2010.11.22 19:00 - Tsk, Tsk.

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by Blissful Badger (free Aphrodite!), Brian (relatively new to PaB), myself, Stevenaia, Hana, Rosecrucian (new to PaB), Paradise, and Calvino. We chatted for a while pleasantly but aimlessly, until Calvino brings a topic and serves it on the table….

Brian Roop: hi blissful
Blissful Badger: Hello Brian
Blissful Badger: GTSY
Brian Roop: sorry, what's gtsy?
Blissful Badger: I'm here on behalf of Aphrodite
Blissful Badger: Good to see you!
Blissful Badger: GTSY
Brian Roop: ah
Blissful Badger: How are you? It's a chilly day here in Vancouver
Blissful Badger: -4 C
Brian Roop: it's been a beautiful mild day here in Maryland

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Blissful, Hi Brian :)
Brian Roop: hi sophia
Blissful Badger: Sophia - hello!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Aph still isn't free Blissful?!/!
Blissful Badger: How was your day? Still love your job?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: Today was good, nice and warmish
Blissful Badger: No I'm afraid not. I keep emailing the Linden labbers but with no response
SophiaSharon Larnia: oooh :(
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia
Brian Roop: hi stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Sophi, Bliss and Brian
Blissful Badger: Hey Steve
SophiaSharon Larnia: Are you new to play as being Brian?
Blissful Badger: lovely as ever steve
Brian Roop: relatively, been here for a couple of sessions
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, thank you, still rooting for you Alt
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok so you know about the log, just need to check :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: and gave permission etc
Brian Roop: how?
Hana Furlough: Hi everyone!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Hana!
Blissful Badger: Hi Hana. GTSY
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Hana
SophiaSharon Larnia: we publish our chats here on this site: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
Brian Roop: yes i'm aware of that
Blissful Badger: makes interesting reading
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok :))
Blissful Badger: what was your day like Hana?
Hana Furlough: Busy, busy. And you, Bliss?
Blissful Badger: sorry hana
Blissful Badger: not too busy - trying to get my Aphrodite back
Hana Furlough: yeah how's that going?
Blissful Badger: slowly. It's like talking to the Wizard of Oz
Blissful Badger: :-)
Brian Roop: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles - that sounds like something some of us may be attempting to do
Brian Roop: that's a good one
Hana Furlough: ha
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps you and Bruce should write a blog about that, help others find the most direct path to the Lindens
Blissful Badger: When I find that path, maybe I will
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Calvino
Brian Roop: hi calvino
Blissful Badger: Hey Cal
SophiaSharon Larnia: so the lindens are like an old man behind a curtain
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Cal
Hana Furlough: hello there cal : )
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening
stevenaia Michinaga: have you tried to ban yourself, see if that that works?
Blissful Badger: Ha ha
Brian Roop: why would you do that?
Blissful Badger: sounds extremely existential.
Hana Furlough: haha yeah
Hana Furlough: self-exile
Blissful Badger: Begone Aphrodite!!
stevenaia Michinaga: out friend Aphrodite is in limbo, unable to log on, or off or move, she just sits there
stevenaia Michinaga: for weeks now
Blissful Badger: But I'm already gone!
stevenaia Michinaga: trying to figure out a way to unstick her
Brian Roop: ????
Blissful Badger: Outside the Kira cafe. Languishing in a cloud
stevenaia Michinaga: a SL issue Brian
Brian Roop: yes
Brian Roop: "unstick here" was what puzzled me
Brian Roop: until the typo was corrected
stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose it could be equivalent to an SL coma
Brian Roop: can she be communicated with?
Blissful Badger: he he
Hana Furlough: lol, steve!
stevenaia Michinaga: she IM'd me from where I do not know
Blissful Badger: Yes. That would be me.
Blissful Badger: Talk to the Bliss
stevenaia Michinaga: but Aph did respond to IM's
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Rosecrucian
Hana Furlough: Hi Rose

