The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Greetings, Upcoming Retreats, Skinning Avatars

Bleu Oleander: hi Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Bleu, Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: Such a vivid dress!
Paradise Tennant: smiles hello :)
Paradise Tennant: yes colour therapy :)
Bleu Oleander: beautiful Paradise!
Eos Amaterasu: like a bird of paradise!
Bleu Oleander: I've been working on my "skin" presentation :)
Bleu Oleander: for my "class" on thursday
Eos Amaterasu: Ah...
Eos Amaterasu: there's more than one way to skin an avatar :-)
Bleu Oleander: exactly
Eos Amaterasu: I will try to attend
Bleu Oleander: great
Bleu Oleander: also looked at Seattle trip .... you can put me down as a possible :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: there are so many great retreats this year ..
Paradise Tennant: they all sound great :)
Bleu Oleander: yes
Bleu Oleander: hi Lila
Eos Amaterasu: and you, Paradise, are you intrigued by New Orleans gumbo of music?
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Bleu, Paradise, Eos :)
Paradise Tennant: and seattle and assisi :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Eos Amaterasu: Hi playful Lila!
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya lila :)
Eos Amaterasu: Topics, adventures, stories, sallies, puzzles, plays, ?
Lila Darkmatter: hmmm
Eos Amaterasu: Is your dog waiting to go for a walk, Paradise?
Bleu Oleander: mine are :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles ...no we are just in :) from a nice long walk crisp autumn night :)
Bleu Oleander: beautiful night here too
Eos Amaterasu: Here we've been soaking in rain for the last week
Lila Darkmatter can hear Bleu's dog in her imagination
Bleu Oleander: FINALLY cooled off here
Lila Darkmatter: 84* today here :)
Lila Darkmatter: F
Bleu Oleander: where is that?
Lila Darkmatter: Miami :)
Bleu Oleander: ah yes like Phoenix weather sort of
Lila Darkmatter: yes... nce and breezy ... actually near perfect
Lila Darkmatter: and green from rains before
Paradise Tennant: thinks of the coconut grove area and the palm trees :)
Eos Amaterasu: So a good time to be in Florida....

A theme sneaks its way in...

Lila Darkmatter: yes... ah and yes I've newly falling in love with Coconut Grove again

Eos Amaterasu imagines a grove of coconuts

--BELL--

Lila Darkmatter: hehe...here we are
Paradise Tennant: smiles there is a topic ... love .. falling ..out of into :) always makes me think of sky diving for some reason
Eos Amaterasu listens....
Bleu Oleander: hopefully with a soft landing :)
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: it is like somehow love transforms our vision of the world :)
Lila Darkmatter: out of in to, nice
Eos Amaterasu listens even more
Paradise Tennant: maybe it allows us to see with our hearts :)
Lila Darkmatter: to See
Eos Amaterasu: "I see you with my heart"
Paradise Tennant: thinks of Rumi and the film Avatar .. "I see you"
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eos Amaterasu: to see with the heart
Lila Darkmatter: ...a more underlying kind of seeing....
Paradise Tennant: listens
Eos Amaterasu: yes, you are held in the heart, as well as holding with heart
Bleu Oleander: nice concepts
Lila Darkmatter: would 'seein with the heart' then be 'direct' seeing?
Lila Darkmatter: 'the heart of the matter'
Paradise Tennant: well it also feels like an opening too .. doesn't it .. when you are centered in love ..
Eos Amaterasu: closer to seeing from that in which you are held
Bleu Oleander: love is blind??
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: are we held in love eos :) ?
Eos Amaterasu: in the moment of love, all is included: just openness
Lila Darkmatter: Being seeing :) implies letting go of seeing in a certain way perhaps....
Paradise Tennant: do you think the universe has some sort of primal code that includes love
Eos Amaterasu: primal energy
Eos Amaterasu: primal bounty
Eos Amaterasu: but what is love?
Paradise Tennant: smiles an embrace of oneness ?
Bleu Oleander: that's almost as hard as asking what is being
Lila Darkmatter: nature of reality...
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Eos Amaterasu: primal entanglement
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Eos Amaterasu: I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together
Paradise Tennant: smiles rumi ?
Eos Amaterasu: HI Cal
Lila Darkmatter: Hi Cal :) We're all in love tonight
Paradise Tennant: hiya cal :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Cal
Eos Amaterasu: btw, for upcoming 90 secs, "see with the heart"?
Lila Darkmatter: out of in to
Bleu Oleander: k
Calvino Rabeni: with each other?
Calvino Rabeni: good one

