2011.02.23 07:00 - Gangs of Thoughts in Somebody's Dream

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Sunshine Vayandar: Princess Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: thanks.... strangest thing that I didn't mean to wear this but clicked a wrong folder and it put several outfits on me at once!
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe really ;)
Eliza Madrigal: so I whittled them down
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Bleu ;)
Eliza Madrigal: I love the way you dress, very distinct
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu... speaking of distinct too :D
Bleu Oleander: hi Sun, Eliza :)
Sunshine Vayandar: I try to mix all cultures I like
Eliza Madrigal: not a bad way to live :)
Sunshine Vayandar: how are you Bleu ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I like to pick up things wherever I go
Bleu Oleander: I am very good thanks ... u both?
Eliza Madrigal: hm, same same
Sunshine Vayandar: I am good thanks ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: the big chat about the Maghreb made me worry
Eliza Madrigal: yes? Listens...
Sunshine Vayandar: I have a friend in Algeria
Sunshine Vayandar: he is like a brother
Sunshine Vayandar: so while everyone was talking politics here - I was chatting with him
Sunshine Vayandar: to find out if things are ok in Algeria
Sunshine Vayandar: he says all is safe there
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Arch ;)
Eliza Madrigal: hmm...
Eliza Madrigal: what is his sense of things?
Bleu Oleander: hi Arch
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch :)
Sunshine Vayandar: he doesn't sound worried
Sunshine Vayandar: like life goes on

Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Sun...Eliza....Bleu
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm

Archmage Atlantis: My calendar says today is dream circle, but I didn't verify against the wiki

Sunshine Vayandar: is it dream circle now?
Bleu Oleander: is dream circle still happening?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Dream Circle is the last Wed f the month.... you are right Arch!
Sunshine Vayandar: I was thinking I could do one of the 1am sessions during the weekends
Eliza Madrigal: BUT... since we've changed schedules Luci and I forgot
Archmage Atlantis: np
Eliza Madrigal: oops
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: np
Sunshine Vayandar: I'd like to come and listen to her about dreams
Eliza Madrigal: I love dream circle... the format is very interesting
Archmage Atlantis: I'm just happy I woke up and made my meeting earlier
Eliza Madrigal: it is something Luci taught us
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: brb
Bleu Oleander: what did she teach? the format?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... the structure and brought her teachers idea of the circle to us
Bleu Oleander: ah ok

Eliza Madrigal: the non-ownership aspect of it is what I find most fascinating
Eliza Madrigal: the idea that something as intimate as a dream might not be 'all about me;
Bleu Oleander: what does that mean non-ownership?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... maybe non-solidifying is a better way of putting it
Eliza Madrigal: non-ownership sounds political

Bleu Oleander: it's your dream, but not necessarily about you?

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci! We just realized that dream circle was forgotten (at least by me) sorry!
Bleu Oleander: hi Luci
Eliza Madrigal: yes, Bleu... OR that it is both
Archmage Atlantis: To me, Bleu, I would say some dreams are broader in scope than just myself
Eliza Madrigal: deeply personal but not
Lucinda Lavender: Hi everyone:) I did not forget but was unable to access internet
Sunshine Vayandar: back
Eliza Madrigal: or deeply personal and something 'more'
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Luci ;)
Eliza Madrigal: ah, I did forget :)

Archmage Atlantis: So tho I may be the dreamer, other things get incorporated
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Archmage Atlantis: So others may have insights I do not

Eliza Madrigal: Luci we were talking about the idea and format of dream circle
Lucinda Lavender: nodding...
Eliza Madrigal: and hm... actually this has resonance to issues of 'the world' as well....
Lucinda Lavender: has a dream been shared?
Eliza Madrigal: because one can feel powerless to affect the whole, like it isn't 'about me' but it really is...
Eliza Madrigal: cuts both ways

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no Luci
Lucinda Lavender: ah...:)
Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if there would be time to have circle today
Lucinda Lavender: it is great to have a chance to talk generally too:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Bleu Oleander: yes, a refresher on the dream circle ideas
Lucinda Lavender: i always viewed dreaming as personal...

