2010.11.12 07:00 - I don't know why... nobody told you

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal who was joined by Riddle, Zen, Bruce, Druth, Lugh, Cary, Alfred, Crusty, and Bleu. A rather fascinating session with some overspilling of seen and hidden boundaries...

Riddle Sideways: Ganesh might be a cousin

Sharry Ragu: eesh.. 1am.. I am in need of sleep.. g'night all :))
Crusty Goldshark: Quite intrigued by the fish I had a pet fish that swam through the air in RL
Crusty Goldshark: RL as a dream that is . . .
Crusty Goldshark: bye sharry
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cala :) Welcome
Eliza Madrigal: Have you been to PlayasBeing before? You're most welcome to join us
Eliza Madrigal: We've just finished up a special session on "The Magic of Time"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
cala Lacrima: thanks
Crusty Goldshark: Yes as a time traveller I was early for that
Crusty Goldshark: tmxxine.com is my site
Eliza Madrigal: I really love that tangible analogy you gave Riddle...
Baeric Constantine: by e by e all...
Crusty Goldshark: ganesh has gone . . .
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Baeric
Crusty Goldshark: bye
Eliza Madrigal: 'nothing needed' really IS that sense of letting go...
Eliza Madrigal: somehow my soundtrack is leonard cohen at the moment... ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: 'nothing left to do..."
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Hokon
Eliza Madrigal: Cala, I need to let you know that we record our sessions and place them on a wiki... do you mind being included in that?
Eliza Madrigal: If not, I can edit no worries
cala Lacrima: yes ,i know
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lugh
Lugh Fehr: hellozzz
Bleu Oleander: hi Lugh
Riddle Sideways: back, had to get coffee
Crusty Goldshark: hi Lugh
Bruce Mowbray: wow, Lugh!
Eliza Madrigal: yes, always impressive Lugh!

Eliza Madrigal: hehe Riddle...I wonder why you are able to sit on the cushion while other tinies have issues
Riddle Sideways: was just having lots of issues trying to sit
Zen Arado: missed a lot of the meting because someone phoned :(
Lugh Fehr: hehee tnx :) im fier baba
Eliza Madrigal: that line could be said in a meditation place I guess too... hah
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thought you were going Hokon, wb :)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe naw
Hokon Cazalet: just needed to fly for a minute :Þ
Lugh Fehr: so what you guys been talkin about?
Bruce Mowbray: many levels to the discussion. . .
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Lugh Fehr: hihi

Eliza Madrigal: Bleu, what a wonderful question about our being caught by the illusions or 'ideas' of liberation..
Bruce Mowbray: meaning, letting go, sharing Being with everything, resistance, . . .
Lugh Fehr: :)
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
Bruce Mowbray agrees that getting caught in some notion of Liberation is a pitfall.
Bleu Oleander: yes, caught in our illusions of our ideas and words
Crusty Goldshark: It seems you can be trapped in mind states but freedom is not a mind state so you enter and leave at will
Lugh Fehr: the buddhist have a sying antidot even the antidot :P
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: lojong teaching

Zen Arado: I am caught in knowing

Eliza Madrigal: words words words!
Crusty Goldshark: liberation is not a trap - we are
Bruce Mowbray: wowow -- really good point, Zen.
Zen Arado: yes yes yes
Bruce Mowbray: "caught in knowing."
Eliza Madrigal: 'the hooks are all ours'
Crusty Goldshark: if you know something that is ignorance
Bleu Oleander: freedom is a mind state?
Eliza Madrigal: well, in TSK terms there is knowing and there is Knowing

Lugh Fehr: moor of a self state id say

--BELL--

Crusty Goldshark: No mind states are entrapment form thinking and processing - liberation does not have the quality of being
Crusty Goldshark: words allude to absolutes but are trapped by the expression and interpretation
Crusty Goldshark: what then can we communicate devoid of ignorance?
Zen Arado: only pointers?
Lugh Fehr: comunication in the knowing that the symbol (the word ) is a represantaion of realaty and not realaty
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Crusty Goldshark: :)
Bruce Mowbray: so, maps pointing to maps pointing to maps -- and no "territory" anywhere?
Zen Arado: that's what they point to I guess

Crusty Goldshark: In many ways I feel the entrapment is the liberation and the sense of freedom is the clinging . . . you probably mentioned this . . .

