2010.11.23 19:00 - Music Math Beauty

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comment highlighting is by Eos Amaterasu; light gray background is for comments related to the Play as Being Self tag.

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Rhiannon, Paradise
Paradise Tennant: looks up hiya eos rhiannon :) gtsy :)
Paradise Tennant: how are you two tonight :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm totally awesome and getting better all the time, Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: I have a theme for tonight :-)
Alfred Kelberry: hello dear pabers :)
Eos Amaterasu: Offered via a notecard
Paradise Tennant: hiya alfred :)

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Al!
Alfred Kelberry: such a nice starry night here in sl :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu mods environment setting
Alfred Kelberry: is there no light in pagoda?
Eos Amaterasu: The notecard has a wonderful riff from Bridge of Waves: What Music Is and How Listening to It Changes the World
Alfred Kelberry: i've recently installed new sl client version and observing differences
Alfred Kelberry: thank you, eos
Eos Amaterasu: You're using the "not available" client :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Brian!
Alfred Kelberry: 2.3.0
Paradise Tennant: hiya brian gtsy :)
Alfred Kelberry: released a day ago
Rhiannon Dragoone: i've used that; end up with an old avi or something when i do
Eos Amaterasu: I hate it when I lose body parts :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, yeah, a friend of mine who's a spider, lost her legs with the new viewer 

Alfred Kelberry: eos, music is really special. in the early ages i found that it's a language of soul :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-), Rhiannon
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, music does seem to be a language
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, it is, the language of the heart and soul
Eos Amaterasu: that little article made me wonder about whether it was a kind of communion language prior to what we now think of as spoken language
Eos Amaterasu: music calls forth the muse, the soul of inspiration, of life and breath
Paradise Tennant: smiles a big smile it does indeed

Alfred Kelberry: from buddhist perspective music has an unclassifiable component which attracts us, because we don't have to label it definitively
Eos Amaterasu: a strange attractor?
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, that's true, Eos, a strange attractor
Alfred Kelberry: i suppose this is when we can "float" or "be with" ourselfes, without analysing
Eos Amaterasu: true, kind of feel ourselves in a different realm of the senses, with different ratios of feelings

Rhiannon Dragoone: Music can inspire, sooth, reflect; it is the emotional part of the mathematical mind
 Eos Amaterasu: I like that: "the emotional part of the mathematical mind"
Rhiannon Dragoone: ty
Eos Amaterasu: emotion does have mathematical-like forms, which music seems to express
Alfred Kelberry: eos :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm not sure if all emotion is mathematical, but the part that is finds its expression in music
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, interesting
Alfred Kelberry: imagine a motion picture without music
Alfred Kelberry: we often don't notice it, not directly aware, but it plays a huge role in our perception of the scene
Eos Amaterasu: music creates our communion with that scene
Eos Amaterasu: "this quiet, infinite instant when we can inhabit our collective body."
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, interesting choice of words--communion
Eos Amaterasu: that word came from the Bridge of Waves excerpt (http://bit.ly/gIlyMZ)
Eos Amaterasu: maybe music does transubstantiation

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi seeveE!
stevenaia Michinaga: hello...grins
Eos Amaterasu: Hi steveenaia
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, it does resurrection, at least figuratively
Paradise Tennant: hiya stevenaia :)
Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
stevenaia Michinaga: have we all taken to type like me tonight?
Eos Amaterasu: you are typing perfectly!
stevenaia Michinaga: like me every other night
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: I've given you a theme notecard, stevie
Eos Amaterasu: it's a kind of extended appreciating how the appearance of sound presents itself from us and through the world and back to us, including performer and listeners
Rhiannon Dragoone: steve; don't know how you type, so i'd scarcely know
Eos Amaterasu: Re upcoming 90 seconds pause.... how about listening to how we listen</not>

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: I hear chirping, and then a bird appears in my mind
Eos Amaterasu: I hear hooting, and then an owl appears in my mind
Alfred Kelberry: ah, in sl? :)
Eos Amaterasu: yes (I have headphones on)
Paradise Tennant: sometimes i think of sound as pattern ... or wave patterns in space .. what it perhaps the most engaging is how the resonance of music .. connects something profound within us to the world without :)
Eos Amaterasu: right here around the pavilion, there's lots of sounds
Eos Amaterasu: Yes... mirror listening, so to speak
Alfred Kelberry: i find that i can't both read and listen :)
Eos Amaterasu: that's pretty much true in my case as well
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, that's interesting, most guys I've heard can
Alfred Kelberry: i'm having an episode of astronomy cast playing and also reading the chat :)
Eos Amaterasu: "astronomy cast"?
Alfred Kelberry: http://www.astronomycast.com/
Alfred Kelberry: fraser and pamela gay
Eos Amaterasu: ah

stevenaia Michinaga: as I read the description, it sounded to me like we each posses our own music making abilitiy in a larger sense, loving what we do, bringing joy to the world around us by what we "do" or "meditate on"

