The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Samuo :))
oO0Oo Resident: hey!
oO0Oo Resident: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: hiya
SophiaSharon Larnia: still rezzing :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia
oO0Oo Resident: Hiya stevenaia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
stevenaia Michinaga: we meeting over here tonight?
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
oO0Oo Resident: hehhehhehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: my ao wont turn off
stevenaia Michinaga: you look relaxed Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: what in the world ;p
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
oO0Oo Resident: it's a great AO SSL
stevenaia Michinaga: were you dancing?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ty : but i cant unattach it
SophiaSharon Larnia: nope not lately
stevenaia Michinaga: I've met on the roof at times
SophiaSharon Larnia: really?
oO0Oo Resident feels cool grass on toes
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
stevenaia Michinaga: never met out here
oO0Oo Resident: hehehehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia plops on the ground
oO0Oo Resident: let's lay on our backs in a flower shape
stevenaia Michinaga: what is your AO, it looks perfectly normal
SophiaSharon Larnia: a manimation
stevenaia Michinaga: haha
SophiaSharon Larnia: im worried that my comp virus has met me here in sl ;(
oO0Oo Resident: ???!
stevenaia Michinaga: have you tried a different viewer
SophiaSharon Larnia: i have computer virus that eats all my email and wont let me open things on desktop, it eats them too
SophiaSharon Larnia: not lately steve
stevenaia Michinaga: can't virus sorftware help
SophiaSharon Larnia: it would if I had time to fix it
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not on my own computer much anymore
oO0Oo Resident: sounds serious enough to relate to
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like time to reinstall your system and begin anew
SophiaSharon Larnia: *cries*
stevenaia Michinaga: (or get a MAC)
SophiaSharon Larnia: ill lose everything
oO0Oo Resident: then again you do look so very relaxed in the grass on your back lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: im going to try to leave and come right back
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahhahah
stevenaia Michinaga: okies
oO0Oo Resident: being will be here
stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, sounds like an unstable computer
oO0Oo Resident: indeed
stevenaia Michinaga: how are you Sam
oO0Oo Resident: OK thanks Stevenaia... happy to be
oO0Oo Resident: and you?
stevenaia Michinaga: good, another interesting day :)
stevenaia Michinaga: snow this morning, snow later tonight
stevenaia Michinaga: wb Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you :D
oO0Oo Resident: wb SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: didnt work
stevenaia Michinaga: you know you have a tail sophia?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i do?????? ;)
oO0Oo Resident: hehehehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: spins around to look
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh wells
oO0Oo Resident: hehehehe
stevenaia Michinaga: Black Neko tail V2.1
stevenaia Michinaga: ir;s clickable
oO0Oo Resident: SSL plunges to the cool grass again
oO0Oo Resident: in utter abandoned relaxedness
SophiaSharon Larnia: and were did you get that info, am i clickable now too????
SophiaSharon Larnia: my sl is matching my rl, its MELTING
stevenaia Michinaga: I clicked your tail and got a selection pop up
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh
SophiaSharon Larnia: *blushes*
oO0Oo Resident: hehehehhee
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles inncoently
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lays in the grass happy
stevenaia Michinaga: you are standing on your head, Sophia
oO0Oo Resident smiles and breathes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i am?

--BELL--

stevenaia Michinaga: the way it looks from here, what do you see Sam
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi druth
stevenaia Michinaga: hi druth
SophiaSharon Larnia: i guess we're sitting in the grass today
oO0Oo Resident: hey druth :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant turn off my ao
druth Vlodovic: hey guys
stevenaia Michinaga: can you delete it?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ack!
SophiaSharon Larnia: my favorite ao??
SophiaSharon Larnia: *cries*
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: jus kidding
SophiaSharon Larnia: its not highlighed it does not look like its on
SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you Druth? :)
druth Vlodovic: lol, you could probably try taking it off
SophiaSharon Larnia: i did
stevenaia Michinaga: nice view, Sam, thx
oO0Oo Resident: yww :)
oO0Oo Resident: yw*
stevenaia Michinaga: you can post it to the wiki once the log is posted
SophiaSharon Larnia: what in the world :)
druth Vlodovic: we need strings to attach us to the ground so we don't float off
oO0Oo Resident: or tails
SophiaSharon Larnia: enough of this ill sit in a cushion anyway
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehehhe steve!!
druth Vlodovic: why are we on the grass anyway?