Bruce Mowbray suspects that the opposite of every great truth is also true.
Crusty Goldshark: in a sense we move between opposites - yin and yang of understanding
Bruce Mowbray: ;-) indeed.
Zen Arado: or dispense with dualities altogether
Crusty Goldshark: I would suggest the Real Truth does not have an opposite . . .
Crusty Goldshark: . . . so in a sense it can not be expressed in the particular
Zen Arado: suspect I am merely regurgitating things I read in books

Eliza Madrigal: Is it possible, in this context we find ourselves in together, to dispense with the dualities and just 'play'?
Crusty Goldshark: Just play is good ;)
Lugh Fehr: well i think your right crusty the reson for the illution is so the truth can know itself you cant know that is up if you never saw down but still not anopposit but a state
Zen Arado: suspect 'real truth' dosn't exist
Hokon Cazalet: is that a real truth itself zen?
Bleu Oleander: what is "real truth"?
Zen Arado: no :)
Eliza Madrigal: do we need to know the 'other' is on the same page before we can let ourselves submerge, go?
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Crusty Goldshark: Does the Truth Know itself? I don't know what it does - I only know what manifests or reveals through me and that is normally quite shallow
Bruce Mowbray wonders how a "real truth" could be recognized. . .
Zen Arado: it's like all those zen koans ' what is the nature of ultimate reality?'
Bleu Oleander: and by whom?

Hokon Cazalet: well i think youd have to define what truth is, to know what an authentic truth was
Zen Arado: and the zen master usually gives a rude answer
Crusty Goldshark: Bruce I do not think it is completely recognized - rather it is attuned or resonated with - like enetering a state of Grace or awareness
Lugh Fehr: no the trught doesnt know anything it is silent their is notting to know up their but down here is the same as up their so it knows evrything down here but notting up their hihihi i guess
Zen Arado: because it is indefinable
Eliza Madrigal: can we let ourselves be surprised....
Crusty Goldshark: Eliza - we can :)
Zen Arado: we don't like surprises :)
Hokon Cazalet: i do :Þ
Bleu Oleander: loves surprises
Zen Arado: want things neat and orderly
Crusty Goldshark: I do ;)
Zen Arado: ok ...depends
Crusty Goldshark: I like surprizes
Bruce Mowbray: We decide for ourselves whether they are surprises or interruptions or irritations.
Eliza Madrigal: we do seem to resist them...
Eliza Madrigal: yes

druth Vlodovic: safe suprises
Eliza Madrigal: !
Zen Arado: nice sirprises

Hokon Cazalet: i do see what your saying though Zen, we normally do want order, a stable ground to be beneath us; i think why i like suprises is, a part of me wants to be creative, leap forth from my stable ground
Eliza Madrigal: we say we want surprises but when they are available we resist... such a game
Crusty Goldshark: Yes Bruce - you may be right - again it is the interpretive or discursive mind that interferes with the process of spontaniety
Hokon Cazalet: yup eliza
Lugh Fehr: whats a better serprise than discovering you're god hehee
druth Vlodovic: the fearful mind, that wants stability for the purpose of survival
Hokon Cazalet: normally we want trivial suprises, ones that wont upset the ground beneath us
Zen Arado: 'surprised by joy'

Eliza Madrigal: yes :) the ground we think is beneath us anyway...
Hokon Cazalet: so i would say overall, Zen (the host here) is right, we do want order
Hokon Cazalet: hehe eliza
Hokon Cazalet: yup
Eliza Madrigal: :) that would be scary druth... would imply responsibility for something... (everything?)
Eliza Madrigal: oh lugh rather...

Eliza Madrigal: lines mixing :) no boundaries...
Lugh Fehr: what responsability does god have if evrything is god and he created it himself becouse he loves pain and loves forgetting he is god
Zen Arado: non duality teachers talk about no boundaries a lot
Eliza Madrigal: anytime you can't
druth Vlodovic: he is responsible for his own happiness and thus ours
Hokon Cazalet: yup Zen
Eliza Madrigal: pin down other it seems there is a responsibility...
Lugh Fehr: he is you

--BELL--

Lugh Fehr: whit what material could he build evrything if ll their was is god? whit god himself id sayf
Bruce Mowbray knows NOTHING about "god" but has the notion that god's first responsibility would be to Be.
Bleu Oleander: bye for now .... take care everyone :)

(crusty's mic was open and he seemed to be trying to play something for us but it wasn't clear)

