The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

Eliza Madrigal: interesting talk :)
Eliza Madrigal: some edges I don't think I've pondered before in that way
Riddle Sideways: some spaces too
Lucinda Lavender: would you like or have time to say more?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... spaces too
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... well just as Adams was sharing about a bicycle accident weeks ago, I sort of saw something a bit more clearly...
Eliza Madrigal: about 'how' we see and 'move' and live... how necessary 'not seeing the other side' is...
Eliza Madrigal: and how that gives the permission/dimension
Eliza Madrigal: in a sense
Eliza Madrigal: the space
Eliza Madrigal: to enter experience
Eliza Madrigal: strange to articulate
Riddle Sideways: please keep trying
Riddle Sideways: am sort of getting it
Eliza Madrigal: but helpful for me, as inside/outside spaces seem to flip or be open, more and more as one is receptive...
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm... may have been my best shot for now.. but something about 'how' spaces are seen to be accessible depends on the gap...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Eliza Madrigal: the back of things
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Yaku:)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yaku :)
Riddle Sideways: Hey Yak
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, not seeing the back side. defines the back side so we know the front side??
Lucinda Lavender: hm...pondering
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... hm....
Eliza Madrigal: yes a bit
Riddle Sideways: can judge the distance to the side of the male truck we will hit?
Eliza Madrigal: so we struggle to see the other side in some of these exercises or to factor it in... but it is just part of things... what makes things the way they are
Eliza Madrigal: container
Sunshine Vayandar: hi there ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Sun:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sun
Riddle Sideways: Hi Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: Hi Eliza ;) Yaku, Riddle ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: Luci, Fef ;)
Lucinda Lavender: we are exploring how we see...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) how we see?
Riddle Sideways: we are completely confused over maybe seeing the backside of containers
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: 'don't worry there is nothing real about your confusion'
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: the backside?
Lucinda Lavender: in seeing a mail truck...
Eliza Madrigal: out of 'nowhere'
Lucinda Lavender: I am assuming:)
Riddle Sideways: in summary (maybe) it is good/bad to see/not see the backsides
Fefonz Quan: (leaves quitely, RL keeps me busy lately)
Eliza Madrigal: mis you Fef
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
Eliza Madrigal: kiss the baby
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Fef
Riddle Sideways: ah, new baby life for fef
Lucinda Lavender: getting closer to understanding now..
Eliza Madrigal: well I tried to articulate some sketch of something....
Eliza Madrigal: best leave it at that, hah
Riddle Sideways: almost saw your image
Lucinda Lavender: I had the expereince of crossing a street once...where I ended up due to not seeing around the other side of a bus...
Riddle Sideways: then the blind carpenter picked up his hammer and saw
Lucinda Lavender: in running into an approacing bicyclist who was on the other side...
Eliza Madrigal: the container appears because of the back we don't see ... something like that... which very much seems applicable to 'flatlander' mind
Eliza Madrigal: ack, Luci!
Lucinda Lavender: when crossing the street I ran in to the cyclist as I touched the curb and fractured my ankle
Lucinda Lavender: nither of us could see the other side
Eliza Madrigal: possibly more unnerving than being hit is when one hits someone else (with anything) and comes to terms with how much grace is at play ever second
Eliza Madrigal: *every
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Lucinda Lavender: I was after that in a full leg cast on day one of walking trip in UK
Eliza Madrigal: ouch insult to injury
Riddle Sideways: oh dear
Lucinda Lavender: but I came home pregnant which was the idea...:)
Eliza Madrigal: aw :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: the cast helped somehow I guess... hehe
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps so...
--BELL--
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm interesting - I am trying to see what u see
Riddle Sideways: why oh why, did I just meditate 90 seconds on UK drives on the wrong side of the road and that has some cause and effect in this conversation
Sunshine Vayandar: little confusing ;)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
Eliza Madrigal: confusion is the richest ground around here...
Lucinda Lavender: I meditated on space
Sunshine Vayandar: We are also driving on the wong side
Sunshine Vayandar: wrong
Lucinda Lavender: and whether contained or not
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Riddle Sideways: wrong is in the eye of the group beholders
Sunshine Vayandar: I meditated on meditation
Lucinda Lavender: I also l tried ...letting go of my story
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eliza Madrigal: 'insult to injury' is a funny phenomenon too... like, when I was very ill and could hardly walk, I began to be given gifts of the most beautiful shoes... so there was this element of synchronicity, but... painful and perplexing :)
Lucinda Lavender: ah...interesting
Lucinda Lavender: there was the gift of slowing down for the knocked down person
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Eliza Madrigal: sounds like tricks, heh
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: where one's attention is/magic/etc
Lucinda Lavender: many gifts in awareness
Eliza Madrigal: gifts in awareness... yes
Eliza Madrigal stops t smile at how colorful Luci is .. positvely blooming :)
Lucinda Lavender: when thinking about the other side issue...and seeing...is it that in receptivity one sees more?
