2011.02.26 13:00 - Battling demons, ourselves and our ancestors

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Arch. How are you?
[13:00] Aphrodite Macbain: May I introduce Ping to Koya?
[13:01] Archmage Atlantis: A: Hi Aph
[13:01] Archmage Atlantis: B: Koya is her own self
[13:01] Aphrodite Macbain: Does she speak?
[13:01] Archmage Atlantis: But I will talk to here
[13:02] Archmage Atlantis: Yes she does........but not to otheres
[13:02] Aphrodite Macbain: Ah. Ping only speaks Tibetan
[13:02] Archmage Atlantis: Some hear her purr
[13:02] Aphrodite Macbain: She's a Himalayan panda
[13:02] Archmage Atlantis: I see you
[13:03] Archmage Atlantis: I do not see ping.....at least not yet
[13:03] Aphrodite Macbain: she's hidden by my hair
[13:03] Archmage Atlantis: kk
[13:03] Aphrodite Macbain: You'll have to view me from my rightside
[13:04] Archmage Atlantis: starboard is left...so port is right.....okie dokie
[13:05] Aphrodite Macbain: There she is. I persuaded her to come out. On my port side
[13:05] Aphrodite Macbain: Personally, I prefer sherry
[13:05] Aphrodite Macbain: he he
[13:06] Aphrodite Macbain: Are you planning to go to the March retreat?
[13:07] Archmage Atlantis: I must say, ping looks like a marsupial, the branch that filled the role of racoons in Australian
[13:07] Aphrodite Macbain: yes, not like a panda at all. agreed
[13:08] Aphrodite Macbain: Her brother Pong plays with her a lot
[13:08] Archmage Atlantis: In another 32 minutes I will be going to meditation
[13:08] Archmage Atlantis: Hi druth
[13:08] Aphrodite Macbain: where is that? at the Zen or Budha centre?
[13:08] druth Vlodovic: hi archmage
[13:08] Aphrodite Macbain: Hello druth
[13:08] druth Vlodovic: hi aphrodite
[13:09] Aphrodite Macbain: you've changed your dress
[13:09] Archmage Atlantis: Near my home in Hikari
[13:09] Aphrodite Macbain: where is Hikari?
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: Moon Fargis, who is also a guardian, has been faithful to a regular schedule
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: One one
[13:10] Archmage Atlantis: will get lm
[13:10] Aphrodite Macbain: of what? meditation? thanks
[13:10] Aphrodite Macbain: druth - how is Saturday shaping up for you?
[13:11] druth Vlodovic: uneventful
[13:11] Aphrodite Macbain: (sorry 2 many questions at once)
[13:11] Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to see l'incendies in preparation for the Oscars
[13:11] Lugh Fehr: hellow
[13:11] Aphrodite Macbain: Hellow my fellow
[13:12] druth Vlodovic: lol, np, I'm used to having up to three parallel conversations going in sl, it take s a bit of will power to slow down for pab
[13:12] druth Vlodovic: hi lugh
[13:12] Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
[13:12] Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Lugh. GTSY
[13:12] Lugh Fehr: you too
[13:12] druth Vlodovic: bruce was telling me he meditates in an sl group every morning
[13:12] Aphrodite Macbain: yes at 7AM SL
[13:13] Aphrodite Macbain: at a place called Soul's Journey
[13:13] Aphrodite Macbain: when I am awake, I drop in for the 20 minute mediation
[13:14] Archmage Atlantis: You are young in rl then druth....in my experience, to multitask is to live

[13:15] Aphrodite Macbain: Lugh!
[13:15] Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Lug
[13:15] Aphrodite Macbain: omg (Lugh tranforms himself ino a giant brain/monster)

[13:15] Archmage Atlantis: I just garbaled
[13:15] Lugh Fehr: hey
[13:16] Aphrodite Macbain: garbaled?
