The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Korel Laloix: Heya
Yakuzza Lethecus: still on the voice floor for 10 minutes
Korel Laloix: At work so no sound.... no worries
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt
Bleu Oleander: hi Qt
Qt Core: Hi all
Bleu Oleander: so ends our voice session?
Yakuzza Lethecus: So the issue of change and and intentional shift with the problem of having a negative role for this specific shift is an issue for me.
Qt Core: subtle advertising bleu ;-)
Bleu Oleander: oh you noticed - hehe :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: How to step out of a negative role, like being not good in mathematics or programming and just ,,play" with these subjects or other since it´s just an example.
Yakuzza Lethecus: manbo!
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: qt, do you have main interests concerning astronomy ?
Qt Core: almost everything but observing, i have no telescope
Qt Core: for the pretty pics the hubble is enough for me ;-)
Qt Core: i may become (if i'm not yet) an eclipse hunter as they give me an excuse to travel, something i know is a nice thing but that my usual lazyness stop me from doing more
Qt Core: had you something more specific in mid with your ouestion ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello chi
Bleu Oleander: hi Chi
Chi Aho: Hello, Yaku
Chi Aho: Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: it was generally about aspects that might inhibit change
Qt Core: hi Chi
Chi Aho: hi, Qt
Qt Core: lazynes is good at that
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i think it kind of depends on the form of ,,lazyness" i think
--BELL--
Qt Core: yes, i know the strange lazynes for the future that makes you work hard in the present ;-)
Bleu Oleander: hi little Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i sometimes wonder how useful lazyness is and if it´s not something to harm the ,,lazy" person himself
Wol Euler: hello big bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Chi Aho: There was a question posed earlier which I missed. Mind repeating it?
Qt Core: hi wol
Wol Euler: hello yaku, chi, qt
Chi Aho: hi Wol
Wol Euler: hello agatha
Yakuzza Lethecus: So the issue of change and and intentional shift with the problem of having a negative role for this specific shift is an issue for me. [13:03] Qt Core: subtle advertising bleu ;-) [13:03] Bleu (bleu.oleander): oh you noticed - hehe :) [13:04] Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): How to step out of a negative role, like being not good in mathematics or programming and just ,,play" with these subjects or other since it´s just an example.
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Bleu Oleander: hi Agatha
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga, wol
Qt Core: hi agatha
Chi Aho: hello, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth waves
Agatha Macbeth: Nice balls Bleu
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Chi Aho: I stepped out of a role as a salesman once, and never looked backwards; never played with the role
Qt Core: i wonder if i have some lag or if Yaku is writing a novel ;-)
Bleu Oleander: was wondering the same
Wol Euler: your lag :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i deleted a lot and now wondered if it was good to break the silence or not
Wol Euler: go for it :)
Agatha Macbeth: What's he going for?
Bleu Oleander: big diretive from such a little creature
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: breaking the silence.
Agatha Macbeth: Lasttime I went for it, it had gone
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Agatha Macbeth: stop
Bleu Oleander: manbo!
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx aga, it reduced my stuckness around 15 percent :)
Bleu Oleander: so cute little Wol
Wol Euler beams
Agatha Macbeth: But where are her maracas?
Bleu Oleander: too big to carry
Wol Euler: can't wear them, all my attachment points are taken by the av
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: it's a common problem with furry avs
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, i could imagine that even the tiny maracas are to big for ,,ultra tiny furry"
Wol Euler: but my *real* problem is that I have no milk for tea, and the stores closed nearly five hours ago, and I really don'T feel like walking down to the gas station
Agatha Macbeth: At that size it would take forever
Bleu Oleander: just a drop of milk would do
Wol Euler: :)
Bleu Oleander: stop
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://i.imgur.com/xpwyq.jpg
Agatha Macbeth: I've got some of those but can't remember what the're called
Yakuzza Lethecus: also something more silly, a comparison of dogs and cats :P
Bleu Oleander: did I miss a segway?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zen
Bleu Oleander: segue (looked funny)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Wol Euler: that one rolled by us
Wol Euler: hello zen
Qt Core: hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Chi Aho: hi, Zen
Chi Aho has Segways, parachutes, lollipops, paddles, motor cycles and skee jetpacks for free
Bleu Oleander: what does it feel like to be a "little Wol" Wol?
