2010.11.16 13:00 - Monkey Mind

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray.

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Riddle!
Riddle Sideways: Hey Bruce

--BELL—

Riddle Sideways wondered if you would make it now
Bruce Mowbray: I was afraid that the weather here would cut off my satellite connection, but the storm has just now passed over . . .
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Riddle Sideways: still have your radar page up and you got stormy weather
Bertram Jacobus: good evening everybody from Germany :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Bert! Hey Wol!
Wol Euler waves
Riddle Sideways: HI Bert and Wol 
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Lugh!
Riddle Sideways: Hi Lugh  
Riddle Sideways: question: has anybody tried/used text-to-speech on PaB logs?
Bertram Jacobus: i even don´t know what that is riddle - sry. so : no ;o)
Bruce Mowbray: Nope, I've not tried that (text-to-speech) yet. . .
Riddle Sideways: ok, that would be no
Wol Euler: no, nor I
Bruce Mowbray: sounds amusing, to say the least!
Riddle Sideways: nice antlers, Lugh :)
Wol Euler: hello lugh
Lugh Fehr: hihi tnx heyy people
Bertram Jacobus: hi lugh ...
Riddle Sideways: well, I tried a Firefox add-on and it spells out almost all of our names
Riddle Sideways: can't pronounce them
Wol Euler: heh
Bruce Mowbray: ha!
Bruce Mowbray wonders - with the storm that just passed through - if Lugh's antlers attract lightning.
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: if we coat them with tinfoil they would!
Lugh Fehr: i hope not but i do get good mobile reception with them
Riddle Sideways: lightning rods depend on how grounded you are
Lugh Fehr: hihihii
Wol Euler: well, meditators like us must be very well grounded :)
Bruce Mowbray: When I was a tree (yesterday) I felt pretty grounded (roots and all).
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Wol Euler nods.
Riddle Sideways: btw - love the pic of SL mountain with arrow to "Bruce"
Wol Euler: yeah :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) - - - ty!
Riddle Sideways: and love the 5 Wols
Wol Euler: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I was writing to a prisoner friend this afternoon, and I included several pics from our "fashion show" - -
Wol Euler: they each have their own name actually
Wol Euler: my alts
Bruce Mowbray: wow -- FIVE alts!
Wol Euler: I hadn't realized how strong the family resemblance was until I saw them all together :) it surprised me
Riddle Sideways: I wish I was artist enough to make the little fat guy
Wol Euler: :)
Riddle Sideways: he is classic
Wol Euler: I'm not an artist either, not at all. I just spent a year on trial and error
Riddle Sideways: well, it paid off
Wol Euler: everyone likes him, yes, I'm very pleased with how he comes across

Wol Euler: everyone's favourite uncle :)

Bruce Mowbray: I admired you for not having them wear clothes . . . Even Bruce [as a tree] felt he had to wear leopard skin underwear.
Bruce Mowbray: couldn't "drop" everything, unfortunately.
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: well, there is the second photo ...
Bruce Mowbray will find the gallery. . . (brb)
Riddle Sideways: 9 wols or 12?
Riddle Sideways: is the cat and 2 mice avs/alts?
Wol Euler: the same five alts, in all the forms that they usually use
Bruce Mowbray: Note the last line of thumbnails -- Wol is on the bottom-right:
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.hermitdog.com/pab_dropping/Gallery.htm
Wol Euler: I'm the Na'vi and the tiny leopard
Wol Euler: the fat guy is the cat and the tiny opossum
Wol Euler: the pale girl is the white furry
Bruce Mowbray: LOVE the Na'vi !
Wol Euler: oh, and I am also the boxrobot
Wol Euler: the young guy is the dark furry
Wol Euler: the older woman is only herself
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Alfred!
Riddle Sideways: Hey Alf, nice you dropped in
Bertram Jacobus: hey alfi - landed again close to me ... :-)
Alfred Kelberry: hello :)
Wol Euler: hello alf
Alfred Kelberry: oh, sorry, berty
Lugh Fehr: yeah the fat guy is great
Lugh Fehr: hey al