[13:16] Archmage Atlantis: Mixed words, meanings and thoughts
[13:16] Archmage Atlantis: garbaled
[13:16] Aphrodite Macbain: You were one scary-looking dude Lugh
[13:16] druth Vlodovic: excessive multitasking tangles the brain :)
[13:17] Aphrodite Macbain: for some reason women are supposed to be able to do it better. Men are more focused
[13:17] Aphrodite Macbain: Nice hat Lugh
[13:17] druth Vlodovic: I was reading a blog by a fellow who was taking hormones to be female and he mentioned that as one side effect
[13:17] Lugh Fehr: tnx :)
[13:18] Aphrodite Macbain: I have you on film
[13:18] Lugh Fehr: hehe tnx :)
[13:19] Aphrodite Macbain: The many faces of Lugh
[13:19] Aphrodite Macbain: anyone seen l'incendies?
[13:19] Aphrodite Macbain: the film?
[13:20] Aphrodite Macbain: quebec production
[13:20] Lugh Fehr: nope
[13:20] druth Vlodovic: what is it about?
[13:23] Aphrodite Macbain: "A mother's last wishes send twins Jeanne and Simon on a journey to Middle East in search of their tangled roots. Adapted from Wajdi Mouawad's acclaimed play, Incendies tells the powerful and moving tale of two young adults' voyage to the core of deep-rooted hatred, never-ending wars and enduring love. "

[13:23] Aphrodite Macbain: it's up for an oscar for best foreign movie
[13:23] Aphrodite Macbain: You are a gaunt looking fakir Lugh (Lugh transforms himslef into a fakir - complete with turban and dhoti)
[13:24] druth Vlodovic: we love stories about passionate people, but don't like to live near them
[13:24] Archmage Atlantis: It is about existing in this life because our mother being raped, actually
[13:24] Lugh Fehr: hehe
[13:24] Aphrodite Macbain: have you seen it Arch?
[13:25] Archmage Atlantis: No, Aph.....the story is familiar
[13:25] Aphrodite Macbain: ah
[13:25] Aphrodite Macbain: how to live with a traumatic past
[13:26] Aphrodite Macbain: Lugh poofed. Got so thin he disappeared
[13:26] druth Vlodovic: beh, I'm on the edge of saying something harsh and cynical again, but I'll spare you all :)
[13:26] Aphrodite Macbain: can you say the same thing without being harsh?
[13:26] druth Vlodovic: wb lugh
[13:27] druth Vlodovic: it's a harsh fact really
[13:27] Aphrodite Macbain: You changed your loin cloth Lugh.
[13:27] Archmage Atlantis: U can't hurt me with it druth.....say it in im
[13:27] Aphrodite Macbain: say it in chat
[13:27] Aphrodite Macbain: why not?
[13:27] Lugh Fehr: say what ? hehe
[13:27] druth Vlodovic: well, I exist because I had a lot of older siblings who didn't survive their infancy
[13:28] Aphrodite Macbain: something unpleasant
[13:28] Archmage Atlantis: "Quiet for a moment Lugh
[13:28] druth Vlodovic: what does this say about me?
[13:28] Aphrodite Macbain: nothing except that you are sensiitive
[13:32] druth Vlodovic: sensitive? only to the present, and current effects on people
[13:28] Aphrodite Macbain: it says more about your mother
[13:29] Aphrodite Macbain: how strong she must be, and optimistic
[13:29] Archmage Atlantis: It will say your are strong
[13:29] druth Vlodovic: yes, they suffered a lot of loss
[13:29] Archmage Atlantis: i must go......blessings and namaste
[13:29] Aphrodite Macbain: are you the youngest, druth?
[13:30] Lugh Fehr: bye arch :)
[13:30] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
[13:30] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Arch. Thanks for being here
[13:31] druth Vlodovic: in the end they had three kids at once because they explored many avenues and kept trying
[13:31] Aphrodite Macbain: good for them. Do you mean they had triplets?
[13:32] druth Vlodovic: adoption mainly
[13:32] druth Vlodovic: what happened before I was born is not part of me, just a vehicle to my present
[13:32] Aphrodite Macbain: ah. what was that like for you? Do you mind if I ask?