--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: till I had dreams that extended out on beyond what I could possibly know...in my personal experience. And it was suggested to me that through love and less egoic approach that my view in the dream becomes expanded
Sunshine Vayandar: ã‹¡
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
Lucinda Lavender: Just this week I encountered an article also about time pouring backwards toward the present...interesting to read
Eliza Madrigal: Oh?!?!
Eliza Madrigal perks up
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: feelings pour backward the article said and we pick them up
Sunshine Vayandar: backward?
Eliza Madrigal: Dogen said something similar
Lucinda Lavender: from the future
Eliza Madrigal: that time flows from present to past
Sunshine Vayandar: hmmm
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Zen ;)
Eliza Madrigal: well... he said more than that, but reading that I realized what 'sense' it makes
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :) Good timing!
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Alfy ;)
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alfred :)
Sunshine Vayandar: meep!
Bleu Oleander: hi Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Lucinda Lavender: it certainly explains somethings that we as dreamers and thinkers come up with
Zen Arado: Hi all :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and also in some way, synchronicity

              The topic changes and reading over I see how long it took me to get on board ...ah, non-ownership!

Lucinda Lavender: Hi Boxy and Zen:)
Alfred Kelberry: what a lovely group of lovelyness :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Zen Arado: ty you Alf :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, sun... i have a little present for you :)
Sunshine Vayandar: meee?
Alfred Kelberry: *digs in his inventory*
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Sunshine Vayandar: what what?
Sunshine Vayandar: he is digging too long
Alfred Kelberry: it has your name on it :)
Alfred Kelberry: um... sort of ;)
Eliza Madrigal: endless inventory
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Alfred Kelberry: i found it today in my inventory :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Eliza Madrigal wonders
Alfred Kelberry: you got it?
Sunshine Vayandar: did you send already?
Bleu Oleander wonders what I could find in my inventory
Alfred Kelberry: yes, let me try it again
Sunshine Vayandar: it might be above Ouagadougou
Alfred Kelberry: wee! :)
Sunshine Vayandar: weeeee
Eliza Madrigal grins
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Bleu Oleander: :))
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Bruce ;)
Lucinda Lavender: :)))
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce
Sunshine Vayandar: tyty ã‹¡
Alfred Kelberry: hi, bruce :)
Zen Arado: Hi Bruce :)
Lucinda Lavender: hi bruce:0
Sunshine Vayandar: I made a sun also
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: one fascinating thing about dream circle also, is that one begins to see how a 'fragment' is a 'whole' ... similar to a piece of artwork in that way
Bruce Mowbray listens to catch the theme of today's discussion.
Alfred Kelberry: sadly a defunct company, but the name lives on! :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes Eliza...

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well we forgot today was dream circle usually Bruce, so we began to discuss the format/ideas, and also 'time flowing backwards'

Alfred Kelberry: wow
Alfred Kelberry: real sun :)
Sunshine Vayandar: in case you are cold
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Zen Arado: ty Sun
Alfred Kelberry: authenticly warm :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bleu Oleander: nice :))
Eliza Madrigal: sweet
Zen Arado: here comes the sun
Lucinda Lavender: wow...
Eliza Madrigal: do do do do
Sunshine Vayandar: lalalaaa
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Zen Arado: little darlin
Eliza Madrigal: and I say, its all right...
Alfred Kelberry: wakaon
Sunshine Vayandar: it's all rightttt dum dum dum
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Sunshine Vayandar: wakaoff
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: wakaon
Zen Arado: not many waka ers
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bruce Mowbray: wakaoff
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know how...wish I could tho
Eliza Madrigal: Luci, do you still have that article link?
Alfred Kelberry: here you go, luci
Archmage Atlantis: Ouagadougou .... I didn't even know there wEven Google looked confused for a minute
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Archmage Atlantis: *there was such a place
Lucinda Lavender: Eliza I will look...
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, no hurry but I would be so interested
Sunshine Vayandar: Capital of Burkina
Bruce Mowbray prefers to do waka waka on his feet. . .
Eliza Madrigal: this seems an important discussion to me, how we 'relate' with time
Lucinda Lavender: it is there somewhere...
Lucinda Lavender: in facebook
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, you look unusually usual today :)
Lucinda Lavender: wakaon
Eliza Madrigal: ooohhh not the facebook vacuum, heh
Sunshine Vayandar: yay ;)
Lucinda Lavender: thanks you!
Lucinda Lavender: wakaoff
Bruce Mowbray: wakaoff
Bleu Oleander: I'll take that as a compliment Boxy?
Eliza Madrigal: dancing under the sun
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, please do :)
Bleu Oleander: ty!
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: well I looked for it yesterday and it was way back in the other posts...probably....will look again tho
Alfred Kelberry: *notes a tattoo of a rose on bleu* :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bleu Oleander: good camming Boxy!
Alfred Kelberry: :)