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant: smiles .. was seeing heart to heart with Blue :) love in a shared heart beat :)
Bleu Oleander: me too ... with Indi :)
Paradise Tennant: in a way .. when you try to describe it .. shared is the key element .. an embrace of oneness .. a joining ..
Eos Amaterasu thinks of a thesis title, "phenomenology of the moment of falling in love"
Paradise Tennant: a coming together .. that impacts .. all your senses
Eos Amaterasu: like one of those high energy physics experiments
Lila Darkmatter: Shared yes... doesn't imply intrusiveness or posession 'of' something and yet seems total
Eos Amaterasu: big bang
Eos Amaterasu: (maybe not :-)
Eos Amaterasu: touch and go are both inevitable, so it's sharing both
Eos Amaterasu: "a stranger in an open car"
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Eos Amaterasu: anything particular brought this up, Paradise?
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: ;) lila's falling in love with coconut grove sentence :)
Bleu Oleander: envisions two photons crashing at the speed of light :)
Paradise Tennant: a spark to topic everyone knows in their heart :) so can speak to :)
Eos Amaterasu: in you in love the whole world wakes to itself, or so it seems :-)
Paradise Tennant: often think the measure of love ..is that on the most profound level .. there is no loss because it is not borne of attachment just pure sharing :)
Lila Darkmatter: a sense of 'how could anything be lost?'
Calvino Rabeni: Yes it seems to have a feeling of eternity
Calvino Rabeni: you know - like - it's always been this way
Eos Amaterasu: but then you can, or do, have that pit in the stomach feeling of you could lose it
Lila Darkmatter: or lose sight of it...?
Bleu Oleander: that's the "black whole" part
Bleu Oleander: hi steve
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: hi
Lila Darkmatter: Hello Steve
Eos Amaterasu: there is that whole finitude of our lives thing
Eos Amaterasu: so there's always not just touch, but go

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: but also perhaps "beyond meeting or parting"
Lila Darkmatter: give up
Paradise Tennant: hiya steve :)
stevenaia Michinaga: evaning all
stevenaia Michinaga: evening
Paradise Tennant: we are talking of love :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmmm... smiles
Paradise Tennant: can you lose it ?
Paradise Tennant: if it truly is love ?
Eos Amaterasu: can you have it?
Calvino Rabeni: or be had by it
Bleu Oleander: does it exist to lose or have?
stevenaia Michinaga: as much as you can have or loose the fire of a candle
Calvino Rabeni: or to be "done" or "made"
Eos Amaterasu: truly love is but the sweetest bouquet of that that yet is
Eos Amaterasu: but we can get totally engulfed by it , too
stevenaia Michinaga: (blinded?
Paradise Tennant: hmm thinks love .. is a moment that is always there for the having ..for the sharing ..for the sensing .. :)
Eos Amaterasu: it is, but zipless love is rare, is it not?
stevenaia Michinaga: zipless?
Calvino Rabeni: reference to erica jong?
Eos Amaterasu mumbles something about Erica Jong
stevenaia Michinaga: off to wikiland
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: ie, love without attachment
stevenaia Michinaga: aww
Lila Darkmatter: love from the 'inside out'
Lila Darkmatter: or without inside outside
Eos Amaterasu: from where you come from to where he or she or it comes from
Paradise Tennant: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: the love of letting go
stevenaia Michinaga: non posessive love?
Eos Amaterasu: and then also shaping into swirls and timbres
Eos Amaterasu: ultimately its own energy cannot be possessed
Paradise Tennant: a way of seeing .. that if you .. center to it .. is always there :)
Lila Darkmatter: passion without possession... for some that seems a myth
Eos Amaterasu: music can sometimes be passionate transparently.....
Lila Darkmatter: some disguised as myself some days....
Eos Amaterasu: be it and see it at the same time
Lila Darkmatter: playing in the dark :)
Eos Amaterasu:

It's savage and it's cruel 
And it shines like destruction
Comes in like the flood
And it seems like religion
It's noble and it's brutal
It distorts and deranges
And it wrenches you up
And you're left like a zombie

