2011.02.09 13:00 - Being new, and more sufi tales

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Wol Euler: hello pema
Pema Pera: hi Wol
Pema Pera: We have a new visitor, Mar Roday
Pema Pera: Rodas
Pema Pera: Her first time in SL
Pema Pera: learning the ropes
Pema Pera: Hi Corvi
Wol Euler: hello corvi
Wol Euler: hello Mar, welcome to Second Life
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all!
Wol Euler: come and join us, right-click on a cushoin and select "sit" from the little menu
Pema Pera: Mar is using the new browser
Pema Pera: is either of you familiar with that one?
Wol Euler: not really, I only used it long enough to find out that I disliked it :)
Pema Pera: I'm not sure whether she can "hear" us
Pema Pera: I have only talked in IM to hear so far
Wol Euler: Mar, press the RETURN key on your keyboard and type a response (any old response) .--. ah! good!
Pema Pera: Ah, great, thanks, Mar!
Wol Euler smiles.
Pema Pera: yes, I mean "write and read" :-)
Wol Euler: use the arrow keys to move, up arrow = walk forard
Pema Pera: to sit on a cushion, right click on the cushion and choose "sit here" from the pie chart
Pema Pera: and please do not worry if it takes a while! We all had to learn :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Indeed!
Pema Pera: "only one" what, Mar?
Wol Euler: CTRL-click then
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods..ooo...a mac
Pema Pera: (better to type here, instead of IM, so that all of us can help you
Wol Euler: the CTRL key on your keyboard, and click the mouse button
Wol Euler: Mar, hold down the CTRL key on your keyboard. While holding it, click once briefly on the cushion.
Wol Euler: don'T hold down the mouse key, and do not move the mouse while clicking
Pema Pera: Mar IMed "a white hand appears but i cannot move"
Pema Pera: Mar, can you type again for the whole group, not only to me in IM?

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I'm going to log in on my Mac as Udge, perhaps I can help better that way
Pema Pera: thanks, Wol, I appreciate it -- let's hope that Fefonz will come later
Wol Euler: pema, ask Mar in IM if she is reading these notes please.
Wol Euler: perhaps she's only listening to your IM chat
Pema Pera: Mar is able to read all of us
Mar Rodas: Hi
Mar Rodas: are you her?
Pema Pera: but has not figured out how to switch from IM to local chat
Pema Pera: and, YES
Mar Rodas: is thsi the gorup char?
Pema Pera: you did it!
Pema Pera: YES
Pema Pera: congratulations
Mar Rodas: ok
Mar Rodas: good
Mar Rodas: I thout it was the saem
Pema Pera: and again, we can go slow, there is no hurry!
Mar Rodas: same
Pema Pera: no, this time we can all read your text
Pema Pera: Udge, would you like to tell Mar how to sit down?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Nice to see you again Udge
Corvuscorva Nightfire: It's been a while
Udge Watanabe: hello mar, hello corvi and pema :)
Udge Watanabe: okay, I found the problem :)
Mar Rodas: hello Udge
Udge Watanabe: don't press the CTRL key, press and hold the CMD key, the apple key
Udge Watanabe: while holding that click once briefly on the cushion
Udge Watanabe: my mistake :)
Pema Pera: (meanwhile, how are you, Corvi?)
Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs..I'm well, and you, Pema?
Wol Euler: choose the blue or brown cushions inthe circle here
Wol Euler: beside pema
Wol Euler: walk forward a little if the column obscures yur view
Pema Pera: fine, Corvi -- still enjoying the memories of the music in New Orleans
Wol Euler: use the left or right arrow keys to change direction
Corvuscorva Nightfire: ooo..I envied you all
Wol Euler: i.e. rotate your body
Wol Euler: there!
Pema Pera: Congratulations, Mar!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Pema Pera: I bet!
Wol Euler smiles.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Yay!
Pema Pera: Now you are part of our circle!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehee
Mar Rodas: thank you
Pema Pera: Mar is from Spain, she told me
Udge Watanabe: ah!
Mar Rodas: I feel like if I wher a little girl
Udge Watanabe: do you know about the chat translation?
Pema Pera: but dividing her time between California and Spain
Mar Rodas: trying to learn how to walk and seat
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I know..a tiny one, trying to learn to walk.
Pema Pera: hahaha, yes, we all had to learn this, Mar!
Mar Rodas: thanks for you pacience
Pema Pera: you're very welcome!
Udge Watanabe: you can get our lines translated itno spanish if that helps you.
Mar Rodas: no thkans
Udge Watanabe: ok :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Bruce!
Pema Pera: hi Bruce!
Pema Pera: Bruce, meet Mar, this is her first PaB session
Mar Rodas: the problem usally is to express myself not to understand
Pema Pera: oh, you're doing very well, Mar!
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Mar! and welcome to PaB!!!
Mar Rodas: thaknss
Udge Watanabe: you're doing fine, mar.
Mar Rodas: fery kind
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods..oo..I know. I have that issue from English to Spanish. I can understand much more than I can say.
Pema Pera: I'm the other way around, in Japanese: easier to talk than to understand :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh
Pema Pera: I guess I like talking (^_^)
Udge Watanabe: :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs..I think that part of your mind must be wonderfully put together.
Bruce Mowbray: also, Hi to Udge and Wol and Corvus and Pema!
Mar Rodas: I am curiosus, can you explain what does it means (^_^)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Heya, Bruce!
Pema Pera: oh, that is a smiling face
Udge Watanabe waves to Bruce.
Pema Pera: like in America :-)
Mar Rodas: ahhh
Pema Pera: (on the side)
Pema Pera: it is a Japanese convention
Pema Pera: I like it better than :-)
Mar Rodas: cool
Pema Pera: I can even blush if I am embarrassed: (*^_^*)
Pema Pera: or be unhappy: (>_<) with eyes frawning
Pema Pera: though Wol has a nicer frown!
Udge Watanabe: :)
Pema Pera: how did you do that, Wol ?
Wol Euler: hmmm
Wol Euler: :(
Pema Pera: O^o
Wol Euler: is my usual
Pema Pera: or something like that?
Wol Euler: o.O