--BELL—

Wol Euler smiles
Alfred Kelberry: i should remember to step back a bit before i log off :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Hana -- (we’re on a ‘dropping break’ at the moment) . . .
Lugh Fehr: hey hana
Riddle Sideways: Hi Hana
Wol Euler: hello hana
Hana Furlough: Hi everyone!
Bertram Jacobus: i find it a privilege when you land close to me alf ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hi hana
Riddle Sideways: like cardboard from heaven
Alfred Kelberry: woly, how did Storm permit your nsfw art work on display? :)
Alfred Kelberry: berty :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Hana Furlough: lol, rid!
Wol Euler: dunno, perhaps because I didn’t ask?
Wol Euler: the land is rated "mature"
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Riddle Sideways: lol
Wol Euler: and I told them that they could take it down if anyone objected
Alfred Kelberry: well, i liked it, woly - good job
Wol Euler: ty
Riddle Sideways: no one objected
Bruce Mowbray: I just told Wol that I admired her for posting the photo - - All of her alts dropped EVERYthing!
Wol Euler: I finally got around to writing a notecard for it too :)
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, true
Wol Euler smiles
Bruce Mowbray just remembered that he belongs to a nudist group in Sl that he hasn't visited in months.
Alfred Kelberry: how often do you have assignments like that?
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: irregularly, every two or three months?
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, a nudist group?! a surprise :)
Hana Furlough: lol
Bruce Mowbray: The Art of Being is a monthly project, right?
Wol Euler: really? I thought the interval was much longer than that
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- This is only the second one I've attended, so I don't really know.
Alfred Kelberry: outburst of creativity :)
Wol Euler: hello pia
Alfred Kelberry: hi, pia
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Pia!
Hana Furlough: Hi Pia
Pia Janic: oi:)
Riddle Sideways: Hi Pia
Lugh Fehr: hey pia cool av
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
Pia Janic: noup:) thanks
Wol Euler: ok, I'll give you an introduction in IM so we don’t disturb the others
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, then! And I need to ask you if it's OK if we post the chat long in our wiki . . .
Wol Euler: or I'll let Bruce do it :)
Bruce Mowbray: If not ok with you, then I will delete whatever you say from the log.
Alfred Kelberry: hey, yaku!
Pia Janic: for me is no problem
Bertram Jacobus: hi pia and yaku ... ! :-)
Bruce Mowbray: Pia, we meet around the clock and around the world -- at these SL times: 1, 7, 1, 7....
Riddle Sideways: Hi (again) Yak
Hana Furlough: Hi Yaku
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Lugh Fehr: hey yakkoo
Bruce Mowbray: In other words, every six hours -- right here at the fountain.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Yaku.
Alfred Kelberry: i heard a little story today attributed to Suzuki Hiroshi...
Wol Euler listens.
Wol Euler: there's a meeting in the cafe
Wol Euler: so perhaps yes
Bruce Mowbray: don't know about Dream Workshop but would love to hear Al's story.
Alfred Kelberry: once after a meditation session a student came to him and said: Hiroshi-san, I’ve been sitting all 45 minutes and couldn't calm down a single minute. My monkey mind was wondering.
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Yakuzza Lethecus: and bfn :)
Alfred Kelberry: Hiroshi replied: oh! How did you know that? (end of story)
Pia Janic: monkey mind haha
Wol Euler: heh
Bruce Mowbray: Ha!
Bruce Mowbray: GOOD story, Al!
Pia Janic: yup
Alfred Kelberry: seeing a Monkey Mind is already becoming mindful :)
Hana Furlough: :)
Wol Euler: or "One step at a time, grasshopper"
Alfred Kelberry: he's the founder of zen school in the u.s., btw
Pia Janic: so what’s the point, that we aren’t even conscious of mind tricking us?
Lugh Fehr: cool story
Alfred Kelberry: grasshopper, right :)
Bertram Jacobus: would be a nice interpretation I think pia ! ... :-)
Bruce Mowbray: well, if one sees her own "Monkey Mind," then one is at least aware of that . . . and not day-dreaming about something else, perhaps.
Hana Furlough: Are you referring to Suzuki Shunryu?
Alfred Kelberry: ordinary mind is too busy to see
Pia Janic: but to see things as they are with monkey mind?