Eliza Madrigal: prob interesting crusty but too much feedback...
Lugh Fehr: bye blue nice avv
Zen Arado: your mic is open Crusty
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Bleu. . . You're looking great today!
Eliza Madrigal: i am you are he is she is... then what? :)
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Bleu Oleander: ty Lugh
Lugh Fehr: notting then she and him and it and that and the other is all made from nottingness or god or what ever you call him
Lugh Fehr: nottingness = no law to creat + no law to hold off creation
Lugh Fehr: so we are and we are not
Lugh Fehr: thats why its an illution

Hokon Cazalet: maybe there is God and a primal material to make into things, both co-exist (primal Form-God, primal material-potential)
Lugh Fehr: but what are those two made from?
Hokon Cazalet: maybe they have no cause

Crusty Goldshark: off to meditate bye guys - thanks for tips
Hokon Cazalet: which then begs a question, what if causality isnt a universal rule
Lugh Fehr: bye crust enjoyy
Hokon Cazalet: bye crusty =)
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Crusty, bye for now
Hokon Cazalet: lol santa hat, i need to wear mine soon
Zen Arado: bye Crusty

Bruce Mowbray: sometimes Being seems "light" (not heavy); sometimes Being feels heavy. . . unbearably heavy. My fantasy of "God" is that It would be almost unbearably light.
Hokon Cazalet: i could see that bruce
Bruce Mowbray: thanks -- It would be like we'd always feel we had to "add" something to "God" because Its lightness was "not enough."
Hokon Cazalet: oh =)
Lugh Fehr: hhee :)
druth Vlodovic: perhaps god has no meaning, so we try to add meaning to it
Hokon Cazalet: ive done that alot bruce, in my thoughts, when i was a theist (or atheist, i guess for a long time ive done that)
Bruce Mowbray: Some might even conceive of "sin" as being our obsession with adding more and more to "God."
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lugh Fehr: i agree :P
Eliza Madrigal: giving ourselves something to do while we avoid Being

Zen Arado: do we need to be theist or atheist?

Riddle Sideways: :)
Hokon Cazalet: you might like Plotinus' view on "God" as the One or Monad; just a simple unity, nothing more
Bruce Mowbray: yes, exactly so, Eliza.
Bruce Mowbray: The "apophatic" method is to drop more and more until there is nothing left to drop. . . (Thomas Merton was an example.)
Zen Arado: elaborate Bruce ?
Hokon Cazalet: ohhh
Bruce Mowbray: I think that's what enamored Merton of the Eastern traditions.
Hokon Cazalet: i remember hearing about that method from a friend
Bruce Mowbray: apophatic, yes.

Zen Arado: does 'God' become less and less a 'person'?

Hokon Cazalet: a method for "negative" theology, go about the nature of God by figuring out what god isnt
Zen Arado: some say God is our projection
Bruce Mowbray: yes, God becomes not only less and less of a "person" but also less and less of ANY of our notions, philosophies, likes/dislikes, etc.
Eliza Madrigal: "You know you've created a god in your own image when he hates all the same people you do" Ann Lamott
Zen Arado: we think we know so much with our puny minds
Zen Arado: :)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alf :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Lugh Fehr: hey alf
Bruce Mowbray: Welcome, Alf.
Zen Arado: Hi Alf :)

druth Vlodovic: more frightening is when you create a god who dislikes you as well

Lugh Fehr: well god is only a thougth so he does not exist in a sense
Hokon Cazalet: yeah id agree druth =(
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: steamy eliza :)
Bruce Mowbray: In Thos. Merton's case, his love for God because ever greater as his notions of God became ever less.

Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm an envelope glue loosener Alf... figured it out
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Don't get too close, Alf.
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: I'll unravel you
Bruce Mowbray: your glues might get loosened!
Alfred Kelberry: yes, may get saggy :)
Zen Arado: you'll become unstuck
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ha!
Riddle Sideways: same glue as used in cardboard boxes?
Hokon Cazalet: lol alf
Eliza Madrigal: 'Arise and unbuild it again"
Alfred Kelberry: creative, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: the fountain does this... every fifteen minutes... gets misty and loosens our attachments....

