The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

Mantras

Eden Haiku: hello blue dragonlet Riddle :)

Riddle Sideways: good morning

Eden Haiku: Into your reptilian mind this morning?
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, blue dragonlet does not sit well
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey the both of you
Eden Haiku: Hello Yaku!
Eden Haiku: Eliza, good morning!
Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning eliza
Eden Haiku: I'm feeling more like a pink princess this cloudy Monday morning :)
Eden Haiku: Ah Riddle, you have beautiful hair!
Riddle Sideways: thanks,
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Eliza
Riddle Sideways: brb
Eden Haiku: Walking by the river this morning, I listend to the radio. A yoga teacher was saying that mantras release endorphins...
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, when you read them they do for all the ppl around you as well :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Eden Haiku: HI Zen! Mantra recitation used to be part of my daily life for years, I miss it now :)
Eliza Madrigal: are there different types of endorphins?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: endorphin emanations? :))
Eden Haiku: wondering...
Yakuzza Lethecus: when i hear a mantra it's still something fancy and fascinating, i guess even practice could get boring after years ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho it's not it's purpose to get "boring"
Eden Haiku: At the voice session the other day, Zen chanted the Buddam saranam gachami mantras, I have been doing these now, in the morning. Thanks Zen :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
Zen Arado: the three refuges
Eliza Madrigal: mantra seems to open one's experience to have less sense of inside/outside...
Eden Haiku: Hi Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu:)
Riddle Sideways: hi Zen and Blu
Eden Haiku: I was taking the three refuges in English, better do them in sanskrit now :) And chanting!
Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
Eden Haiku: Yaku I don't think they get boring , but you move on, I guess that's what happened...
Zen Arado: it's nice when everyone chants it last thing at night during a retreat
Zen Arado: we do that at our zen retreats
Yakuzza Lethecus: maybe that is exactly what i do wrong, i wait until things are getting stuck in my head and i don't move on early enough
Eden Haiku: Less sense of inside/outside, yes, Eliza, I think it does that...
Zen Arado: just feel it Yaku
Zen Arado: we intellectualize things too much
Eden Haiku: I can tell you are reminiscing good memories of the quiet in a retreat Zen... Tell us more, please :)
Zen Arado: I don't even think of what the words mean
Zen Arado: they just have such a nice feeling
Zen Arado: and such a nice melody
Zen Arado: after a long day of sitting...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--
Freud Jungsten: osiyo
Eliza Madrigal: Hi, Freud :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi freud
Bleu Oleander: hi Freud
Freud Jungsten: heya
Zen Arado: osiyo Freaud
Yakuzza Lethecus: is osijo interchangable with hi ?
Eden Haiku: Hello Freud!
Riddle Sideways: Hi Freud
Freud Jungsten: yes it is.
Yakuzza Lethecus: osiyo freud
Freud Jungsten: or 'siyo less formally
Eden Haiku: This is the version of the 3 refuges mantra I chant with in the mornings: http://bit.ly/ccKLpS
Eliza Madrigal: somehow mantras feel like letting the whole world in... being friendly/resonate with everything....
Zen Arado: chant it for us Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, am at a cafe', will have to check later... thank you eden
Eliza Madrigal: Oh... will turn volume a tiny bit for Eden's voice though :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza :) Have a nice day !
Eliza Madrigal: oh, not going... just careful with volume
Eden Haiku: But I won't chant no no...You don't have to leave...
Zen Arado: oh it's not the same as we chant it
Eliza Madrigal: I love your chanting Eden... was going to make an exception of volume to hear you :)
Zen Arado: same words though
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, so you don't grant us our endorphins *teasing a bit*
Eden Haiku: Yes, exactly. We could experiment (another time) chanting together (maybe at voice session one day)....
Eliza Madrigal: What is the English translation of this refuge prayer?
Eliza Madrigal: haha Ya
Eden Haiku: I take refuge in the Buddha, in the Dharma, in the Sangha.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, basics :) Nice
Zen Arado: and then twice I take refuge in Buddha etc and three times I take refuge...
Zen Arado: Dutiyampi Buddham gachami...
Zen Arado: Tatiyampi Buddhan gacchami...
Eden Haiku: Ah, I remember you saying that Zen, I couldn't find a You Tube video with that...
Zen Arado: maybe it's the zen version
Zen Arado: though it is in Pali