[13:33] druth Vlodovic: it wasn't really
[13:33] Aphrodite Macbain: wasnt ?...
[13:33] druth Vlodovic: I knew, forever as far as I can remember, which means I was told young
[13:33] druth Vlodovic: so it was natural
[13:33] druth Vlodovic: and other people's reactions seemed un natural
[13:34] Aphrodite Macbain: what were other people's reactions?
[13:34] druth Vlodovic: well, pity for the attempts, strange reactions towards those adopted
[13:35] Aphrodite Macbain: must have been hard for those adopted then
[13:35] druth Vlodovic: "don't you want to know your *real parents?" I know them well, having lived with them my whole life
[13:35] druth Vlodovic: lol, and I'm carefully not telling you who is who
[13:35] druth Vlodovic: but that is not embarassment, just walking around a possible block to your understanding
[13:36] Aphrodite Macbain: thanks
[13:36] druth Vlodovic: people tried with varying degrees of success to make the adoption thing traumatic in the teens, but it passed quickly
[13:36] druth Vlodovic: sorry ;-/
[13:37] Aphrodite Macbain: sounds like everyone dealt with things very intelligently
[13:37] Aphrodite Macbain: why are you apologizing?
[13:37] druth Vlodovic: in case you feel I've underestimated your intelligence or open mindedness
[13:38] Aphrodite Macbain: oh. no. You have simply been straight forward in answering my questions
[13:38] Aphrodite Macbain: Lugh - are you meditating?
[13:39] Aphrodite Macbain: It is snowing softly outside my window. Onto the rooftops and the trees
[13:40] Aphrodite Macbain: the birds are being very quiet except for those at the pavilion
[13:40] Lugh Fehr: hehe im always meditating hehe no no joking
[13:40] Aphrodite Macbain: really LUgh?
[13:40] druth Vlodovic: always nice to hear them
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: I find them very cheering. wonder why.
[13:41] druth Vlodovic: they sound happy
[13:41] Aphrodite Macbain: yes, they have some sort of positive energy
[13:41] Lugh Fehr: they produce nice music huh
[13:42] Aphrodite Macbain: that registers in my brain - my shark brain
[13:42] druth Vlodovic: ah, I saw you typing, and I was hoping to hear what a life of continuous meditation was like :)
[13:42] Aphrodite Macbain: my instinctive brain
[13:42] druth Vlodovic: you wish to eat them?
[13:42] Lugh Fehr: shark brain hehe i though it was monkey brain
[13:42] Aphrodite Macbain: can you meditate and type at the same time?
[13:42] Aphrodite Macbain: the monkey brain is a whole different animal
[13:43] Lugh Fehr: yes i think u can
[13:43] Lugh Fehr: you can do anything in meditation
[13:43] Aphrodite Macbain: you are using your monkey brain when you type
[13:43] Aphrodite Macbain: something we try to still in meditation
[13:44] Lugh Fehr: only brain i have is monkey brain
[13:44] Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
[13:44] druth Vlodovic: what brains does aphro have?
[13:44] Aphrodite Macbain: the amygdila or shark brain is something we inherit from our ancestors- fight-or flight
[13:45] Aphrodite Macbain: I have the same brain as most others
[13:45] Aphrodite Macbain: just a little older
[13:45] Lugh Fehr: im sure your yunger then millions of people
[13:46] Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, everyone over 6
[13:46] Aphrodite Macbain: 66
[13:47] druth Vlodovic: wow, 666 a good age, large cakes
[13:47] Aphrodite Macbain: lol!
[13:47] Lugh Fehr: your not the anti christ are you?
[13:47] druth Vlodovic: that would explain the shark brain
[13:47] Aphrodite Macbain: can hardly wait till I'm 67. ..
[13:48] druth Vlodovic: what happens then?
[13:48] Lugh Fehr: heh
[13:48] Aphrodite Macbain: then people will stop making remarks likethat...
[13:48] druth Vlodovic: ech, my apologies
[13:49] Aphrodite Macbain: wonder if I can find a devil costme
[13:49] Lugh Fehr: in my stupider days i used to call 21666666 and ask for satan over and over agin
[13:49] druth Vlodovic: who do you get?
