got the intro, and that our chats are logged
Puntuka Adzior: that I thought didn't exist in this number
Eos Amaterasu: ¿
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, lots of interesting people on the grid, Puntuka
Puntuka Adzior: I'm autistic or at least thats all they can call it
Puntuka Adzior: but I sound like a normal person
Puntuka Adzior: look normal
Puntuka Adzior: I just don't think normal
Puntuka Adzior: brb
Eos Amaterasu: hopefully this feels normal
Puntuka Adzior: ok back
Eos Amaterasu: but it doesn't need to think normal
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: In a way that's what Play as Being is about: letting the thinking do its play
Eos Amaterasu: and observing and appreciating it
Eos Amaterasu: digging it without getting caught up in it
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Para
Paradise Tennant: smiles hiya rhia .. eos puntuka ):)
Puntuka Adzior: namaste
Paradise Tennant: smiles namaste :)
Eos Amaterasu: Paradise, you're a glowing gas cloud, much like our environs are said to have been 4.3 billion years ago
Paradise Tennant: smiles :)
Paradise Tennant: well ..I am here in spririt then :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Paradise, yeah, ur 'ruthed'
Eos Amaterasu: Paradise the friendly ghost
Rhiannon Dragoone laughs
Eos Amaterasu: it's nice to be haunted by paradise
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: I have a friend who is a sensitive she sees ghosts :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: I have a friend like that
Rhiannon Dragoone: And around him, i can sense energy beings
Paradise Tennant: listens
Eos Amaterasu thinks of matter and energy transforming into lived scenery
Rhiannon Dragoone: like SL, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Indeed!
Eos Amaterasu: So through this somewhat more imagined world we realize better how we imagine our world(s)
Eos Amaterasu: like that riff of the pianist hitting the note which generates the sound that cause ripples in his ear picked up by cilia.....
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, it's a way to model the real world
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi steve!
stevenaia Michinaga: Rhi !!! Seated?? must be an Alt :)
Puntuka Adzior: I feel tired at this moment in this existance
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm on a full viewer, steve.
Rhiannon Dragoone: It's not my fault I sometimes have to stand
stevenaia Michinaga: hi PAradise, Eos, Puntuka
Paradise Tennant: smiles at the seated rhia :)
Puntuka Adzior: namaste
Paradise Tennant: hiya stevenaia gtsy :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Stevienaia
stevenaia Michinaga: didn't mean to over react...giggles
Paradise Tennant: you were saying you felt tired puntuka ?
Rhiannon Dragoone: And ppl's reactions to my standing is still a sore spot, so le't not bring it up
Puntuka Adzior: um it has passed for now and it comes and goes
Puntuka Adzior: it is what people call depression
Rhiannon Dragoone: why are you depressed, Pun?
Eos Amaterasu: hmmm
Puntuka Adzior: fear
Paradise Tennant: sigh
Eos Amaterasu: paralyzing?
Puntuka Adzior: no not anymore
Puntuka Adzior: just lost
Eos Amaterasu: oh, by the way, a 90 second gap is coming up....perhaps just relate to that fear....
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: How was that minute and a half gap?
Eos Amaterasu: I was noticiing a kind of slightly shrinking back quality
Paradise Tennant: we touched on fear the other night it would be a compelling topic
Puntuka Adzior: I have alot of it
stevenaia Michinaga: fear to me is hlding something tight that needs to be released
stevenaia Michinaga: I quiver at those moments
Rhiannon Dragoone: fear is natural when ur threatened, or feel threatened
Puntuka Adzior: do you really want to know what I fear
Rhiannon Dragoone: Its healthier than anxiety, which can be free floating
Puntuka Adzior: well thats good to know
Eos Amaterasu: what do you fear, Puntuka?
Puntuka Adzior: I have had many problems with anxiety because I neglected my fears instead of realizing them
Puntuka Adzior: I fear the people and their discisions
Eos Amaterasu: decisions?
Puntuka Adzior: I'm so unsure of the common reality
Eos Amaterasu: Can you give a tiny example of that?