Zen Arado: funny some see steam and others see fog and ice

--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: *walks a bit*
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Hokon Cazalet: i wanna get a tiny av at some point
Lugh Fehr: the pond changes for you guys its always the same for me hihihi ....stiupid sl!! :(
Zen Arado: Alf inspects the troops :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
Bruce Mowbray thinks that Alf is on a "walk-about."
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: funny picture :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, really Lugh? :(
Lugh Fehr: yup hehhe :D
Alfred Kelberry: yes... steam or fog, walk or inspection :)
Eliza Madrigal: Are you able to hear the bell and see the green text at least?
Alfred Kelberry: lugh, well, it flows :)
Eliza Madrigal: wouldn't want you to miss the cue when we jump into the openness
Lugh Fehr: nope :S
Alfred Kelberry: or ripples?
Lugh Fehr: nonna nonna happins
Zen Arado: jump into being
Hokon Cazalet jumps
Zen Arado: a leap of faith
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh nooes!!!
Lugh Fehr: omg its gone
Hokon Cazalet however misses, and falls into non-Being

Alfred Kelberry: the fountain is gone!
Alfred Kelberry: oh...
Lugh Fehr: hehhee
Eliza Madrigal: okay... who is the wise guy...
Eliza Madrigal: or elephant?
Hokon Cazalet: lol
Bruce Mowbray: I'll leap into ANYTHING - once.
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lugh Fehr: cool we got a megition in the house
Riddle Sideways: lol
Alfred Kelberry: guardians secret :)
Zen Arado: look before you leap....
Riddle Sideways: not all is what it seems
Hokon Cazalet: !
Zen Arado: that's my problem summarized..

Bruce Mowbray: Not to get serious all of a sudden, but one of my "practices" is to become utterly and completely receptive - - - allowing into myself everything. . . (and this is my "notion" of what Equanimity is.)
Eliza Madrigal: "look before you leap" Zen?
Zen Arado: old saying?
Alfred Kelberry: elzia, what if there's no water in a pool? :)
Zen Arado: be cautious I believ it means
Lugh Fehr: cool bruce what practise?
Eliza Madrigal: be water alf?
Eliza Madrigal: Bruce, that's *wonderful*

Alfred Kelberry: bruce, a sponge mode?
Zen Arado: it's being open Bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
Zen Arado: to me
Hokon Cazalet: bye yakuzza
Eliza Madrigal: 'the great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences'... Is that the quote, Zen?
Bruce Mowbray: No realy name for the practice - - only an exploration of sorts. . . Becoming completely receptive. . . and then stay aware of what happens.
Zen Arado: bye Yaku
Alfred Kelberry: eliza, be catious - what zen said :)
Lugh Fehr: bye yaku
Lugh Fehr: cool bruce very nice
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, interesting
Bruce Mowbray: "sponge mode -- I love it!
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Riddle Sideways: bye all... must go
Hokon Cazalet: bye riddle =)
Bruce Mowbray: Sitting as a sponge. . .
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Riddle, thanks :)
Lugh Fehr: bye riddle
Zen Arado: if you drop everything receptiveness follows automatically?
Bruce Mowbray: Bye Hokon and all who are leaving.
Zen Arado: byr Riddle
Hokon Cazalet: oh im not going
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, is there a point when you just can't take more in anymore?
Bruce Mowbray: Enjoy your weekend!
Eliza Madrigal: causes me to think of devil's snare again... in the harry potter books... 'falling through'
Bruce Mowbray: I've not reached that point yet, Al.
Alfred Kelberry: oh, cute elephant left
Zen Arado: saturated sponge
Bruce Mowbray: oh - sorry Hokon!
Alfred Kelberry: bruce, maybe we're little black holes :)
Hokon Cazalet: hehe its ok
Zen Arado: Spongebob
Eliza Madrigal: lugh has shape shifted again... the mist is getting to you
Bruce Mowbray: the sponge takes in other sponges -- bigger ones than itself -- and so is never saturated.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: Pema Chodron says something like that
Eliza Madrigal: beyond saturation
Zen Arado: the more you open the more capacity you have
Zen Arado: it's limitless
Alfred Kelberry: zen, i like it
Alfred Kelberry: interaction is what increase our capacity
Zen Arado: but we limit it with our pettiness
Eliza Madrigal: we increase one another's capacities... always interesting when an actor or speaker discusses the role of the audience in a talk or performance....
Zen Arado: our fear
Bruce Mowbray: Einstein says the same -- The larger you draw the circle -- the larger its circumference, then the edges of what we do not know increase. . . We are always learning that there is more to learn -- MORE and MORE to learn.
Zen Arado: sorry pettiness is the wrong word