oO0Oo Resident: to greet whatever comes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i couldnt sit on the cushion, i guess
SophiaSharon Larnia: good enough :) ignore me
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
oO0Oo Resident: no way
oO0Oo Resident: you are unignorable
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: and you are so sweet
oO0Oo Resident: sweet and sour
oO0Oo Resident: working on neutral
SophiaSharon Larnia: anything you want to talk about ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: the ironic thing is i dont even wear ao's much
stevenaia Michinaga: I probably have more on than I know
SophiaSharon Larnia: or change my clothes lol
stevenaia Michinaga: radar, feather flyer
druth Vlodovic: oh, so that's what that, um, scent is, ... no really, it's lovely
SophiaSharon Larnia: omg where is my mystitool
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol druth
oO0Oo Resident: OMG!
SophiaSharon Larnia: right?
stevenaia Michinaga: mystitool?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, pre emerald, radar was absolutely necessary
SophiaSharon Larnia: but has other tools in it too
druth Vlodovic: a multitool that does mystic stuff I'd guess
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh
oO0Oo Resident: i keep my prims near 0, and my rendering cost very low, so that you all may shine
stevenaia Michinaga: I use Ada's AO "Modulator"
oO0Oo Resident: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: for example, i caged someone in it once
oO0Oo Resident:  you sure you want to say that in public Steve?
oO0Oo Resident: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm never sure what to say in public
oO0Oo Resident: sounds like a vibrator
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol Samuo y thank you, you shine quite brightly you know :D
druth Vlodovic: I'm learning new and interesting things about steve, like never follow him into a dark alley
SophiaSharon Larnia: !! why?
oO0Oo Resident: hehehhehehee
stevenaia Michinaga: I'll know you are there, hehe
druth Vlodovic: people who keep cagers ready...
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Parque
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Parque
oO0Oo Resident: heya para :)
oO0Oo Resident: oops Parq*
druth Vlodovic: hi parque
oO0Oo Resident: :)
Parque Alenquer: hello
oO0Oo Resident: the lawn was freshly mown
oO0Oo Resident: for the occasion
SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome to play as being Parque, we usually sit on the cushions
SophiaSharon Larnia: have you been here before?
SophiaSharon Larnia: and to think i couldve sat on those pillows hahah
Parque Alenquer: no it's my first time
oO0Oo Resident: welcome
SophiaSharon Larnia: theres a card about the group on the info stand in front of your avi
Parque Alenquer: ty

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: Parque, just to make sure then: we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
Parque Alenquer: no, I don't mind... (was reading the card)
SophiaSharon Larnia: i feel like ive disrupted the flow by sitting over there lol
oO0Oo Resident: the crickets sound louder out here
druth Vlodovic: we can hear you
Parque Alenquer: ok, sorry. I think I'm settled.
Parque Alenquer: did I interrupt someone by arriving?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)) I was about to say, thanks!
SophiaSharon Larnia: nope :D
druth Vlodovic: no, it often sounds like this around here, strange no?
SophiaSharon Larnia: quiet? yes... and no....
SophiaSharon Larnia: always nice to have new people to toss the salad
oO0Oo Resident pour tea... mint OK for everyone?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay ty
Parque Alenquer: scotch, pls
SophiaSharon Larnia: anyone have a topic theyd like to discuss?

stevenaia Michinaga: ok, topic.... I attened a monthy Tao discussion group once a month, where we read one chapter of the Dao te Ching, we are only on the third chapter (but some in the goup were having problems understanding "not doing"
oO0Oo Resident: one scotch...coming up
Parque Alenquer raises hand timidly
SophiaSharon Larnia: at this time of night im with you PArque :)
stevenaia Michinaga: wait, prefer scotch
oO0Oo Resident: that's 3 scotches righto
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
druth Vlodovic: what sort of problems?