Wol Euler: very very tiny :)
Wol Euler: not as enjoyable as the furry, somehow.
Agatha Macbeth: It is a furry tho
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Qt Core: i wonder if your pov is chanched too (or if you can change it to simulate being so tiny)
Wol Euler: but I meant my catelope
Qt Core: changed
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, pussy with antlers
Wol Euler: yes, there is a low-level camera system
Wol Euler: so you walk around people's knees
Qt Core: that would make the feeling change i think
Wol Euler: I think the reason it's not as much fun, is that it isn't mine.
Wol Euler: this av can't wear clothes or have other attachments
Wol Euler: no way to personalize it
Wol Euler: and the catelope also wasn'T much fun when she was "just" a furry cat
Chi Aho: Hi, buxar
Qt Core: heartless creators, they should have an entire collection of interchangeable part/clothes... many more money too!
Wol Euler: I'm groping towards saying that embodiment is related to the ability to change your appearance, to make it *yours*
Bleu Oleander: so you don't feel embodied?
Wol Euler: not really, no
Bleu Oleander: interesting
Wol Euler: whereas human-wol and catelope are definitely my flesh
Bleu Oleander: yes, somehow you seem to big to be in such a small creature
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Big heart mostly :)
Wol Euler: it's funny that all of my avs are smaller than average, in all of my alts
Wol Euler: funny because I am very tall in RL
Zen Arado: most avs are too big
Bleu Oleander: secret desire to be small?
Zen Arado: according to what it says on #Appearance
Wol Euler: not so secret, bleu :) I felt stared at all my life
Bleu Oleander: how tall are you?
Wol Euler: I'm not freakishly huge, just oversensitive
Wol Euler: 188, 6'2"
Wol Euler: but thin with it.
Agatha Macbeth: 'Ow tall you be ;P
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Better than fat
Bleu Oleander: 6'2" doesn't seem so tall these days
Wol Euler: well ... fat can be a kind of a mask, actually, it can be a way to hide in plain view
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wol Euler: so I'm told
Agatha Macbeth ponders
Bleu Oleander: probably depends on how fat
Wol Euler: yep
Qt Core: (i'm whistling walking around trying not to be noticed)
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, people define the term differently
Bleu Oleander: that relative thingy
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: one of my sister's friends at the yoga class described herself as "fat", meaning "thicker than Paris Hilton". That's no sane standard
Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV
Zen Arado: 6' 2"" and lean sounds great to me
Qt Core: YKGMV ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Many would definitely settle for it
Wol Euler ponders
Agatha Macbeth: YHWH?
Wol Euler: that one I know
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wol Euler: qt?
Qt Core: kg instead of miles
Wol Euler: ah :) heheheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Ohhhh
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Wol Euler: OITMACTTA
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's me, but I swear I just saw a giant penis fly past
Wol Euler: must be a flashback to your fever
Zen Arado: penis envy?
Qt Core: it was there, dancing
buxar Shamen: hellow :)
Wol Euler: hello buxar
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bux
Bleu Oleander: stranger things have flown by
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello buxar
Zen Arado: Hi Buxar
Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well...
Qt Core: hi Buxar
Wol Euler: yeah, he's a regular
Bleu Oleander: hi Buxar
buxar Shamen: i coundlnt use my lugh av ;(
Agatha Macbeth: How come?