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)) yes she is
Lucinda Lavender: I like colors:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, in that receptivity, there is 'enough'
Lucinda Lavender: and they seem to be the opposite of emptiness
Eliza Madrigal: but none other than...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: like in dreams when whatever is needed is known to have been always there
Sunshine Vayandar listens
Eliza Madrigal: more and more transparent interfaces... multidimensionality....
Eliza Madrigal: wish I was a computer geek
Lucinda Lavender: wish you could crete a model?
Sunshine Vayandar: yes even in SL
Eliza Madrigal: the best seem to have this language ...
Riddle Sideways: no it is a bad life
Sunshine Vayandar: why riddle
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, woken up from my nudging
Eliza Madrigal: :D
Lucinda Lavender: as an artist once can kind of paint it perhaps
Sunshine Vayandar: I started making a build about 'hollow bamboo meditation'
Eliza Madrigal: AH!
Sunshine Vayandar: but not sure how to make the disappearing walls
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... exactly
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe here it is
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: ty, did not get time to read the text. will play later
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
Eliza Madrigal: not leaving....
Eliza Madrigal: yet...
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok :)
Lucinda Lavender: I just had a phoe calll...
Sunshine Vayandar: riddle likes it ;)
Eliza Madrigal: was seeing if it was phantom to walk into
Eliza Madrigal: hehe....
Riddle Sideways: hahaha, sitting on the bamboo
Yakuzza Lethecus: i use the camera
Eliza Madrigal: I love hollow bamboo meditation....
Yakuzza Lethecus: to see riddle´s text
Lucinda Lavender: cool!
Riddle Sideways: neat
Sunshine Vayandar: so I need to make it transparent
Eliza Madrigal: hm, nods....
Sunshine Vayandar: step by step
Tallin Dezno: hi and sry : my avatar does not load ...
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Tallin ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tallin, we're talking about being more and more transparent containers....
Lucinda Lavender: I wish I could take a photo...
Riddle Sideways: like the wall on (somebody) plot
Eliza Madrigal: like receptive bamboo
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Tallin
Tallin Dezno: hmmm - what is it for ?
Eliza Madrigal: awareness
Tallin Dezno: ah ? nice ... :-)
Lucinda Lavender: hi observerm
Eliza Madrigal: ahhhh... see riddle below now
Riddle Sideways: Hi Tallin and observum
Eliza Madrigal: I get it.... wonderful Sun
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Arisia Vita: Hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert und ari
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Ari ;)
Lucinda Lavender: trying to get the photo tall enough...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lugh
Tallin Dezno: hi arisia ! (sry, my avatar does not load) ... :-/
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Lugh
Sunshine Vayandar: may be once I know how to disappear with this meditation - I will know what script to use
Yakuzza Lethecus: and lugh
Yakuzza Lethecus: there must be a nest :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Lugh
Lucinda Lavender: Tallin have you been here before?
Eliza Madrigal: a no-context, no-story nest
Lugh Fehr: hellow tu le mond
Eliza Madrigal: lotus nest
Tallin Dezno: yes. this is a bertram alt lucinda
Sunshine Vayandar: salut cher Lugh ca va?
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Lugh Fehr: why is evryone standing around?
Tallin Dezno: and ty for asking
Eliza Madrigal: standing meditation Lugh
Lugh Fehr: est benne
Tallin Dezno: i don´t stand around
Lucinda Lavender: we have been exploring the hollow place
Riddle Sideways: Tallin, I have tried to make that av
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: :) yw Tallin...
Tallin Dezno: you tried to do - what pls riddle ? :-)
Eliza Madrigal: ack... I have to go... thanks Luci and everyone....
Lucinda Lavender: hellow Arisia ...
Riddle Sideways: bye Elix
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Eliza ;) chat soon
Riddle Sideways: za
Lugh Fehr: oh like a portable meditation boot nice
Tallin Dezno: byee eliza
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Sunshine Vayandar: hugs ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs, Namaste'
Riddle Sideways: tried to make the rez cloud as an avi
Lucinda Lavender: thank you Eliza:)
Tallin Dezno: i see - do you see me as the rezz cloud riddle ?
Riddle Sideways: ummm, Bert, luci and Tallin are same?
Lugh Fehr: oh shama wama huuuu
Tallin Dezno: bert = tallin
Riddle Sideways: yes, see you as rez cloud
Tallin Dezno: ah. better as what i see than ! :o)
Tallin Dezno: i see a naked female body (!) should be male ...
Lucinda Lavender: very laggy!
Sunshine Vayandar: Really Tallin
Lugh Fehr: hehe tnx :)
Tallin Dezno: yes - and i have no idea why that is :-(
Sunshine Vayandar: I went topless yesterday here and noone saw it hehe
Tallin Dezno: the other avatar works - on the same computer and connection ...