Puntuka Adzior: well I know things that could change the world but I'm afraid to tell people for fear that it would not be for the better
Puntuka Adzior: I don't quite understand its purpose yet so I go with what I'm told
Puntuka Adzior: You have to be on my level of understanding the value of life on THIS world
Puntuka Adzior: I love this world to death and I mean it
Eos Amaterasu: that is our fate, all of us
Puntuka Adzior: as testament I have a mouse who lives with me and I will be resealing the hole from the basement level where he lives during the winter I just moved here but he is a nice companion of sorts
Rhiannon Dragoone: My gf had a pet spider that came out when she was in her kitchen
Puntuka Adzior: I am on a pilgrimage
Puntuka Adzior: yeh this thing isn't a pet
Eos Amaterasu: There is another 90 second gap coming up
Puntuka Adzior: yet it will eat cheese off of a plate on my stomach
Eos Amaterasu: How about this: notice whatever fear point comes up
Eos Amaterasu: that's it
Eos Amaterasu: don't follow or push anything awaya
Puntuka Adzior: yeh thats the basic message I get
Puntuka Adzior: it doesn't make it any easier to swollow
Eos Amaterasu: no
Puntuka Adzior: omg
--BELL--
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, i need to go
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao, Rhiannon
Paradise Tennant: namaste rhia hope you have good evening :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: cu next time!
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, thank yu!
Rhiannon Dragoone: you 2
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Rhi, nice seeing you
Puntuka Adzior: namaste everyone could I get friend request I have to leave it's urgent
Eos Amaterasu: Bye Puntuka
stevenaia Michinaga: sure Puntuka
Paradise Tennant: take care puntuka
stevenaia Michinaga: didn't know there was an intervention of sorts going on when I arrived
Paradise Tennant: ?
stevenaia Michinaga: Punt's fear
stevenaia Michinaga: sometime an entry should be approached with listening, not humor
Eos Amaterasu: ?
stevenaia Michinaga: when I arrived, Eos
stevenaia Michinaga: changing the subject for a moment, would you have any pointers for doing a theme session Eos, the ones I have attended begining with a 20 minute dialoge seemed to work nicely...... wonders how much prep there should be between the hosts or does it usually just flow naturally?
Eos Amaterasu: Most of the ones I've been at have had that initial period of 20 minutes or so of just the theme presenters having a dialog
Eos Amaterasu: after which it opens up
Eos Amaterasu: You will be with two other people?
Paradise Tennant: smiles and quietly creeps off to bed ...very busy week .. kind of sleepy here namaste my friends
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao ciao, Paradise!
stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise, nice dreams to you
Paradise Tennant: ciao ciao and thank you both for the company :) and the conversation :)
stevenaia Michinaga: my question relates more to My next wednesday's Theme Session... what set-up might be needed, Blissful and I and Sophia have not set anything up yet
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a different kind of initial dialogue... or perhaps not and all will fall into place
Eos Amaterasu: I think all the theme sessions I've done have been without prior preparation with other themers
Eos Amaterasu: But for example Calvino put together a page of thoughts about a theme once
Eos Amaterasu: So I think it's entirely up to the three of you
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Eos Amaterasu: You could meet in the tavern beforehand :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: good idea
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: You'll be talking about boundaries?
stevenaia Michinaga: no, I think Eden will, I will be talking about Space
Eos Amaterasu: a big topic :-)
Eos Amaterasu: What prompted that topic?
stevenaia Michinaga: but very interesting, it came from the Guardian Meeting discussion, something I am comfortable with
stevenaia Michinaga: I should read the Wiki to see how the topic arose, perhaps to balance boundries
stevenaia Michinaga: another multidimentional topic
Eos Amaterasu: has a lot to do with boundaries also
stevenaia Michinaga: and time
Eos Amaterasu: and shaping
stevenaia Michinaga: aww, here it is.... SophiaSharon Larnia: I'd like a theme session on 'Space'
Eos Amaterasu: SophiaSharon is a very visual person
Eos Amaterasu: or, expresses visually
Eos Amaterasu: One of my very favorite quotes is:
Eos Amaterasu: "open space cannot be perceived by otherwise at all"
stevenaia Michinaga: some seem more appriciative of it, others don't react to space, for others it can create very powerful emotions....... space
Eos Amaterasu: you work with space thru architecture?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, space, light, time (movement) becomes the architect's pallete
Eos Amaterasu: I've been noticing how enough detail can make space, especially as demarcated by walls, more livable
Eos Amaterasu: building with details are satisfying to the eye
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, texture you can relate to also affect your comfort
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: they say some geometries remind the mind of the safe african savannah, baldes of grass, fractals everywhere, no place for harm to hide
Eos Amaterasu: mmm, sounds yummy
stevenaia Michinaga: as simple as wallpaper, or a well detailed and organized room, like Frank Lloyd Wright's fractals were
Eos Amaterasu: brings out a quality of well-being
stevenaia Michinaga: have you seen the book A Pattern Language?