Alfred Kelberry: what do you think of all the uprising in the middle east?
Archmage Atlantis: Twin suns....must be so other planet
Archmage Atlantis: *some
Alfred Kelberry: last i heard cameroon starts a riot
Sunshine Vayandar: cameroon?
Archmage Atlantis: Boxy, I think it reminds me of the uprising in Wisconson
Alfred Kelberry: yes, in the heart of africa
Alfred Kelberry: archy, oh...
Sunshine Vayandar: what do you think is good source of information
Sunshine Vayandar: I don't watch the news usually
Alfred Kelberry: is it that serious, archy?
Bruce Mowbray: BBC for me.
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm kk
Eliza Madrigal nods re bbc and actually aljezeera feeds, lately...
Zen Arado: but how do you know who is accurate?
Bleu Oleander: important to get a few sources I think
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: and longer articles not just blips
Bleu Oleander: yes!

Bruce Mowbray: Here's a link to live BBC feeds -- up to the minute Tweets, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

Zen Arado: I remember ann Egyptian guy telling me the BBC feeds Jewish propaganda
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: seems that people feel something across the board, about 'life' and 'finding their voice'
Eliza Madrigal: and a sense of 'is it now?'
Archmage Atlantis: Easy Bruce, follow the money.........whoever has the most can afford to tell the most lies
Zen Arado: I didn't believe him but it made me pause
Alfred Kelberry: zen, they all feed propaganda
Archmage Atlantis: The best lies are the ones that set people against each other
Zen Arado: there could be a strong Britis bias in BBC broadcasts

Bruce Mowbray cannot afford to "follow the money" -- (also, feels money is the most boring thing to follow).

Zen Arado: yes
Alfred Kelberry: it's up to shareholders
Zen Arado: I remember seeing a doc about the oil crisis and they started calling BP BRITISH petroleum instead of BP - the usual pronunciation - it's very subtle
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Good example Zen
Bleu Oleander: yes, words and how we use them :)
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, i'd say that the wall street games are rather intriguing :)

Bruce Mowbray releases special notice: Shares in "Blub, Inc." have just gone public --$100 per share -- Buy Blub Stocks Now!

Zen Arado: there is a lot of subtle brainwashing going on
Zen Arado: in language

Bleu Oleander: some not so subtle!

Bruce Mowbray: Blub, Inc approves of "clean brains."
Zen Arado: Gadafi blaming young students for unrest

Sunshine Vayandar: Cameroon, Gabon, Zimbabwe and Mauritania to see protests
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I haven't heard of anything in SA

Eliza Madrigal: yes, it isn't subtle, it is that we play along

Alfred Kelberry: zen, he's blaming some pills :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, sun
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Alfred Kelberry: it really spreads

Zen Arado: how we twist the truth to suit oursleves
Zen Arado: good lesson for each of us
Bleu Oleander: "truth" is subjective
Zen Arado: exactly Bleu

Alfred Kelberry: zen, headlines are a wonderful example of it
Zen Arado: yeh
Alfred Kelberry: especially if you read translated sources
Alfred Kelberry: it has a lot of room for interpretation :)                     
Eliza Madrigal: ah, words words words.... here is my cue to overlap the two topics....

Eliza Madrigal: (from zen mind beginners mind) Dogen Zen-ji said, Time goes from present to past. This is absurd, but in our practice sometimes it is true. Instead of time progressing from past to present, it goes backwards from present to past.

Yoshitsune was a famous warrior who lived in midieval Japan. Because of the situation of the country at the time, he was sent to the northern provinces, where he was killed. Before he left he bade farewell to his wife, and soon after she wrote in a poem, Just as you unreel the thread from a spool, I want the past to become present. When she said this, actually she made past time present. In her mind the past became alive and was the present.

Alfred Kelberry: tl;dr :P
Eliza Madrigal: a different 'view'
Zen Arado: wish I could do that
Eliza Madrigal: we do it all the time.... we make room
Zen Arado looks for thread spool
Zen Arado: 'firewood does not become ash'
Zen Arado: as Dogen also said
Eliza Madrigal: but is it other than ash?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Obs

                    Great typo from Alfred:

Alfred Kelberry: eliza, very true, we often live in the past of the future
Alfred Kelberry: *or

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: *looks at the group and tries to stay in the present* :)
Eliza Madrigal: so news writers have a 'view' [with a time based agenda?] that it is crucial to factor in... if we can do that then we can take in multiple sources and not become overwhelmed perhaps... genuine critical thinking?
Zen Arado lives in the present
Bleu Oleander: I like to think that I'm in the present :)
Zen Arado: it's a trendy place
Bleu Oleander: can't seem to escape it
Zen Arado: it's where it all happens
Bleu Oleander: at the zoo
Zen Arado: monkey frowns?
Archmage Atlantis: I do believe it, I do believe it's true
Eliza Madrigal grins
Bleu Oleander: ha!

Lucinda Lavender: Well dears...I must go feel the chickensand get ready to drive in the snow...gets ready for many possible futures
Lucinda Lavender: feed!
Alfred Kelberry: thankfully, our mind can travel vast distances without aid of the body :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Lucinda :) Enjoy your field of possibilities
Zen Arado: bye Luci
Bleu Oleander: ponders feeling chickens
Sunshine Vayandar: Take care Luci ã‹¡
Eliza Madrigal: infinite possible chickens
Bleu Oleander: bye Luci
Zen Arado: regards to chickens
Lucinda Lavender: that was an oops
Lucinda Lavender: thanks they sed their love...
Lucinda Lavender: send
Zen Arado: no crossing roads
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Bleu Oleander: chicken love
Lucinda Lavender: right!
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe

Alfred Kelberry: roasted chicken with french fries
Zen Arado: tch boxy
Alfred Kelberry: it's hard to live in the present

Sunshine Vayandar: May be it's interesting to look at Afrigator - which is the site for the african blogger community : http://afrigator.com/

                     And we end up in the grocery store...

Zen Arado: if you had to wring the chicken's neck would you eat it boxy?
Bleu Oleander: easy, just go with it Boxy
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, Sun
Zen Arado: ty Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: yw ;)
Alfred Kelberry: zen, i buy it in a store :)
Zen Arado: I know but if you had to kill the chicken would you?
Zen Arado: I would find that difficult
Zen Arado: impossible
Bleu Oleander: I couldn't do it
Zen Arado: unless I was starving of course
Bleu Oleander: 'nother story, Zen
Zen Arado: yeh Bleu
Alfred Kelberry: yes, we're all animal rights proponents when it comes to kill one :)

Zen Arado: would eat boxy then

Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: much of what we eat is the equivalent
Zen Arado: with French fries
Eliza Madrigal: boxes :)
Eliza Madrigal: as long as we're ranting I mean
Zen Arado: and a nce Beauolais :)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh

Alfred Kelberry: i like to think that they just happen to be in a store nicely placed on a plastic tray :)
Archmage Atlantis: I have been all over the the "killing" part in my mind.......I have "harvested" chickens for food with my father who was raised on a farm

Bleu Oleander: yes, lots of plastic

Zen Arado: turning into Hannibal Lecter
Archmage Atlantis: It isn't pleasant

Bleu Oleander: as long as we're ranting

Alfred Kelberry: well, i like meat... can't be a veggie, sorry
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... and things called things that aren't... like if you spell something 'wyngs' rather than wings...
Eliza Madrigal: colbert does hilarious skits on this...
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: what does 'filler' mean
Zen Arado: well beef is a euphemism too
Eliza Madrigal: YES
Zen Arado: and pork
Eliza Madrigal: filler often = sand and chemicals
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bleu Oleander: yummy
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Zen Arado: steak
Alfred Kelberry: mmm, steak
Zen Arado: we don't say lets eat some dead cow flesh
Eliza Madrigal: so there are these laws about how many words a company is allowed to 'creatively' spell
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)

Archmage Atlantis: I think tho, that those philosophies that thank the animal for providing life, and make the process of death as kind as possible may be the most reasonable
Eliza Madrigal nods Arch