(Eurythmics, Love is a Stranger)

stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Lila Darkmatter: zombie love.... bet there is a teen novel with that title..
Calvino Rabeni: Does it happen that ... love opens up a space inclusive of all feelings, allowing healing, and the rising of pain, that can confuse one with the idea (but not the reality) of vulnerability and injury (?)
Calvino Rabeni: What does Rumi say about such things?
Lila Darkmatter: ohh... confuse one with the idea of.... hm
Calvino Rabeni: LIke, it hurts so good :)
Calvino Rabeni: that hurt happens on the healing as well as the injury
Calvino Rabeni: as the old things are unthawed again
Calvino Rabeni: and come alive
Calvino Rabeni: is it not, love creates a huge space for aliveness
Lila Darkmatter: the counterfeit by nature may be possessive... as it needs to prove it exists
Calvino Rabeni: and everything that goes along with it
Lila Darkmatter: inclusive capacity for aliveness.... well back to the flame :)

--BELL--

Paradise Tennant:

The minute I heard my first love story,
I started looking for you, not knowing how blind that was.
Lovers don't finally meet somewhere, they're in each other all along.

From Essential Rumi

Paradise Tennant: smiles
Lila Darkmatter: Oh!
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Heh heh
Bleu Oleander: :)
Lila Darkmatter: :)
Paradise Tennant: a recognition of our oneness :) why it is always there :)
Eos Amaterasu: On that note, I depart
Lila Darkmatter: yes me too....
Eos Amaterasu: good night, dear friends!
Bleu Oleander: me too :)
Lila Darkmatter: Thank you Eos, and everyone
Paradise Tennant: smiles good night eos :) may you dreams be full of wonder .. love :) and peace :)
Bleu Oleander: take care all
Lila Darkmatter: Have a lovely and sweet night
stevenaia Michinaga: night eos, Bleu
stevenaia Michinaga: I don't remember meeting Lila Darkmatter
stevenaia Michinaga: assumes the was here often?
stevenaia Michinaga: she
Paradise Tennant: nods i have
Paradise Tennant: funny how play as being is time zoned segregated :)
stevenaia Michinaga: unless you are an insomniac
Paradise Tennant: lol
Calvino Rabeni: lovely Rumi poem - thanks :)
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: yes let me post the link one sec :)
Paradise Tennant: http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Rumilove.html
Paradise Tennant: well was a nice topic :)
Paradise Tennant: will make for a fun log to read :)
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, always is
stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, see you soon
Paradise Tennant: smiles night steve :)
Paradise Tennant: how have you been cal have not seen you in a while ;)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: very hard to stop reading rumi poetry once you start :)
Paradise Tennant: there are so many wonderful links with his work :)
Paradise Tennant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi
Calvino Rabeni: I went on a good mountain nature hike today, really enjoyed it
Paradise Tennant: ahh nice
Calvino Rabeni: its one way to open love
Paradise Tennant: i hiked the niagara gorge on the weekend was really nice by the falls a beautiful walk
Calvino Rabeni: the more the heart is open, the more is "seen"
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: Creative love, or the urge to rejoin the spirit to divinity, was the goal towards which every thing moves
Paradise Tennant: that was rumi .. the urge to rejoin the spirit to the divine through love :)