Eos Amaterasu: Oh yes, Christopher Alexander
Eos Amaterasu: has had huge influence on the software development community as well
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it quanitifies human patterns in an encyclepedic form
stevenaia Michinaga: really, how so?
Eos Amaterasu: it gives little typical stories of how spaces work
Eos Amaterasu: the software patterns movement was influenced by C Alexander's work, and looked to find patterns of problems and approaches to problems
stevenaia Michinaga: how does that connect to software?
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm
Eos Amaterasu: for example, there's an "observer/observable" pattern
Puntuka Adzior: -i'm back
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Puntuka
Eos Amaterasu: where one piece of software subscribes to notifications from an (observed) other
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Punktuka
Eos Amaterasu: Actually, I have to disperse... past midnight here....
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, Night Eos
Puntuka Adzior: ok well I guess this metting is over then
Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, good night Sevenaia and Punkuka
stevenaia Michinaga: night, I can stay a bit
Puntuka Adzior: no a new person to lighten the path
stevenaia Michinaga: your microphone is on when you type
Puntuka Adzior: oops
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Karen
Karencreek Melson: Hi
stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before
Karencreek Melson: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome back
Karencreek Melson: ty
stevenaia Michinaga: Eos and I were talking about a 2 Theme Session we will be having next week
Karencreek Melson: what are the themes you are considering
stevenaia Michinaga: one on monday at 7:00 AM on "Playing with Boundries"
Puntuka Adzior: I need to find the best guru on SL
Puntuka Adzior: well one at least
stevenaia Michinaga: and Mine on Wednesday at 7:00 PM on Playing with Space
Karencreek Melson: what kind of boundaries, the ones that blind one to what is
stevenaia Michinaga: if you join the Friends of Play as Being group you should get a notice
Karencreek Melson: or the ones we maintain between ourselves and other beings
stevenaia Michinaga: I am not sure, the possibilities could be a range of boundries
Puntuka Adzior: I think they are refering to the concept
stevenaia Michinaga: the themes begin with a 20 minute dialgue between two or three people, then the group contributes
Puntuka Adzior: and how it pertains to your path
Karencreek Melson: boundaries are made to be broken
stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect each person will bring their own concepts of boundries to discuss
Puntuka Adzior: yes but unless they are large enough the impact on the next will not be as effective
stevenaia Michinaga: the boundries?
Puntuka Adzior: yes
Karencreek Melson: the biggest boundaries are those that constrict us to thinking what we think is what is
--BELL--
Puntuka Adzior: I only concieve
Puntuka Adzior: I know not what is
Puntuka Adzior: only what could be
Karencreek Melson: creativity gives birth to what can be
Karencreek Melson: without knowing
Karencreek Melson: in advance what it is
Karencreek Melson: but it already exists
Puntuka Adzior: that is right in more ways than i believe u understand
Karencreek Melson: I dont try to undersatnd
Karencreek Melson: it comes to me
Karencreek Melson: and I rather be being
stevenaia Michinaga: Playing with Boundries will hopefully bring new meanings of boundries to each of us
Karencreek Melson: it does
stevenaia Michinaga: but Punktuka, how could you not know what is, you can't know what could be
Puntuka Adzior: my bounderies are massive
Karencreek Melson: smiles
Karencreek Melson: what was the other theme
Karencreek Melson: ?
stevenaia Michinaga: much to learn from boundries, they define....
stevenaia Michinaga: Space
Puntuka Adzior: *seen
Karencreek Melson: I am listening
Puntuka Adzior: what to me?