--BELL--

Brian Roop: hi rosecrician
stevenaia Michinaga: it does give a new view to SL conciousness
Blissful Badger: No, you would have to send IMs to Blissful Badger
Rosecrucian Roeth: Hello
Blissful Badger: Hello Rose
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rosecrucian
Rosecrucian Roeth: I am new here and will rather take my time to feel my way around. so to speak.
SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome Rosecrucian, I'll Im you about our group :)
Blissful Badger: Welcome Rose
Rosecrucian Roeth: Thank you. SophiaSharon
Brian Roop: if you rt click on the cushion you might be more comfortable
Blissful Badger: You can also become a member if you want.
Brian Roop: not the tiny one, you don't qualify
Blissful Badger: ? tinies sit on the tiny cushion
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Paradise
Blissful Badger: Just move over one
Brian Roop: he's not a bit tiny
Paradise Tennant: smiles and waves all round :)
Blissful Badger: Hey Paradise
Hana Furlough: ha
Brian Roop: hi paradise
Hana Furlough: Hi Para
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Paradise :))
Blissful Badger: The Poster behind me says free Aphrodite. if you would like a Free Aphrodite T shirt please ask me or Sophia
Blissful Badger: Free
Paradise Tennant: hello hana brian blissful sophia stevenaia calvino and rose :) good to see everyone .. big crowd tonight :)
Blissful Badger: Yes. Very nice and cosy
Hana Furlough: yeah really nice turnout
SophiaSharon Larnia: whoa, just shrunk the chat screen, where did all these avatars come from lolol
Hana Furlough: lol
Paradise Tennant: smiles I do that alot have a big chat screen easier to read :) then am surprised :)
Brian Roop: the sky like we always do
Blissful Badger: wonder why this is a good time for most people
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe yea

Now what do we talk about?

Rosecrucian Roeth: I do get a feeling of ... not sure what......maybe no one wants to get started, everyone maybe unsure of where to start?
Blissful Badger: just after dinner or just before
Rosecrucian Roeth: Where are we right now?
Hana Furlough: right!
SophiaSharon Larnia: sometimes need just a little topic, but silence is ok too :)
Brian Roop: nowhere really
Blissful Badger: We need a topic of discussion. Sometimes it hard to begin one
Brian Roop: in terms of discussion
Rosecrucian Roeth: Silence I do appreciate, and sometimes it is needed, yet among those who are interested maybe silence is rather too quiet?
Blissful Badger: Is there anyting that is on someone's mind they would like to talk about
SophiaSharon Larnia: Roseecrucian, I need to let you know, that we record our chats, and post them on the wiki link that I gave you, is that ok with you??
Rosecrucian Roeth: Hey, if I did not want anything I say here posted anywhere, I would not say it. I am OK with that.
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok thanks

A topic emerges, although I’m ashamed I didn’t guess it.

Calvino Rabeni: I have a topic in mind, one intimate to every human, but that no one likes to talk about
Calvino Rabeni: Any guesses what it is? :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: when I first came to play as being, silence was the last thing i wanted around people
Blissful Badger: our body?
Calvino Rabeni: MMM close
stevenaia Michinaga: your body?
SophiaSharon Larnia: waits in anticipation
Calvino Rabeni: Other guesses?
Blissful Badger: our mind?
Paradise Tennant: listens and smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Blissful Badger: do we all believe in it?
Calvino Rabeni: Well everyone loves to talk about mind, at least around here
SophiaSharon Larnia: true
Hana Furlough: ha
Calvino Rabeni: nope, that's not it :)
Blissful Badger: that's true! and body for that matter
Brian Roop shifts uneasily, tiring of this game
Blissful Badger throws up her hands
SophiaSharon Larnia: is it an object or a subject?
Blissful Badger: or a mineral?
Paradise Tennant: mineral animal or vegetable :)
Calvino Rabeni: Did you eat your hands, Blissful?
Rosecrucian Roeth: Your sanity?
Calvino Rabeni: No if no one can guess, the topic I had in mind is SHAME
Blissful Badger: why do you say that Cal?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah
Blissful Badger: shame and what generates it...?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea not many want to fess up that one
Rosecrucian Roeth: Shame is personal, yet ??
Blissful Badger: Is shame the same as guilt?
Paradise Tennant: blinks .. guilt's kin :) i think
stevenaia Michinaga: runs to Wikipidia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame
Calvino Rabeni: I found some useful talks on the subject
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQiFf...eature=related
Calvino Rabeni: which is getting some scientific study
Calvino Rabeni: finally
Rosecrucian Roeth: Perhaps kin, yet not not so sure.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Blissful Badger: wonder what prompted the study now and why it took so long
Calvino Rabeni: SO the topic of Empathy is nearly the same topic
SophiaSharon Larnia: shame of it?

