The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

Entering where discussion was already up and running...

druth Vlodovic: or they just try to use the general principle for their advantage
--BELL--

Merseia Seferis: yes
Hokon Cazalet: well then they dont understand why its there
Merseia Seferis: they are soooo literal
druth Vlodovic: take an idea to a new culture and they will use it in a new way
Merseia Seferis: ã‹¡
Hokon Cazalet: or they disagree with its existence
cybersufi Resident: Ti-tsang asked Hsiu-shan, "where have you come from?"
EveofDarkness Cosmos: i need to go to, nice to meet you all
druth Vlodovic: lol, we just crossed boundries from one meeting to another, confusing to those who just read this one
Hokon Cazalet wvaes
cybersufi Resident: Hsiu-shan said "From the South."
Lucinda Lavender: Nice to meet you...
cybersufi Resident: Ti-tsang asked, "how is Buddhism in the South these days?"
Lucinda Lavender: luci ...listens...
cybersufi Resident: Hsiu-shan said"There's alot of discussion."
cybersufi Resident: Ti-tsang remarked. "How can that compare to me here planting the feilds and making rice balls to eat?"
cybersufi Resident: Hsiu-shan asked, "what about the mundane?"
Merseia Seferis: before enlightenment...chop wood carry water. After enlightenment....chop wood, carry water
cybersufi Resident: Ti-tsang retorted, "What are you calling mundane?"
Hokon Cazalet: yup, dont be extreme into ascetics
Merseia Seferis: so. its all good..:)
Merseia Seferis: every moment can be seeing and meditating, no?
cybersufi Resident: as Bananarama said "it aint what you do its the way that you do it"
Hokon Cazalet: that too, hehe whats cool about these sayings is they have multiple meanings, and are all coherent and valid
Merseia Seferis: laughing at bananarama..:)
Merseia Seferis: they "frame" things don't they?
Merseia Seferis: kinda referential to previous discussion
cybersufi Resident: he he wisdoms where you find it lol
Merseia Seferis: ã‹¡

topic turns to sci-fi ....
cybersufi Resident: Plenty of wisdom in Babylon 5 right Hokon
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
Hokon Cazalet: that too =P
Hokon Cazalet is on the vorlon's side: "who are you?" is the fundamental question =P
Merseia Seferis: hi Wanderson
Lucinda Lavender: Hello Wanderson...
Hokon Cazalet: hi there
Wanderson Kaur: Hi
cybersufi Resident: but what about Lorien
Wanderson Kaur: no speak inglish
Lucinda Lavender: this is the 7 am session of Pay as Being...our conversation is recorded and placed on the wiki...
Hokon Cazalet: loerien was cool too
Lucinda Lavender: play as Being...sorry:)
cybersufi Resident: tick tock tick tock
Hokon Cazalet: =)
druth Vlodovic: I liked their answer at the end
Lucinda Lavender: bye Wanderson:)
Hokon Cazalet: actually his way of making Sheridan be authentic is how Heidegger would; in facing death (Being-towards-death), and finding something worth living for (hero) . . . fits heidegger's ideas alot i think
Hokon Cazalet: instead of fleeing death, he faces it and becomes authentic and lives for something in spite of it
cybersufi Resident: but as Rumi said earlier sherdian Grew wings and few higher
Sunshine Vayandar: hi all ;)
Hokon Cazalet: yeah he does
Hokon Cazalet: hi wb sunshine =)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Sun..nice to meet you:)
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Hokon ;)
cybersufi Resident: hi sun could do with a few rays here its raining
Sunshine Vayandar: nice meeting you - those that haven't met me ;)
cala Lacrima: hi sun
Sunshine Vayandar: ok sending rays to wherever needed : 12 February 201112 February 201112 February 201112 February 201112 February 2011~
Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: here it's tooo hottt
Sunshine Vayandar: pls continue don't want to interrupt
cybersufi Resident: saids rain to hot places
cybersufi Resident: sends
Sunshine Vayandar: yay ty sufiii
Merseia Seferis: waves hi to Sun..:)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Merseia ã‹¡
cybersufi Resident: we where just delving into the cosmology of babylon 5
Sunshine Vayandar: Cala ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: yes pls carry on ;)
Lucinda Lavender: I am newly transferring to this time slot as a guardian...I do not know what babylon 5 is...but listen to pick up clues...