[13:49] Aphrodite Macbain: lol. did s/he ever answer?
[13:49] Lugh Fehr: some strange pissed off guy
[13:49] Lugh Fehr: dont blame him though
[13:50] Lugh Fehr: hehe
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: no wonder he was pissed off  if you kept calling him
[13:50] Lugh Fehr: hhehe yes yes i know poor felle
[13:50] druth Vlodovic: call display was a terrible thing for kids everywhere
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: mark of the beast.
[13:50] Aphrodite Macbain: where did that idea come from anyway?
[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: Do you believe in the devil?
[13:51] Aphrodite Macbain: or satan? or evil?
[13:52] druth Vlodovic: lol, google translator does "satan" as "selling"
[13:52] Aphrodite Macbain: hmmmm the evil god of comodities
[13:52] Lugh Fehr: some scholars say its an indication of nero- his name transferd by the hebrew alphabet to numbers turn into 666
[13:52] druth Vlodovic: "Let he who has understanding..."
[13:52] Aphrodite Macbain: nero? the roman caesar?
[13:52] Lugh Fehr: and now the people who follow christ most follow the roman emperors
[13:52] Lugh Fehr: yes
[13:53] Aphrodite Macbain: ha!
[13:53] Aphrodite Macbain: please explain
[13:53] Lugh Fehr: and the symbol of christ is a roman punishment great propoganda i say
[13:53] Aphrodite Macbain: symbol of christ is a fish
[13:54] Aphrodite Macbain: or the crucifix
[13:55] Aphrodite Macbain: you have a lot to type! (Lugh takes some time to answer)
[13:55] druth Vlodovic: he is battling demons on his keyboard
[13:55] Lugh Fehr: after the golden age of roman empire it split in two the eastern and western the eastern where still the romans but the eastern was takin over by so called barbarions and the two roman emperiors became the first popes the western one the most famouse being unortodox and the eastern one being ortodox becouse they are the desendents of consantino the first roman pope
[13:56] Aphrodite Macbain: right, constantinople
[13:56] Aphrodite Macbain: Constantine
[13:56] Lugh Fehr: yes hes on the ortodox side like greek and russian
[13:57] Aphrodite Macbain: right
[13:57] Aphrodite Macbain: so you are saying that the west follwed the Roman church
[13:57] Aphrodite Macbain: not sure what that has to do with the devil tho
[13:58] Aphrodite Macbain: then it was taken over by the Turks and Islam
[13:58] Aphrodite Macbain: Hagia Sophia is now a mosque
[13:58] Lugh Fehr: no no the eastern was the original roman church and the vatican pope rose up to claim the decaying empire. he was a barbarion one of those who raided rome and finished it off. the romans ran to istambul and settled their and became known as bizantin
[13:59] Aphrodite Macbain: ah. You have explained it clearly. I must go back to my books!
[13:59] Lugh Fehr: hmmm it seemed i drifted out of point didnt i but still that mixed up story is where the culture of the devil came so i wouldn't put to much weight on it
[13:59] druth Vlodovic: beh, more ancient excuses for killing people
[13:59] Aphrodite Macbain: but didn't the christians truly develop first in Rome? There are many Christian burials  in the catacombes.
[13:59] druth Vlodovic: why I worry less about the past then the present, too much sillyness arises from trying to interpret "ancient wisdom" when you often get better results figuring out current intelligence and looking backwards through it
[14:00] Lugh Fehr: yes under the barbarion self proclaimed roman pope ...he wasnt roman and he certainly should have been a pope
[14:00] Aphrodite Macbain: If you don't understand the past you are bound to continue making the same mistakes....
[14:00] Lugh Fehr: shouldnt
[14:00] druth Vlodovic: I suppose
[14:00] Aphrodite Macbain: barbarians were from the north- germany, france
[14:01] Aphrodite Macbain: not from the east
[14:01] Lugh Fehr: yes, every one else not roman in europe
[14:01] Zon Kwan: hey, im a barbarian too
[14:01] Aphrodite Macbain: Zon!