--BELL--

Brian Roop: as shame?
Rosecrucian Roeth: Shame is one that is put upon one and guilt is what one puts upon oneself.
Calvino Rabeni: and people are willing to talk some about that in an abstract way because it isn't so painful -- it sounds good
Rosecrucian Roeth: Please, let me hear someone either dispute me or agree with me. Is this not what this is for?
Brian Roop: i think it's the opposite
SophiaSharon Larnia: we agree or not agree, hopefully its said respectfully
Brian Roop: in my experience shame comes out of difference from the norm, preceived or real
Calvino Rabeni: ON that video, shame and empathy are opposite ends of a phenomenon
Brian Roop: guilt comes from the accusation of others, spoken or unspoken
Rosecrucian Roeth: Shame is not that which we must endure, wlthough we may put ourselves in that p[osition. shame is public condemnation of those who are different.
Calvino Rabeni: it is about vulnerability, authenticity, and connection
Calvino Rabeni: so shame is the feeling that one is not worthy to be connected with other humans
SophiaSharon Larnia: ive had a person feel a should be shameful and another try to place feelings of guilt on me
Calvino Rabeni: and humans are all about being connected with each other
Hana Furlough: must dash off to the airport to fetch my cousing
Blissful Badger: Shame might be smethin inflicted on an individual by soiety
Calvino Rabeni: shame would be the fear of being closed from connection, because of not being worthy
Hana Furlough: a good night to all!
Paradise Tennant: safe drive hana :)
Calvino Rabeni: :) Hana
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok Hana, be careful, although the moon is nice and bright for you tonight :)
Brian Roop: good night
Blissful Badger: yes- like the big red A for adultuery
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is red though isnt it!
stevenaia Michinaga: cultures use shame to dis-associate prople who have nor conformed
Brian Roop: or a body that works differently
Calvino Rabeni: When ones authenticities and imperfections are accepted, there's connection and empathy
Calvino Rabeni: or when they are not accepted, shame
Blissful Badger: socity imposing its values
Rosecrucian Roeth: Sophia, I think the position you should take is what you think of yourself, and then proceed to compare that to what they think. yet you must realize that your opinion must be your ouwn and not that of others.
Brian Roop: self-acceptance comes into it as well
stevenaia Michinaga: is there shame w/ self-accetance
Brian Roop: no, self-acceptance defeats shame
Paradise Tennant: something I think you grow out of
Paradise Tennant: shame
SophiaSharon Larnia thinks I can't know what anyone else thinks, not really
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, but who can truly stand apart and distinguish self-acceptance from acceptance by ones connected humans
Rosecrucian Roeth: Stenenaia......never! Self acceptance measn realization of who and what you really are based on your perspectice and not that of others.
Paradise Tennant: smiles at cal :) envisioning strings :)
Blissful Badger: it's about judging others or not judging others
stevenaia Michinaga: So Shame is never yours, it;s imposed by others?
Paradise Tennant: yes and judging is heavy and tiring and almost invariably poorly informed .. impossible to know .
SophiaSharon Larnia: judging against conceptual sticks
Calvino Rabeni: Its a great / simple short video, I think
stevenaia Michinaga: ...listening to it while we type
Brian Roop: guilt and shame are experienced personally, can't be imposed on or by others
Calvino Rabeni: and mentions another idea, defining the early meaning of courage
