The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Riddle


Riddle Sideways: good morning ARch and Koya
Archmage Atlantis: :)
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Freud Jungsten: Heya.
     There is a big poster that says "Free Aphrodite" in the pavillion.
Riddle Sideways: I went to see if wisps of aph were still there
Riddle Sideways: Hi Freud
Riddle Sideways forgets time zone freud might be in
Archmage Atlantis: Any report on that, Riddle?
Freud Jungsten: Central US.
Riddle Sideways: nope, rez cloud is still there
Archmage Atlantis: I see the sign is down tho
Riddle Sideways: ok, Good morning
Archmage Atlantis: Ah well
Freud Jungsten: THanks...
Freud Jungsten: brb
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the sun has been up a couple of hours now here
Riddle Sideways: just up here
Archmage Atlantis: The bottom of FL is under the midwest states, so we're a late east coast time zone
Archmage Atlantis: You're in CA, Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: the pan handle
Riddle Sideways: yes, I CA. you pan handle?
Archmage Atlantis: No, Ft Myers, west coast of FL
Archmage Atlantis: FL is at an angle to the east coast
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: good morning Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Arch! and Riddle and Freud!
Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone know if Aph has been freed yet?
Bruce Mowbray: If so, I'll need to take down the poster.
Riddle Sideways: just checked
Riddle Sideways: rez cloud is still there
Bruce Mowbray: OK. Thanks, Riddle.
Riddle Sideways: how long did it take to free you?
Bruce Mowbray: five days.
Bruce Mowbray: So Aph should be looking at parole pretty soon.
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Freud Jungsten: Back
Riddle Sideways: wb
Bruce Mowbray: wb, Freud.
Freud Jungsten: NOt heard of that SL glitch before..
Freud Jungsten: Sort of amuzing if you are not on the receiving end though... smiles
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah, it's a technical thing -- something to do with completing the loggin out process - -
Bruce Mowbray: But totally out of the operator's control.
Bruce Mowbray: It's an SL gritch.
Riddle Sideways: software is as software does
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Freud Jungsten: There are things about SL that are new tech... so they come upon never seen be foe issues I bet.

Archmage Atlantis: This morning, my icon and my menu item for SL had disappeared...I've started allowing 30 minutes to deal with all the issues with my PCs and with SL before any meetings in SL
Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
Freud Jungsten: wow..
Riddle Sideways: good approach
Archmage Atlantis: Almost like having to shave, shower and dress still *g*
Freud Jungsten: SL is far more stable for me than that.
Bruce Mowbray: You mean the icon on your desktop, Arch?
Riddle Sideways: use to call it the criticallity circuits
Freud Jungsten: I had two AVs die before.
Riddle Sideways: the more critical an operation the more it will fail
Freud Jungsten: lol... Painful sounding.
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, it wasn't an SL thing, just a PC thing.....probably caused by overnite updates to software.
Bruce Mowbray: scary, huh. . . . when one considers how much of our lives is made "functional" via software.
Freud Jungsten: Ah... that can certainly change things around on you.
Archmage Atlantis: The same thing happens in tech dependent companies as happens in hospitals, the problem happen over the weekend and holidays, then show up the first day back to work
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Archmage Atlantis: Weekend are the time for major software installations and part time crews....of course I can't blame my own PC issues on that :)
Riddle Sideways: Tuesday is the Microsoff night to reboot your computer
Freud Jungsten: It does get i bit sily sometimes with al the patches.
Archmage Atlantis: Hmmmm, well I was silent in text.....somehow tho typing away in the silence isn't quite the way I meant to go
Bruce Mowbray: Really, Riddle? I didn't know that -- about Tuesday nights.
Freud Jungsten: I have never really paid attentiong.
Bruce Mowbray: So, should one keep the computer on all night on Tuesday? or be sure to turn it off? . . . which?
Freud Jungsten: But I do try to come into the office Sunday evening after a long time away to make sure things are working for the boss at least.
Riddle Sideways: we have a laptop in bedroom. I can hear it almost every wednesday
Archmage Atlantis: Interesting question Bruce.......turning it off may miss critical updates, leaving it on uses energy......
Bruce Mowbray: Hm m m m .. also wondering if these updates are just for Windows 7 - or also for the prior versions.
Riddle Sideways: no, ms will update you next time it gets started
Archmage Atlantis: Makes sense, Freud........does he/she know you do that?.....My staff used to do things for me that I didn't realize.
Riddle Sideways: has been happening since 98
Riddle Sideways: or maybe 2000
Bruce Mowbray: yes, that's how I've always done it - wait for MS to offer updates and then pick and choose which ones I want.
Riddle Sideways: oh, I am my own staff
Freud Jungsten: Yes he knows.....
Archmage Atlantis: Me too, nowadays, ....my own staff I mean
Freud Jungsten: But I do it more for my sake.... if he starts trying to do it himself.. he messes everything up then I have to spend hours unscrewing it.
Riddle Sideways: typical boss
Archmage Atlantis: Yep, that is what they used to tell me also *g*
Freud Jungsten: And I am not in the office in the mornings.