stevenaia Michinaga: another in the group was reading a story from the life of Martin Luther King
stevenaia Michinaga: where he was driving with someone and everyone had their bright lights on comming toward them
stevenaia Michinaga: and the driver said... next time I will put my beright lights on in reponse
stevenaia Michinaga: response
stevenaia Michinaga: ofcourse MLK said the thing to do is to NOT put your brights on becosue that is the right thing to do so things don;t escalate
stevenaia Michinaga: ie... not doing was the right thing
druth Vlodovic: when you respond that way it ends up affecting you more anyway, as well as squinting you feel angry and act on it
oO0Oo Resident: to have awareness in those moments is a blessing
SophiaSharon Larnia: it would escalate too
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes samuo
druth Vlodovic: maybe, though I find a quick flicker usually ends up reminding the guy to dim his lights
SophiaSharon Larnia: usually Druth :) true
stevenaia Michinaga: strange thought escalate in reverse
stevenaia Michinaga: bring the level of quiet up
SophiaSharon Larnia: esculate not doing?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
Parque Alenquer: I usually just focus on the line along the side of the road.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: well they cars always pass, unless they run into you
druth Vlodovic: I've been in a couple situations where someone wanted to fight me, I usually respond (when I remember) by just looking at them and waiting
druth Vlodovic: it's suprising how often that has gotten me out of hot water
Parque Alenquer: wish I could do that
oO0Oo Resident: there 's much more space and possibility than is often thought
Parque Alenquer: I seem to take the bait.

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident: [note to guardian: if not too much trouble, please correct my spellings] ty :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: heheh Samuo, no problem
oO0Oo Resident: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: i do that, wonder if anyone notices
druth Vlodovic: it takes courage, and a willingness to enter into the future "unclad", I give up my pro-activeness in the situation in order to remove my contribution to it's negativeness
SophiaSharon Larnia: that stevenaia's typing has improved so much that day
SophiaSharon Larnia: i meant mine
stevenaia Michinaga: I remember long ago in Middle school, I was chosen, picked on, whatever... to fight someone after school, I ahd be takng Karate at the time and felt confident t kick him in the nuts and leave fast...... when everyone gathered after school to watch me get beat up, I was there ready to kick him .... he looked at me and says.... NO KICKING, the fight was over and he left before it started
oO0Oo Resident nods at druth
stevenaia Michinaga: there is a spellchecker built into the wiki thank goodness
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Druth
stevenaia Michinaga: I use it in all my logs now
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow Steve
oO0Oo Resident: wow Stevenaia... what a showstopping show-down
oO0Oo Resident: things dissolve
stevenaia Michinaga: a non event, if I only knew it was a lfe lesson.. or good luck
oO0Oo Resident: it is such a relief
SophiaSharon Larnia: isnt it funny what we think later as life changing
stevenaia Michinaga: now I do tai chi so I can bore them to death if I fight
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
oO0Oo Resident: lol
Parque Alenquer: I've opted for non-action in neighborhood stuff the last couple of years. I notice it makes no difference, and my stress level is way down.
oO0Oo Resident: interesting parque
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that in itself is helpful, to choose not to stress yourself
oO0Oo Resident: aand that you notice
druth Vlodovic: "de-stressing humanity, one person at a time."
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it can be contagious
Parque Alenquer: starting with myself
SophiaSharon Larnia: that would make the change
SophiaSharon Larnia: a difference i mean
oO0Oo Resident: On the subject of neighborhoods, i offer this reference site: http://is.gd/ujDBYR
SophiaSharon Larnia: took the chance and clicked on it
oO0Oo Resident: it is a way to build neighborhoods based on the work of Christopher Alexander's pattern language work
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Samuo, neat
Parque Alenquer: tks
oO0Oo Resident: yw :)
stevenaia Michinaga: very nice Sam
stevenaia Michinaga: thx
SophiaSharon Larnia: steve the architect :D
oO0Oo Resident: also can recommend his book 'The Timeless Way of Building'
oO0Oo Resident: magic
SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds interesting, 'timeless"?
oO0Oo Resident: this here feels like an intentional neighborhood... in timelessness
stevenaia Michinaga: I have that, thank and a Pattern Language
SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed Samuo, is intentional
Parque Alenquer: Well, I must go for now. Will return, for sure. Thanks everyone.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to meet you
oO0Oo Resident: ntsy Parque :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: we usually dont sit on the grass :)
oO0Oo Resident: see you agin I hope
druth Vlodovic: what ever happened to disney's planner neighbourhood, the one they made hoping to promote "community"
druth Vlodovic: 'night parq
stevenaia Michinaga: still there with all it's rules and regulations
stevenaia Michinaga: I think they got upset when someone put pink flamings on their lawn, against the rules
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nos
oO0Oo Resident: hehehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: the horror ;p
oO0Oo Resident: hehe
druth Vlodovic: beh, I've been in places like that, "griefers" using rules to bother people :(
SophiaSharon Larnia: some people like communities like that
stevenaia Michinaga: conformity will be the death of the vibrency
SophiaSharon Larnia: it does seem to dull creativity
druth Vlodovic: I'm not against conformity, but so often it is used just to control people
SophiaSharon Larnia: houses all in shades of taupe
stevenaia Michinaga: nods

--BELL--

oO0Oo Resident thinks: if i had a tail, i'd swish it right now
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: you could get one :D
stevenaia Michinaga: ooops
SophiaSharon Larnia: oooooooooouch
stevenaia Michinaga: that's qute a tail
SophiaSharon Larnia: what was that for?!