Cafe anthropologists

Eden Haiku: Howcome  you are in a cafe Eliza? Connection problem?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, nothing like that. Sometimes I need to get away from the house and the familiar surroundings to concentrate
Eden Haiku: Ah you are right Zen. it's in pali, not sanskrit...Much more "aa" in sanskrit
Eliza Madrigal: and though this place is getting familiar, there are no 'chores' to see
Eden Haiku: Ah nice. How is the atmosphere in the cafe Eliza ?
Zen Arado: I just know that because I was told it was Pali :)
Eliza Madrigal: lovely.... a really interesting girl wearing sweatpants and a large cowboy hat...
Eden Haiku: Wonderful! What else?
Eliza Madrigal: :) Zen
Eliza Madrigal: another with a leather jacket... very tiny compared to her tall cowboy hat wearing friend...
Eden Haiku: It's like being there with you Eliza, I almost see the girl!
Eliza Madrigal: next to a very sad looking person, leaned over the bar area....
Zen Arado: pity you can't show us on webcam or something :)
Eliza Madrigal: it is like a saloon
Zen Arado: are they playing poker ?
Eliza Madrigal: not yet
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eden Haiku: Next step Zen, we all go in different cafes all over the world and we use webcams...hehe
Eliza Madrigal: yes... just a few more technological leaps
Zen Arado: would be so interesting Eden
Zen Arado: you can do it now on Skype
Eliza Madrigal: we could have or be little monitors sitting on the cushions....
Yakuzza Lethecus would like to have a better connection to use a webcam
Eden Haiku: Can someone see your screen Eliza?
Zen Arado: but not in SL
Riddle Sideways: Skype works ok for that
Bleu Oleander: one cafe at a time on skype?
Zen Arado: you couls have a video conference now
Eliza Madrigal: No... I have the perfect little private corner to take everyone else in while being very inconspicuous
Eden Haiku: remembering how Wol was showing us to the cooks in Nova Scotia retreat's cafeteria...
Eliza Madrigal: hahah yes that was great
Eliza Madrigal: Imagine their view
Zen Arado: we could surreptitiously peer over your shoulder Eliza :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: not to mention that they learned two sets of names
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Zen :) Learing and Peering...
Riddle Sideways: what, you have different names?
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eden Haiku: You mean you are Riddle in daily life too Riddle? Humm... Interesting parents you have...
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Riddle... some of us do
Eden Haiku: By the way, I hope there is no connection to Tom Riddle?

--BELL--

Zen Arado: most of us do
Riddle Sideways: no, I am not Tom
Eliza Madrigal: even though we drop them ocassionally...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello lugh
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lugh
Eden Haiku: And the sulfurous breath of Lord Voldemort goes through the pavilion...
Lugh Fehr: heyy people its me again hehehe
Bleu Oleander: hi Lugh
Eliza Madrigal: hahahah Eden...
Zen Arado: Hi Lugh
Eden Haiku: Hi Lugh :)
Eliza Madrigal: well our chat logs are a bit like that... we're stored in there
Eliza Madrigal: hahahha
Eliza Madrigal: (sorry bell, didn't realize this time for real)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Lugh

Second Life anthropologists

Zen Arado: we'll be dug up for historical research hundreds of years from now
Lugh Fehr: :)
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: Now there has been a sudden clearing from the cafe'... just me and a lady nearby...
Zen Arado: they'll investigate our simple ways
Bleu Oleander: if digital survies hundreds of years
Eden Haiku: Archeologists of virtual worlds; a profession of the future!
Bleu Oleander: already exitsts Eden
Zen Arado: our strange mannerisms
Eliza Madrigal: she is more self-conscious about what she is doing than I am
Eden Haiku: You mean like Gracie Kendal work Bleu? yes, she is a kind of archeologist too...
Zen Arado: she knows you are talking about her
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eden Haiku: is she reading?
Eliza Madrigal: she is protecting her laptop
Zen Arado: maybe she is in SL too
Bleu Oleander: Tom Boellstorff
Eliza Madrigal: I bet!
Bleu Oleander: "Coming of Age in Second Life
Eden Haiku: hehe from second life infectious glee?
Bleu Oleander: had a salon with him
Zen Arado: I have that book
Eden Haiku: Wow Bleu, that's amazing!
Lugh Fehr: brb i get spaggety hehe
Zen Arado: SL anthropologist
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: wow
Bleu Oleander: very interesting book
Zen Arado: a bit out of date now
Bleu Oleander: somewhat yes, but it was great speaking with him
Zen Arado: yes - he is an interesting guy
Zen Arado: so many viewpoints in SL
Zen Arado: such diversity
Bleu Oleander: another great book "Online a lot of the Time"
Bleu Oleander: by Ken Hillis
Zen Arado: haven't read that one
Bleu Oleander: fascinating
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, gotta find that one
Eden Haiku: Wow! good books to read!
Bleu Oleander: on ritual, fetish, and sign
Bleu Oleander: uses sl a lot in the book
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Online-Lot-T...9230645&sr=8-3
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thank you
Lugh Fehr: bk
Eden Haiku: So many interesting books to read!
Eliza Madrigal: Glad to peek in for your session Eden, always a pleasure... have a friend to visit fast then back to 'concentrating' :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs all around :)
Bleu Oleander: so many books .... too little time :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye guys, thanks much
Eden Haiku: Hugs Eliza. Have a great day!
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Zen Arado: bye Eliza hugs
Eliza Madrigal: You too, bye everyone
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Eliza Madrigal: don't let me miss a mantra session if you have one :)
Eden Haiku: We will send you invitations when we do...
Zen Arado: not sure what he means by fetishism
Bleu Oleander: you'll have to read the book Zen :)
Zen Arado: yes - looks interesting
Zen Arado: expensive though :(
Bleu Oleander: calls AV's "telefetishes"
Zen Arado: only know about fetishes in art
Zen Arado: about shoes fro instance
Eden Haiku: Taking a close look at Lugh's interesting avatar's "telefetish" here...You are some fawn aren't you Lugh...
Zen Arado: a kind of obsessive interest?
Lugh Fehr: yep hehe
Bleu Oleander: virtual objects as animated traces of the material real
Eden Haiku: Pan is the creator of panic hehe...
Zen Arado: so how of the 'real' me is in my avatar?
Zen Arado: much *
Zen Arado: wonders
Bleu Oleander: you will really enjoy the book Zen
Lugh Fehr: yep and i inherited some of his powers hehehe :D

