2011.02.05 19:00 - Biting into an Apple

The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

Pema Pera: hi Eos!
Pema Pera: just about the right time to go to BMC, wouldn't you say?
Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
Pema Pera: wonder what's playing there now . . .
Pema Pera: hi Observem
Eos Amaterasu: Cha Wa Mardi Gras Indians are playing
Pema Pera: ah, you checking on the web? Is it mardi gras already?
Pema Pera: or just the name of the band?
Eos Amaterasu: maybe next Tuesday?
Pema Pera: it was quite a transition to come back to the snow and ice here . . . . more so even for you I guess
Eos Amaterasu: the mardi gras indians seem to be a cross between black voodooistas and Native Americans local to NOLA
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, in the minus teens here when I got back
Pema Pera: sound interesting enough to have a look!
Eos Amaterasu: Are you doing something for Art of Being Self?
Pema Pera hangs head
Pema Pera: and admits that he will only be an observer . . .
Eos Amaterasu: I've just been scurrying around changing shape a bit
Pema Pera: but at least I can come as an alt :-)
Eos Amaterasu: tried a demo skin, than could not find my old shape to put back on :-)
Eos Amaterasu: if you drop what you have, you may not get it back :-)
Pema Pera: hahaha, that happened to me a number of times
Pema Pera: yes!
Pema Pera: during my first half year in SL I tried all kind of things, and often got confused . . .

The talk turns to mirrors

Eos Amaterasu: seems mirrors are hard to find in SL
Pema Pera: mirrors?
Eos Amaterasu: yes, I'd like to find a mirror
Pema Pera: in Qwaq, where Stim and I played around before coming to SL, most every room had a mirror :)
Pema Pera: was fun
Eos Amaterasu: and you coulod see yourself in it?
Pema Pera: oh yes, and the whole room
Pema Pera: it give you a nice sense of the whole room without trying to swivel camera positions in contorted ways
Eos Amaterasu: there are pools that reflect the sky, or seem to
Pema Pera: I miss that, actually
Eos Amaterasu: Hi SophiaSharon
Pema Pera: hi Sharon, nice to see you on a Saturday night!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eos, Hi Pema :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks! you too!
Eos Amaterasu: SS, have you run across any mirrors in SL?
Pema Pera: well, I guess we now have a circle!
Eos Amaterasu: hand mirrors, for exampe?
SophiaSharon Larnia: not realistic ones
SophiaSharon Larnia: i can make you a small one do you need it by tomorrow? :P
Eos Amaterasu: Actually, yes :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D

and to Amaterasu

Eos Amaterasu: It's the story of Amaterasu
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eos Amaterasu: She is put into a cave, and walled in there
Eos Amaterasu: But since she is the sun goddess, the sun does not shine, and the crops do not grow
Eos Amaterasu: so eventually people open up the cave
Eos Amaterasu: and she is enticed to come out by a trickster dancing
Eos Amaterasu: then she sees a mirror, shining
Eos Amaterasu: with a beautiful woman in it
Eos Amaterasu: it is her!
Eos Amaterasu: then she comes out of the cave
Eos Amaterasu: shining
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
--BELL--
Pema Pera: a great story, Eos!
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: why was she put in a cave?
Pema Pera: And you're going to enact that tomorrow?
Pema Pera: had she read Plato?
Eos Amaterasu: Ahem.... I've delayed till the last moment
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eos Amaterasu: perhaps.... I could rez a cave
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
Pema Pera: a one-person cave?
Pema Pera: or a two-seater?
Eos Amaterasu: heh heh.... cave for one....