Alfred Kelberry: she's been here in sl giving talks a few times
Alfred Kelberry: at mica
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, nice, stevenaia
Eos Amaterasu: sharing creativity
Paradise Tennant: smiles at steve :) bringing joy to the world like that phrase
stevenaia Michinaga: however bringing that "emotion" to others is even more powerful
Alfred Kelberry: music of your karma, stev? :)
stevenaia Michinaga: things you can do with more abstract things, words, art, music, movies
stevenaia Michinaga: a whisper
Rhiannon Dragoone: music is almost an oxymoron--its very concrete due to its abstract nature, it seems to me

Alfred Kelberry: btw, stev, did i tell you today how beautiful your dress is? :)
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, no, not today, Alfred, thanks
Alfred Kelberry: it plays a nice music for me when i look at it :)
Eos Amaterasu: I like the square cut of your tailoring, Alf :-)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, tailoring?
Alfred Kelberry: um, thank you? :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles at both stevenaia and alf :) liking very well their choice of fashion expression :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, how come you never say things like that to me?

Eos Amaterasu: I think music may be a theme of the upcoming New Orleans retreat
Eos Amaterasu: (how could it not be!)

Alfred Kelberry: what things, rhia?
Rhiannon Dragoone giggles
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, you know...

Paradise Tennant: looks at her calendar .. january right ?

stevenaia Michinaga: he has been adoring my dress since I put it on months ago, Rhi, things grow on Alf
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's not just the dress, stev. it's you :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, i feel hurt that he doesn't notice nice things about me. ::pouts::
Rhiannon Dragoone: J/K
Paradise Tennant: yes it is the whole package stevenaia .. cuteness a foot :)

Eos Amaterasu: Jan 23 -> 29

stevenaia Michinaga: looks for blush button
Paradise Tennant: ahhkk thanks
Alfred Kelberry: rhia, you look quite lovely today :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, now you say it, Alfred; after i practically had to drag it out of you
Rhiannon Dragoone: lol
Paradise Tennant: smiles at rhia who does indeed look lovely :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: ty Paradise, Alfred
Alfred Kelberry: dawning insl
stevenaia Michinaga: beauty is a speacial kind of music
Alfred Kelberry: yes
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: there is harmony in symmetry :)
Eos Amaterasu: has sense of rhythm and form and also its own energy
stevenaia Michinaga: it radiates, stops people in their tracks
Alfred Kelberry: there can be harmony in chaos too
stevenaia Michinaga: and is usually distracting
Paradise Tennant: and not only physical beauty there grace peace .. calm love ..they all shine through light up a room :)
Eos Amaterasu: Shawshank Redemption: Mozart soparanos cause inmates to stop and drop
Alfred Kelberry: i'd say it's inspiring, stev :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, well, it comes down to the mathematics again
Eos Amaterasu: energy in chaos, like Smetana's Die Moldau
Alfred Kelberry: smetana?
Eos Amaterasu: Composer, in Bohemia
Eos Amaterasu: wrote composition about river flowing
Alfred Kelberry: ha! funny name :)

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: from trickles to stream to rushing water to great peace
Alfred Kelberry: it's also food - smetana :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Tess!
Tess Aristocrat: hello : )
Alfred Kelberry: tess :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Everyone, this is my friend, Tess
Alfred Kelberry: eos, what a lovely place he grew up in: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Z%C3%A1mek_Litomy%C5%A1l_1.JPG
Paradise Tennant: hiya tess :) welcome :)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Tess -
Eos Amaterasu: we log conversations here to a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org - is that okay?
Tess Aristocrat: sure

Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/About_PlayAsBeing/Basic_Ideas is a really great summary of what we do and play with