Calvino Rabeni: which is to be able to tell one's true story with heart
Rosecrucian Roeth: Shame is imposed buy others and reinforced by your own insecurities.
Paradise Tennant: hmm there are all kinds of courage
Calvino Rabeni: these words are sometimes regarded as being too "fuzzy" or something
Paradise Tennant: that is a topic that is a spark a light :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods I agree Paradise
Blissful Badger: I remember not feeling ashamed about something and being made to feel shameful.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
Rosecrucian Roeth: Finally, I have found a place where there is actual dialogue that actually makes sense!
Blissful Badger: The attitude came from someone else
Calvino Rabeni: So it seems
Paradise Tennant: group hug :) for all those unfortunate moments felt at the hands of the not clearly thinking ;)))
Brian Roop: need we accept shaming?
Blissful Badger: It's manipulative. Brainwashing
Rosecrucian Roeth: When we are born we have no preconceptions!
Calvino Rabeni: But people are social animals, willing to accept what their groups beliefs are
Calvino Rabeni: and take them on
SophiaSharon Larnia: ((Paradise))
stevenaia Michinaga remarks.......good thing we don't like talking about this Cal
Blissful Badger: Although psychopaths probably don't feel shame
Calvino Rabeni: hehe steve
Rosecrucian Roeth: One only needs to experience the "mob mentality" situation.
Brian Roop: no i have known murderers who have no guilt or shame
Blissful Badger: ahhh yes.
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is manipulation Blissful, but at the heart of it, in the heart of an individual person, I dont think is malignant
Blissful Badger: the psychopaths
Brian Roop: would tell bald faced lies without batting an eyelash
Blissful Badger: No. we are vulnerable and want to please and do the right thing. It's just so hard on one's self esteem to feel ashamed
SophiaSharon Larnia: i meant to be harmful
Calvino Rabeni: being independent of what one's group thinks, or completely unaffected, ... is that self-esteem or psychopathy?
Brian Roop: until we find our strengths
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb
Blissful Badger: good question Cal - wher is the dividing ine?
Calvino Rabeni: And one of the paths out of shame, is to tell one's story, and find it to be acceptable
Blissful Badger: line
Rosecrucian Roeth: Many (MANY) years ago I attended a "spiritual revival" in a sall touwn in Nova Scotia. It was held in a hockey rink which would house about 3,000 people. As the "minister' spoke I felst womethin I had neverf felt before , ans I hope I never feel again.
Blissful Badger: Billy Graham?
Blissful Badger: mass guilt trip
SophiaSharon Larnia wonders if Eos knows the place.
Brian Roop: i've had a like experience, in high school
Calvino Rabeni: @rose, I was listening to an evangelical on the TV at a barber shop while waiting
Rosecrucian Roeth: It was a feeling of becoming one with a great number of people, adn becoming not 1, but just a part of many,. adn losing your ability of being yourself.
Calvino Rabeni: and I could feel that coming over me
Blissful Badger: I'm ashamed to say I burned the vegetables. Must go and eat the remains
Brian Roop: therre are those who are very skilled at manipulating emotion
Calvino Rabeni: and being inducted into some shame that would compel me to go along with the preacher
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps, during the nexr 90 seconds we an meditate on shame, when where we came across it and play with that
Calvino Rabeni: it was very subtle