Zen Arado: we have to have compassion for our own limitations too

Bruce Mowbray suddenly realizes that he expects spiritual methods to be a bit off the ground -- and wonders why that might be.
druth Vlodovic: some of our limitations are imaginary
Eliza Madrigal: sense of groundlessness Bruce?
Alfred Kelberry: bruce?
Zen Arado: 'bit off the ground'?
Zen Arado: groundless fears ?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: sorry
Alfred Kelberry: so many assumptions :)
Bruce Mowbray: I mean -- . . . . something about "transcendence" perhaps. Don't know. Need to become more receptive to my own notions of that.
Eliza Madrigal: interesting
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: 'beyond' can be quite grounded...
Hokon Cazalet: id agree eliza
Alfred Kelberry: we're grounded in our bodies
Hokon Cazalet: =)
Zen Arado: opening the layers
druth Vlodovic: the ground is a strong, solid, place of safety, strength, changelessness
Zen Arado: and non existent

Bruce Mowbray recalls the saying, "Before studying Zen, the mountain is a mountain. And after studying Zen, the mountain is a mountain. . . but a little off the ground."

Eliza Madrigal: 'beyond' can be accepting everything completely as ground

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :)Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: druth, maybe the more solid an object the less you can see change in it?
Zen Arado: gate gate parasamgate....
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lugh Fehr: hehe what?
Alfred Kelberry: *smiles at bruce quote*
Lugh Fehr: gate gate para what what that means?
Zen Arado: from heart sutra
Eliza Madrigal: "beyond beyond..."
Alfred Kelberry: *looks at the bell*
Eliza Madrigal: bell looks back
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles

Bruce Mowbray: agrees completely with Eliza that "beyond" is total acceptance (which is what I meant earlier by "totally receptive.")

Hokon Cazalet: hehe eiza
druth Vlodovic: bell weeps gently

druth Vlodovic: I've mentioned this before, my first earthquake was a sort of changing experience

Alfred Kelberry: *tickles eliza*
Hokon Cazalet: oh yeah, was for me also
Hokon Cazalet: @ druth
druth Vlodovic: what if "solid" isn't

Bruce Mowbray: Going beyond. Going beyond beyond. Hail the goer.
Zen Arado: while Eliza's bell gently weeps ...
Eliza Madrigal: heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: finally, we're playing :)

druth Vlodovic: almost like a faith thing, when I didn't know I'd had faith in it to begin with

Hokon Cazalet: yup druth
Eliza Madrigal: then we see we've been playing all along
Bruce Mowbray listens to druth for shaking of foundations experience.
Lugh Fehr: every heard the alchemycal stages bruce your going from the seeker to the seer
Zen Arado: yes Druth listens
Eliza Madrigal: oh wow Druth, yes
Hokon Cazalet: there's alot we have faith in, and not even know it, i like the use of an earthquake for that, cuz what could we not have faith in more than the ground we walk on
Bruce Mowbray: yes, I've heard it explained through alchemy, Lugh.
Eliza Madrigal: hidden assumptions...
Bruce Mowbray: a fine metaphor, though a bit "outdated" perhaps for modern minds.
Lugh Fehr: alchemy?
Bruce Mowbray: transformation from "baser" into "finer" substance. . .
Eliza Madrigal: I like the alchemy metaphor... interesting that scientists are back to talking about 'aether' too
Zen Arado: the refiner's fire that purifies
Lugh Fehr: nah its all in the way you put it what about merging into one or merging into notting ness i guess their a bit moor outlandish how they are heard
Lugh Fehr: me thincks
Lugh Fehr: anyways

druth Vlodovic: I wonder if it wuld be possible to be a seer, and think you are at the same time, wouldn't the assumption of wisdom block it?
Eliza Madrigal: interesting question druth...
Lugh Fehr: the mind can never stop like the blood it keeps flowing
Lugh Fehr: better circulation dough hehehe
Zen Arado: not sure exactly what a seer is
Bruce Mowbray: it would seem so, druth. . . Even Jesus said, "Of myself I do NOTHING."
Hokon Cazalet: yeah i was gonna ask what it was myself zen
Eliza Madrigal: my feeling is that there is a subtle trap in defining not knowing as not thinking tho...
Zen Arado: an enlightened person
Zen Arado: ?
Hokon Cazalet: yeah id agree eliza
Hokon Cazalet: theres alot of 'knowledge' that is non-conceptual imo

Lugh Fehr: a seer is some who goes beyond the image of the buddha christ or a hindu god or a notion and actually peeks into the 'real' thing