Rhiannon Dragoone: I have to be afk for a few minutes; just remembered an important phone call i have to make
Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
Tess Aristocrat: ok
Eos Amaterasu: ciao
stevenaia Michinaga: we will be here, Rhi
Eos Amaterasu: that composition somehow manages to really embody the sense of being a river
Paradise Tennant: sigh I have a really early morning so I will say adieu :) my friends thank you for company and the conversation :) namaste :)
stevenaia Michinaga: nigh Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: bye Para
Paradise Tennant: smiles and wave all round and poufs :)
Eos Amaterasu: (( ))
Eos Amaterasu: interesting thing is that to the extent we let go, we find there is a deep source from which things emerge - like music
stevenaia Michinaga: so what is it about some music that we can liten to the same song for years without growing tired of it
stevenaia Michinaga: i have some pink floyd tunes that I have listened to forever
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: maybe the mind can discover itself in it: like finding new angles and facets and curves, new appreciations, cat licking itself in different ways :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Atom Heart Mother?
stevenaia Michinaga: not for a long time, but other post Meddle albums :)
Tess Aristocrat: I have a certain 'memory' for music..it's almost an idiot savant thing, I can hear the first note and know the song, sometimes even the first drumbeat, (as drums have a tone too)
Eos Amaterasu: a "Shazam" in person!
Tess Aristocrat: ã‹¡
Tess Aristocrat: anyone else do that as well?
Eos Amaterasu: yes, sometimes music seems to have a kind of inevitability, from the very first note
stevenaia Michinaga: the mind must be wired for it's special ability for appriciation
Eos Amaterasu: also maybe we come from music in a sense
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm back
stevenaia Michinaga: how do you mean
Tess Aristocrat: I'm sure it's a math thing..
Eos Amaterasu: it seems that some of the communication between nerve cells takes place via sound
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, everything's a math thing, Tess; but you know that
Rhiannon Dragoone: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: waves?
Eos Amaterasu: you see Fibonacci numbers in Scarlatti sonatinas?
Alfred Kelberry: eos, huh?
Tess Aristocrat: I have this thing called 'synthesia'
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i've noticed that, Eos
Alfred Kelberry: eos, metaphorically speaking?
Eos Amaterasu: It's easier to see them in trees :-)
Tess Aristocrat: with numbers and with notes..
Rhiannon Dragoone: is that where you see sounds?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, no, its a pattern
Tess Aristocrat: well, I think it's different for different folks
Tess Aristocrat: I see numbers as colored
Tess Aristocrat: I'm sure it's related somehow to the music
Alfred Kelberry: it's an electric impulse. no music there :)
Alfred Kelberry: unless you call it a wave :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, if you can get a V-A-K going, Tess, then both music and math would be more meaningful for you.
Eos Amaterasu: in string theory all is vibrating strings :-)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Is math easy for you?
Tess Aristocrat: I thought it was just a weird thing I had until I heard about it on some radio program..that someone else was that way too
Tess Aristocrat: nods
Rhiannon Dragoone: Tess, it's actually fairly common, and it can be trained into ppl; helps them learn math
Rhiannon Dragoone: Tess, yeah, i thought math would be; you have a sensory connection with it
Alfred Kelberry: eos, funny you said that. when i talk of music on a grand scale, i often think of string theory :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: And that helps understand it
Tess Aristocrat: words too though, some say you either are great at math or great at words
Rhiannon Dragoone: With me, its the other way around; i have to have a mathematical or diagrammatic understanding to do things with senses or kinesthetics
Alfred Kelberry: they've used violins too much in their documentaries :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Tess, well, i teach writing and math. :))
Tess Aristocrat: ã‹¡
Rhiannon Dragoone: Although i am a published writer and i have yet to do anything like that in math
Tess Aristocrat: I love to write

--BELL--

Tess Aristocrat: though I'm not published or anything like that
Eos Amaterasu: In a way we publish ourselves to each other
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, especially here in sl
Tess Aristocrat: Eos, yes! good way of putting it
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: there's more play aspect possible in Sl, perhaps
Alfred Kelberry: yes, and whatever you say will be published on play as being wiki :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eos Amaterasu: we also publish ourselves to ourselves
Eos Amaterasu: play the symphony of ourselves to ourselves
Alfred Kelberry: then it'll be indexed by google and read by millions of people :)
Eos Amaterasu: google will ogle us
Tess Aristocrat: nods, wherein text networking lacks inflection , it causes us to become mre creative in expression.
Eos Amaterasu: I guess we repeatedly play ourselves back to ourselves, like "earworms"
Eos Amaterasu: like music that gets stuck in our heads, for hours or days
Alfred Kelberry: eos, sounds terrible :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Alfred, it ws the choice of metaphors
Tess Aristocrat: someone brought something to my attention the other day
Rhiannon Dragoone: What if Eos had said, 'like the Eternal Recurrence of Spring'
stevenaia Michinaga: I have similar problems with Tai Chi, some moves keep "echoing" in my body like a skipped record
Alfred Kelberry: right, a terrible one :)
Eos Amaterasu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earworm
Rhiannon Dragoone: steve, well, in MA, that's supposed to happen; so that when you need the skill, its automatic
Rhiannon Dragoone: So its built into the system, even the watered down versions of Tai Chi they teach in America
Eos Amaterasu: music seems to emerge naturally from repetititve motions
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, stop with the earworms, already
Tess Aristocrat: concerning facebook, they said, "Do you ever notice when you get a message from your friends that you know in real life, you hear that message in your head in their voice"
Rhiannon Dragoone: Tess, yes, i've noticed that
Tess Aristocrat: lol

Premonitions of upcoming Play As Being Self art project...