Sharon is happy to provide many SL items :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: if you want, ill make the cave too :D
Eos Amaterasu: oooh!
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Eos Amaterasu: wow!
Pema Pera: I can see an ad: divine, single, looking for cave
SophiaSharon Larnia: wont take long
Eos Amaterasu: then.... looking to get out
Pema Pera: :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Eos Amaterasu: that story is a bit similar to the stable boy one
Pema Pera: ah yes, indeed!
Pema Pera: the cave man version
Pema Pera: cave woman version
Eos Amaterasu: ugh!
Pema Pera: no shit though
SophiaSharon Larnia: seriously laughing
Pema Pera: well, this is still one of our Being theme sessions -- I just send a note suggesting that we end the series here
Pema Pera: nothing is good enough to last forever
Eos Amaterasu: end at the end
SophiaSharon Larnia: sees moving dots :)
Pema Pera: I suggested this series of four theme sessions each weekend as a direct response to the first SL retreat
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza and Wilifred :)
Pema Pera: and with the second coming up, it may be time to do something different
Pema Pera: hi Eliza
Pema Pera: hi Wil!
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza, Wilifred
Wilfrid Resident: HI Pema:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema, Eos, Wil, Sharon, Observm :)
Pema Pera: But if you are interested we could make one last round
Pema Pera: going clockwise and talking about how we see/feel/explore/grok PaB or anything related to it :-)
Wilfrid Resident: Hello Eos, Sharon, Eliza
Pema Pera: or do you prefer to just talk as a group?

Sharon shared some personal experiences

SophiaSharon Larnia: can I share something i experienced yesterday?
Pema Pera: of course!
Wilfrid Resident: Beautiful robe Eos!
Eliza Madrigal listens
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Eos Amaterasu: thnx...
Eos Amaterasu listens
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eos, it is
Eliza Madrigal: yes really nice, Eos
SophiaSharon Larnia: yesterday i it into an apple
SophiaSharon Larnia: bit*
SophiaSharon Larnia: I had a picture of many beings biting into an apple. We looked at the apple, savored it's color and variety, experiencing the colors of red and green in our own way, the shape of the round apple and its stem in all its varieties. We tasted 'apple' and knew what that was, but each of us experienced the taste of 'apple' in our own way.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I wrote some of this out because it was somethng different
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating observation, Sharon...
Pema Pera: how nice, Sharon, I guess you were in New Orleans after all, in spirit -- Lia had a somewhat similar experience that she related in the middle of the retreat!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Some of us were sitting in our living room watching tv while eating the apple, some of us were walking down the street while biting into the apple, some of us were young and sitting in a cafeteria with all the noise that goes with that eating the apple Mom packed, and the list goes on and on.
SophiaSharon Larnia: really? :)
Eliza Madrigal: a million associations in one apple
Eliza Madrigal: moments
Pema Pera: ah, not as dramatically diverse as your second paragraph
SophiaSharon Larnia: I wonder if an aspect of multidimensionality isn't really somewhere 'out there' or 'above or below' this one, but sideways.
Pema Pera: but similar in seeing many versions of herself
Pema Pera: who were wondering who was who :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ")
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Pema Pera: do you remember more details about Lia multiplying Lias, Eos or Eliza?
SophiaSharon Larnia: no i was who i am
Pema Pera: oh, sorry, I misunderstood
Pema Pera: I thought that somehow you were all those beings
Pema Pera: perhaps I was primed too much by LIa's story!
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol

Taste and Fractals

Eliza Madrigal: I can taste a little of what sharon tasted.... bite in and the memories in time are all in the same place... something like that...?
Eos Amaterasu: sounds like experiencing this-happening as a fractal of all-thises-happening
SophiaSharon Larnia: in this body im me, just reading stories all around
Wilfrid Resident: Sideways into multidemsionality :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: or groking them
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: sounds like it was a powerful experience . . .
Wilfrid Resident: *Multidimensionality :)
Eos Amaterasu: everyone from Eve on out :-)
Eliza Madrigal grins
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, it made me think the 'apple' experience is filed, and multiple tags made to its reference, the 'apple' experience having no Time tag.
Pema Pera: ah, how interesting, Sharon, and somehow similar to Vector's "kire" or cut in haiku . . .
Eliza Madrigal: seems to have something to do with the vividness of the attention ...
Eos Amaterasu: yeah.... vividness cuts.... and the whole universe pours in
SophiaSharon Larnia: I was just sitting in my car having lunch :)
Eliza Madrigal: it was having you :)
Wilfrid Resident: ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Pema Pera: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i was thinking about something i had written earlier in the day to someone
Wilfrid Resident: yes?