Bleu Oleander: going to hear Temple Grandin speak soon
Zen Arado: ok but I prefer to live no metter how humane my death might be :)
Alfred Kelberry: bleu, what speak?
Bleu Oleander: http://www.templegrandin.com/
Alfred Kelberry: in rl?
Bleu Oleander: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Ya
Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
Zen Arado gets of his animal rights box
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Zen Arado: Hi Yaku
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Yaku
Alfred Kelberry: yaku-san
Eliza Madrigal thinks of autism and magic... how autistic kids are said not to fall for the same slight of hand tricks...
Archmage Atlantis: I have no children, but if I did, and the only choice was to kill an animal or let my children starve......well I might not like the choices I have, but I'd have to pick one

Eliza Madrigal: I must be moving on today...
Alfred Kelberry: eliza is leaving :(
Eliza Madrigal: yes, taking my halo and going home...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Bleu Oleander: me too .... bye all :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

Archmage Atlantis: Yes it is time......I'm getting kinda heavy in thought

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye you both
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee ;)
Archmage Atlantis: bye all
Zen Arado: me too
Eliza Madrigal: yes... wait...
Eliza Madrigal: before we go
Eliza Madrigal: wakaon
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, all leavers :)
Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Sunshine Vayandar: yay ;)
Eliza Madrigal: shake it off
Eliza Madrigal: heheh

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: away with the thoughts
Zen Arado: like dicks flapping wings
Eliza Madrigal dropping
Zen Arado: ducks (blushes )
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Alfred Kelberry: too late, zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: wakaoff
Bleu Oleander: funny .... take care all :)
Alfred Kelberry: *watches dicks flying*
Eliza Madrigal: thanks guys, bye for now :)
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee Eliza ;)
Zen Arado: bye all
Sunshine Vayandar: bye Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: can i have one of those ?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, you've not got one yet Ya?
Sunshine Vayandar: waka?
Eliza Madrigal: done :)
Eliza Madrigal: Okay... off to talk with zen to plan the next SL retreat I think....
Yakuzza Lethecus: wakaon
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx :)
Sunshine Vayandar: yay ;) ok
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now.... see you both soon
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeeee
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: wakaoff

                         Another session begins...

Sunshine Vayandar: how are you both ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: pretty well, just had dinner early
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are the customs in south africa when is dinnertime ther ?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm well in my case there are no customs
Yakuzza Lethecus: in spain it´s later in the evening in germany usually between 6-8 pm
Sunshine Vayandar: everything seems to be starting with me ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: we don't have rigid rules around that
Sunshine Vayandar: ah
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Sunshine Vayandar: yes between 6-8
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, we don´t have ridgit times either, i just eat with my farther and his gf in the flat downstairs
Sunshine Vayandar: meep!
Sunshine Vayandar: ah kk ;)
Alfred Kelberry: in spain it's siesta all day
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I heard ;)
Alfred Kelberry: in germany you work long and hard
Alfred Kelberry: not as much as in japan or korea though
Sunshine Vayandar: what happens in japan and korea
Yakuzza Lethecus: well i don´t work too long, just 8-9 hrs effective
Yakuzza Lethecus: still it´s manual work which i do
Alfred Kelberry: but germany has to drag all the europe :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: how long do you have to work boxy ?
Alfred Kelberry: 9-5
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: I work at home - so flexible
Sunshine Vayandar: I never had a 9-5 job hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: almost never hmm
Yakuzza Lethecus: well partly i am happy as working in a stupid 6-2or3 pm job
Alfred Kelberry: sun, even if you work at home, having a schedule helps :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so off work means really being off work
Sunshine Vayandar: ah yes there is schedule
Yakuzza Lethecus: still there are a lot of aspects that i wouldn´t define as too positive
Sunshine Vayandar: could be better
Sunshine Vayandar: what do u mean Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: for example ,,what i am surrounded by" what i feel i learn
Yakuzza Lethecus: what am i circling when i am standing at the machine
Yakuzza Lethecus: do i think of the ,,tungsten carbides i am working with" or am i on a totally different place with my thoughts
Sunshine Vayandar: kk yes
Sunshine Vayandar: tung what
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: is my work useful ? what´s the value of my work ? would someone in a low wage country wouldn´t even do this even better for much less ?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes
Alfred Kelberry: yaku, if you help people in some way, it is useful
Yakuzza Lethecus: is the banking system supposed to create good pregonditions for the ,,real economy" or only for it itself, well i drift through thoughts that aren´t even connected very well

Sunshine Vayandar: I was fortunate when I arrived in africa - I was given freedom to just be
Sunshine Vayandar: at first I had no idea what to do
Sunshine Vayandar: but soon I started learning things

Yakuzza Lethecus: i think we give ourselves that freedom to a large part but i don´t even want to give myself that freedom sometimes somehow

Alfred Kelberry: i find that often times it takes just a couple minutes of my time (as in nothing special), but it has a big impact on people and they're thankful :)
Sunshine Vayandar: and as soon as I started working with computers and the net - that was it - I was fascinated
Alfred Kelberry: sun :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, that is a nice example boxy
Sunshine Vayandar: yes so true boxy
Sunshine Vayandar: and so soon I started making my own school
Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: which people think impossible to do
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm so I worked on this school for many years ... and made some money with updating sites
Sunshine Vayandar: the school never really made money
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Lugh ;)
Alfred Kelberry: sun, i like this quote about impossible things: he made it, because he was too young and didn't know that it was impossible :)
Alfred Kelberry: lugh the acid man :)
Lugh Fehr: hellow :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lugh
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) nice
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm but now that is over and I might even get a job
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Alfred Kelberry: twinkle, twinkle little star...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Alfred Kelberry: don't give up, sun :)
Lugh Fehr: how i wonder where you are
Alfred Kelberry: sun, you can sing it for us :)
Sunshine Vayandar: no I don't Alfy but so nice you say that
Sunshine Vayandar: no it's Alf's turn
Sunshine Vayandar: I don't know that song
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
Alfred Kelberry: i can't sing :)
Alfred Kelberry: i can hardly play :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well actually i think that i shouldn´t allow myself to say exactly that even in thoughts to myself
Yakuzza Lethecus: well still i would say the same boxy
Yakuzza Lethecus: but actually i wonder why are even ppl whom are ,,good" in rethoric bad
Alfred Kelberry: i heard sun singing and i heard myself, yaku :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: the best students at school in germany would have never said ,,i am the best!" since someone like that would be perceived negatively
Alfred Kelberry: there's a difference :)
Lugh Fehr: theirs a question what trick can you use to humble your self?
Alfred Kelberry: yaku, saying i'm the best is taking a lot of responsobility
Lugh Fehr: i sure need an answer
Alfred Kelberry: lugh, we wouldn't know, cause we're already humble here :)
Lugh Fehr: hehee
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Lugh Fehr: well what im thincking is marry my self hate and my self superiority feeling kill off the parents and keep the child......hmm how do you get ideas to mate?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Lugh Fehr: hehhe ill fix them a blind date

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm gotta go - ty for the Sun Alfy ;)
Lugh Fehr: byebye sun :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ah can I ask guardian question
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care sun
Sunshine Vayandar: if I wanna take a weekly slot
Sunshine Vayandar: who do I tell - or am I too new?
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: just talk to lia or eliza
Sunshine Vayandar: Lia?
Alfred Kelberry: wait, what did i miss?
Alfred Kelberry: and whose sessing is this now?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm It was Elizas
Sunshine Vayandar: i think
Alfred Kelberry: ok, turn it off?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm gaya asked for replacement
Sunshine Vayandar: I am still getting used to the names
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh
Alfred Kelberry: gaya the bunny - easy to remember :)
Lugh Fehr: maby if i tread the idas together trghuo resoning ill hate my baby
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: this is really eliza´s slot now as i see in the schedule

--BELL--

Lugh Fehr: have *
Alfred Kelberry: lugh, are you expecting a baby?
Yakuzza Lethecus smiles
Lugh Fehr: i hope so :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Lugh Fehr: hehee
Alfred Kelberry: congrats? :)
Sunshine Vayandar: I am not sure I understand Lugh
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Sunshine Vayandar: ty Yaku ;)
Lugh Fehr: hehee no no its a silly thing im saying whanting to marry of two ideas never mind im just rembelling hehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: wakaon
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: yes yes Lugh
Alfred Kelberry: lugh, stop taking this acid of yours :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: wakaoff
Sunshine Vayandar: lol Alfy
Lugh Fehr: i havent taking acid in over a year
Alfred Kelberry: oh
Sunshine Vayandar: I was trying to become Lugh for a bit so that I see what he sees about the ideas
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Alfred Kelberry: go ahead, sun :)
Sunshine Vayandar: but the ideas didn't marry in my head
Lugh Fehr: :P
Sunshine Vayandar: ;P
Alfred Kelberry: so?
Sunshine Vayandar: may be by tomorrow
Alfred Kelberry: sun singing for us?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm manana
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee Yaku ;)
Lugh Fehr: human babeis take 9 months in the womb
Lugh Fehr: hehe mabey idea babies take soem time hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes
Alfred Kelberry: lugh, it's just cause otherwise they won't come out
Alfred Kelberry: it really takes much more than that
Sunshine Vayandar: I think thoughts are floating all over the place and they mix easily
Lugh Fehr: i hope not hehe :)
Sunshine Vayandar: and there are babies
Lugh Fehr: thoughts yes but hole patters of them?
Lugh Fehr: patterns*
Sunshine Vayandar: patterns?
Sunshine Vayandar: like?
Lugh Fehr: thoughe patters which circulate toghether and they form tendencies
Sunshine Vayandar: kk
Lugh Fehr: youd get a tendancy to get shy
Lugh Fehr: or to get made about politics
Lugh Fehr: mad*
Sunshine Vayandar: is that thoughts that do that
Sunshine Vayandar: to get mad