--BELL--

Blissful Badger: Many times, many ways
Rosecrucian Roeth: It was not Billy Graham, nor was it anyone you or I would recognize, yet because of the venur, and because of the "mob mentalty" I was overcome with a feeling I had never felt before and hope I nev er feel again.
Brian Roop wishes people would respect the 90 seconds
Rosecrucian Roeth: It was afeeling of becoming one with all those int he building adn being overwhelmed . I am very much an individual, probaly moreso than most, yet I was overwhelmed.
Rosecrucian Roeth: Sorry.
Calvino Rabeni: The moment of truth :) Reports of shame experiences or reflections?
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yuck :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hate to mention it :)
Brian Roop: i think there is a herd mentality among humans
Calvino Rabeni: Eeewww :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: shame is heavy
Calvino Rabeni: Personal reports?
Brian Roop: when one feels he can't pull his weight, shame sets in
Calvino Rabeni: (You first Cal) :)
Calvino Rabeni: #1 - being currenty low income - its hard to shake
Rosecrucian Roeth: Whether we like or not, we are who we are and there are certain traits we have that many of would prefer we would not have.
Brian Roop: or when one feels he is out of step
Calvino Rabeni: #2 - using lots of resources, plundering the planet
Brian Roop: that is what the emotion manipulators do, like that preacher
Calvino Rabeni: Those are the 2 that popped into my awareness during the reflective break
Blissful Badger: realizing I've hurt someone
Calvino Rabeni: Nods --- yes me too :)
Brian Roop: i'll go along with that
stevenaia Michinaga: A Childhood moment where out of stupidity on my part (throwing something at someone)and not admitting to it (a lie) .... shame still rides on my shoulder, and from that I have learned much
SophiaSharon Larnia: my shame of being lazy
Calvino Rabeni raises hand on that :)
Rosecrucian Roeth: No matter how much we try not to, we do things that we do regret latre, yet we are not hte worse for it, we are, after all, humasn, and we can do our best ot contradict that which we do not like about ourselves.
Brian Roop: that's guilt, which engenders shame
stevenaia Michinaga: and hoping to lear something from that Rose
stevenaia Michinaga: *learn
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it seems, no easy answer, like telling oneself affirmation ideas such as "by golly I'm worth it"
Calvino Rabeni: I don't feel it can be dealt with as if it were an idea locked up inside an individual
Calvino Rabeni: because its so much about connection with other humans
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, was going to say its locked up in many, as a group think kind of thing
Rosecrucian Roeth: I do remember a time in my childhood in which a neighbour had their son commit suicide and I know that he was what we wopuld today call a nerd, and he was not accepted into the circle of kids in our neighbourhood.
Rosecrucian Roeth: And I wonde rto this day how much that may have played a part.\
Calvino Rabeni: what the parents must have felt also shame
Brian Roop: suicide leaves many scarred victims in its wake
Rosecrucian Roeth: Don't know about that CAlvino, that was int he 50's and it was so much different that today or even the 70's, 80's, or 90's.
stevenaia Michinaga: now they call it Bullying and arrest you
Rosecrucian Roeth: I do have trouble eith my typing, what eh?
Paradise Tennant: smiles eh:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: no prob Rosecrucian, join the club
stevenaia Michinaga: no shame, they are sued to bad typing by the example I ahve set :)
Calvino Rabeni: I also liked that the researcher I cited, spoke about the related experiences that are positive - courage, compassion, and connection
stevenaia Michinaga: *used
Brian Roop: are we Canadian, eh?
Rosecrucian Roeth: Who me, eh? and a bluenose two!!
Calvino Rabeni: I'm *near* canada somewhat, so the eh's come over the border
Rosecrucian Roeth: ]Yeh, I have heard that Calvino.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i just hear it and start saying eh
Paradise Tennant: they are an a prevailing horde soon to wipe out ahh which would be a shame :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh yes it would eh
stevenaia Michinaga: aren't you part of that horde, PAradise?
Paradise Tennant: smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: I ave to go, have fun all. :)))
SophiaSharon Larnia: have*
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
Paradise Tennant: good nite sophia thank you :)
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Sophia
Calvino Rabeni: Bye SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Brian Roop: are bye
Rosecrucian Roeth: Yes, I must as well. Tomorrow beckons! I shall return?!
Rosecrucian Roeth: Alll have a good evening.
Calvino Rabeni: Fly well Rose
stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to join us w/ such energy
Paradise Tennant: waves and to you :)
Blissful Badger: back
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Bliss
Blissful Badger: fast dinner