Hokon Cazalet: and alot of concepts that arent knowledge
Eliza Madrigal: direct
Zen Arado: didn't Jesus say 'I am that I am' ?
Hokon Cazalet: oh ok, a seer has a direct intuition, noesis, theosis etc
Eliza Madrigal: no separation....
Lugh Fehr: he is not a devoty in those times becouse their is no room for devoition and if he becoumse a devotee he looses it
Bruce Mowbray: ... but if you're a sponge that takes in both conceptual and non-conceptual, both knowledge and non-knowledge. . .
Eliza Madrigal: sad that religions take communion and make it "i am so you are not'
Bruce Mowbray: you miss nothing. lack nothing. nothing needed.
Zen Arado: able to just play with concepts?
Lugh Fehr: yup
Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Bruce

Lugh Fehr: if you whant it it will leave you if you dont whant it it will also leave you
Zen Arado: if you seek it it will elude you....
Lugh Fehr: the only thing is be aware they say anyways

Eliza Madrigal: Seeing isn't worried about anything getting in the way of seeing...
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Alfred Kelberry: neat
Zen Arado: yes
Hokon Cazalet finds it interesting this is all done according to the visual sense, sight . . .
Eliza Madrigal: hm, how'd we get back to wu wei
Zen Arado: did we?
Eliza Madrigal: hehe well I did
Zen Arado: ah yes we did I guess
Eliza Madrigal: not doing seeing
Bruce Mowbray: I did also, Eliza.
Alfred Kelberry: we did how?
Zen Arado: effortless doing
Alfred Kelberry: ah, not doing
Hokon Cazalet: what is 'wu wei'
Eliza Madrigal: 'he doeth the works'
Bruce Mowbray: no need to ppush the river.
Bruce Mowbray: or to push the river ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to be sponging up some lunch.
Alfred Kelberry: stillness is not easy
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Bruce Mowbray: May all have a happy weekend.
Eliza Madrigal: You too Bruce
Hokon Cazalet: bye bruce
Zen Arado: my dinner won't make itself :(
Hokon Cazalet: lol zen
Alfred Kelberry: bye, bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Zen... maybe it will surprise you
Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: ... get into a flow and 'there it is'
Lugh Fehr: bye bruce
Hokon Cazalet: most things dont wanna be dinner so :Þ
Zen Arado: bye and thanks for interesting discussion
Eliza Madrigal waves appreciatively
Eliza Madrigal: thank you!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye
Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
Eliza Madrigal: meep :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Hokon Cazalet: eep! o.O
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lugh Fehr: hihihi

Eliza Madrigal: >whew<

Alfred Kelberry: i liked bruce's quote about mountains
Eliza Madrigal: Cala, may I ask what you think of our group so far?
Alfred Kelberry: *perks his antennas*
Eliza Madrigal: :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: *sees 35*
Lugh Fehr: 35?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, suppose cala isn't here :) wonders about 35...
Alfred Kelberry: on your back, lugh
Eliza Madrigal: also realizes she was quoting Stim without realizing that
Lugh Fehr: it ommmm hihihi
Eliza Madrigal: regarding Seeing...
Lugh Fehr: :P
Eliza Madrigal: there is a 35 on Lugh's back?
Lugh Fehr: i gueesed right thats why i asked hihihi
Eliza Madrigal: magic number?
Lugh Fehr: its how they write it in ingia
Lugh Fehr: in sanscrit
Lugh Fehr: om
Lugh Fehr: aum
Lugh Fehr: hiihi
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Hokon Cazalet: oh lol it does look like 35
Lugh Fehr: i got it for free if you whant one go at goa beach
Hokon Cazalet: i never noticed that of th Om symbol

Eliza Madrigal: I think I will resist naming the log 'OM looks like 35"

Lugh Fehr: verynice place also
Hokon Cazalet: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: goa seems so labeled, almost not real
Lugh Fehr: i heared it has turned a bit comercial
Alfred Kelberry: yea... A BIT :)
Lugh Fehr: but how comertial could a place be in the middle of shit on floor land

Eliza Madrigal: Thank you for the morning conversation and bursts of play
Lugh Fehr: i never been but im gooing :P i hope
Alfred Kelberry: oh, eliza is leaving :/
Lugh Fehr: bye eliza cyazz
druth Vlodovic: bye eliza, thanks for hosting
Eliza Madrigal: Bye guys , thanks much!
Alfred Kelberry: oh! i know!
Lugh Fehr: you been alf?