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
stevenaia Michinaga: sorry
SophiaSharon Larnia: guess who is deleting scripts out of their tail
druth Vlodovic: lol, time for a little tail edit I'd say
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: what am i saying i cant even take off my ao
stevenaia Michinaga: I will try not to be tempted by it
druth Vlodovic: have you tried doing "stop animating my avatar"
oO0Oo Resident: I think this session is about non-conformity
druth Vlodovic: or is the ao part of the tail?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ive always thought it funny that you cant click it yourself to see what it says
stevenaia Michinaga: yikes snowing in delaware, coming my way
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes STEV!
stevenaia Michinaga: you have snow yet, SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes about 3 inches
SophiaSharon Larnia: pretty fast
stevenaia Michinaga: already tonight? yikes
SophiaSharon Larnia: just since i came home at 7
SophiaSharon Larnia: 11 now
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
oO0Oo Resident turns off the high beams
SophiaSharon Larnia: ive always thought of myself as a non conformist i wonder how true that is
stevenaia Michinaga: being an individual makes you a non-conformist
druth Vlodovic: "I'm a non-conformist, just like everyone else!"
oO0Oo Resident: if one is fully oneself, can one conform to anything?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe yep
SophiaSharon Larnia: i have no problem going with the flow, as long as the flow doesnt hurt anyone
oO0Oo Resident feels impulse to swish again
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think thats true
druth Vlodovic: it can get to be a habit though, sometimes you need to go against just to see if you can
stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, night all
SophiaSharon Larnia: night Stevenaia :)
druth Vlodovic: 'night steve
SophiaSharon Larnia: stay safe and stuff :DD
oO0Oo Resident: night Stevenaia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that a rebel without a cause Druth?
oO0Oo Resident: I hope her dress didn't get wet in the dew
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
druth Vlodovic: the cause is to retain yourself in the face of the flow
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: on one level things makes sense to me, and on the other thinking there really isnt an individual self
druth Vlodovic: of course, if you want to get philosophical bout it you start asking "what is me and what is the flow manifesting itself through me"
druth Vlodovic: it helps to live in a place where bucking the flow is what the flow tells you to do
druth Vlodovic: hmm :)
oO0Oo Resident: OMG!
druth Vlodovic: so, sophia
druth Vlodovic: ??
SophiaSharon Larnia: that would be seeing it instead of being inside it, where you dont observe as much
SophiaSharon Larnia: what did i do?
SophiaSharon Larnia: omg what Samuo?
druth Vlodovic: I live in a country where navel gazing is a national past-time, so seeing it is still kind of conforming
oO0Oo Resident: sorry... I just noticed... someone has payed 500 Lindens into my account.
druth Vlodovic: nice
SophiaSharon Larnia: seeing the flow and not being part of it isnt the same as being part of it, is it?
oO0Oo Resident: I have no idea who or why
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice Samuo :)
druth Vlodovic: if seeing the flow is part of the flow then it is
SophiaSharon Larnia: wait nvm ive been up too long :D
oO0Oo Resident: thank you ...who ever you are!
SophiaSharon Larnia: then how would you step out of it
druth Vlodovic: fatigue is a good source of inspiration, shamen of old used to stay upfor days seeking insight
druth Vlodovic: I'm not much of a nihilist
SophiaSharon Larnia: i worked night for years and did stay awake for days on end

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure i lost some yrs of life b/c of it
druth Vlodovic: I take the bits of the flow I like (or have been conditioned to like) and say "this is me, for now."
druth Vlodovic: lol, the only insight I got from that was not to take another job doing straight nights
SophiaSharon Larnia: yea
druth Vlodovic: I was going to ask the old question
druth Vlodovic: who are you?
