2010.11.19 07:00 - Gracious Cosmos

The Guardian for this meeting which follows the Magic of Time session, was Eliza Madrigal. The few comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

We begin with Goodbye... Hello Hello....

Riddle Sideways has trouble parsing dessert or desert
Pema Pera has trouble passing dessert
Zen Arado: :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Darren Islar: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Darren Islar: I need to go, thanks all :)
Zen Arado: bye Darren
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Darren, thanks :)
Bleu Oleander: bye Darren
Pema Pera: bye Darren!
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Darren!
Maxine Walden: Yes, and I should go as well. Nice discussion everyone
Maxine Walden: bye all
Zen Arado: bye Maxine
Bleu Oleander: take care Maxine
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Maxine :)
Pema Pera: I'd better get some sleep too -- it's past midnight, and I got up at 5 am, to take the bullet train from Tokyo to Kyoto for a one-day workshop that I organized
Eliza Madrigal stands with door open to see who else might make a run for it...
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, everyone. May all be happy and safe this weekend (and finish up your to-do lists.)
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Pema and Bruce, Bye and Happy weekend :)
Zen Arado: thanks Pema
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
Zen Arado: bye
Pema Pera: bye everybody, thanks so much for joining us in the Time explorations!

Riddle Sideways: bye to the leavers
Eliza Madrigal: Always an interesting time... this boundary into he next session :)
Eliza Madrigal: I meant to mention how much I responded to time as teacher, too, bruce
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for that
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Eliza. I was not able to separate the Ways of Knowing homework from the homework for the Time group.
Eliza Madrigal: maybe how one responds to that sort of idea depends on their relationships with teachers along the way too :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes that happens to me all the time
Eliza Madrigal: everything spills together

Zen Arado: was just reading about the alaya vijnana
Eliza Madrigal: and also flows together synchronistically at times too, so not complaining..
Zen Arado: storehouse consciousness
Eliza Madrigal: say more Zen?
Zen Arado: well..it stores all our experiences
Eliza Madrigal: consciousness does?
Eliza Madrigal: or time?
Zen Arado: and our present behaviour is conditioned by it
Zen Arado: if the Yogacarans are right
Zen Arado: not the thinking consciousness
Eliza Madrigal: collective?
Zen Arado: more like what we call the subconsciousness
Zen Arado: no- think it is individual
Zen Arado: it is what keeps going when we are asleep
Zen Arado: and stores memories and skills we have learnt
Eliza Madrigal: oh, interesting

Bleu Oleander: our present behaviour is conditioned by the past
Zen Arado: so how we see things and behave depends so much on what how we acted in the past
Zen Arado: yes Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: I've been thinking about 'instant recognition' a bit... maybe it is a bit like that...
Bruce Mowbray: It is a profound experience to visit a physical place from fifty years in your past. . . that you've no been in for fifty years. . .
Bruce Mowbray: and then have the memories return --
Eliza Madrigal: wow, imagining...
Bleu Oleander: also conditioned by our past thoughts of the future
Bruce Mowbray: things you'd not even thought of for 50 years come back as if they were just yesterday.
Zen Arado: so what we do now is important for what will happen in the future

Zen Arado: so karma is involved too
Zen Arado: it is so subtle too
Eliza Madrigal: ego seems a karma storage device ...hah
Bleu Oleander: how is karma involved?
Zen Arado: what we cognize from what we see is conditioned by this storehouse
Bruce Mowbray: Have I been carrying all of that "baggage" so lightly that I didn't even know I was carrying it?
Zen Arado: because what we do now is retained
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: but now I walk into the next room to get something but have forgotten what I went after as soon as I get there!

Riddle Sideways: wow, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Consciousnesses is great stuff.

Eliza Madrigal: :) Bruce
Riddle Sideways: the 7th sense is monkey mind
Eliza Madrigal: there is this concept in the castaneda books, about 'alignments'... and an idea of the alignment becoming what we see/experience... like just a smalll shift creates a whole 'new' world to walk into ...
Eliza Madrigal clicks link....
Zen Arado: the manas is really the self creator I think
Zen Arado: or 7th I mean
Zen Arado: interesting stuff
Bruce Mowbray ponders "alignments" of readiness. . . Readiness to learn/grow requires a re-alignment?
Eliza Madrigal: yes that was sort of my understanding or feeling... stim said once that to 'drop' sometimes means to hold in a different way....
Zen Arado: but this 8th consciousness gives a sense of ponderousness and baggage
Zen Arado: kind of trapped by our past
Eliza Madrigal: 'foolish are trapped by karma whereas the wise are freed by karma'
Eliza Madrigal: karma is also a treasure trove :)
Eliza Madrigal: amazing when you stumble upon some sort of baggage that you can use in a new way, or give to someone at just the right time....
Eliza Madrigal: not the baggage...
Eliza Madrigal: but what you learned perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: :-D at the notion of giving someone else my baggage :)

