2010.11.03 13:00 - Politics will get us nowhere

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Freud!
Freud Jungsten: osiyo
Freud Jungsten: How are you today?
Aphrodite Macbain: what do those letters mean
Freud Jungsten: Hello is Tsalagi and other Native American languages.
Freud Jungsten: in Tsalagi
Aphrodite Macbain: where is that language spoken?
Freud Jungsten: Tsalagi being Cherokee.
--BELL--
Freud Jungsten: Oklahoma and the Caroloinias in the USA.
Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful! wish I could hear you saying it
Aphrodite Macbain: are you Cherokee
Aphrodite Macbain: ?
Freud Jungsten: Moslty.
Freud Jungsten: Typical Oklahoma Native American mut though.
Aphrodite Macbain: you must be glad you have learned the language
Freud Jungsten: osiyo feflonz
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Fefonz
Freud Jungsten: I grew up with it.
Fefonz Quan: osiyo Freud
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds like "I see you" :-)
Fefonz Quan: Hi Aphrodite
Freud Jungsten: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: which, I believe, is what namaste means
Aphrodite Macbain: I see the spirit in you
Aphrodite Macbain: how are you doing these days? Freud
Freud Jungsten: I guess that is somewhat simular.
Freud Jungsten: under a bit of a strain, but In a good mood about things.
Freud Jungsten: Thanks.
Freud Jungsten: You?
Aphrodite Macbain: just fighting the flu.
Freud Jungsten: Ick... so not good.
Aphrodite Macbain: What do you both think about the electin results?
Freud Jungsten: I know quite a few folk sthat are sick right now.
Aphrodite Macbain: election
Freud Jungsten: Start of the season.
Freud Jungsten: Glad that is over.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'll bet. Disappointing
Freud Jungsten: Too bad we could not throw OBama out as well.
Fefonz Quan: why is it dissapointing?
Aphrodite Macbain: I like Obama. He's really trying his best to fix a mess he inheritaed
Freud Jungsten: Tired of the sexist racist homohating and theiving.
Freud Jungsten: lol.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. but that is certainly not what Obama supports!
Fefonz Quan: I think he is all talking and no doing
Freud Jungsten: I think he is tring to economically rape my generation while promooting his limited and hate filled world view.... ]
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Arch!
Freud Jungsten: brb at work.
Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm. I guess my experiences have been vastly different from yours,
Aphrodite Macbain: I was SO relieved when Obama got in.
Archmage Atlantis: Hmm, politics
Aphrodite Macbain: yes - a sensitive subject
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Aph, Arch, and Fef.
Bruce Mowbray: none
Fefonz Quan: I think that Obama getting in was an important moment by itself, but it says more about the american people than on him
Aphrodite Macbain: Storm came over shortly after you left and fixd myplot so it doesn't glow so brightly
Archmage Atlantis: Well one one which people have opinions......only sensitive if ppl can't discuss
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bruce
Fefonz Quan: Hi Bruce, Arch
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm one step removed, being Canadian
Archmage Atlantis: Discussion is not name calling and demonization
Bruce Mowbray: Make room for me in Canada if Sarah and/or her ilk take the White House in 2012.
Aphrodite Macbain: But as Trudeau once said, living next to the US is like sleeping with an elephant.
Aphrodite Macbain: When it turns over, so do you
Bruce Mowbray: Believe that, Aph!
Archmage Atlantis: A shrinking elephant *g*
Fefonz Quan: nice :)
Aphrodite Macbain: wonder what will happen now. It will fed the talk shows for months
Archmage Atlantis: Be bettter as an elephant with a shrink
Aphrodite Macbain: feed
Aphrodite Macbain: an elephant with a shrink??
Archmage Atlantis: (apologies to any pscyh majprs)
Archmage Atlantis: *majors
Bruce Mowbray: I listened to the press conference this afternoon and was SO PROUD of our President.
Aphrodite Macbain: does it need a shrink or does it need to shrink?
Aphrodite Macbain: why Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: So decent, intelligent, wanting to compromise and make democracy work. . . Now we will see if that can happen.
Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps this is even a bigger challenge
Archmage Atlantis: Hmmm, if we in the US live and walk the walk, only a shrink :)
Fefonz Quan: if only the world would be made of press conferences, he would have ruled forever
Bruce Mowbray: Agreed, Fef. So articulate.