[14:01] Lugh Fehr: and some others excluding the chinese and egyptians i tinck
[14:01] Aphrodite Macbain: Hi
[14:01] Lugh Fehr: hey zon
[14:02] druth Vlodovic: but should I identify myself with ancients long gone, so much that I hate the descendants of their enemies and love the descendants of their friends? history says this only gets you one thing
[14:02] druth Vlodovic: hi zon
[14:02] Zon Kwan: i am not my ancestor
[14:03] Lugh Fehr: you are always influenced by history even if you dont know it most poeple think that western society is civilized that our handover from the romans ...and cant be further away from the truth[14:03] Aphrodite Macbain: but you have his/her genes Zon
[14:03] Zon Kwan: i am not my genes
[14:03] druth Vlodovic: my present is the result of many pasts and current conditions, understanding is good
[14:03] Lugh Fehr: who are you then?
[14:03] Zon Kwan: i dont know
[14:03] Aphrodite Macbain: just scratch the surface and we're all barbarians
[14:04] druth Vlodovic: but that movie mentioned earlier (l'incendies) sounds like it is about reviving dead issues to discover who you are
[14:04] Eliza Madrigal: hehe... I read "librarians" (for barbarians)
[14:04] Aphrodite Macbain: Barbarians was just another word for outsider
[14:04] Lugh Fehr: if you dont know, it can just turn out that you are your genes hehe
[14:04] Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Eliza
[14:04] Zon Kwan: no
[14:04] Zon Kwan: im not that now
[14:04] Eliza Madrigal: Hi :) Just peeking in.... signed on to an IM that said I'd been online for a long time, though I hadn't...
[14:04] Lugh Fehr: hey eliza
[14:04] Zon Kwan: that i know
[14:04] druth Vlodovic: hi eliza
[14:05] Zon Kwan: i know what i am not
[14:05] Aphrodite Macbain: they contribute to who we are (nature) + nurture
[14:05] Lugh Fehr: hehe
[14:05] Zon Kwan: but never what i am
[14:05] Aphrodite Macbain: I am whom I am who I am
[14:05] Lugh Fehr: our ancestors live through us
[14:06] Lugh Fehr: i just am hehe
[14:06] Aphrodite Macbain: yes, their genes and occasionally their customs that are pasd on
[14:06] Aphrodite Macbain: pased
[14:06] Aphrodite Macbain: passed
[14:06] Aphrodite Macbain: I pass
[14:06] Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Aph
[14:06] Zon Kwan: not mine, i have left them
[14:06] Eliza Madrigal: bothersome when that shows because then people think you've been untruthful that you had to go :) but what a neat thought. We focus a lot on how conditions can be shed or seen through, but incorportated and friendly with too is a nice angle
[14:07] Aphrodite Macbain: yes- what can we drop?
[14:07] Zon Kwan: boy have i had to fight to get rid of them
[14:07] Aphrodite Macbain: along with our "h"s
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: hheheeh
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: eeeee
[14:07] druth Vlodovic: you dropped your genes?
[14:07] Aphrodite Macbain: oops!
[14:07] Zon Kwan: yes, most
[14:07] Lugh Fehr: if the european knights lost a war in 1500 i would be speaking arabic today and would been raised as a muslim most probaly -so the past does influence
[14:08] Zon Kwan: some still drag around
[14:08] Aphrodite Macbain: know to change the things we can change and ignore the things we cant
[14:08] druth Vlodovic: but what I am is not what they were
[14:08] Eliza Madrigal: we can't really even remember most of our conditioning... all the base impressions we're raised in, etc. another one of those things that we see clearly in retrospect :)
[14:08] Aphrodite Macbain: you would be fighting for democracy Lugh (like many arab states right now)[14:08] Eliza Madrigal: ack...sorry to poof, bfn
[14:08] druth Vlodovic: true eliza, I was raised to question and explore
[14:09] Eliza Madrigal: nice @ Druth :))
[14:09] druth Vlodovic: a, cya el
[14:09] Lugh Fehr: yes and now im fighting aginst democracy hehe
[14:09] Aphrodite Macbain: I must poof too. Part of my genetic make up is to poof when I press certain buttons
[14:09] Eliza Madrigal: bfn, hugs
[14:09] Lugh Fehr: byebye
[14:09] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
[14:09] Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! bye
[14:09] Lugh Fehr: bye
[14:09] Zon Kwan: if i were raised as muslim..id still try to get rid of all that has been imposed on me
[14:10] druth Vlodovic: bye aph
[14:10] Lugh Fehr: but would you still have had the chance?