Tallin Dezno: sometimes sl is weired
Lucinda Lavender: the only unrezzed person here for me is Tallin
Sunshine Vayandar: yes for me too Luci
Lugh Fehr: me three
Lucinda Lavender: Arisia have you been here before?
Riddle Sideways: ok, Eliza left this behind for everybody today
Riddle Sideways: the 1pm ppl with enjoy (or not)
Arisia Vita: yes, ty Lucinda, I am pleased to say I am a guardian...
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Lucinda Lavender: thanks...:) welcome:)
Tallin Dezno: oohh cool - i didn´t know that either - since when is that ari ? :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: Ari is around pab as one of the longest participants i know.
--BELL--
Arisia Vita: yes, a long time...
Riddle Sideways: need to go, bye and thanks all
Arisia Vita: As is the case for most people, there is more to me than meets the eye... :)
Tallin Dezno: byee riddle
Lugh Fehr: bayy riddle
Lucinda Lavender: bye riddle:) thanks
Tallin Dezno: sry - i go and try to find out how to rezz again ...
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee riddle ;)
Lugh Fehr: can you belive it in my country people are fussing about wether or not to bring in divorse !
Lugh Fehr: and it probably wont get in stiupid people
Lucinda Lavender: it can be very unsettleing to see people taking sides ...
Lugh Fehr: yes especialy on stiupid subjects heheh
Lucinda Lavender: earlier we were disussing what can be known with greater receptivity..
Lugh Fehr: very intresting
Lugh Fehr: well i thinck whit unlimited receptivity comes unlimited knolage thats realy what hold us backk
Lugh Fehr: ignorance comes from ignoring i thinck
Lucinda Lavender: my experience has been that through meditation, singing, and dreaming there is expanded awareness...
Lucinda Lavender: yes Lugh...
Lugh Fehr: i wish i could sing nicely :S
Sunshine Vayandar: me too ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: I mean ;S
Lugh Fehr: heheh
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lugh Fehr: do you thinck anyone can learn how to sing or is it determined in birth
Sunshine Vayandar: everyone can sing no?
Lucinda Lavender: some have an easier time at it that is for sure...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes
Lugh Fehr: anyyone can sing but some sing horribly
Sunshine Vayandar: in africa it is more natural
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: noone worries about their voice - they just sing
Sunshine Vayandar: be it horrible or not hehe
Lugh Fehr: most black people i know can sing most whight people cant
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm u think it is determined by color?
Lucinda Lavender: I like to match my voice to others joining together and dissappearing
Lugh Fehr: could be if some have easier time then other then its genetic
Sunshine Vayandar: Lugh - I wonder why u thought of singing just now ;)
--BELL--
Lugh Fehr: she mentioned singing and i always sing alittle after work
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lugh Fehr: i got the moves right but the singing oh god!
Lucinda Lavender: must go for now...off to work...sing on...
Sunshine Vayandar: u too Luci
Lugh Fehr: hehe byebye
Sunshine Vayandar: take care ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye luci
Lucinda Lavender: s thank you take care for all...
Sunshine Vayandar: Lugh I also wish sometimes I could sing better
Sunshine Vayandar: this reminds me of Sara Tavares - do you know her
Lugh Fehr: nope
Sunshine Vayandar: She is from Cape Verde
Sunshine Vayandar: sings in Portuguese
Lugh Fehr: nice!
Sunshine Vayandar: if sunshine could sing - it would sound like her
Sunshine Vayandar: I mean not me - the sun hehe
Lugh Fehr: heheh \;d
Lugh Fehr: :D*
Arisia Vita: Each of us sings the notes life has given us. Sometimes these notes don't fit together easily, conflicting with each other and sounding discordant. But those same notes can, given the proper direction, find ways to combine in beautiful harmony. It is my goal to help both others and myself find that harmony. This in no way limits us, for there are as many harmonious combinations of notes as there are stars in the universe. All I ask is to be given a chance to help--let it begin with me.
Sunshine Vayandar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2i_-F8JftE
Sunshine Vayandar: ã‹¡ Ari
Arisia Vita: and now rl calls me, so I will "sing" to you all my wish for you to be well and happy, till we meet again
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Ari - keep singing too
Arisia Vita: I will if you will... :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ok deal
Arisia Vita: bye for now...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: This song is point of light - amazing lyrics also
Lugh Fehr: sory back my cat lead me away
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: wb ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: my dog is outside
Sunshine Vayandar: he just had a bath - and now we have wet dog smell ;p
Lugh Fehr: hehhe
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Lugh Fehr: grovvy song bdw
Sunshine Vayandar: very - she is an angel
Lugh Fehr: yes quite
Sunshine Vayandar: she must be in another dimension
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I must go - need to have a chat with a friend
Lugh Fehr: ok bye sun cya
Lugh Fehr: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: keep singing and record - send me the mp3
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Lugh Fehr: yes my power supplie soon here hehehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeeee
Lugh Fehr: bebye akuu nice to cya agin