--BELL--

Native Americans

Lugh Fehr: avatars are strange cant feel pain but still got emotions hehe
Lugh Fehr: woops
Eden Haiku: No pian but lots of emotions...
Zen Arado: emotional pain
Zen Arado: worst kind
Lugh Fehr: hehhee annoying women heheh
Zen Arado: you can feel pain on behalf of your Avatar
Freud Jungsten: That is me...
Zen Arado: no you aren't Freud
Freud Jungsten: You just have to ask me the right questions.
Zen Arado: annoyance is in the eye of the beholder
Freud Jungsten: And dont assume that just because I am not annoying you right now I am not annoying someone esle.
Freud Jungsten smiles
Lugh Fehr: i what way are you annoying?
Lugh Fehr: hehehe :D
Freud Jungsten: I don't fit into peoples' preconceived boxes...
Freud Jungsten: So they get annoyed with me.
Lugh Fehr: coool
Zen Arado: ah...annoying ...:)
Bleu Oleander: you fit in the "annoying box"?
Lugh Fehr: :)
Freud Jungsten: Evidently.
Zen Arado: :)
Freud Jungsten: It is not a self proclaimed title.
Lugh Fehr: well it is on your head
Zen Arado: how do they know what box to try to fit you in?
Bleu Oleander: you gave the title to your AV
Eden Haiku: I thought Lugh was talking about the fact he was annoying women in coming in as a libidinous fawn...I find this rather cute than annoying by the way.
Freud Jungsten: Well.. I am a minority.
Eden Haiku: Ah, just seeing the title now...
Freud Jungsten: And a lesbian.
Bleu Oleander: minority of what?
Freud Jungsten: So folks think I should have certian veiws on things.
Freud Jungsten: I am Native AMerican.
Lugh Fehr: libidinous ... had to look that one up
Lugh Fehr: hhehee
Lugh Fehr: yeah cool
Zen Arado: but we all get stereotyped
Lugh Fehr: not a fan of the great white spirit?
Bleu Oleander: you could widen your identification to a larger group .... say humans
Freud Jungsten: True.... but folks seem to get annoyed with me that I dont fit their sterotypes.
Freud Jungsten: Their issue not mine though.
Zen Arado: true
Freud Jungsten: I dont get that choice.
Lugh Fehr: well i think we only sterotyp our selfs couse how the heck do we know what others are thinking?
Bleu Oleander: could try maybe?
Freud Jungsten: I am a statistic not a human in a lot of ways.
Bleu Oleander: narrow way to look at it maybe?
Zen Arado: we all are maybe (love generalizing)
Lugh Fehr: and even if they say so words can mean alot of diff things
Freud Jungsten: Actually I like the whole Native American thing... so I will keep it... smiles
Zen Arado: people stereoytpe me as Irish
Bleu Oleander: like it also
Eden Haiku: My feeling is that we would all be very interested in learning more about Native American's culture and reality Freud. I would. I also so have some Native Canadian blood from my paternal grandmother. I'm sure others here might have some red blood too.
Bleu Oleander: strong Native American culture where I live
Lugh Fehr: i like native americans too
Freud Jungsten: Just as a note... some will take offense to the term "red" blood... I dont have a problem with it though.
Lugh Fehr: if i had native anything im my country id live with them fow sure
Freud Jungsten: Or as some call us... First Americans.... lol
Bleu Oleander: haven't seen any blood that is any other color :)
Zen Arado: where did they come from?
Eden Haiku: Yes, you are obvioulsy fascinated by shamanic rituals Lugh :)
Freud Jungsten: My aunts are medicine women.
Lugh Fehr: i used to be im moor of a mystic nowadays
Freud Jungsten: Which translates to ..... stoners.
Freud Jungsten: lol
Lugh Fehr: hehehhe :D
Eden Haiku: The first wave came from Mongolia through the Behring Detroit, something like 30,000 years ago.
Lugh Fehr: its the rasta jacket aint it
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Freud Jungsten: Actually... it started from what is now rural Kentuky and migreated from there.... smiles
Eden Haiku: They went as far as South America and became Incas and quechuas...
Eden Haiku: In North America, it's a more recent wave, some 20,000 years ago. And Inuits are the last wave: 10,000 years ago.
Freud Jungsten: I find it very odd though the impression that people have of Native Americans.

--BELL--

Lugh Fehr: well i think most of them think their all dead or somthing
Bleu Oleander: bye everyone :)
Lugh Fehr: at least where i come from
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Lugh Fehr: bye bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu
Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu! Have a nice day!
Freud Jungsten: Thanks to genocideal miniacs like Abraham LIncoln a lot of us are.
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye riddle
Riddle Sideways: bye all, sorry I was so RL distracted and not part of chat
Freud Jungsten: Ciao
Lugh Fehr: yeah abraham was a killer?
Eden Haiku: Bye Riddle . Enjoy your day!
Riddle Sideways: Monday is hitting my office
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Zen Arado: have to go too
Freud Jungsten: Let me see.... three quarter of a million whites and blacks dead.
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Zen Arado: bye all
Eden Haiku: I also have to go. Early appointment this afternoon...
Lugh Fehr: uwwww harsh
Eden Haiku: Have a great day everyone!
Lugh Fehr: you too
Freud Jungsten: Not to mention the largest mass exicution in US history all of Natives.
Eden Haiku: Bye Zen!
Freud Jungsten: And the "reorganization" of someo fo the west terriritories.
Lugh Fehr: hehhe well his big statue is in order then
Lugh Fehr: now they make one of bush soon too
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Freud Jungsten: In his crazed slash and burn orgy to keep his empire intact, Lincoln killed about a million people and destryed entire cultures.
Freud Jungsten: I really want to personally chisle his face off Mount Rushmore.
Freud Jungsten: Oh.... this is the sort of thing that makes peple call me annoying.... grins
Lugh Fehr: well in his difence people have been going at it for years and years on end all cultures races ...
Freud Jungsten: True... but Bush killed far less and gets vilified.
Lugh Fehr: not that its good or anything but it was neccecery evoliotion
Lugh Fehr: neccery for what .... who knows?
Freud Jungsten: Not that I like him either.
Yakuzza Lethecus: but isn´t it a good thing that today the level to become a villian is far lower ?
Freud Jungsten: But better thant he present sexist racist homohating administration we have now.
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s an state issue right ?
Freud Jungsten: Just more information I guess... so easier to get the press.
Lugh Fehr: yeah where getting their .... i hope
Lugh Fehr: also the world havent seen this amount of reletive peace in ages
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean you could have homosexural marridges in some states and not in others
Freud Jungsten: Yes.. that is what is the case now.
Yakuzza Lethecus: *villain *marriages
Freud Jungsten: But this administration is sueing to keep the gay military ban intact.
Lugh Fehr: well what i dont get .. all you need is a sweet old guy to merry you fuck the state
Freud Jungsten: And had done nthing to fix the Defense of Marriage Act.
Lugh Fehr: or girl obviously
Freud Jungsten: It is a matter of equal rights really.
Freud Jungsten: And this administration is doing everything it can to preserve the status quo.
Lugh Fehr: yeah but the state dont make you equell its life that does and as far as people be dumb their is no helping the state
Lugh Fehr: ever heard of zeitgeist?
Freud Jungsten: Yes..
Lugh Fehr: well the idea is woderfull but it will never work
Freud Jungsten: But in this case... mairried straight poeple have rights that married gay pople dont.
Yakuzza Lethecus: you guys know the place of the zeitgeist movement in secondlife ?
Freud Jungsten: No.
Lugh Fehr: nahh i gave up hope for them
Freud Jungsten: SOrry.. have to head out to the RL tings.
Freud Jungsten: Ciao all
Lugh Fehr: bye bye
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Lugh Fehr: byebye