--BELL--

Pema Pera: ah, yes!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: is that a frown or surprise?
Corvuscorva Nightfire: like "what the heck?"
Udge Watanabe: I thought of it as surprise or disbelief :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.
Udge Watanabe: erm, wrong character :)
Wol Euler laughs.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
Wol Euler: how confusing
Corvuscorva Nightfire: grins.
Pema Pera: it gave me an impression of looking over your reading glasses :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
Wol Euler: yes, very much that
Wol Euler: or the raising of a single eyebrow
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods
Corvuscorva Nightfire: or...a goofier look entirely.
Pema Pera: Mar, are you in California now?
Mar Rodas: yes
Mar Rodas: I am
Corvuscorva Nightfire: If it was on me, I'd just look silly and dazed
Mar Rodas: for next two montsh
Pema Pera: I doubt it, Corvi!
Wol Euler: awww
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehehee
Pema Pera: did you hear a bit already about Play as Being from Steven or Saki, Mar?
Pema Pera: (Stim or Genesis in SL)
Mar Rodas: yes, I was once with saki
Mar Rodas: listening while she was attending
Mar Rodas: but I did not touch the keyboard
Pema Pera: so you've learned a lot today!
Mar Rodas: yes
Wol Euler: there is a lot to learn in SL, but don't despair :)
Wol Euler: it comes easily after a while, with practice
Bruce Mowbray learns something new every day.
Wol Euler: and the learning is fun.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Pema Pera: with a little help from your friends here!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Eliza!
Wol Euler: do ask for help if you have questions. Most people are very helpful and friendly.
Mar Rodas: leaving in a foreign country learning s the usal thing
Pema Pera: more fun that way even
Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza!
Pema Pera: oh yes, SL is very much like a foreign country
Mar Rodas: I love to learn is one of the things maks me happier
Bruce Mowbray: you are still a cloud, dear.
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Bruce Mowbray: just like you were at the WoK stufy group.
Pema Pera: the avatars are called "residents" and not "players"
Bruce Mowbray: study group*
Bruce Mowbray: sry.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Corvi, Wol, Pema, Bruce, Udge (LTNS), and Mar... Pleasure to meet you
Mar Rodas: nice to meet you
Udge Watanabe: hello Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Pema Pera: everyone: feel free to offer friendship to Mar -- she would like to come more regularly, and that way we will be able to help her more easily when she has questions
Eliza Madrigal: Sure, IM me anytime...
Mar Rodas: Eliza your name sounds spanish
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cybersufi :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Cyber.
Pema Pera: hi Cybersufi!
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes Madrigal is a common Hispanic last name
cybersufi Resident: hello everyone
Pema Pera: Nice to meet you, sufi
Bruce Mowbray notes that Cyber still has the Oreo cookie from yesterday.
Wol Euler: hello cyber
Mar Rodas: hi cibersufi
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello, Cybersufi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Brian
Eliza Madrigal: I chose it due to its musical roots, but also, I live in Miami :)
cybersufi Resident: everlasting cookie
Wol Euler: hi brian
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Brian!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Brian
Pema Pera: (I enjoyed reading your Sufi stories in a recent chat log, Cybersufi, thank you!)
Brian Roop: hello all
Pema Pera: hi Bria
Pema Pera: Brian
Eliza Madrigal: pero mi espanol is muy mal
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: y de mio tambien.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oof, I need to start using that line.
cybersufi Resident: your welcome I have plenty more Pema
Mar Rodas: you might hael me with some words or expresions
Pema Pera looking forward to hearing them
Brian Roop: quien habla espanol?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: Mar is spanish, her first day in SL today
Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
Brian Roop: ah bienvenida Mar
Corvuscorva Nightfire: though a very competent english speaker
Mar Rodas: brian you sonds rally hisanic
Brian Roop: oh
Mar Rodas: really
Brian Roop: gracias
Brian Roop: mucha practica
Wol Euler: oh, that is odd! Mar, your profile says you are 622 days old.
Bruce Mowbray: Es necesario a practicar much in la idioma . . .
Pema Pera: an "old child" like "Lao Tse"
Wol Euler smiles.
Mar Rodas: jajaj
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Bruce Mowbray: en*
Bruce Mowbray: lo siento.
Brian Roop: el idioma
Brian Roop: ma from greek, masculine
Mar Rodas: I will update my profile
Bruce Mowbray: HA! EL idioma! No wonder no one understands my Spanish!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Gilles!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello!
Pema Pera: Lao Tse es el chino para que el niño de edad
Bruce Mowbray: Ola, Gilles!
Pema Pera: hi Gilles!
Wol Euler: hello gilles, nice outfit!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Nice to see you again.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gilles :)
Pema Pera: welcome, Gilles, come join us!
Brian Roop: hello gilles
Mar Rodas: hi Gilles
Udge Watanabe: I'm going to log out and let Wol concentrate. Goodnight all, take care.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: goodnight, Udge
Pema Pera: night Udge
Eliza Madrigal: Night Udge
Bruce Mowbray always appreciates it when wolves are courteous.

--BELL--

cybersufi Resident: is it possible yo play a sound file over the SL
Wol Euler: yes, if you upload it, youcan play it inworld
cybersufi Resident: cool I have hudreds of stories in audio format
Wol Euler smiles.
Pema Pera: during these meetings we do everything in text, though
Wol Euler nods.
cybersufi Resident: I see you have to pay 10l$ have to join first
Wol Euler: uploading anything into your inventory costs L$10 a shot, yes
Gilles Kuhn: there is no little profits fo linden labs...
Wol Euler: 4 cents US
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Wol Euler: 3 euro-cents
Pema Pera: btw, I'll have to leave in a few minutes . . . my batteries are almost empty
Wol Euler: :(
Bruce Mowbray: y yo, tambien, Pema.
Gilles Kuhn: you are again in a plane or high speed train between NY and Tokyo pema? ;-)
Bruce Mowbray has sudden image from The Matrix.
Mar Rodas: thanks Pema for the introduction in the group, tomorrow I will be her again
Pema Pera: great, Mar!
cybersufi Resident: see you soon pema will post a story for you
Pema Pera: in a cafe, Gilles, in New York city
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: Good to meet you, Mar. . . and please come back.
Wol Euler: bye pema, take care.
Gilles Kuhn: have a beer sad i can't accompany you there cheers!
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Bye Pema, Bruce.
Wol Euler: hello ari, nice to see you again
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bruce
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Glad to have seen you two.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari
Pema Pera: yes, Mar, don't be shy to ask whoever is here tomorrow for further help -- we are a friendly bunch!
Pema Pera: thanks, Gilles!
Arisia Vita: Hi all
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Arisia..are you really invisible or is that my viewer?
Wol Euler: yes, feel free to IM me from your contacts list if you have any more questions
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oops!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: now I can see you!
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yay!
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes it takes a little nudge to the side to see someone appear
Pema Pera: bfn
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Arisia Vita: I'm shy, so sl may have painted me invisible... :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: awwwwww
Mar Rodas: Hi Arisia
Eliza Madrigal: celophane mr, celophane shoulda been my name...
Gilles Kuhn: for me its eliza that is a cloud atm
Eliza Madrigal: ...cause you can look right through me, and never know I'm there...
Corvuscorva Nightfire: haha!
Eliza Madrigal: (sorry for song outburst) let me ctrl-alt-r
Corvuscorva Nightfire: laughs
Brian Roop: yes u have not rezzed for me also
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I see you, though...see everyone now.
Arisia Vita: I don't need to see you to feel you...
Eliza Madrigal: we rezz at different speeds
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: rather like in RL actually :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) lo, I am with you always, hehe
Wol Euler chuckles.
cybersufi Resident: Back in a moment
Mar Rodas: Eliza I can not see you
Mar Rodas: you ar like a cloud
Wol Euler: there, just rezzed for me
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... just tried to edit appearance to see if that might help
Arisia Vita: clouds can be beautiful
Wol Euler: it'll take a second or two to update on your viewer too, Mar
Mar Rodas: owawwww
Mar Rodas: youlook beautiful
Corvuscorva Nightfire: doesn't she though?
Wol Euler: yes indeed.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thank you :) Nice about SL that one can wear wispy dresses about
Wol Euler: barefoot Indian princess
Eliza Madrigal: and nobody thinks twice
Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles
Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.
Wol Euler: hello chi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Chi
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi, Chi.
Mar Rodas: hello Chi
Brian Roop: hi chi
Chi Aho: Hello everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Mar... have you looked around SL a bit, at shops and things?
Mar Rodas: no
Mar Rodas: I like playing in first life but in second...
Mar Rodas: this is a difficult task
Wol Euler: well, that may be a bit overwhelming at first :) but when you are ready, and if you wish to, we'll take you shopping
Wol Euler: show you some nice stores

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: It took me a while to find the 'search' button here
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh it's fun, like barbie dolls once you get the hang of sl.
Mar Rodas: that would be great
Mar Rodas: if you have tiem
Wol Euler: sure
Mar Rodas: tiem
Mar Rodas: time
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Corvuscorva Nightfire: folks, the bell has tolled for me, today. Time for me to enter real life.
Wol Euler: :(
Wol Euler: it was great to see you again, corvi.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Corvi... so nice to see you
Wol Euler: take care, be happy
Corvuscorva Nightfire: you too...nods.
Eliza Madrigal: yes be very happy!
Wol Euler smiles.
Brian Roop: yes i need to go too
Gilles Kuhn: bye corv
Wol Euler: bye brian, take care
Eliza Madrigal: I do as well... wanted to peek in though
Brian Roop: bye all
Brian Roop: be well
Wol Euler: bye eliza!
Arisia Vita: and happy
Mar Rodas: Good by Bryan
Eliza Madrigal: glad to have met you Mar and to see you again Wol, Chi, Ari, Brian, and Gilles :)
Mar Rodas: I think I am leaving this tiem
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, and Cyber in green :D
Chi Aho: ty
cybersufi Resident: :-)
Mar Rodas: See you all next time
Eliza Madrigal: See you again Mar, please feel free to IM for anything
Chi Aho: good to see you too, Eliza
Wol Euler: mar, do you hve a landmark for the playgoda?
Wol Euler: to return here with
Mar Rodas: no
Wol Euler: now you do :)
Wol Euler: you cna doubleclick on hte landmark to return here
Mar Rodas: thanks Wol, but I cannot see wher it is ?
Mar Rodas: sorry
Wol Euler: ah, in the sidebar, click on the globe
Wol Euler: that shows your landmarks
Chi Aho: Next Wednesday I will not be able to be here.
Arisia Vita: I will wander too, good to see you all, be well and happy till we meet again
Wol Euler: bye ari, wander well
Wol Euler: hello zon, hello ishtar
Ishtar Ishmene: hello wol
Zon Kwan: hey all
Chi Aho: hi, Zon
Gilles Kuhn: well i will need to leave too bye all
Wol Euler: bye gilles, take care
Wol Euler: howl well
Wol Euler: now that we've settled down :)
Wol Euler: hello Ishtar, have you been here before?
Ishtar Ishmene: yes wol i think so
Wol Euler: so you know that we record and publish these sessions?
Ishtar Ishmene: i didnt know or remembered that , but that dont bother me
Wol Euler: good, ty :)
Wol Euler: we have to ask, it's in the ToS
Ishtar Ishmene: lol i didnt ever read the ll tos
cybersufi Resident: the Man and the tiger ---- A Man being follwed by a Tiger, turned in desperation and faced it, and cried 'Why don't you leave me alone?" The tiger answered: 'Why don't you stop being so appetising?'
Wol Euler: :)
Chi Aho: :-)
Zon Kwan: sounds familiar
cybersufi Resident: The Toads in the Castle
cybersufi Resident: Once, in a reverie, I saw a community of wholly admirable toads.
cybersufi Resident: they had taken over, and made their home in a castle, obviously, to me, originally built by men.
cybersufi Resident: I spoke their langauge, in my dream, and asked them to explain to me, as a matter of information, the origins and uses of the castle.