[14:10] Zon Kwan: or christian
[14:10] Zon Kwan: or buddhist
[14:11] druth Vlodovic: being anti-something still makes you that something
[14:11] Lugh Fehr: i think a man that realises hes not free is a lucky man most dont get a chance to know that
[14:11] Zon Kwan: not anti..transcend
[14:11] druth Vlodovic: the idea that christianity is TRUTH and everything else must be anti TRUTH is how many things got labelled satanic
[14:12] Lugh Fehr: in my childhood evry thing was labelled satanic. people used to follow me at school calling me satanic
[14:12] druth Vlodovic: why is that?
[14:13] Lugh Fehr: its malta love it or hate it. people have called the police when they saw people doing yoga becouse their worshiping satin
[14:13] Lugh Fehr: heheh
[14:13] Archmage Atlantis: There are many ways to be
[14:13] Lugh Fehr: silly sheep hehe and they god is called a shepeard sooo....
[14:13] Archmage Atlantis: In this life
[14:14] Archmage Atlantis: in second life
[14:14] Archmage Atlantis: and in lives that go beyond
[14:15] Lugh Fehr: i very much thought that they're still a part of me -to exist after death
[14:15] Archmage Atlantis: (silent time)
[14:16] Lugh Fehr: except the vibrations in earth i leave behind, and the children- if I have any anyway
[14:16] druth Vlodovic: ah, but you only "know" that because it is part of your background/culture
[14:17] Lugh Fehr: know what?
[14:17] druth Vlodovic: I go to these discussions on ancient writings and things seem either silly or obvious, why? the ideas we liked became popular culture, the ones we didn't are called "silly"
[14:18] druth Vlodovic: sorry, "there are many ways to be"
[14:18] druth Vlodovic: chat lag
[14:18] Lugh Fehr: true
[14:19] Zon Kwan: can we know something we haven't experienced ourselves ?
[14:19] Lugh Fehr: like a couler that has never been seen by the human eye?
[14:20] Lugh Fehr: erm red green blue
[14:21] Archmage Atlantis: I have to go......do I have all of your permissions to log this conversation?
[14:21] Zon Kwan: color yes
[14:21] druth Vlodovic: terrible things couler's, you have to track them by sound and hit them with bats
[14:21] Archmage Atlantis: Lugh, Zon, druth
[14:21] Zon Kwan: going tpp
[14:21] Zon Kwan: too
[14:21] Zon Kwan: bye all
[14:21] Lugh Fehr: byebye poeples
[14:21] druth Vlodovic: oh yes, I think aphrodite claimed it

[14:21] Archmage Atlantis: I'll take that as no
[14:21] druth Vlodovic: bye zon, arch
[14:21] Lugh Fehr: yes?
[14:22] Archmage Atlantis: She claimed the formal log for the time duration
[14:22] Archmage Atlantis: We are much beyond that
[14:22] druth Vlodovic: ok, I thought it just kept recording until everyone left
[14:22] druth Vlodovic: it's fine by me
[14:22] Lugh Fehr: yup me too
[14:23] Archmage Atlantis: ty druth.....still I would not post this session, but I have enjoyed it
[14:25] druth Vlodovic: ah well, I should go
[14:25] Archmage Atlantis: And Lugh, in my eyes, you are a bit like me.....why not be truthful.......then I realized there is no absolute truth........Luv ya and ty
[14:25] druth Vlodovic: have fun guys
Lugh Fehr: byebye