buxar Shamen: i dont know tp dont werk and i coulndt moove
Agatha Macbeth: Odd
Wol Euler: log in as Lugh and IM me, we'll sort it out
buxar Shamen: i thinck its karma i lied to someone abpout the other av to run away from work hehe now realy broken hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Ooops
Agatha Macbeth: Here comes a leaping panther
Wol Euler: hello LP
Bleu Oleander: that karma ..... get's you every time :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren
buxar Shamen: nahh ill just be a transie tonoght hmm never fancied my self in womens clotes but i just could get used to it
Zen Arado: Hi Darren
Bleu Oleander: hi darren
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Daz
Qt Core: hi Darren
Chi Aho: hi, darren
Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
buxar Shamen: hellow derren :)
Darren Islar: Wol, that is the tiniest avatar I ever saw :)
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: a micro-furry
Agatha Macbeth: A little cutie
Wol Euler beams
Darren Islar: really cute :)
Bleu Oleander: mini-wol
Agatha Macbeth: Beam me up furry
buxar Shamen: hehehe wol in your pocet buy all new :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just ned to be careful not to step on her
Agatha Macbeth: need
Wol Euler: indeed
Darren Islar: I can put you in my pocket in my blouse, and show you the world
Darren Islar: that is, as I see it :)
Wol Euler: :)
buxar Shamen: be carful not to fall in the pond hehe
Wol Euler: that would be great, actually
Zen Arado: like a wallaby
Darren Islar: yes, and havign company on the way :)
Zen Arado: in a pouch
Darren Islar: right
Zen Arado: marsupial
buxar Shamen: did you have any topic tonight?
Wol Euler: size
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno, did we?
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Bleu Oleander: c u all later :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
buxar Shamen: size does matter yes :P
Wol Euler: bye bleui
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
buxar Shamen: bye bleu
Agatha Macbeth: So I hear
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu
Darren Islar: bye Bleu
Darren Islar: size?
Wol Euler: of RL or of SL avatar
Chi Aho: as in 5'11" 210 lbs
Wol Euler nods.
Yakuzza Lethecus slips out of SL under his blanket, good night everyone
Wol Euler: 'night yaku, sleep well
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Yaku
Chi Aho: goodnight, YAKU
Zen Arado: nite Yaku
Darren Islar raises his eyebrows....
buxar Shamen: to night i was a my sisters gay very exentric energetic friend and made me tinck of how many diversity of people live on the planet soo different and in the same nabiorhood imagin the world
buxar Shamen: gn yakuu
Qt Core: 'night yaku
buxar Shamen: house*
Chi Aho: and yet this diversity divides us, whereas it shouldn't; it should be celebrated
Wol Euler: agreed
Zen Arado: yes
buxar Shamen: yes very much so like the albarosie song :)
Zen Arado: it would be boring otherwise
buxar Shamen: dont be afraid of diversity theirs no omplection
Agatha Macbeth: Alba who?
buxar Shamen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj51w5PFRTM
Chi Aho: People seem to be good though at finding some difference between themselves and others and then drawing a line of some kind.
Chi Aho: as with age
Zen Arado: was going to say
Zen Arado: but don't we all discriminate that way?
Zen Arado: choose friends the same age etc?
buxar Shamen: i lost a good friend in sl becouse we told eachother our age she was freaked out she had kids as old as me and that spoiled our relastionship i still miss her sometime
Wol Euler: god no
Wol Euler: (to zen)
Chi Aho: My own opinion is yes, we may learn to do that, but we can also unlearn these patterns.
Zen Arado: or tend to find qualities in common
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Zen Arado: it's usually the other way around Lugh :)
buxar Shamen: thats why a belife in incarnation and eternity is good in a ulture it makes it easier for the old to learn from the young and the young to identifie whit the old
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Never looked at it that way
Zen Arado: I find women my age hard to get on with
Wol Euler: I don't know what my age is :)
Darren Islar: discrimination is a normal thing we do, it is more how we work with it
Wol Euler: I can tell you how long my body has been around, but is that me?
Darren Islar: but we would become crazy if we wouldn't discriminate
Zen Arado: I know but it's what others think
Chi Aho: why darren?