Aphrodite Macbain: Fefonz? please say more
Fefonz Quan: as i see it, the job of a president is not to talk, but to act and influence. jay leno talks
Aphrodite Macbain: I like to hear what a president has to say before he acts. I like to hear his way of thinking
Fefonz Quan: i like that too, but in this case it seems like apart from talking nicely, he is not doing very well.
Fefonz Quan: (me not being an american, just to clarify)
Archmage Atlantis: I can't see how one can lead without talking about a vision
Aphrodite Macbain: right
Fefonz Quan: sure, but one can talk without leading
Aphrodite Macbain: ure, but a leader should do both
Archmage Atlantis: 300,000,000 ppl?
Bruce Mowbray: Obama has been trying hard to act, but it seems that every step of the way he's been blocked (in Congress), so now he's appealing to the American people as much as to the new Congress-people.
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Archmage Atlantis: Much less 1,400,000,000 in China
Aphrodite Macbain: No wonder Mao ahad problems
Archmage Atlantis: and 9,000,000,000 in the world
Fefonz Quan: (what is the context of those numbers?)
Aphrodite Macbain: you mean their source?
Archmage Atlantis: The context is how many are any group anyone here attends......how many ppl are there
Fefonz Quan: anyone here in the circle? do we have chinese?
Fefonz Quan: sorry, maybe i am losing sentences here due to lag, i didn't understand what did arch's "[13:14] Archmage Atlantis: 300,000,000 ppl?" answered or responded to
Bruce Mowbray: population of the US.
Fefonz Quan: did someone asked that?
Aphrodite Macbain: Tere are 300, 000 people in the US and the president is responsible to all of them
Fefonz Quan: ok.
Bruce Mowbray: and is appealing to all of them. . . which I truly appreciate.
Aphrodite Macbain: Arch. you said" 300,000 people?"
Bruce Mowbray: 2Fef -- sometimes we start at the end, or the middle, or at random places in between ;-)
Fefonz Quan: yes, random Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: 300M would be the abbreviation, 300,000,000 is just the same
Aphrodite Macbain: I am still mystified why people are mad at Obama. All he has been trying to do is fix the problems
Aphrodite Macbain: that he inheritated and that have been chronic
Fefonz Quan: i can say, aphro, but it's just my point of view
Archmage Atlantis: They are mad, Aph, because the problems aren't fixed
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Wol.
Aphrodite Macbain: Lke health care and teh economy
Wol Euler: hello arch, fef, aphro, bruce
Archmage Atlantis: 1 year is the most one gets in the US
Fefonz Quan: or maybe his foreign policy is the worst for decades?
Aphrodite Macbain: How can someone fix something so huge in one year
Aphrodite Macbain: what is wrong with his foreign policy. He has been making friends, not enemies
Fefonz Quan: how can someone bring down a big fire? don't know for sure but not by adding oil to it
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Wol!!
Bruce Mowbray: No one said a word about foreign policy during the campaigning for this election -- and no one mentioned wars, etc.
Wol Euler smiles apologetically. I'm sorry, I'm just not in the mood for politics tonight.
Wol Euler: see you tomorrow :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wol......thinking that is a new outfit
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Wol.
Aphrodite Macbain: stressful isn't it?
Fefonz Quan: ah, Wol
Aphrodite Macbain: you look lovely
Aphrodite Macbain: looked
Bruce Mowbray: She has a better system in Germany.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. They have an excellent chancellor
Fefonz Quan: why don't i see Wol?
Bruce Mowbray: I wish America had a parliamentary system -- then we wouldn't have such stalemates -- and not be able to deal with crises when they happen.
Aphrodite Macbain: she just left. didn't want to talk politics
Archmage Atlantis: Wol has had enuf of politics
Fefonz Quan: yes...
Aphrodite Macbain: and she's tired
Aphrodite Macbain: you have a form of Parliamentary system tho - an uppoer and lower house, and you elect your senate
Fefonz Quan: America's status in the world is declining, and more so for the last 2 years
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Aph, she is tired. She attended Pamala's States of Being in SL lecture last night and left about 3 a.m. (Germany time).