SophiaSharon Larnia: im actually only defined by where i am and who is around me
druth Vlodovic: nothing in the middle?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont think so
SophiaSharon Larnia: it doesnt feel that way to me
oO0Oo Resident: You realise of course SSL, that wearing a tail will add many years to your life as well :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
druth Vlodovic: lol, I haven't gone that far, I acknowledge the existence of an actor, but accept your start
SophiaSharon Larnia: i say i have a strange sense of self and that what i mean, in part, its hard to explain
SophiaSharon Larnia: its not far, i dont know what you mean
druth Vlodovic: decentralizing the personality
druth Vlodovic: it's "far" if you came from somewhere else :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: im an alien
SophiaSharon Larnia: kidding
druth Vlodovic: please tell me
druth Vlodovic: what you mean
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know how to say it, ive been trying for a long time
oO0Oo Resident: if we all saw each other as purple martian gypsies, i wonder if we would look at each other with fresh eyes of amazement
druth Vlodovic: hi lymne
SophiaSharon Larnia: im only defined by what im supposed to do and what my roles are in life, there doesnt seem to be anything i want just for myself
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont bother doing things that are just for my own benefit
Lymne Resident: hi all
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Lymne :)
druth Vlodovic: ech! a bad way, I've done it myself
oO0Oo Resident: hi lymne :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is, but you know what? it doesnt matter
druth Vlodovic: lol, why not?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont have an answer for that
druth Vlodovic: hmm, can I tell you why I decided it was a bad way?
SophiaSharon Larnia: please
druth Vlodovic: to face life I made some base reference points
druth Vlodovic: everything I do, say or experience is compared to them
druth Vlodovic: one is "don't hurt people"
druth Vlodovic: but one day I realized
druth Vlodovic: I am people
druth Vlodovic: and not caring for myself is harming me
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
oO0Oo Resident: :)
oO0Oo Resident hands Druth a silky sable tail
druth Vlodovic: I am what and who is around me, and my body is a huge part of that
druth Vlodovic: but I am also the "me" I created
SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont feel like i created me, i mustve
druth Vlodovic: hmm, what does it say when stroked? ;-}
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise :)
druth Vlodovic: I did me deliberately
SophiaSharon Larnia: we were sitting in the grass, i guess it started when i couldnt turn off my ao
druth Vlodovic: so a big step is "who do I wish to be?"
druth Vlodovic: hi para
Paradise Tennant: hiya druth .. sophia :)
oO0Oo Resident: Hey paradise :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm Druth I seriously do not wish to be anything else than to be where im supposed to be to do the most good, and im not just saying that
Paradise Tennant: hiya O
Lymne Resident: hi Paradise
druth Vlodovic: ah, so if you were o assin yourself a base, you'd include "do good"
SophiaSharon Larnia: although who says what or where that is is up in the air
Paradise Tennant: hiya lymne :)
druth Vlodovic: yes, "supposed to be" can be dangerous
oO0Oo Resident: comparison flies out the window
druth Vlodovic: comparison?
oO0Oo Resident: quick! is that better or worse!?
SophiaSharon Larnia: in a karmic sense maybe, or as 'at the right place at the right time'
oO0Oo Resident: lol
druth Vlodovic: then what?
Paradise Tennant: ahhh ok
Paradise Tennant: let me excuse my self see you in a bit
SophiaSharon Larnia: or the wrong place at the wrong time in a karmic sense
druth Vlodovic: hmm, sounds a little fatalistic
Paradise Tennant: I have to scoot .. stev just asked me to teleport out be back though
druth Vlodovic: have fun PT
Paradise Tennant: thanks
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Paradise have fun :D
oO0Oo Resident: ty Paradise
oO0Oo Resident: ntsy

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: will have to reread this and see if i understand
druth Vlodovic: I like the idea that the universe is indifferent to my existence, then nothing that happens as a result of circumstance can be regarded as malicious
SophiaSharon Larnia: true, an intentional universe would be intolerable
SophiaSharon Larnia: in the way you said that
Lymne Resident: isn't existence intention?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i happen to think that time a space splits off in so many directions, that every probability happens
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry typos and bad grammer
druth Vlodovic: a fan of sci-fi :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: like parallel universe, but for every moment
druth Vlodovic: hmm, yin/yang
SophiaSharon Larnia: in words maybe, but i dont get into watching it on tv
SophiaSharon Larnia: or reading sci fi
druth Vlodovic: pick one and you have an unbalanced life
SophiaSharon Larnia: unless its about new discoveries
SophiaSharon Larnia: the point of that scenerio is, that the world is perfect SOMEWHERE
SophiaSharon Larnia: and all time is one moment
Lymne Resident: ouch...faith
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: ouch indeed
SophiaSharon Larnia: i hear you
druth Vlodovic: why ouch?