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: wondering what the pause was like for others>>>
Merseia Seferis: i like it..time to think and absorb
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I was still just getting into the rhythm
cybersufi Resident: now how meany hear cried when he left with Lorien the last time
Lucinda Lavender: I thought of my dream this morning...
Merseia Seferis: Lorien? Dream?..please expand..:)
druth Vlodovic: it's a sci-fi TV series
Merseia Seferis: aha still Babylon V
Merseia Seferis: ã‹¡
Lucinda Lavender: listening for cyber's Lorien..
Sunshine Vayandar: looking up Babylon V
druth Vlodovic: "He did it for the same reason anybody does anything. It seemed like a good idea at the time." G'kar fav quote of the whole thing :)
cybersufi Resident: that would be the light against the way or another
Merseia Seferis: resonates for me..lol...learned alot by consequences of what seemed like a good idea at the time
cybersufi Resident: well
cybersufi Resident: wall
cybersufi Resident: zathrus
Sunshine Vayandar: wb Hokon ;)
Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
Lucinda Lavender: can be innocence there...
Lucinda Lavender: wb Hokon!
Hokon Cazalet: =)
cala Lacrima: how you think about dream
Merseia Seferis: tell us about your dream Lucinda..:)
Lucinda Lavender: ah...I seemed to be meeting with people...at a restaurant where we met many times..a group with some familiar and some not...
Sunshine Vayandar: what might be the significance of this dream
Lucinda Lavender: connections to others...both expected and unexpected
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: this was an early morning dream
Lucinda Lavender: an older restaurant
Lucinda Lavender: warm and inviting
Sunshine Vayandar: next time I will visit there too ;)
Merseia Seferis: sounds lovely..:)
cybersufi Resident: Its a common thing that people would never look for wisdom in a scifi novel or may be your being reminding your mind that there is a link , even just thinking of it brings the experience of the reality closer
Sunshine Vayandar: reminds me of restaurants I practically grew up back in hungary
cybersufi Resident: two things mixed up there
Merseia Seferis: nice to meet you all...must go..practical rl stuff calls
Merseia Seferis: ã‹¡
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Merseia ;)
Lucinda Lavender: nice to meet you Merseia:)
cybersufi Resident: byee mers
Merseia Seferis: ciaooooo
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
cybersufi Resident: I will doze for a mo while I go and get the towels of the line lol
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: with no pressure of course I am just curious where everyone is from...
Hokon Cazalet: usa, near chicago
Korel Laloix: Oklahoma
Korel Laloix: Near Tulsa
Lucinda Lavender: say if you wish...
Sunshine Vayandar: South Africa / Hungary
Lucinda Lavender: oh Hi Korel:)
Lucinda Lavender: sorry did not see you...:)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Korel ;)
Korel Laloix: heya
Lucinda Lavender: Seattle for me...
Korel Laloix: So lagged today.
Lucinda Lavender: ah..
Lucinda Lavender: deep in snow I bet
Hokon Cazalet: hehe i am
Korel Laloix: NOt that bad here.
Hokon Cazalet: chicago is still full of snow from last week's storm
Sunshine Vayandar: here it feels like africa ;)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: wow I bet hokon
cala Lacrima: e, i think sometimes dream come from our day's work and our brain feel tired ,but when it rest ,carebellar is still it ,but sometimes you not tired and you dream is very strange ,maybe you will feel very familiar then one day ,your dream come true ,if you have a little superstition ,you would think maybe your preexistence ever come here ,e,（in our country many people belife we have preexistence )e,there is another statement is through a long evolument we have a common set of original gene what reword the memory
Lucinda Lavender: interesting cala...