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: It is strange - "seeming" how the world responds with phenomena
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: like today a rainbow, and clouds rising and boiling from a gorge
Paradise Tennant: wow
Calvino Rabeni: eyes opening to beauty I suppose, which then stands up and says "here I am" .. but perhaps was there all along, like the poem above quoted :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
Paradise Tennant: eyes open :)
Paradise Tennant: heart open
Paradise Tennant: a lovely path to follow :)
Calvino Rabeni: One phenomenon I really like ... shifting clouds in wind, casting changing shadows through trees on the earth
Paradise Tennant: nods
Calvino Rabeni: that thrill with their colored tiger stripes or leopard spots
Calvino Rabeni: but then, when the direct light fades, there is a soft grayness
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: yes
Calvino Rabeni: that seems special
Calvino Rabeni: whereas before, it was just "nothing there"
Paradise Tennant: like a movie ..:) with the trees as the stars though likely the wind would want credit :)
Calvino Rabeni: now it's a special nothing that graces the remaining everthing
Paradise Tennant: a moment you can always go back to :)
Paradise Tennant: find that is the case with the very special ones ..
Calvino Rabeni: making the ground appear like fur on a large animal
Calvino Rabeni: or showing its many layers
Paradise Tennant: they are like way stations .. that you step back in to with your eyes closed :)
Calvino Rabeni: Its definitely an opening of sensitivity
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: I know what you mean, after I walk I revisit those stations
Calvino Rabeni: someone described them as like web links, you can click and go back at any time
Paradise Tennant: yes
Calvino Rabeni: funny metaphor
Paradise Tennant: they center you
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: and centering to begin with helps the opening
Paradise Tennant: or maybe a better way of looking at it is they help keep you tuned
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: a virtuous cycle that can deepen as it turns
Calvino Rabeni: the tuning, yes, many "frequencies"
Calvino Rabeni: like sound, they all coexist
Paradise Tennant: yes
Calvino Rabeni: merging but not losing their indivuality
Calvino Rabeni: tuning can pull out one of them from the rest
Calvino Rabeni: sometimes its interesting to put them back together after they come apart
Calvino Rabeni: like cooking
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes :) it is a creative process ..
Calvino Rabeni: the broth is subtle at first
Calvino Rabeni: the scent of the lotus
Calvino Rabeni: BTW related to that I read an essay / article on Ketchup today
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: ketchup soup
Calvino Rabeni: Some writers can do that tuning and cooking with a topic
Calvino Rabeni: so the ketchup is a metaphor for the article that is about it
Calvino Rabeni: so many subtle angles emerging from a commonplace
Calvino Rabeni: Ketchup - such a commonplace cultural item
Paradise Tennant: likes ketchup
Calvino Rabeni: yet it turns out to have lessons
Calvino Rabeni: about human nature, senses, tastes, how things mix together and how perception works
Calvino Rabeni: I like it too, :)

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: it turns out the successful ketchup teaches lessons for cooking and maybe for "being" too :)
Calvino Rabeni: it has all the five tastes
Paradise Tennant: ahh
Calvino Rabeni: blended together so none stands out dominant
Calvino Rabeni: salty, sweet, sour, bitter, and umami
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_06_a_ketchup.html
Paradise Tennant: the chinese have high regard for things that have all five tastes ..in nature very little but schzandra does
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Calvino Rabeni: One of the ideas there is that if there's a lack of blending in a taste, something stands out, and then eventully one gets tired of it
Calvino Rabeni: whereas the balanced blends don't do that
Calvino Rabeni: I was a little surprised to learn a new "fact" that is, the existence of umami
Calvino Rabeni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Calvino Rabeni: It is a subtle, kind of unifying taste
Paradise Tennant: our senses are really very complex and sensitive
Calvino Rabeni: like in the restaurant biz it is said, to make anything taste better, add cheese and bacon
Calvino Rabeni: both are high in umami flavor
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Paradise Tennant: why I like cheese then :) umami ;)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: parmesan for instance
Calvino Rabeni: all those recipes with it
Calvino Rabeni: yet it doesn't dominate or stand out
Paradise Tennant: well cooking can be viewed as an art of a balance
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Calvino Rabeni: interesting how tomato sauces, lasagna or sphagetti, often taste better the next day when reheated
Calvino Rabeni: some kind of blending and integration happened?
Paradise Tennant: yes often will make things a day ahead because they will taste better
Calvino Rabeni: It must be that with these balanced blended flavors
Paradise Tennant: a melding
Calvino Rabeni: that we taste them all, but don't realize it
Calvino Rabeni: and experience it as a unity
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: which may be a pleasant experience
Calvino Rabeni: a kind of relaxing and transcendence
Calvino Rabeni: from the more common experience
Calvino Rabeni: in which problems stand out from the background
Calvino Rabeni: they emerge
Calvino Rabeni: which is the origin of the word Emergency
Calvino Rabeni: as the thing was there all along as part of the whole
Calvino Rabeni: but only when it became out of balance
Calvino Rabeni: did it become a problem and get attention
Paradise Tennant: hmm
Paradise Tennant: yes balance is key
Paradise Tennant: sigh getting late :)
Calvino Rabeni: the heart is the place where the unity can be perceived
Calvino Rabeni: a higher sense organ

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Good talking / sitting with you Paradise :)
Paradise Tennant: thanks Cal always a pleasure :)
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Calvino Rabeni: Namaste
Paradise Tennant: namaste my friend :)