An amusing little misunderstanding :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: haha i didnt mean to say anything more about that :)
Wilfrid Resident: Ah.
SophiaSharon Larnia: just wonder. living on multiplelevel of awareness
Pema Pera: hahaha, we were all waiting with baited breath . . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
Pema Pera: nono, was fun :)
Wilfrid Resident: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: yes, such an experience as you described makes one feel the narrowness of our usual frame of mind
Wilfrid Resident: imagaining multiple connections with your email
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: to be honest, I do feel somewhat bereft
Wilfrid Resident: or handwriioten letter on papurus as you were diving sideways into multiple layers of reality
SophiaSharon Larnia: like i lost something
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Eliza Madrigal: :) Wilfrid
Pema Pera trying to imagine timeless spam in a multidimensional universe, appearing all at once)
Wilfrid Resident: Timeless spam :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: more like scribbles lost in the bottom of a bookcase
Eliza Madrigal: how lost...? seems a new door 'way' of exploration...
SophiaSharon Larnia: or on the internet
SophiaSharon Larnia: hats a lot of chatter Pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: thats*
Wilfrid Resident: Cybernautics multiplel layers of apples...
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant explain the feeling of loss
SophiaSharon Larnia: its just there
Pema Pera: Indra's internet . . .
Eos Amaterasu: SophiaSharon, lost the experience, or in the experience lost something?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok erase and retype hmmmm :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes that's fine, just interested ...
Eliza Madrigal: :) Pema
Wilfrid Resident: Some past lives specialists say we live parallel lives as well...
SophiaSharon Larnia: in no time :)
Eos Amaterasu: (there is an ISP in Denver called Indra's Net)
Wilfrid Resident: giggles
Wilfrid Resident: Not very manly :( Clears his throat...
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe

Eos sums it up

Eos Amaterasu: parallel lives in no time - that sounds right :-)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Pema Pera: I thought about a booklet: "parallel lives in thirty days"
Wilfrid Resident: It's snowing in RL. Taking a peek through the window.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think everyone feels this loss thats what seeking is ablout
Pema Pera: a loss of certainty, Sharon?
SophiaSharon Larnia: of something, like we know we are connected and keep looking for it
Eliza Madrigal looks through Wil's eyes looking through window...
SophiaSharon Larnia: almost like it wasnt part of the program
Eos Amaterasu: (might be the same snow I'm seeing)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ah! yes Sharon that makes so much sense
Eos Amaterasu: nostalgia for what's (almost) present
SophiaSharon Larnia: coming here makes me feel less psychotic though, i wrote that bit before, and went whew! Cant show that to many
Pema Pera: here you can show anything, Sharon :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Wilfrid Resident: I edxperineced something similar to that years ago Sharon.
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?

About nostalgia

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes feeling a deep vien of nostalgia, from i dont kno when/where
Wilfrid Resident: I was taking a shower, driving a car in Paris and a few more things at the same instant. Not as focused as you were on an apple. But multidimensional.
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: how many billions of experience the 'driving a car' experience, greater intensitiy to see doing all of those things at once, Wilfred!
Wilfrid Resident: Friends kindly told me I was going psychotic and I got scared but I can almost taste your "apple"...and nostalgia.
Pema Pera: :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: there is often this persistent feeling of being steps removed from something very obvious
SophiaSharon Larnia: I wonder if the nostalgia is grasping
SophiaSharon Larnia: hungry for experience
Pema Pera: perhaps a feeling of "paradise lost"?
Eos Amaterasu: could also be that you can't grasp
Pema Pera: return to innocence?
SophiaSharon Larnia: paradise lost is notime allatonce maybe
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know, i reserve the right to say something completely different tomorrow
SophiaSharon Larnia: kidding
Eliza Madrigal: the steps removed seem added layers.. all very funny
Eliza Madrigal: hah Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: I think I'd better sign off... eyes crossing but thanks for sharing that Sharon and Eden...
SophiaSharon Larnia: like someone mastering grade school and then moving onto high school
Pema Pera: yes, that's important Sharon -- that flexibility!
Wilfrid Resident: Clears his throat...
SophiaSharon Larnia: goodnight Eliza sweet dreams
Eos Amaterasu: good night, eliza
Wilfrid Resident: Good night Eliza sweetie :)
Pema Pera: night Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: Sweet dreams everyone :) Night
Wilfrid Resident: Eliza could'nt tell the difference between my interface and my male avatar, I wonder if that is a good sign...
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not sure i undertsand
Wilfrid Resident: She aclled me Eden. I'm Wilfrid, her triplet.
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah :)
Eos Amaterasu: not twin, triplet?