--BELL—

Pia Janic: monkey only thinks me and mine
Alfred Kelberry: hana, suzuki hiroshi
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t know much about monkey minds ...
Bertram Jacobus: oops - sry
Pia Janic: i mean that’s animal mentality, thinking only of me and mine:)
Pia Janic: sorry i didn’t know its silence time.
Hana Furlough: ok thanks
Lugh Fehr: hehhee
Bruce Mowbray: sometimes I am so involved with my Monkey that I talk right through the breaks . . .
Lugh Fehr: yep like when separate single-celled creatures merged into one organism so are we into one organism ....whole world
Bruce Mowbray thinks WOW! We were talking about that here, just this morning.
Pia Janic: :)
Bruce Mowbray: (or was that an email . . . ?)
Riddle Sideways: yes, seemed like just this morning
Riddle Sideways: sometimes conversation is like talk radio
Riddle Sideways: all day long on the same subject
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Thanks for the 'reality check.' -- I was going in several directions at once, I'm afraid.
Riddle Sideways: in the same groove
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Riddle Sideways: or gutter
Bertram Jacobus: i´m also sometimes really not very sure, what animals think and feel and don´t and all that ...
Bruce Mowbray: Maybe we should ask the guy with antlers about that.
Lugh Fehr: monkey mind :D -- i love that term hehe
Riddle Sideways: not even sure what my cat sees out that window right now
Pia Janic: my point was more of that people are distinct from animals to think who am i, where i came from, where i’m going:)
Wol Euler nods.
Pia Janic: but we all see our own reality
Wol Euler: we seem to be the only animals that do introspection, for better or worse
Bruce Mowbray: Indeed, we all MAKE our own reality.
Pia Janic: might see same, but our feelings changes perspective
Lugh Fehr: animals i think only experience a little thinking so it’s not a problem for them but they lack our potential
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Al!
Alfred Kelberry: woly, maybe dolphins do, as well :)
Lugh Fehr: and elephants i have a hunch
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, sorry, unexpected jump :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) no problem, Al!
Lugh Fehr: and maybe even chimps
Hana Furlough: i need to run back to work
Hana Furlough: happy afternoon, all!
Alfred Kelberry: bye, Hana!
Lugh Fehr: bye Hana
Bruce Mowbray: OK, Hana. Thanks for dropping in.
Riddle Sideways: back (from phone) bye Hana
Pia Janic: ** Please come again! **
Riddle Sideways: :)
Bruce Mowbray thinks that he often communicates with trees and [other] animals better than he does with humans.
Alfred Kelberry: may i ask... does anyone know a story of the little match girl?
Pia Janic: yup, they don’t talk back haha
Bruce Mowbray: nope, please tell us. . .
Bruce Mowbray: (I don't, I mean.)
Riddle Sideways listens for story
Pia Janic: [Me]
Pia Janic: mee too
Pia Janic: ops
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
Alfred Kelberry: supposedly an older generation should know it :)
Wol Euler: :-PPPP
Riddle Sideways: umm, who you calling old, sonny
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)  I am only eight months old.
Wol Euler: kids today, no respect.
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's about a poor little girl who's selling matches out in the cold and snow
 Alfred Kelberry: her step-father sent her and told not to come back without money
Alfred Kelberry: she has only 2 matches left and can't sell them
Alfred Kelberry: it's getting dark and colder and she's getting weak... she starts seeing a vision of her passed away grandma. the only person who cared for her.
Alfred Kelberry: as she strikes a match the vision becomes clearer
Alfred Kelberry: she strikes the last matches and... dies in the snow
Alfred Kelberry: the end
Wol Euler wipes away a tear.
Alfred Kelberry: *pats woly's back*
Wol Euler: hello allan, haven't seen you here in a while
Riddle Sideways: great story.
Alfred Kelberry: hi, allan
Lugh Fehr: that was a bit macabre hehe
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Match_Girl
Bruce Mowbray remembers meeting a little boy selling chewing gum on the streets of Panama City. . .
Lugh Fehr: hey allan
Allan Whiteberry: Hey, Just checking to see if it was still here
Riddle Sideways: the thing I hate about the internet is wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Match_Girl
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Allan.
Riddle Sideways: oh darn Wol did it first
Alfred Kelberry: oh, new word for me - macabre :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: ghoulish
Alfred Kelberry: woly gets a cookie!
Allan Whiteberry: Hey, "Das kleine Maedchen mit den Schwefelholz"
Alfred Kelberry: ghastly 
Riddle Sideways: Hi Allen and Zon
Zon Kwan: heya
 