Aphrodite Macbain: In canada the senate is appointed by the govt in power
Aphrodite Macbain: urg 3AM!
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Aph - but our Constitution was designed to limit the powers of a monarch. Now we need a system that can get things DONE.
Aphrodite Macbain: which is nsot a good thing. It's a nold boy's club'
Aphrodite Macbain: Checks and balances...
Aphrodite Macbain: but it's nice to know there's control of the president when Bush is in power!
Archmage Atlantis: This forum is Play as Being.....it centers around a small space of time in which one letsgo, whatever that may mean to the attendee, or what is at the forefront of the mind.
Aphrodite Macbain: Which forum are you referring to Arch?
Fefonz Quan: yes, i guess politics will get us nowhere
Bruce Mowbray: Aph and I are "letting go" -- Are you, Arch?
Aphrodite Macbain: arch can't...
Bruce Mowbray: SURE he can!
Archmage Atlantis: AT this point it is a challenge to let go, yes
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I'm trying to let go of a bad cold that I've had for a week.
Aphrodite Macbain: Mines got me by the backbone and keeps shaking me
Archmage Atlantis: Got my flu shots today.....they almost require us old folk to get them
Bruce Mowbray: I need to get a flu shot too.
Archmage Atlantis: Yep, I don't want to be a vector to others
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes this old folk needs one too but I'm hesitant labout getting one when I feel bad already
Fefonz Quan: I never took one...
Bruce Mowbray: I get one every year, but can't get it while I still have a caold.
Fefonz Quan: did you get flu before the shots started?
Aphrodite Macbain: Fefonz - you're probably a young folk
Fefonz Quan: well, it's relative :)
Archmage Atlantis: Don't judge please Aph.............
Aphrodite Macbain: judge what Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: Meat puppets, as some call them, do serve as vectors to younger folk
Archmage Atlantis: Age
Fefonz Quan: (vectors? )
Archmage Atlantis: vector = transmission agent
Aphrodite Macbain: No judgement - just guessing. Age is an arbitrary measure
Fefonz Quan: I can say my age is around the average age :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, Mine is about average for my age
Fefonz Quan: tautology, isn't it? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: This meat puppet is going to eat lunch now. Bye! all
Archmage Atlantis: Chukles....good one Aph
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye!
Fefonz Quan: by aph, sometime i'll find what a meat puppet is
Fefonz Quan: one day*
Bruce Mowbray: I think "meat puppet" means one's biological avatar (RL).
Fefonz Quan: oh, that's cruel... is that a term from the retreAT?
Archmage Atlantis: No, from transhumanism
Fefonz Quan: what happened to the pavilion? is see it all in triangles
Bruce Mowbray: don't know, Fef. -- Oh yes, from T.H. That's where I saw it.
Archmage Atlantis: imo, transhumanism w/o ethics
Fefonz Quan: what do you mean from TH?
Fefonz Quan: ah, thanks
Bruce Mowbray: T.H. = "transhumanism"
Fefonz Quan: do you seee the pavilion as regular?
Bruce Mowbray: yep - Pavilion looks fine to moi.
Archmage Atlantis: I see the pavilion as I always see it
Fefonz Quan: i see us all as contours and lines
Bruce Mowbray predicts that Fef might be crashing soon. . . (sorry).
Archmage Atlantis: Triangles, boxes.....that usually means a slow connection
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: As all in SL is created from basic geometric shapes.
Bruce Mowbray: Guys, I was up VERY late last night with the election returns, and need to take a nap now.
Bruce Mowbray: May you both be well and happy.
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
Archmage Atlantis: Yea, night Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: G'night.
Fefonz Quan: night Bruce
Fefonz Quan: I sent the snapshot to the google email group
Archmage Atlantis: K
Archmage Atlantis: i don't often believe in divine coincidence
Fefonz Quan: me neither
Archmage Atlantis: Still this appreared
Archmage Atlantis: So I sall leave it here in the circle
Archmage Atlantis: 10 You can indeed afford to laugh at fear thoughts, remembering that God goes with you wherever you go.
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
Archmage Atlantis: Bye for now
Fefonz Quan: leave what in the circle?
Fefonz Quan: by Arch