Wilfrid came up with a brilliant phrase

Wilfrid Resident: Still in my "Alt of Being" experiment.
Pema Pera: part of Sharon's parallel visions?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I still havent written a nc
Wilfrid Resident: By the way Sahron, I cannot grab your note from your picture, which is really beautiful. Sad :(
Wilfrid Resident: Ah, that solves the mystery then :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: took me weeks to get into it now have ideas that are kind of bizzare and not sure if i was to share lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: want to*
Wilfrid Resident: Yes, we have our sister Rrose too.
Pema Pera: :-)
Wilfrid Resident: Ideas tend to get bizarre yes... around this Alt of being thing...
SophiaSharon Larnia: my exploration as a male, i saw the world as a womans world which is strange thinking
SophiaSharon Larnia: seeing as how it seems opposite
Pema Pera: Alt of being . . . like a Japanese version of Art of being . . . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: alot of that is seeing how all this freebie stuff was for women, but when i pulled my view to the rl, saw it there too
Wilfrid Resident: yes, I think Zen made a typo and I thought it was a new title. Have been using it. Bleu told me today it is ART of Being...
SophiaSharon Larnia: :) pmea
SophiaSharon Larnia: Pema*
Pema Pera: I like "Alt of Being!"
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes hahaha
Wilfrid Resident: Me too :)
Pema Pera: perhaps like "the Dark side"??
Eos Amaterasu: Next we'll have Pray as Being :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: how could there be an alt of being, scary thought?
Pema Pera: that would go tooooo far, Eos
Wilfrid Resident: scared
SophiaSharon Larnia: then it would be being

Instead of me playing as Being, I could see Being playing me as an alt

Pema Pera: Play as an Alt of Being
SophiaSharon Larnia: wouldnt* be
Wilfrid Resident: I'm an alt of Eden who is Being for me.
Pema Pera: perhaps that's what all of us are doing already!
Wilfrid Resident: Eden is an alt too.
SophiaSharon Larnia: so is ssl, and sharon too
Wilfrid Resident: As the real avatar is an alt also.
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: I'm warming up to this Alt of Being idea . . . !
Pema Pera: walming up, rather
Wilfrid Resident: The dark side of the force...
Pema Pera: hi Calvino
SophiaSharon Larnia: alt means alternative personality, im confused, as usaual!
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Cal :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone :)
Eos Amaterasu: there is no native: it's all alter
Wilfrid Resident: Hi
SophiaSharon Larnia: oooh ok i get it, an "alt" of being doh
Wilfrid Resident: All alter of Being...
SophiaSharon Larnia: sort of
Eos Amaterasu: for Pray as Being
Wilfrid Resident: You
SophiaSharon Larnia: apple as being
Pema Pera: like playing Sharon as Sharon being an Alt of Being
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Being coughed me up
Wilfrid Resident: Eos, is an imam ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know, maybe Im a splinter for a reason
--BELL--
Wilfrid Resident: or a televangelist ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Pema Pera: slevangelist?

Time for me to get going

Pema Pera: well, time for me to go
Eos Amaterasu: Must leave after the midnight bell
Wilfrid Resident: Thank you for sharing this Sahron. Bye everyone. Time to go to bed.
Pema Pera: thanks a lot, Sharon, for sharing!
Pema Pera: very lively images, inspiring
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema and Wilfred :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thankj you as always :)))
Pema Pera: bye everybody
Eos Amaterasu: bye all!
Calvino Rabeni: Take care, everyone
Calvino Rabeni: Handsome outfit, Eos
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Cal :) sweet dreams ))
Eos Amaterasu: thnx, cal - see you tomorrow!
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening