2011.02.27 08:00 - "Being a Guardian" Session: Yes, Steve

Present at this important session were 16 guardians : Adams Rubble : Agatha Macbeth : Alfred Kelberry : Aphrodite Macbain : Archmage Atlantis : Bertram Jacobus : Bleu Oleander : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : Pema Pera : Riddle Sideways : SophiaSharon Larnia : Sunshine Vayandar : stevenaia Michinaga

(Alternatively titled 'The Way You Do the Things You Do') 

stevenaia Michinaga: hello ELiza
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Eliza :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza and riddle :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi Liz ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone!
Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Here comes Liz
Riddle Sideways: hi (again)
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya :)
Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
Riddle Sideways: half the building is gone?
boxy (alfred.kelberry): intact
Agatha Macbeth: It is?
Agatha Macbeth: Not for me
Bleu (bleu.oleander): me either
Archmage Atlantis: This end is in another sim
Riddle Sideways: did the other go. has not rezed yet
Pema Pera: all there for me :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): take a screenshot! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aphro has vanished tho
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone who just came in :)
Aphrodite Macbain is Online
Agatha Macbeth: wb Aphro
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb Aph ;)
Pema Pera: hi Eos!
Adams Rubble: Hello Eos
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi all
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, we lost bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: turbulent out there
Aphrodite Macbain: what was that- I mssed it?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes taking a while for everything to draw its lines.... each person who appears another seems to go
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos

stevenaia Michinaga: Interesting topic, ELiza
stevenaia Michinaga: Perhaps this week we can discuss: "What does a PaB Guardian guard?"
Maxine Walden: hi, Eos
Agatha Macbeth: Me too - hello Eos
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody i didn´t say hi to yet pls ! :-)
Riddle Sideways: ok, much of the other sim is here now
Pema Pera: great topic, Steve!
Eliza Madrigal: I think we should have this topic every week, judging by the attendance this morning :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it was Eliza's
Pema Pera: :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Riddle Sideways: really appreciate the world rezzing
boxy (alfred.kelberry): "What does a PaB Guardian guard?"
Pema Pera: yes, thank you ELiza!
Aphrodite Macbain: hmmm I've always wondered what we were guarding
Eliza Madrigal: It is something Eos has brought up many times, and comes up often here and there as it should...

stevenaia Michinaga: listens for the answer :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): that's from the mail :)
Eliza Madrigal: what does your heart say, Steve :)

Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi Satia ;)
stevenaia Michinaga: civility
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eos Amaterasu: very topical
Eliza Madrigal: what does civility guard?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): ever dancing satia :)
Satia Jacobus (satia.ruby): hi everyone
Satia Jacobus (satia.ruby): was my ao lol
Aphrodite Macbain: it guards civility

Bertram Jacobus: i would say : "peace and freedom"

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sata, we're in the midst of the weekly guardian session but you're welcome to sit in :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): who guards the guardians, eliza? :)
Satia Jacobus (satia.ruby): thanks aliza
Satia Jacobus (satia.ruby): eliza*
Coffee Mug whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
Eos Amaterasu: is it guardians all the way down, alfred?
Bertram Jacobus: and i would say : the guardians are guarded by the being (?) :-)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, no idea :)

Eliza Madrigal: Another way to phrase the question might be 'what are we cultivating?"

boxy (alfred.kelberry): berty, maybe by common sense :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bert
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, it's a different question
Eliza Madrigal: Is it?

Eos Amaterasu: "civility" is a good term, perhaps: an open commons, both guarded and cultivated

Bertram Jacobus: and cultivating ? i would suggest : love, freedom, peace and such values ? diversity as well, a playful life ? ...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): what do guardians guard - i'd like to hear what people think
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure any one of us can be guarians of all that in one meeting Bert
Eliza Madrigal: yes... guess for me I was wondering what civility means and what it makes way for
Aphrodite Macbain: we guard our values, I think
Eliza Madrigal: hehe Steve that's why we have so many meetings?

stevenaia Michinaga: in general, keeping blood pressures somewhere below explosive whenn needed
Adams Rubble: :)
Pema Pera: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: civility means participating in civil life- a citizen
boxy (alfred.kelberry): stev :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;)
Eos Amaterasu: 220/140
Aphrodite Macbain: being a good citizen
stevenaia Michinaga: eos, may I suggest a different diet?
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: as oposed to being a good soldier or king
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: (I'm in the zone, stevenaia)
Eos Amaterasu: (115/70)
Pema Pera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting

stevenaia Michinaga: things generally take care of themselves, but in a directed fashion, we can assist in that

Aphrodite Macbain: I'll just keep drinking my coffee
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): hi Sharon ;)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Sophia
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sharon :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi Sharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everyone sorry to be late "D
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Sharon :)
Lucinda Lavender: agree steve..
Lucinda Lavender: and eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi SS Larnia :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: what are we protecting?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): stev, i've never been a witness where guardian involvement was really nessesary in keeping the blood pressure low
Eos Amaterasu: a bit of quality of appreciation, even reverence, which leads automatically to both cultivating and guarding

Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a ship

Eliza Madrigal: that seems the most helpful thing we might do for one another actually... to share our own sense of what we are guarding in a session
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I have seen the the spiral of anger and abuse handled in diferent way,some resulting in hurt feelings, other resulting in quick banishment

Riddle Sideways: Guardian was always a stange title... seems we are Greeters mostly and facilators secondly

Eliza Madrigal: my sense is 'openness' but then of course I ask what that means too :) never get to 'bottom'
Arch (archmage.atlantis): I was not aware of anyone being banished from PaB
stevenaia Michinaga: yes Riddle
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): to me it's about being playful with the moment - whatever comes up
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Pema Pera: one original meaning of guardian was to just make sure there was always at least one person at each session, four times a day -- that was quite a challenge in the beginning

stevenaia Michinaga: there is a baned list in the group
Aphrodite Macbain: I discovered that it is best to share the decision of banishment with the group. What is offensive to one may not be a problem for others

Pema Pera: but then the word got extra meanings over time, as always happens :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, ah... so it would be a guardian of a session or conversation
Riddle Sideways: yes Pema, we were to guard that nobody come in alone
Pema Pera: yes

Arch (archmage.atlantis): My main reason to be glad to be a guardian is to welcome newcomers and point them to the wiki and give them the notecard......plus to make sure a log is posted
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps the word should be "chair" rather than guardian
boxy (alfred.kelberry): a keeper of sort
stevenaia Michinaga: initially we simply guard the meeting and the log to be posted
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i like this notion
Eos Amaterasu: GoC = Guardian of the Conversation, or Guardian on Call (?)
Pema Pera: :-)

Aphrodite Macbain: do we have to be armed?
Lucinda Lavender: guardian of space...
SophiaSharon Larnia: we are Aph
Aphrodite Macbain had always wondered what that "C" meant

Pema Pera: I like the cultivator aspect -- like in cultivating a guarden, we protect new sprouts

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Luci
Pema Pera: guide gently in new directions
boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, i agree

Eos Amaterasu: Guardian of Cultivation
Aphrodite Macbain: I prefer cultivator
Eos Amaterasu: God
stevenaia Michinaga: perferred
boxy (alfred.kelberry): in fact, cal has a cultivator tag
Eliza Madrigal: so what we are looking out for, is one another and with a special eye toward new growth?

stevenaia Michinaga: always perfected Guardian of( the) Day

Eos Amaterasu: attentive to openness
Aphrodite Macbain: yes eliza

SophiaSharon Larnia: you change your role to cultivator in the group info window
Aphrodite Macbain: as well as continued growth
boxy (alfred.kelberry): it's less intimidating than "guardian" which is rather distant

Pema Pera: but at the same time a guardian is also cultivating her/himself, anew each moment

Eliza Madrigal: fragile peekings out.... tiny birds
Aphrodite Macbain: and militant

Eos Amaterasu: some sense of being "on duty" - you're not just there for yourself
Pema Pera: ready to welcome others

Eliza Madrigal: yes @ Eos
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eos, hmm...
Aphrodite Macbain: I think I'l change back to cultivator

Eos Amaterasu: caring for those little sprouts of openness in ourselves and others
Eliza Madrigal: cultivating inner/outer openness

Bertram Jacobus: we got also the "host" title ...

boxy (alfred.kelberry): you don't have take on a duty of a guradian to take for others
Riddle Sideways: later, it got so the goc would bring maybe a topic and entertainment for the children

stevenaia Michinaga: host is nice....perhap PaB representation

Pema Pera: a life of freedom implies a life of awareness -- and I feel I need to guard myself, in a playful but definite way, to stay aware

Eliza Madrigal: sure ALf, but a tendency to do so usually gets you invited :D
boxy (alfred.kelberry): well...
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Host is a good word.......it doesn't have the sense of directing others that guardian or cultivator do
Aphrodite Macbain: host is very apt
Eliza Madrigal: so guarding yourself is a kind of being seen, Pema?

Bertram Jacobus: i just read eckard tolle again and he says protection would not be neccessairy when we are grounded in the being so to say. but may be i understood that wrongly ...

stevenaia Michinaga: nods, but I don't bake

Pema Pera: yes, letting myself be seen, Eliza

Pema Pera: so it is nice that we can choose our label: guardian, host, cultivator :)

Aphrodite Macbain: you dont bake Steve? Not even A CAKE?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I liked the PaB Party Crew role but it doesnt seem to be there :)
stevenaia Michinaga: married a baker
Aphrodite Macbain: PARTY CREW
Eos Amaterasu: Baker of Being?
Aphrodite Macbain: nice
Agatha Macbeth: 'If I knew you were coming...'
Eliza Madrigal makes note who might plan the pab anniversary party... hehe...
Lucinda Lavender: and we do know they are coming:)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i like archy's suggestion
Arch (archmage.atlantis): I'd haved baked you a quorum *g*
Eliza Madrigal: :) Luci
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Sorry Aph, but the brain went there
Aphrodite Macbain: that needs lots of eggs
Arch (archmage.atlantis): :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I know how wit works Arch!