Darren Islar: too much info, too much you need to learn
Zen Arado: they reject you sometimes if you are old
Darren Islar: we can't comprehend that
Qt Core: i think it is genetic as social animals we needed something to separate and identify OUR grout and OTHERS
Darren Islar: but knowing it is not in the mechanism, because that has advantages in itself, to me it is more about knowing you do and see what it means in every given situation
Qt Core: group
Darren Islar: right Qt
Qt Core: then we got too many variables to discriminate on ;-)
Zen Arado: it's a security mechanism maybe
Darren Islar: our mind has limitations in how many connections we can make
buxar Shamen: well i have to be a cabbage person not to descriminate a baby from a men but you need to be wise enugh for your own good to know that from bought you can learn and cultivate an onest fun friendship
Chi Aho: but this is not how many connections, but what kind of connections
Zen Arado: when you are older you can accept young people but it doesn't always work the ohter way around
Darren Islar: but still you do Chi, that the trap
Qt Core: time to go, bye all
Chi Aho: you do what? don't follow you here darren
buxar Shamen: yes i agree zen its easier when you already passed from simmiler ages to identifie
Chi Aho: by Qt
Darren Islar: you can say you don't discriminate, but we choose people we feel ok with
buxar Shamen: bye qi
Darren Islar: thats normal
Wol Euler: 'night qt, take care
Zen Arado: bye Qt
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao Qt
Darren Islar: culture is a bit thing in that
Darren Islar: so if you're not aware of it, you end up with friends looking just like you
Agatha Macbeth: Good god
Darren Islar: hahaha
Zen Arado: I have lots of younger friends
Chi Aho: Well, yes, darren, it is a matter of how close we choose to be with others different from ourselves, but acceptance ragardless of their characteristics is different, i think
Zen Arado: in RL and SL
buxar Shamen: i crave friends simmiler to me i cant find any heheh
--BELL--
Zen Arado: becaue I am older than everyone :)
Darren Islar: we talk mostly non-verbal, culturally there a big differences in very subtle ways
Darren Islar: I think you need to be aware those differences are there
Chi Aho: which is the problem
Darren Islar: yes
Darren Islar: if you're not, you disciminate by default
Darren Islar: not knowing you do
Chi Aho: such as taking "white privilege"?
Wol Euler: my dears, I have to go, it's gettiung late and I am really tired.
Agatha Macbeth: Night night, little one
Wol Euler waves miniaturely.
Chi Aho: sorry, Wol
Darren Islar: nigth Wol :)
Zen Arado: but you don't want ppl befriending you because they feel they should
buxar Shamen: i agree darren but i also thick their is a step further when you forget the difference
Zen Arado: nite Wol
buxar Shamen: night wol
Darren Islar: no, but that is not what I mean Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Now THAT'S what I call a tiny
Chi Aho: Age, sex, gender identity, race, ethnic group, religion, occupation, education, income, nationality - these are what i call "the great dividers"
Chi Aho: not to speak of sexual orientation also
Darren Islar: yes, but it is really about the subtle differences
buxar Shamen: yes chi :)
Agatha Macbeth: C ya peeps, have fun out there
Darren Islar: bye Agatha :)
buxar Shamen: bye aga
Zen Arado: bye Aga
buxar Shamen: untill the couler of a mans skin is of no moor significant then the couler of his eyes they gonna be war :) hallie sallasie speach
Zen Arado: plenty of other reasins too though
buxar Shamen: in malta we have island isim fom malta and its sister island i couldnt belife it the fist i known about it such a small place
Zen Arado: so many dividers Chi
buxar Shamen: i heard recintly that the first evidence of raceisim isnt older then mabey 200 years or so
Zen Arado: not usre about that Buxar
buxar Shamen: and the whight men started it after the elaged enlightenment
Zen Arado: humans have always been tribal
buxar Shamen: i thinck its true zen in medival times race dint matter at all
Zen Arado: it was an evolutionary way to survive
Darren Islar: right Zen
buxar Shamen: trabal yes but not race
Darren Islar: that's probably why there were cursades
Darren Islar: crusades
Zen Arado: maybe not on colour but plenty of other ways
buxar Shamen: crusads where religios
Zen Arado: not many black pplaround in those days in Europe
buxar Shamen: yes thats true zen
Chi Aho: In the 15th century the Portuguese were the first to forcibly remove native Africans and take them into slavery; racism is traceable to this, although before this people did divide themselves on the basis of nationality or religion
Darren Islar: yes...... colour of skin is only one way
Zen Arado: yes
buxar Shamen: and sextioal orientation thats a new one
Zen Arado: language a big barrier
Darren Islar: I'm not sure about that either buxar
Zen Arado: the Romans called ppl barbarians becaus eto them they spoke like ba ba ba
Darren Islar: i think it looks different nowadays
Darren Islar: :) Zen
Zen Arado: ancient Greeks men slept with boys
buxar Shamen: well mabey their was befor but in alot of cultures it was excepted
Zen Arado: it was considered normal
Darren Islar: yes, but not out of love
Chi Aho: In the west, sexual orientation became an issue with the expansion of Christianity
Darren Islar: and only for men
Chi Aho: the ancient Greeks and Romans thought nothing of it
buxar Shamen: we live in the roman empier
Zen Arado: the remnants of it
Chi Aho: and there is that famous island called Lesbos
Zen Arado: it's in our language
buxar Shamen: alcahol free for all and the mushroom pickers are put in jail in the stronge hold of the celts britania
Zen Arado: whay was it called that?