Lugh Fehr: yes and they form gangs of them self the little creepy bastards!
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm I am not sure it if very clear
Sunshine Vayandar: if it is
Lugh Fehr: little creepy voices yelling strange things in a dark room hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: I am not so clever hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: where do they come from?
Lugh Fehr: im probably less so you wont have trouble chaching up hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Lugh Fehr: hehe no im just joking i m talking about thoughts
Sunshine Vayandar: yes
Lugh Fehr: toughts or somthinglike that
Sunshine Vayandar: sounds interesting what you say
Lugh Fehr: heheh :P

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm you have voices in your head Lugh?
Sunshine Vayandar: what are they saying?
Lugh Fehr: dont you?
Sunshine Vayandar: of course I do
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: I have a choir up there lol
Lugh Fehr: for egsample
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Sunshine Vayandar: meep!

Lugh Fehr: the two gangs of thought that i wona marry are one of them thinck im a dirt bag and in it the members are past memories of failers and humiliation and the other gang are thincking all the bad stuff in the world and how pittyfull it is and how renably well i found an extreamly better way of life then most

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: so u wanna marry those 2?
Lugh Fehr: and humiliating expirences i have in my day trigger the humiliation gang the positive thoughts trigger the superiority feeling
Lugh Fehr: yes
Lugh Fehr: and from them maby i would have humbleness
Sunshine Vayandar: negative and positive things about you?
Sunshine Vayandar: or your experiences
Lugh Fehr: not exactly they are pleanty of moor gangs some loyal to me some not

Lugh Fehr: they are gangs of thoughts recering over and over or eleborating them selfs
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes
Sunshine Vayandar: repeating again and again

Lugh Fehr: and becouse they would be simmiler they attract each other and form a gang
Lugh Fehr: and becouse they would be simmiler they attract each other and form a gang
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm kk

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: I think u can teach yourself to think positive
Sunshine Vayandar: and not dwell in the bad things too much
Lugh Fehr: and if you get two gangs saying the opposit thing and fight them off aginst each other you can claime superiority
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I wonder how does one do that
Lugh Fehr: no no the thing that is couseing me the most problem now is the positive a while back it was the negative but im happy now so i loos my humle ness and turn into a dick
Sunshine Vayandar: ahh
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: well if you feel that its upsetting you then you can stop that
Sunshine Vayandar: no matter what it is that is not a desirable thought
Sunshine Vayandar: like you are doing it right now
Lugh Fehr: yes i can stop it by leaving but i also whant to change them whit others so i can still use the mind and i wouldnt get the hassle
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm
Sunshine Vayandar: hmhmmm
Lugh Fehr: leaving and changing them are different for me mabey thats my missconseption though
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm yes I think it's good to see examples always
Sunshine Vayandar: but must go now ;(
Lugh Fehr: yeah i must go too :) tnx for chatting :P

Sunshine Vayandar: would like to hear more - how the war of thoughts turned out
Sunshine Vayandar: pls send me war reports

Lugh Fehr: heheh its easier to thinck in silly form isint it
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Lugh
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: chat later ;)
Lugh Fehr: take care yah too cya
Sunshine Vayandar: byebye meepy ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: meep!
Lugh Fehr: hehe shhh he fell asleep
Lugh Fehr: meep!
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe okok zzzzz
Sunshine Vayandar: shhhh I tiptoe out
Alfred Kelberry: meep!