Bruce Mowbray: I just thought of an irony -- before coming here I bought a Na'vi loin cloth (for the Art of Being project), and it occurred to me that the movie that required the most sophistocated software animations, etc. was also depicting the glories of indigenous tribal living (NO software!). Mmmm. . . ironic.
Bruce Mowbray: VATAR, of course.
Bruce Mowbray: Avatar, sry.
Archmage Atlantis: good point, Bruce :)
Freud Jungsten: Saw part of that on Video.... striking to look at.. but a fair ripoff of well used stroy lines.
Archmage Atlantis: I'm glad we can't see the wires anymore *g*
Freud Jungsten: I am glad it wa moving for a lot of folks though.
Riddle Sideways: flip side: movie about grids of computers (Matrix)did not use as many to make

Bruce Mowbray: I want to thank you, Arch, for turning me on to the Transhumanist blogs -- especially the Space Collective and The Total LIbrary -- some amazing mind-moving ideas, there.
Freud Jungsten: That is sorta funny.
Freud Jungsten: What are those?
Freud Jungsten: brb
Archmage Atlantis: I'm glad you found them interesting
Bruce Mowbray: Those are websites where the ideas of using technology to enhance human life are discussed - - - and they are extremely well done, in most cases.
Archmage Atlantis: Separating the wheat from the chaff on the web is important to me.........Not much wheat and lots of chaff
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: for sure!
Bruce Mowbray: I've not yet read this article on longevity, but it looks good -- so here's a link to that blog:
Bruce Mowbray: http://spacecollective.org/Wildcat/6...Aubrey-De-Grey
Bruce Mowbray: Especially timely for me, because I will be spending Thanksgiving with a 96-year-olf friend... whom I've known for more than half of my own life.
Bruce Mowbray: 96-year-old*
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Freud Jungsten: More than 4 times older than me... smiles. .. THis article could be interesting.
Riddle Sideways: well it happened again. one quick sentence here.
Bruce Mowbray: I just skimmed it -- it deals with love among persons whose life-span could be hundreds of years long.
Riddle Sideways: and I now will spend days reading more articles
Archmage Atlantis: What happened Riddle?
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, ok
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) -- Yes, that's how it works, Riddle - - - - Amazing how networking can take one into previously unimagined worlds.
Freud Jungsten: Or make you aware of them at least.