Darren Islar: I'm not sure anyone really knows
Zen Arado: nothing to do with lesbianism then?
Chi Aho: there is a story about the island of Lesbos
Darren Islar: in a way it seems, but not in the way we would define it now
Chi Aho: perhaps it is only a story
Darren Islar: yeah, one of those things that have different stories to it
--BELL--
buxar Shamen: in the thing of dropping have you ever considered droping your sexual orentaion? i mean sex is sex and can be had in many ways hehe :) a though one huh ?
Zen Arado: "The word "lesbian" is derived from the name of the Greek island of Lesbos, home to the 6th-century BCE poet Sappho.[1] From various ancient writings, historians have gathered that a group of young women were left in Sappho's charge for their instruction or cultural edification.[3] Not much of Sappho's poetry remains, but that which does reflects the topics she wrote about: women's daily lives, their relationships, and rituals. She focused on the beauty of women and proclaimed her love for girls.[4] Before the late 19th century, the word "Lesbian" referred to any derivative or aspect of Lesbos, including a type of wine.[note 1]
Darren Islar: it seems to be the other way around , the name lesbian comes form lesbos
Zen Arado: don't think you can drop that Buxar
Darren Islar: the Dutch wikipedia it is one of the possible explanations yes
Zen Arado: it seems hardwired in our chromosomes
buxar Shamen: i thicnk you could im not gay but whitout the social programming i wouldnt mind that much sleeping whit a dude evry now and agin
Zen Arado: sexuality is on a scale I think
buxar Shamen: whit the proper amount of alchaoll it could work
Darren Islar: sure, but that is something different
Chi Aho: Buxar, there is a movement called postmodernism contending that sexual orientation and gender are becoming less and less relevant in society just as race has become less and less relevant
Zen Arado: if you are in the middle you could swing either way
Darren Islar: if you define it as sex, it has less complications then if you define it much broather
Darren Islar: and i can know :)
Zen Arado: but you feel attraction to other men or you don't ?
Darren Islar: broader
Chi Aho: Zen, isn't it what we will or will not permit ourselves to feel?
Darren Islar: hmmm, more complicated then that I'm afraid
Zen Arado: was thinking that Chi
Chi Aho: how so, darren?
buxar Shamen: i dont feel atrected to other men but i could work up an exitment for it its amasing what you could twist the mind to do
Zen Arado: I have conditioning
Zen Arado: but don't see any need to break that conditioning
Zen Arado: in fact it would create trouble for me I think
Zen Arado: in the narrow minded place I live
Darren Islar: I would say, there it gets really interesting Zen :)
buxar Shamen: open minded ness is over rated its a question of tast
Darren Islar: but no-one will explore something without feeling the need to do so, that says enough
Zen Arado: yes
buxar Shamen: some like to be cosy some like to be in windy places notting wrong whit ither
Zen Arado: I find the sub/ dom stuff abit disconcerting too
Darren Islar: and that is also the problem with discrimination, if we don't get challenged on that, we do what we are conditioned to do
Darren Islar: yes Zen, but that is really sl
Zen Arado: well it's in RL too
Darren Islar: sure, but not as outspoken and there are also a lot of other ways possible
Chi Aho: I find I can accept all people regardless of their sexual orientation, not discriminate against them or have prejudicial attitudes; also not experiment with them
Darren Islar: I found out in sl there is only bdsm
Darren Islar: very annoying
Zen Arado: funny that didn't come up in our role play discussions :)
Darren Islar: ?