--BELL—

 
Allan Whiteberry: I'm surprised you remember me :)
Bruce Mowbray’s Monkey Mind has amnesia.
Wol Euler: .)
Allan Whiteberry: Is there a specific topic discussed today?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon!
Wol Euler: actually, Riddle, what I love most about the Internet is Wikipedia. e.g. the page of short stories first published in 1845, to which that one belongs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1845_short_stories
Bruce Mowbray wonders how to answer Allan's question.
Bruce Mowbray: Is there a particular topic you'd like to discuss, Allan?
Wol Euler: I love and admire the outpouring of geeky zeal that it has let loose in the world, freeing us to contribute what we know and love
Riddle Sideways: really need to find the emodicon for "being sarcastic.” I could use often
Wol Euler: :)
Allan Whiteberry: No, I was just curious, to whether this was structured or open. A lot can change in 6 months
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, Wikipedia is awesome
Bruce Mowbray: It is quite "open."
Wol Euler: very unstructured
Bruce Mowbray: Al's been telling us moving stories.
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: and we've also talked about being "aware" of Monkey Mind, etc.
Wol Euler: we'd been talking about monkey mind, and before that about an art exhibition connected with the group
Bruce Mowbray: (all of that this session).
Allan Whiteberry: I just heard that last two lines of the Match Girl. That was Hans Christian Anderson, wasn't it?
Wol Euler: oh, hello Zon, I didn't see you arrive
Riddle Sideways: well, speaking of Nakedness
Riddle Sideways: one more thing
Lugh Fehr: hey Zon
Riddle Sideways: One of the great movies is "What do you say to a Naked Lady"
Riddle Sideways: Alan Funt and candid camera stuff
Wol Euler: :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://hermitdog.com/pab_dropping/Dropping_34.jpg
Alfred Kelberry: nsfw!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Aph!
Alfred Kelberry: hi, aph :)
Wol Euler: hello aphro
Riddle Sideways: Hi Aphr
Bruce Mowbray: That was a link to one of Wol's photos of her alts.
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Just been to a Bergson lecture
Wol Euler: cool
Aphrodite Macbain: about the spirituality gene
Bruce Mowbray: I used to attend those lectures, until he got mad at me for bringing an umbrella to class.  (Gives an umbrella to everyone at the fountain.)
Aphrodite Macbain: apparently we are all, to a greater or lesser degree, hardwired to be spiritual
Alfred Kelberry: Aph, please, tell us more
Wol Euler: wb Zon
Alfred Kelberry: yes, we all believe in something
Zon Kwan: thx
Aphrodite Macbain: then culture or society does the rest - shaping it into religious beliefs or not
Aphrodite Macbain: beliefs
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks, Bruce. You already gave me one. I should get it out again
Alfred Kelberry: aph, is it on dna level?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes - this spirituality gene
Bruce Mowbray: That’s for taking with you to Thursday's lecture with Bergson. Tee hee.
Allan Whiteberry: Thanks, it may rain soon
Aphrodite Macbain: he wasn't able to go into detail
Alfred Kelberry: i can't hold an umbrella :/
Bruce Mowbray: awww.. poor Al. . . but he can tell good stories!
Alfred Kelberry: lovely pattern on it
Aphrodite Macbain: attach it to your scarf
Aphrodite Macbain: can you?
Alfred Kelberry: Aph, it's going to look ugly :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes but maybe you'll be dry. Nothing worse than wet cardboard
Riddle Sideways: ok folks need to go
Zon Kwan: cool, ty bruce
Alfred Kelberry: Tinies are oppressed in sl... even no tiny seat in pagoda :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Riddle. See you next time.
Wol Euler: bye riddle
Lugh Fehr: tnx bruce sorry i’m a bit distracted hehe
Aphrodite Macbain: oooo. Storm should do something about that!
Bruce Mowbray thinks lightning might just have struck Aph's glowing umbrella.
Alfred Kelberry: oh, cute umbrella, woly
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Riddle
Wol Euler: ty
Aphrodite Macbain: ouch!
Alfred Kelberry: ha! aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: very invigorating!
Alfred Kelberry: *tries to sneak under woly's umbrella*
Bruce Mowbray: Each of the segments of the umbrella can be colored individually.
Wol Euler: heheheh
Alfred Kelberry: yay! :)
Wol Euler: there!
Alfred Kelberry: *hears rain drops*
Bruce Mowbray considers the possibility of "Umbrella Mind."
Aphrodite Macbain: oh no. I'm fried!
Alfred Kelberry: oh, interesting