Freud Jungsten: I don't see myself going down that thought path.... but it is interesting to know others are.
Archmage Atlantis: It is difficult to not be cliched when responding to comments on age differences.......
Bruce Mowbray: Here's a blog that Arch turned me on to --- that has a broader spectrum of topics -- and it is really wonderful to pick and choose among them:
Freud Jungsten: OK
Archmage Atlantis: I can't imagine the difference in perspective for someone who is even 200 years old
Bruce Mowbray: http://spacecollective.org/projects/The-Total-Library
Archmage Atlantis: much less some of the time spans being discussed as possible
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Arch, especially when it comes to erotic loving -- which, I think, Was the focus of that previous article I cited.
Archmage Atlantis: Plus, with the notion that the body will be able to remain youn
Freud Jungsten: I find it interesting that you find that interesting to think about.
Archmage Atlantis: *young
        Then we talk of what do you read
Archmage Atlantis: That's probably just the effect of being a scifi buff as a young person
Bruce Mowbray: Not to be telling tales out of school, here, but my nonagenarian friend was sexually "active" into his early 90's -- and that was without technological enhancements. . . .
Freud Jungsten: I find Scifi very unstimulating.
Archmage Atlantis: Heinlein and Asimov both tackled those notions
Freud Jungsten: But that is just me.
Bruce Mowbray: I love science fiction. . . .
Freud Jungsten: I don't see the point.. lol
Freud Jungsten: But to each their own.
Archmage Atlantis: Do you like fiction of any sort Freud?
Freud Jungsten: I like old style horror and some poetery....
Freud Jungsten: But more historical fiction.
Archmage Atlantis: Film, or books or both?
Freud Jungsten: Love Poe, PZ Bright.
Freud Jungsten: Dorothy Parker.
Freud Jungsten: Poetry.
Bruce Mowbray: I once met Harlan Ellison, Ray Bradbury, and Frank Herbert -- all at the same California Teachers of English conference at Disneyland - spring of 1971.
Freud Jungsten: PReffer to read really.
Freud Jungsten: Zitkala Sa.
Freud Jungsten: SOme other Native writers.
Bruce Mowbray: I love historical fiction, too. Mary Renault. . .
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, once you said Dorothy Parker, I knew it was books.......hard to put her works into film :)
Bruce Mowbray: Have you read When the Legends Die, by Hal Borland, Freud?
Freud Jungsten: lol
Freud Jungsten: No, not familure with that.

Freud Jungsten:
        Razors pain you;
        Rivers are damp;
        Acids stain you;
        And drugs cause cramp.
        Guns aren't lawful;
        Nooses give;
        Gas smells awful;
        You might as well live.

Bruce Mowbray: a powerful story about a young "native American" returning to "find himself" in the tribal ways of his ancestors.
Freud Jungsten: Dorothy Parker -- Resume.... smiles
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: :) - A poem of survival
Freud Jungsten: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin...sed&tag=public∂=all
Freud Jungsten: From Zitkala-Sa (Redbird)
        --BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: ty, I will read it, Freud
Freud Jungsten: Need to start my day really... my only class was cancelled so I can craw into the office whenever.... take care all.
Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
Archmage Atlantis: Bye Freud
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Freud. Good to talk with you agin. Be well.
Riddle Sideways: bye Freud
Bruce Mowbray: again
Riddle Sideways: had thought Lazarus Long was 1000 years but wikipedia says somewhere around 250
Riddle Sideways: old
Riddle Sideways: darn factual info
Archmage Atlantis: Ummm, I'm sure much older than 250
Archmage Atlantis: Heinlein took the character through many novels and generations
Archmage Atlantis: Tho, I'd have to look back at the last novel to be sure
Bruce Mowbray: Was Stranger in a Strange Land one of the Lazarus Long novels?
Archmage Atlantis: Yes
Bruce Mowbray: I grok.
Archmage Atlantis: ouch
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Riddle Sideways: no, Lazarus was not in stranger in a strange land
Archmage Atlantis: All the recent tv and movie work is sprinkled with stuff that was created prior to 2000
Riddle Sideways: darn those fast factual info sites... say he appeared in 5 novels
Archmage Atlantis: Even HGTV talks about "mid-century modern" as a style that is returning.......the 50s and 60s reborn
Bruce Mowbray: Like the Ray Bradbury stuff? -- Martian Chronicles, etc.
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, let me look Riddle.....I can't remember all the books in he was in
Riddle Sideways: Time enough for Love
Bruce Mowbray: Frank Herbert's DUNE series dealt with issues we face in RL today -- ecology, of course, topping the list.
Riddle Sideways: tv and movie writers run out of new ideas so think we can have the same ol stuff again
Bruce Mowbray: I recently saw a science fiction adaptation of HAMLET -- staring Ethan Hawke as the young prince - - very well done movie, indeed.
Bruce Mowbray: Folks, I'm going to find a sandbox now -- gotta try on my new Na'vi loincloth.
Bruce Mowbray: May you both have a happy day.
Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks bruce. have a happy
Archmage Atlantis: I appreciate a new twist on an old theme.....plus young people haven't seen some of the original works
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Archmage Atlantis: Take care Bruce......I'm going to depart also......take care also, Riddle.....later
Riddle Sideways: I need to too. bye and thanks