Darren Islar: role play discussions?
Zen Arado: in Pema's chapter about adopting roles
Zen Arado: subs and doms are roles
Darren Islar: ah, I guess I missed that one :)
Zen Arado: I met a woman in SL who is into that
Darren Islar: I don't know the discussion, but sub and dom are an easy target to discuss something like that
buxar Shamen: charles manson and his fiends used to do the same things to loose their programming trip and play all sort of carrecters for weeks on end
Zen Arado: so wonder if it is me
Darren Islar: what is you Zen ?
Zen Arado: if I ma a sub or a dom or a switch?
Zen Arado: or if I should get into that stuff at all
Darren Islar sighs softly ..... :)
Zen Arado: or am I too conditioned into 'normality' :)
Chi Aho: Is it possible that experimentation of this kind might alter one's character?
Zen Arado: think they are just roles
buxar Shamen: i thinck yes chi up to the point where the carrecter is lost and you could where any kind of mask and feel at home
Darren Islar keeps himself out of this discussion :)
Zen Arado: hope nobody reads this :)
buxar Shamen: wear*
--BELL--
Darren Islar: it is so complex (can't shut up anyway :-)), are roles we play bringing out parts of us, or does the roles in sl change us?
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: think it is for ppl who have had dominating parent issues possibly
Darren Islar: and the roles we play in rl, because sub and dome are integrated parts of rl, in sl it is like a loop you use to make the 'role' a role
Zen Arado: think I will stay normal
buxar Shamen: whats dom and sub?
Zen Arado: hehe
Darren Islar: dominant and submissive, mostly used in sexual relationships
buxar Shamen: ohh
Chi Aho: on bdsm sims in sl
Darren Islar: but is actually something that is integrated in any role we play
Zen Arado: a domme is a dominant female
buxar Shamen: yes true
Zen Arado: lke'I have been a naughty boy' and she whips you
Zen Arado: :)
Darren Islar: it can be very softly in the way a dome takes care of somebody else and the sub is more adaptive, like boss and employer for instance
buxar Shamen: hehe
Darren Islar: or husband and wife
Darren Islar: in bdsm it has become so 'big' we name it as dome and sub
Darren Islar: btw it is not a lesbian thing
Darren Islar: you find it in straight relationships as well
Zen Arado: it could be though?
Darren Islar: I guess that is where it started
Zen Arado: one partner is usually dominant
Zen Arado: perhaps in all sex relationships?
Darren Islar: in all relationships
buxar Shamen: i like to be as submissive as possible but up to a line but whit girls i cant stand being sub but i do have a tendency if i realy like the person
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: you can take turns
Darren Islar: ergo, sub and dome are in essence very normal.......
Zen Arado: yes
Darren Islar: in sl it seems to be a lesbian thing, but that is far beyond the truth
buxar Shamen: sub is conftible dom is inpowering heh
buxar Shamen: ever been a testosteron junkie? hehe
Darren Islar: it is such a small part of society that is taken out and enlarged
Zen Arado: I suppose in hetro relationships the man is supposed to be dominant
Zen Arado: agree Darren
Darren Islar: in sub and dome as in bdsm, mostly the other way around
Chi Aho: but male dominance is the problem according to many modern women
Chi Aho: who want equality
Zen Arado: too dominant then
Darren Islar: equanimity :)
buxar Shamen: most of them still like to be dominated whit relentionships
buxar Shamen: dont l let them fool you
buxar Shamen: hehe
Darren Islar: :)
Zen Arado: I thnk so too Bux
buxar Shamen: still equality i dont see it as inequality somthing is always above and below
Zen Arado: but they control how much domination I think
Darren Islar looks at the clock, I really need to go, sorry guys .......
Chi Aho: yo tambien
buxar Shamen: byebye derren
Zen Arado: yes I better go too
buxar Shamen: :)
buxar Shamen: byebye zen :)
Chi Aho: ich auch
Darren Islar: nite nite :)
buxar Shamen: byebye chi
Chi Aho: good night all
buxar Shamen: :)
Zen Arado: bye and thanks for discussion guys
Chi Aho: :-)