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Eliza -- that one thing is enough to cause me to think that the Cosmos is gracious.
Bruce Mowbray: Basic Goodness, again.
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Bleu, you prob have very nice baggage since you are artistic
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes Bruce!
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce's Gracious Cosmos.... should be a Discovery Channel show :)

Zen Arado: don't think I like this alaya idea
Riddle Sideways: sorry, but nobody else will carry your baggage for you
Zen Arado: can't we just ditch it?
Bruce Mowbray: Not sure everyone could watch that TV show, Eliza. Many would first require a re-alignment of their receptors.
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
Zen Arado: like Christian in Pilgrim's progress
Zen Arado: I suppose that is why the 'born again' idea is so attractive

Eliza Madrigal: awareness that our 'baggage' isn't lasting makes it rich.... like the forest layers....
Zen Arado: you can lose your 'burden of sin'
Eliza Madrigal: indeed Zen
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Zen, and the Christian notion that Jesus will carry all our burdens for us (all of our baggage for us?)
Zen Arado: 'There's power in the blood, power in the blood...
Bleu Oleander: gtg ... take care everyone ...
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: well but people there miss it too... according to jesus it was 'it is already done get out of the way'
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Bruce Mowbray loves the analogy of layers of baggage like forest layers...
Bleu Oleander: bfn :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Bleu!
Bruce Mowbray: or maybe like layers of sedimentary rock . . . with LOTS of fossils!
Riddle Sideways likes the image of baggage as leaf mold
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Zen Arado: is a fossil
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Bruce Mowbray: aren't we all!
Eliza Madrigal: lots of creatures nourished wonderfully
Zen Arado: my av hasn'y fully rezzed for me
Eliza Madrigal: zeroed in on a tree during yesterday's walk too... huge ants crawling on a seemingly dead limb....
Bruce Mowbray remembers how his mother used to treasure peat moss for mulching in the garden.
Zen Arado: maybe I am not all here
Eliza Madrigal: :) moss
Bruce Mowbray: You're fully rezzed for me, Zen.
Eliza Madrigal: I 'see' you rezzed Zen
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste'
Riddle Sideways: sometimes it is hard to see yourself zen
Bruce Mowbray: "Lie down like a rotting log."
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen Arado: "would someone the giftie gie us...
Bruce Mowbray: to see ourselves as others see us.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray tip toes out quietly and wishes everyone a happy weekend.
Eliza Madrigal: what brought you to be reading about these consciousnesses Zen?
Zen Arado: my teacher referred to them
Zen Arado: I got an interesting book
Zen Arado: called Living Yogacara
Eliza Madrigal: the 'mind only' school
Zen Arado: it is worth knowing about since it influences Buddhist thought so much
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: but prefer the idea of 'instant enlightenment'
Zen Arado: :)
Riddle Sideways: instant? as in work for years and then poof
Eliza Madrigal: instantly gradual
Zen Arado: I don't know
Riddle Sideways: neither do we
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: maybe we think we need to work at it
Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking about how many people I see in the course of a week, and how few people I 'meet'.... meeting sometimes has instant familiarity or fondness...
Zen Arado: and push it further away
Zen Arado: a problem for me lately Eliza...
Eliza Madrigal: when I think I can forget such powerful moments like the falcon, then I feel I must be forgetting endlessly....
Zen Arado: in SL
Eliza Madrigal: how so Zen?
Zen Arado: do we really meet people in SL?
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Riddle Sideways: as much as in RL!
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Zen Arado: but many keep RL and SL so far apart
Zen Arado: and I can't do that

Riddle Sideways: "meeting" the same person in school, home or a store presents different person too

Zen Arado: ageism is less in SL I think
Eliza Madrigal: definitely.... lots of ism reductions in sl
Eliza Madrigal: :)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Bye Riddle, thanks for staying :)
Zen Arado: bye Riddle
Riddle Sideways: thank folks,, need to go
Zen Arado: thanks for discussion Eliza
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: bye
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen :) bye for now