--BELL—

Alfred Kelberry: *becomes aware of his left hand*
Aphrodite Macbain: how's the wind Bruce?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone (in case someone wasn’t greeted 40 min ago)
Wol Euler: you don't have hands :)
Bruce Mowbray: You mean the storm we had in Ohio today?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. Was it big?
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back, Yaku?
Alfred Kelberry: ok... paws? :)
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, but it passed over just as this session was beginning, fortunately.
Bruce Mowbray: so I got my connection back after a few hours.
Aphrodite Macbain: Good time to hang out yur laundry 
Alfred Kelberry: i like how "ohio" sounds
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) It sounds like a friendly exclamation!!
Bruce Mowbray: Looks like we're in for another 'spell' of it. OH-IO!
Allan Whiteberry: It is. It means Hello in Japanese
Bruce Mowbray: "spell of it” --- har har har.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: really? Wow, I didn't know that.
Allan Whiteberry: maybe not spelled the same
Bruce Mowbray: I think it was originally a Native American word. . . (I mean the ‘Ohio’ that this state is named after.)
Allan Whiteberry: but sounds almost the same
Bruce Mowbray: cool.
Allan Whiteberry: o-hai-yo
Bruce Mowbray: Yep, that's exactly how I pronounce it.
Aphrodite Macbain: The radar image is amazing and frightening Bruce. Just as well it's moving away from you
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, quite an interesting little storm.
Aphrodite Macbain: doesn't look little to me!
Bruce Mowbray: Our storms in the Midwest seem to be getting bigger and bigger.
Bruce Mowbray: We had one a month ago that was as powerful as a Category 3 hurricane.
Wol Euler nods. Here too.
Lugh Fehr: groovy umbrella
Alfred Kelberry: f3 they say?
Wol Euler: but of course that has nothing to do with global warming! no no no.
Bruce Mowbray: wow. in Germany.
Aphrodite Macbain: can we blame this on global warming too?
Alfred Kelberry: Bruce, do you chase tornadoes? :)
Bruce Mowbray: Nor does denial of global warming have anything to do with global warming!
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Wol Euler: right! Keep on burning fossil fuels!
Bruce Mowbray: I do NOT chase tornadoes, Al. -- I RUN from them!
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, k144.
Alfred Kelberry: "burn, burn burn... the ring of fire..." :)
k144 Winkler: hi
Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
Wol Euler: hello k144, welcome
Lugh Fehr: fossil fuels make the air dirty but have little to do whit the temperature I think
Wol Euler: exactly :)
Lugh Fehr: hellow k144
Alfred Kelberry: oh, cute name - k144
k144 Winkler: thx
Bruce Mowbray: Have you been to the fountain before today, k144? If not, I need to ask your permission to post what you say in chat on our wiki (website).
Alfred Kelberry: stands for something particular?
Lugh Fehr: tell the strangeness of temperature change to people getting out of the ice age
Alfred Kelberry: btw, it's so entertaining to read about numbers on wikipedia :)
Alfred Kelberry: poof

  (k144 disappears)

Wol Euler: well, that solves that issue.
Lugh Fehr: zon fell asleep ohh so cute
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm. She declined my notecard. So, not interested. np.
Aphrodite Macbain: just passing through I guess
Allan Whiteberry: Time for me to go. Bye for now
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Allan.
Wol Euler: bye Allan, take care
Aphrodite Macbain: By Allan
Lugh Fehr: bye Allan hehe groovy tilt on your head
Bruce Mowbray: Hope we'll see you again before six months . . . (!)

--BELL—

Bruce Mowbray: Allan said he'd not been here for 6 months.
Alfred Kelberry: *goes to get tea*
Alfred Kelberry: *nom*
Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks to bed, night
Wol Euler: bye yaku, sleep well
Alfred Kelberry: *hears Zon snoring*
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off into the blue day. Bye! all and thank you
Lugh Fehr: night yakuza
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, Aph.
Wol Euler: bye aphro
Bruce Mowbray: I also need to go -- time for supper.
Wol Euler: bye Bruce
Lugh Fehr: bye Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: bon appetit :)
Bruce Mowbray: May all be well and happy - and safe.
Bruce Mowbray: (from lightning).
Wol Euler: :)
Lugh Fehr: bon appetit
Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
Wol Euler pats the cushion beside her
Alfred Kelberry: it'd be nice to have rain here
Alfred Kelberry: with sound
Wol Euler: the old tea house had a weather system
Wol Euler: it could rain there, it was very nice
Alfred Kelberry: oh, how nice
Wol Euler: yeah, I liked it
Alfred Kelberry: can Storm make it here?
Wol Euler: probably
Lugh Fehr: in the future we would have a weather system in our house.  hehe
Alfred Kelberry: *watches spirited away*
Alfred Kelberry: these Japanese are creative dudes
Lugh Fehr: well i off for some tea and meditation.  hehe the monkey mind was very authoritarianish today hehhe
Alfred Kelberry: bye, Lugh
Lugh Fehr: gn people
Wol Euler: bye Lugh
Lugh Fehr: and oh yeah sleep afterwards
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Wol Euler: my dears, I think I will move on too.
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care, be happy.
Bertram Jacobus: bye Wol ...
Alfred Kelberry: auf :)
Bertram Jacobus: ty and same same plz :-)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, I’ll go back to anime
Alfred Kelberry: bye, berty :)
Bertram Jacobus: oki - then I’ll leave too ...
Bertram Jacobus: enjoy Alf ! :-)
Alfred Kelberry: thanks :)