SophiaSharon Larnia: i drop 'that' too
SophiaSharon Larnia: to take an idea on faith? without proof?
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that what you meant Lymne?
Lymne Resident: faith connotes the willingness to extend ones beliefs to cover unknowns that are usually shaped by others
SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
druth Vlodovic: too much passivity
Lymne Resident: i guess i value autonomy
Lymne Resident: agency
SophiaSharon Larnia: everything i just said can be placed in that catagory
druth Vlodovic: ah, I'm being judgemental
druth Vlodovic: for reasons of my own
Lymne Resident: alls well? right!
SophiaSharon Larnia: i have no proof
Lymne Resident: lol
oO0Oo Resident: autonomy and interdependence... hmmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: but i need to beleive that everything is perfect and i cant
druth Vlodovic: why do you "need" to believe?
Lymne Resident: interdependence ..ah ..the human condition
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
oO0Oo Resident: more than human...
SophiaSharon Larnia: Lymne, I have lapsed in my duties
SophiaSharon Larnia: just to make sure then: we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
Lymne Resident: in an isness-sy sort of way?
oO0Oo Resident: its' the scotch hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that ok Lymne?
Lymne Resident: I hoped i wasn't interfering
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no! you are more than welcome
SophiaSharon Larnia: more people to toss the salad :)
Lymne Resident: worried for a second that this was some fatalistic group
SophiaSharon Larnia: no, when ever i open my mouth it appears that way
druth Vlodovic: not quite :)
druth Vlodovic: here, let me take another shot at promoting a defined central self
oO0Oo Resident: in a dependent arising sort of way
SophiaSharon Larnia: or should i say text
oO0Oo Resident: arising?
Lymne Resident: i hope you didnt get that from anything i saaid
druth Vlodovic: I tend towards being passive/reactive, so accepting my assigned roles, and playing them out is natural to me
oO0Oo Resident: It was bound to happen
Lymne Resident: the blog sounds good
oO0Oo Resident: lol
SophiaSharon Larnia: there is a notecard about the group in the info stand where you arived, or i can give you one
druth Vlodovic: but this means I lead a life of second-guessing my roles and the needs of these roles
Lymne Resident: tak!
druth Vlodovic: and the goals I seek to achieve thereby
druth Vlodovic: but what if I mess up?
SophiaSharon Larnia: im the same way druth
druth Vlodovic: or what if I succeed?
Lymne Resident: the same
druth Vlodovic: my role as parent is to raise my kids to be good people
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
druth Vlodovic: eventually that role will be fulfilled or failed
druth Vlodovic: then what am I?
Lymne Resident: the same
Lymne Resident: just older
druth Vlodovic: by closing a role I end a part of myself
oO0Oo Resident: we are all your children
druth Vlodovic: grr, bad example
oO0Oo Resident: all beings
druth Vlodovic: let's say I take on the role of "friend" to someone
SophiaSharon Larnia: i understand it I think, its a good example
oO0Oo Resident grrrrrs back with a smile
druth Vlodovic: then I take on the responsibilities of that role
SophiaSharon Larnia: listening
oO0Oo Resident listens
druth Vlodovic: then by attempting to fulfill my understanding of those responsibilities I realize I just made life harder for my friend
druth Vlodovic: or more miserable
oO0Oo Resident: not so easy to measure
druth Vlodovic: the problem is that I was living by running alongside the cart trying to fill *it*
druth Vlodovic: not myself
Lymne Resident: try substituting joy for responsibility
druth Vlodovic: exactly

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Lymne Resident: then you give freely to your friend
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
druth Vlodovic: by creating a defined self you can assign goals to it that go towards yourself
druth Vlodovic: like joy
Lymne Resident: and what goes bad ..goes bad
druth Vlodovic: yes
Lymne Resident: it's life
druth Vlodovic: instead of being a failure it is a circumstance
SophiaSharon Larnia: creating a define self?
druth Vlodovic: "nothing personal"
druth Vlodovic: what I said about choosing certain precepts I use to weigh what I learn
druth Vlodovic: um
druth Vlodovic: ok, I accept as a concept thatsomething exists where I say I am
druth Vlodovic: even if what that is is only a central point for circumstance
Lymne Resident: you're occurring?