--BELL--

cybersufi Resident: They were kindly and hospitable toads, and they gave me full detials of their lives and thoughts, and the way in which the building was used.
cybersufi Resident: Every single aspect of the castle and its surroundings, including the moat and the marshes and reed beds in which it was set, had a thoroughly plausible use and a toad-origin in theory, indicative of toad thought and toad design - conclusive to the toad mind.
Wol Euler: but you were certain it was made for and by humans?
cybersufi Resident: I said: 'Brothers, forgive my seeming discourtesy. but this place was formed, designed, erected, by other beings. It was intended forquite different purposes than you have mentioned..'
cybersufi Resident: Some di not hear at all. the whole idea was so strange that it did not even register with them. Some said, shortly: You are a liar, or a cheat.'
cybersufi Resident: Others, 'trying to help me, siad to one another; 'Poor fellow, he is raving mad.' that of course quite disposed me.
cybersufi Resident: fin...
Wol Euler: :)
Ishtar Ishmene: need to go bye all
Wol Euler: bye ishtar, take care
cybersufi Resident: bye
Wol Euler: that sounds like a parable, cyber
cybersufi Resident: you don't mind if I ramble I am now aware that others read ofline and enjoy
Wol Euler: fire away
cybersufi Resident: well it is kind of but its also a reflection of a pattern of thinking
cybersufi Resident: As Frank Herbert said in Dune the first step in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence
cybersufi Resident: here is one that could very well describe much of the politics of today

--BELL--

cybersufi Resident: "The Cheese"
cybersufi Resident: Once upon a time there was a cheese,
cybersufi Resident: A number of cheese-mites took up residence
cybersufi Resident: in it
cybersufi Resident: As time passed, they bored more and more holes into the cheese, and of course they multiplied
cybersufi Resident: then one day, there was so many holes in the cheese that it collapsed into powder
cybersufi Resident: leaving the mites scrambling in the ruins of their home.
cybersufi Resident: 'What traitor is responsible for this/' screamed the mites.
cybersufi Resident: "They formed parties, each opposed to the other, whoes objectives were to restore the former idea situation.
cybersufi Resident: some mites, it is true, found another cheese. but the majority- they are fairly rapidly consuming the remaining cheese powder.
cybersufi Resident: fin

Chi had IMed me and asked permission to put a notice about an upcoming event into the log. I agreed since I thought it might be of interest to guardians and other readers.

Chi Aho: Chi Aho, author and lecturer, will speak at OSHO Meditation Island Tree House Classroom at 1:00 p.m. Wednesday, February 16th on "Emotional, Moral and Spiritual Development." This will be the first of a planned three part series on this subject with all contributions going to support OSHO.
Wol Euler nods to Cyber. That story rings bells, somehow
Chi Aho: (Posted by permission)
cybersufi Resident: I enjoyed Osho's book on the tao, he was quite an admirer of Allan watts
Chi Aho: author of THE BOOK
cybersufi Resident: idead
cybersufi Resident: indeed
cybersufi Resident: He refers to Allan Watts as an almost Buddha
cybersufi Resident: amusing really
Chi Aho: maybe a bodisatva (not sure of spelling)

--BELL--

cybersufi Resident: The Two Demons A Junior devil said to a senior one: 'If only we could stop manfrom using sovereign intellect! Can we not do something to block his efforts towards self development?
cybersufi Resident: The Elder answered: 'My child, it has been done already! Man was aeons ago convinced that he possesses choice and sovereign intellect as some sort of gift.
cybersufi Resident: He, has long since - with only a few insignificant exceptions - ceased to listen to anyone who says that he has a real intellect waiting to be developed.'
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: my dears, I'm sorry, but my time is up, I must go.
Wol Euler: thank you for the tales, Cyber.
cybersufi Resident: Chi, I thought you would appreciate the ecological flavour of the "the Cheese"
cybersufi Resident: bye wol
Chi Aho: ty
Wol Euler: goodnght!
Chi Aho: c u wol