Eos Amaterasu: perhaps similar to what happens here in SL, re real-izing these cartoon bodies as tangibly our own
stevenaia Michinaga: I've noticed that when I "hear" a message here and I 've met that person in RL, I hear their voice as well
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, most ppl i've met in SL do think of their avatars as their bodies
Rhiannon Dragoone: And ur avatar is your body
Rhiannon Dragoone: Like my first time here where someone called me 'a beautiful naked body.'
Alfred Kelberry: has anyone read on the history of music? how did it all started? some prehistoric tribe jumping and wooing in a cave?
Rhiannon Dragoone: That's what i ws to her
Alfred Kelberry: rhia :)
Alfred Kelberry: that's what we are to anyone at first sight - our sheer appearance
Tess Aristocrat: Well, it's been nice to meet and share thoughts with you all, thanks for the invite ã‹¡
Rhiannon Dragoone: Very true, Alfred, but its just interesting how tight the identification is with our avi's
Rhiannon Dragoone: TC, Tess
Eos Amaterasu: thanks Tess, nice of you to join here
Rhiannon Dragoone: Thanks for coming and sharing
stevenaia Michinaga: night Tess, nice to meet you
Eos Amaterasu: this strong id-ing with our AVs has tremendous potential, I think, especially since it's simultaneous with our living in our RL bodies
Eos Amaterasu: Makes you wonder about identity :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: article on cyber theropy in NYT science section today
Rhiannon Dragoone: Eos, esp when you make ur avi look like ur rl body; as i have
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, i have another discussion to go to
Rhiannon Dragoone: It's been great; thanks for having me
Eos Amaterasu: Thanks for joining in, Rhia
stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/science/23avatar.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=cybertherapy&st=cse
stevenaia Michinaga: good seeing yu again
Rhiannon Dragoone: ur welcome Eos
Rhiannon Dragoone: Good being here again, steve
Eos Amaterasu: I will leave after the next break
Eos Amaterasu: Alf, would you like to suggest a way to approach the upcoming 90 secs?
Eos Amaterasu: (not to put you on the spot :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: night eos
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, eos. i was away.
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Eos Amaterasu: 'tis okay - 'night Alf, Stevenaia
Alfred Kelberry: oh, everyone's left :)
Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, sweet dreams!
Alfred Kelberry: i wonder how woly is now in japan
Alfred Kelberry: miss her :)
stevenaia Michinaga: she had some interesting posts on facebook
stevenaia Michinaga: how remarkably spotless things were
Alfred Kelberry: don't know her facebook account
Alfred Kelberry: oh, yes, spotless is a good description
stevenaia Michinaga: I don't know if she tweets
Alfred Kelberry: i look forward for woly's stories when she comes back :)
Alfred Kelberry: and pictures!
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, should be a special session
stevenaia Michinaga: Wol theme Session
Alfred Kelberry: or maybe a series of sessions :)
Alfred Kelberry: it's actually quite amazing that people come here 4 times a day for so long
Alfred Kelberry: i suppose there are empty sessions now and then, but most of the time at least 1 or 2 people
stevenaia Michinaga: I am persoanlly amazed I still find this place refreshing when I come
stevenaia Michinaga: after a few years
Alfred Kelberry: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: the diversity of discussion seems to hit that musical note within me
stevenaia Michinaga: always a new tune playing here :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think the secret is in fluid structure - playful tone that surrounds all the meetings
stevenaia Michinaga: usually a drama free zone
Alfred Kelberry: cause we're drama open :)
stevenaia Michinaga: perahps a place that dissipates drama by our nature
stevenaia Michinaga: usually takes more than one for drama to exist
Alfred Kelberry: oh yes :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think drama is wrong assumptions + projected worry of the future
Alfred Kelberry: openness that is present here does not allow for this to happen
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, comforting isn;t it
Alfred Kelberry: eh, sadly, there's no dress of yours the size of boxy :)

Alfred Kelberry: *brb*

stevenaia Michinaga: k
Alfred Kelberry: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I should be going soon
Alfred Kelberry: yes, me too
stevenaia Michinaga: you streaching your legs?
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for the company ALf
Alfred Kelberry: trying for the pagoda to rez - i can't see it!
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Alfred Kelberry: and only a handful of cushions
stevenaia Michinaga: night my friend
Alfred Kelberry: night, stev :)