druth Vlodovic: then I set about molding it
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
druth Vlodovic: into what I call "me"
SophiaSharon Larnia: what an amazing thing to do
druth Vlodovic: it has it's advantages
SophiaSharon Larnia: alot to think about
druth Vlodovic: one key is balance
druth Vlodovic: people talk about "doing without doing"
druth Vlodovic: but sometimes you need to do by doing
Lymne Resident: Lao Tsu
druth Vlodovic: if only to direct yourself where you wish to be
druth Vlodovic: which part did he agree with lym?
oO0Oo Resident: motivation... the coal face
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Lymne Resident: He established the taoistic principles along the lines of doing by not doing
druth Vlodovic: I'm afraid I'm badly undereducated
Lymne Resident: what he menat was dont entertain duality of purpose just be
SophiaSharon Larnia: we were talking about this earlier, and me too :)
Lymne Resident: internal arguements unfocus
druth Vlodovic: but "just being" is passive
Lymne Resident: oh no...
Lymne Resident: being is the only activity we can manifest
Lymne Resident: al else is an extension of desire, or will
Lymne Resident: which is fine...it's our road
SophiaSharon Larnia: need to unpack that sentence, being is the only activity we can manifest
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
druth Vlodovic: desire and will are part of ourselves as well
Lymne Resident: being incorporates all you bring to it
Lymne Resident: maybe
Lymne Resident: i just wonderwander
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D hahahha
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
druth Vlodovic: lets say you've lost desire, you no longer want anything, and are not even sure anymore of your own preferences
SophiaSharon Larnia: I do have to go, have an hour or so of work before bed
druth Vlodovic: is this a desireable state?
druth Vlodovic: ok, have fun sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now all :D nice to see you!! and thanks
druth Vlodovic: someday I'll have to let you talk :)
Lymne Resident: if it isnt you will fill it with wants and desires...
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i talked wayyyyyyyy to much
Lymne Resident: bye SophiaSharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye bye
oO0Oo Resident swishes tail
oO0Oo Resident: bye SSL!
druth Vlodovic: you're presupposing a certain type of personality
oO0Oo Resident smiles, swishes, and waves... me too ty all
druth Vlodovic: one which works naturally to fix undesireable states
Lymne Resident: im discussing my thoughts in response to what is being presented as a stimulus
druth Vlodovic: ah, bye sam
Lymne Resident: gnite
druth Vlodovic: oh, I'm, not criticising,
druth Vlodovic: and please don't be put off by my overuse of definite statements
Lymne Resident: druth i have enjoyed meeting you there is a zazen meeting i should attend
druth Vlodovic: if I say "you are" it means "I interpret your meaning as"
druth Vlodovic: ah, ok
Lymne Resident: i have enjoyed our time..take care
druth Vlodovic: well, have fun lymne
druth Vlodovic: I hope to meet you again
Lymne Resident: Kannoji on snowlion mountain if you like
druth Vlodovic: well, I need to get to bed
druth Vlodovic: but thanks

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druth Vlodovic: hmm, can I get a lm though?
druth Vlodovic: hi lucinda :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi druth
Lucinda Lavender: headed out ?
druth Vlodovic: you just missed everybody
druth Vlodovic: I should
Lucinda Lavender: where did they go?
druth Vlodovic: different places
Lucinda Lavender: ah...
Lucinda Lavender: have a good evening :)
druth Vlodovic: you too
Lucinda Lavender: if it is evening...
druth Vlodovic: morning now, where I am :)
Lucinda Lavender: wow... we are on different schedules:)
druth Vlodovic: what time do you have?
Lucinda Lavender: have a good morning then:)
Lucinda Lavender: 9:04 pm
druth Vlodovic: ah, so you live in lindenland
Lucinda Lavender: and you?
druth Vlodovic: watch out for earthquakes
druth Vlodovic: ontario
Lucinda Lavender: well a bit north of it but yes:)
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
Lucinda Lavender: cold I bet where you are...
druth Vlodovic: sigh, I just turned down an invite to go see what a zazen is, on the grounds that I need sleep
druth Vlodovic: now I'm not sure lol
druth Vlodovic: not too bad, warm winter
Lucinda Lavender: don't let me keep you:)
Lucinda Lavender: oh good :)
druth Vlodovic: what are you up to now?
Lucinda Lavender: oh sitting listening to jazz or radio and having fire in fireplace
druth Vlodovic: lucky, I love fireplaces
Lucinda Lavender: it will be cold in Washington this week
druth Vlodovic: oh, the recorder is still on
Lucinda Lavender: that is ok
druth Vlodovic: how cold?