--BELL--

Blissful Badger: have you resolved shame?
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Brian
Calvino Rabeni: What could it mean for shame to be resolved?
stevenaia Michinaga: letting go of it
Calvino Rabeni: to become a psychopath? :)
stevenaia Michinaga: was jsut thinking why would you hold on to shame
Blissful Badger: understanding what causes it?
Calvino Rabeni: Well to consider it an individual choice might imply an added fault or imperfection to a person
Calvino Rabeni: "get over it!"
Calvino Rabeni: Understanding - yes I think that helps
stevenaia Michinaga: heh, like getting over a lost love, telling someone to do it never works
Blissful Badger: Right. But others might think shame was an appropriate response
Calvino Rabeni: maybe not the kind of knowledge that would resolve or make it disapear
Blissful Badger: I think some politicias should feel shame.
Calvino Rabeni: heheh
Blissful Badger: politicians
Calvino Rabeni: I'd hope
Calvino Rabeni: and you know, I bet they actually do
Calvino Rabeni: secretly
Blissful Badger: or generals in the miltary who act irresponsibly
Blissful Badger: or corporations...
stevenaia Michinaga: or they are psychopaths, right?
Calvino Rabeni: numbing these painful emotions, being inauthentic
Blissful Badger: the list is endless.
Blissful Badger: Perhaps greed sort of takes over, or fear, or ambition
Calvino Rabeni: is to also numb other emotions people may like to have to feel fully alive
Blissful Badger: I wonder whethe r the truth and reconciliation comision in SA. got people to feel ashamed
Blissful Badger: would they feel ashamed but then repeat the same kind of acts?
stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose this gets to the question of ... when you "KNOW" you are right, what if someone else belives you are not, and they are right too
Calvino Rabeni: shame breeds fear, blame, disconnection
Paradise Tennant: and awareness of one's actions from another perspective
Blissful Badger: it may also breed kind action and asking for forgiveness
Paradise Tennant: as you said not always a bad thing
Calvino Rabeni: it seems to me that shame can be seen as a teacher or guardian
Calvino Rabeni: yes Bliss
Blissful Badger: it is a tool, an emotional tool
Calvino Rabeni: that's what I was thinking
Blissful Badger: snap!
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, shame carries with it important memories
Blissful Badger: that can work for good or bad
stevenaia Michinaga: allows humility to rise
Blissful Badger: yes. memories of feeling ashamed in the past. a horrid feeling
Blissful Badger: can lead to self hatred
Paradise Tennant: we learn most from our mistakes not our success .. shame is a natural reaction :) can be positive no debilitating when I do something I am not happy with I simply do not do it again :)
Calvino Rabeni: and recognizing the values of connection, by starkly feeling its absence
Blissful Badger: what makes you ashamd of what you have done? your own consience or someone else?
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: who can separate that
Calvino Rabeni: ?
stevenaia Michinaga: usually a combination
Paradise Tennant: hmm usually a light comes on within :)
Calvino Rabeni: it could be said to be part of the "social mind" that's in everyhone
Paradise Tennant: a sense of oh that was wrong
Calvino Rabeni: *everyone
Paradise Tennant: smiles at cal
Blissful Badger: yes but more feeling than thinking
stevenaia Michinaga: wrongness is part of it
Calvino Rabeni: recent research is starting to use that paradigm more
Blissful Badger: which?
Calvino Rabeni: that we have two minds, and individual and a social one
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: and they work together, usually, and sometimes in conflict
Blissful Badger: can we separate them?
Calvino Rabeni: I don't think so,
stevenaia Michinaga: thought you were going to say feeling and thinking
Calvino Rabeni: or even if that would be worthwhile
Calvino Rabeni: but perhaps contemplation can distinguish how they interact
Blissful Badger: that would make sense steve
Calvino Rabeni: and when to trust one or the other
Blissful Badger: one feeling or the other?
Paradise Tennant: ahh trust another great topic .. the basic unit of our society .. the basic unit of our commerce .. the fabric of life
Blissful Badger: we rationalize what we do
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: trust and connection
Calvino Rabeni: social communication
Blissful Badger: we were talking about that earlier. the social lubricant of trust
Calvino Rabeni: these are fertile times for research into human nature
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, we were on a track like that
Blissful Badger: lots of manure
Paradise Tennant: indeed :) we live in interesting times who could ask for more :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles at blissful
Blissful Badger: who do you think is doing this research?
Calvino Rabeni: a lot about how the individuals e.g. in a value changing system like the civil rights movement were supported and encouraged in their actions by their relationships
Calvino Rabeni: all over the place, Bliss
Blissful Badger: social scientists/biologists?
Paradise Tennant: sigh well I am going to trundle .. eyes are getting heavy .. dog is gazing expectantly :)

--BELL--

Blissful Badger: walkies? I'm gone too. Hugs all round
Calvino Rabeni: Linguists, social media studies, psychologists, neurophysiologists ...it's quite interdisciplinary
Paradise Tennant: good nite all :) namaste my friends :)
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Bliss and Paradise :)
Blissful Badger: Wish I were younger and could start again!
Calvino Rabeni: (two excellent names)
Blissful Badger: night all
Calvino Rabeni: Same, Bliss
stevenaia Michinaga: night cal
stevenaia Michinaga: good typic
Paradise Tennant: big wave :) thank you all :) great conversation :)
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks everyone
Calvino Rabeni: You were right Stevenaia :)
Calvino Rabeni: PaB DID like to talk about that topic :)