Karencreek Melson: grins
Karencreek Melson: to what is here
Puntuka Adzior: what would you like to know
stevenaia Michinaga: actually this place was construction for listening
Puntuka Adzior: oh it's not for open discussion
Karencreek Melson: listening enables one to transcend boundaries
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, listening to discussion
stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes just listening brings up much to discuss
Karencreek Melson: it allow one's internal dialogue to observed
Karencreek Melson: by the listener
Karencreek Melson: they can think ahead then
Karencreek Melson: to new ideas for them
Puntuka Adzior: do you know of any influecial hindi gurus
Karencreek Melson: no
Karencreek Melson: on my own path
Puntuka Adzior: on sl at that
stevenaia Michinaga: are you Hindu
Puntuka Adzior: no
Karencreek Melson: I am a human being
Karencreek Melson: just that
Karencreek Melson: nothing more
Karencreek Melson: nothing less
Puntuka Adzior: I am something in likeness
Karencreek Melson: that is warm for me to know
stevenaia Michinaga: what is ": I am something in likeness"
Puntuka Adzior: I feel threatened by that statement
Puntuka Adzior: or question
Puntuka Adzior: no offense
stevenaia Michinaga: consider it withdrawn
stevenaia Michinaga: I seek clearity when I don't understand soemthing, that's all
stevenaia Michinaga: not meant to threaten
Puntuka Adzior: well I feel like the work laid out in the hindi traditional history fits for me but I am not completely hindi I am something new but the same
Puntuka Adzior: I can't begin to open this book right now
stevenaia Michinaga: that is interesting as I feel similarly with aspects of the Daoist tradition
stevenaia Michinaga: but only what I have been preliminarilly exposed to here and sme readings
stevenaia Michinaga: strange how paths find you in life
Karencreek Melson: all connected, the past present and future are in ever moment
stevenaia Michinaga: things you many have never even heard of all of a sudden make sence for you
Karencreek Melson: connectecd
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: then it's ..hmmm, someone already thought of that... a very long time ago
Karencreek Melson: smiles
--BELL--
Karencreek Melson: valid experience is welcome anytime
Puntuka Adzior: I am specifically afraid of my future and the loss i will sustain
Karencreek Melson: the price one pays for awareness
Puntuka Adzior: yes
Karencreek Melson: is extistential anxiety
stevenaia Michinaga: what do you see
Puntuka Adzior: I feel blessed tho
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Puntuka Adzior: I cannot tell you my future
Karencreek Melson: why spoil fun
Karencreek Melson: grins
Puntuka Adzior: bounderies
stevenaia Michinaga: is that why you are afraid?
stevenaia Michinaga: you said you see loss?
Puntuka Adzior: the solitude does have an effect to that
Karencreek Melson: being alone cuts down on distractions
Karencreek Melson: from what one is
Puntuka Adzior: very
stevenaia Michinaga: I must step away fro a few minutes, please continue
Puntuka Adzior: Me and my daughter are new being to this world
Karencreek Melson: go on
Puntuka Adzior: I have to pioneer stuff for many years far more than you can imagine that you cannot stop
Karencreek Melson: go on
Puntuka Adzior: My inforamtion on passing knowledge is not complete to continue would be reckless and irresponsible
Karencreek Melson: one can pass on what they can pass on
Puntuka Adzior: it's not that simple
Karencreek Melson: oh yes it is
Puntuka Adzior: no it's not
Puntuka Adzior: not for me
Karencreek Melson: it is impossible to pass on the whole of experience
Karencreek Melson: with just words
Karencreek Melson: as most want to
Puntuka Adzior: no far from immpossibl;e
Karencreek Melson: you feel it is possible?
Puntuka Adzior: I know of it
Puntuka Adzior: some people who practice it are refered to as hypnotist
Karencreek Melson: I hope you suceed
Puntuka Adzior: me too failure sucks
Puntuka Adzior: cuz then I gotta start anew
Karencreek Melson: smiles
Karencreek Melson: you should learn from failuare
Karencreek Melson: that is not starting anew
Karencreek Melson: that is restrating with new information
stevenaia Michinaga: back
Karencreek Melson: wb
Puntuka Adzior: learning comes from experience
Puntuka Adzior: not failure
Karencreek Melson: grins
Karencreek Melson: experience is learning from failure
Karencreek Melson: one must not suceed each time
Puntuka Adzior: not exactly
Puntuka Adzior: sun zhu said it best
Puntuka Adzior: a conquering warrior wins then goes to war, and a defeated warrior goes to war expecting to win
Karencreek Melson: I have to go
Karencreek Melson: and all points of view
Karencreek Melson: have validity
stevenaia Michinaga: night Karencreek
stevenaia Michinaga: nice meeting you
Karencreek Melson: nite
Puntuka Adzior: i mean take it up with sun zhu is what I say
stevenaia Michinaga: I must go too Puntuka
Puntuka Adzior: peace
Karencreek Melson: thank you each for sharing your time with me
stevenaia Michinaga: getting late here
Karencreek Melson: may peace be with you both
Puntuka Adzior: ok I will retire to my island
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to meet you too Puntuka
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