Lucinda Lavender: below freezing with some flurries...always exciting:)
druth Vlodovic: lol, that's not cold!
druth Vlodovic: 20 below is cold
Lucinda Lavender: I know:)
druth Vlodovic: of course we canucks have our own measuring system designed just to impress americans
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Lucinda Lavender: I cannot type:)
druth Vlodovic: oh? I thought maybe your smiley was wearing special jewelry
Lucinda Lavender: that sounds great...and funny:0
druth Vlodovic: O:-) the sun god smiley
Lucinda Lavender: see...0 keeps inserting itself
Lucinda Lavender: makes me laugh...I must be lazy with my right hand
druth Vlodovic: "sometimes a cigar is only a cigar" and sometimes not...
Lucinda Lavender: ha ha
druth Vlodovic: what does "o" mean to you?"
Lucinda Lavender: not much really...
druth Vlodovic: ah, profound
Lucinda Lavender: I think my timing is off:)
druth Vlodovic: but that is "0" which means not much :)
Lucinda Lavender: I let go of the shift to early perhaps
druth Vlodovic: perhaps you seek negation
Lucinda Lavender: right! now you are the profound observer...
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps!
Lucinda Lavender: I do alot with subtraction at my work
druth Vlodovic: hmm, what would lucinda wish to negate?
druth Vlodovic: I would but they keep catching me :.(

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Lucinda Lavender: I play alot of take away games
druth Vlodovic: lol, I keep seing your av type and nothing comes out
Lucinda Lavender: I start and then erase sometimes
Lucinda Lavender: kind of tired I guess
druth Vlodovic: negating too much
Lucinda Lavender: don't want to keep you if you want to go...
Lucinda Lavender: wow yes!
druth Vlodovic: meh, my motivations got demotivated, now I'm not sure what I want to do or not do
Lucinda Lavender: :)
druth Vlodovic: I want to keep arguing with sophia but she ran away lol
Lucinda Lavender: ah...lol
Lucinda Lavender: are negation and subtraction the same?
Lucinda Lavender: just curious...
druth Vlodovic: not really, through subtraction you can create negatives
druth Vlodovic: negation needs something to negate
Lucinda Lavender: ah
druth Vlodovic: lol
druth Vlodovic: but then I really ought to ask a teacher
Lucinda Lavender: i am a teacher of three year olds I would not be much help:)
druth Vlodovic: they don't ask you questions like that?
Lucinda Lavender: not really...
Lucinda Lavender: we do a lot of work by demonstrating and no words
druth Vlodovic: ah yes, the montessori method
Lucinda Lavender: right!
druth Vlodovic: you'll never guess how I came up with that...
Lucinda Lavender: profile?
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Lucinda Lavender: ha ha
druth Vlodovic: curses! my genious is revealed for itself
druth Vlodovic: I'd love to see how you'd do that
Lucinda Lavender: great...do what?
druth Vlodovic: demonstrating with no words
Lucinda Lavender: show subtraction?
druth Vlodovic: I suppose with objects
Lucinda Lavender: ah...we sit with some work and ask the child if we can show them first...
Lucinda Lavender: and silently trace a letter in sand or something
Lucinda Lavender: showing them and then giving them a turn
druth Vlodovic: why do you specify doing it without language?
Lucinda Lavender: I have been wondering...maybe there are youtubes of montessori lessons...that would be so cool!
Lucinda Lavender: welllI think they are absorbing it through their senses
Lucinda Lavender: the finger in the sand doing the motor activity etc
Lucinda Lavender: tracing the letter etc
druth Vlodovic: ok,
Lucinda Lavender: allows for focus
druth Vlodovic: does it produce different types of personality or understanding then regular schools?
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know...have been in montessori a few years...regu;lar for many before that.
druth Vlodovic: so you haven't noticed anything
Lucinda Lavender: I think there is a great balance in the curriculum
Lucinda Lavender: well the social kids are on a pretty different path...
Lucinda Lavender: sometimes
Lucinda Lavender: hard to convince them that casstime is work time in prek
Lucinda Lavender: classtime

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Lucinda Lavender: well maybe I should go for now...if you think of more questions feel free to ask...
druth Vlodovic: ok
druth Vlodovic: have fun luci
Lucinda Lavender: thanks you too:)