Sunshine Vayandar: wow very interesting ;)
Lucinda Lavender: the common set of of genes rewording memory...
cala Lacrima: seems slowly
Hokon Cazalet: brb food is finished =)
Lucinda Lavender: I do have many dreams that come true so I study dreaming as a spiritual practice
Sunshine Vayandar: Cala you are from China?
cala Lacrima: yes
Sunshine Vayandar: can u tell more about preexistence
Lucinda Lavender: todays dream felt like more that one generation were connected and meeting at the familiar restaurant
Sunshine Vayandar: Lucinda it's very interesting I think - I'd like to learn more about how to study dreams
Lucinda Lavender: yes...preexistence...
cala Lacrima: no problem,but maybe you have to wait
cala Lacrima: sorry
Sunshine Vayandar: np Cala ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: I think I found a class here in SL about dreams
Sunshine Vayandar: but then I didn't go
Sunshine Vayandar: ah I found her name : DreamSue Ansar
Sunshine Vayandar: My specialty is transformational dreamwork. I have worked with my own dreams since childhood, and taught classes since 1980. My approach is both traditional and non-traditional and includes directed dreaming, lucid dreaming, and dreamhealing. I am available for questions on dreams and sleep disorders.
Lucinda Lavender: I mainly write them down...and just make a note when there is something curious or powerful...or like information
Sunshine Vayandar: kk ;) u keep a dream journal?
Lucinda Lavender: yes...for a long time
Korel Laloix: I have prety bad insomnia, and I rarely if ever remember my dreams.
Sunshine Vayandar: what might be causing it Korel?
Lucinda Lavender: having children, singing, loving...have increased the dreams
Sunshine Vayandar: I could sleep right now lol
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: I went to a clinc a while back....used to get about 3:45 a night at most.. now up to about 5:15..... never really figured out a root cause.
Lucinda Lavender: feel there is deep regenerative quality to some dreams
Korel Laloix: I think that is the oint of dreaming really.
Korel Laloix: point
Sunshine Vayandar: can u tell an example Lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: hmmmthinking
Sunshine Vayandar: ok ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: like for example most of us had dreams about flying
Lucinda Lavender: ah...a few for me yes...
Lucinda Lavender: sensation of rising above and being light...
Sunshine Vayandar: that is an interesting feeling
Sunshine Vayandar: like in SL ;p
Lucinda Lavender: yes...joy experienced there
Lucinda Lavender: but the joy is in the void...
Sunshine Vayandar: feeling very light
cybersufi Resident: I have a dream machine
Sunshine Vayandar: dream machine?
Lucinda Lavender: curious...
Sunshine Vayandar: how much ;)
cybersufi Resident: elanra ionizer has a setting for increased dreaming, had to change the setting was restless to many dreams
Lucinda Lavender: hmmhow does it work?
Lucinda Lavender: does it give off ions ?
cybersufi Resident: it is the only theraputic ionizer you can buy, not cheap but very good hard to even get one second hand
Sunshine Vayandar: never heard about it
cybersufi Resident: mine cost £325
Lucinda Lavender: interesting:)
Sunshine Vayandar: wow
Sunshine Vayandar: that is not cheap
cybersufi Resident: it produces ionized particles that are small enough for your body to absorb
cybersufi Resident: your brain activity depends on an ionized fluid thats why people get sad disorder in building mad of artificial materials like plastic, cause they give of poistive ions
Korel Laloix: http://www.air4health.net/our-ionizers/inventor.html
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm interesting
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know too much about how to more easily sleep...but would think some lying very still with out moving helps me...and breathing slowly
cybersufi Resident: had mine for 5 years now
cybersufi Resident: it produces the effect you get from being near a waterfall
cybersufi Resident: cleanses the internal system
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: sounds like a refreshment
cybersufi Resident: I got it for hayfeaver among other things
cybersufi Resident: only one that has real scientific proof that it works, most do nothing more than clean the air, which is better than nothing but can be absorbed by the body so limited health benefits
cybersufi Resident: can't
cala Lacrima: we think when people die ,his soul will go to the palace od hell ,there yama detemine you become people ,monster or animals according to your merit when you alive ,then you have to walk through 黄泉路huangquan road （the land of the dead road),in the end of the road ,you can see an old woman (we call her meng po），she will give you a bowl of soup called meng po tang ,which you eat you can forget all the things about your living time ,then you can go to reincarnation to begin a new life (of course,if you luck ,can be human and if you do many good thing ,you can go to a rich family
Lucinda Lavender: we are heading to the end of the hour..I will say thank you now for the time and conversation...
Lucinda Lavender: thank you
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Cala for making time to explain
cybersufi Resident: bye luc see you later
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee cyber ;)
Lucinda Lavender: yes:) great to meet so many new people:)
cybersufi Resident: you of too sun lol
--BELL--

Korel Laloix: Take care all... off to meet some folks.
druth Vlodovic: I'm not sure that being reincarnated as a rich person would be a reward, I've known too many of them :)
cala Lacrima: it is too late in my place ,i have to sleep. bye all
Sunshine Vayandar: byebye Korel ;)
Lucinda Lavender: take care too Korel:)
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee cala
Sunshine Vayandar: sleep well
Korel Laloix: do na da go hv i
druth Vlodovic: bye those who are leaving
Sunshine Vayandar: sleep well ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: ok Sufi so you stay ;)
cala Lacrima: thanks
Sunshine Vayandar: got mixed up
cybersufi Resident: lol ;-)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: I will post the log later please feel free to continue:)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Luci ;))))
druth Vlodovic: being a cat is pretty confusing, but that would be my choice, a housecat that is :)
Sunshine Vayandar: why a house cat
druth Vlodovic: a rich cat, lots of petting and free food
Sunshine Vayandar: rich cat ;)
druth Vlodovic: if I get lonely I'll just rub up against someone's leg until they either pet me or trip
cybersufi Resident: got two like that here
cybersufi Resident: at hthis time of the year you only see them when they want fed
Sunshine Vayandar: in sl you can be one now ;)
druth Vlodovic: imagine if people were that brave, "the golden rule still doesn't mean you can hug strangers on the bus."
Sunshine Vayandar: what do you mean druth
cybersufi Resident: in an hour from now they will come down the stairs and start hassling me to feed them
druth Vlodovic: we allow fear to make us isolated, I saw a comic that had a girl and guy, each dreaming of the other, but each alone
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes druth - where does this dear come from
Sunshine Vayandar: there are cultures where it's much less present
Sunshine Vayandar: sufi you have cats?
druth Vlodovic: I grew up with cats, one will walk up to another to say hi, then get hissed at due to bad mood, then two minutes later they'll be playing together
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
cybersufi Resident: ducks are like that too don't hold a grudge
Sunshine Vayandar: I grew up without animals - but now I have a dog
druth Vlodovic: it's a bad habit of mine to blame religion for things, but consider the idea that even minor mistakes will send you to hell for eternity
druth Vlodovic: and that you'll be sent there by somone who loves you
cybersufi Resident: dog whisperer my fav prog
druth Vlodovic: then apply this emotional concept to everyday life
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe I watch that all the time also sufi
cybersufi Resident: now there is a Sufi in action
druth Vlodovic: when somone annoys me I tell myself it might just be mood, rather than identity, people look a lot nicer through that sort of lens
cybersufi Resident: like the bad mood no need to hold on to mad concepts designed by men in large hats to control the population
druth Vlodovic: had a kitten once, wanted to make friends with an older cat who couldn't stand her, so she'd sneak up and paw at him from time to time, and get hissed at or swatted, kept it up for weeks, then they became best friends
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
cybersufi Resident: hell is the output of such ideas from the insecure ego
druth Vlodovic: I suppose the kitty "dropped" the bad mood, and continued her life the way she wanted to live
--BELL--

cybersufi Resident: sensible cans
cybersufi Resident: cats
druth Vlodovic: by ignoring his negative actions she overcame them
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm gotta go - I will focus on learning from my dog today ;))
druth Vlodovic: a fine choice of teacher :)
Sunshine Vayandar: take care all ;)
druth Vlodovic: just don't learn any table manners
druth Vlodovic: bye sun
Sunshine Vayandar: yes he has been teaching me ever since he arrived ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe druth ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: byeee all
druth Vlodovic: I'm gone too, have fun