Eliza Madrigal: so guardian has jobs associated with it but is not a 'doing' necessarily?
Lucinda Lavender: a being...
Eliza Madrigal: *being a guardian
Aphrodite Macbain: but Guardians do things- like edit wikis
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)

Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps cultivator /creator is better
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'm always present as boxy at the pavilion, not a guardian :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): I like cultivator most
Aphrodite Macbain: boxy without title
SophiaSharon Larnia: i hear you Boxy
Eliza Madrigal: yet you will 'host' a music session, Alf... you'll 'be there' so that music might arise and collaborations might occur
Arch (archmage.atlantis): what are we cultivating Sun?

Pema Pera: we don't have to choose one name -- we can keep all, and use the label we like
Aphrodite Macbain: like most of us. we dont always wear our roles

Maxine Walden: we may be exploring the range of 'ways of being...ways of doing...' that we hold gently, openly in our caretaker/guardian role

Eliza Madrigal: you'll make the space available and likely
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps use a different label depending on the occasion
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, no. i'll just be present. anyone can come and play their arsty being.
Eliza Madrigal: seems same :)
Pema Pera likes Maxines "care" in "caretaker" -- taking care, another form of cultivating
Aphrodite Macbain: Not one of us is wearing any label except our name
Lucinda Lavender: wat a title that causes everyones bloodpressure to go down...hmmm
boxy (alfred.kelberry): no title :)
Aphrodite Macbain: host
Eliza Madrigal thinks Aph has a label-less viewer
Eos Amaterasu is wearing "Cultivator"
Pema Pera: (I mean't group label, Aph, like most of us do here)
Eliza Madrigal: nice :)
Aphrodite Macbain: oh
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, v2 doesn't show tags by default
Riddle Sideways: ummm, it the other half of the room (and Arch, Eos, Adams) re-rezzing every 35 seconds for anybody else?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): (preferences, Aph ... show group titles)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i only see names
Eliza Madrigal: that happened to me a few weeks ago Riddle
Eos Amaterasu: no re-rezzing here....
SophiaSharon Larnia: here either :)
Eliza Madrigal: today its okay
Lucinda Lavender: I removed mine I think ...
Eliza Madrigal: blinking :)

Arch (archmage.atlantis): Ok, well....I wasn't sure whether to bring this up, but I seem to have been inappropriate by posting a log that was from an impromptu meeting that occured at a non-standard time

boxy (alfred.kelberry): host is simple and known. i think it's a good candidate.
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Also, how to post a log if only the guardian is there

boxy (alfred.kelberry): you can say a few words and post them :) i've seen it being done :)

Pema Pera: from the beginning, the logs on the regular log pages have been for the four regular meetings, Arch
Eliza Madrigal: It is perfectly fine to post a log that no one attends... many times a host or guardian present will post a log at a standard session time
Arch (archmage.atlantis): I know that now

Eliza Madrigal: we also have Guardian Contributions pages
boxy (alfred.kelberry): eliza, what's that?
Eliza Madrigal: any guardian can make a page (including sub pages) on the wiki
Eliza Madrigal: under "Guardian Contributions"
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ah, like a user page?
Eliza Madrigal: let me get a link... one sec...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ah, did not know that
Pema Pera: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Pema

Eliza Madrigal: It is little used actually... but a great place to share impromptu reports
boxy (alfred.kelberry): neat

boxy (alfred.kelberry): btw, how do i get an account on the pab wiki?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, you shoul have gotten a password, etc right after becoming a guardian Alf
Eliza Madrigal: if not I'll follow up there
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, thanks :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): ok, i think pema answered the big question :)
Eliza Madrigal: wb Aph
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): wb Aph ;)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): next! :)
Aphrodite Macbain: sigh tx
Agatha Macbeth: Return of the Aphro
Pema Pera: :)

Eos Amaterasu: in a way that which attracts to PaB is what is cultivated and guarded and discovered in others and encouraged

Aphrodite Macbain: something in the air
Eliza Madrigal: YES there isn't a
Eliza Madrigal: 'product'
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i think in an open environment like pab the emphasis should be on encouragement rather than guarding

stevenaia Michinaga: thinking, Guardian is like a social contract, totally unnecessary if the level of discourse (cutivating ourselves and each other) is at a level accptable to the group, the hard part is when it strays, and how to direct then

Aphrodite Macbain: supporting, facilitating
Assertion failure: same object re-attached
boxy (alfred.kelberry): right
Eliza Madrigal: yes Steve
Adams Rubble: yes Steve
Aphrodite Macbain: yes steve
Maxine Walden: agree, Steve
Eos Amaterasu: there may be something delicate emerging, which can be guarded against being tromped on
Eliza Madrigal will title this session "Yes Steve" :D
Eos Amaterasu: tender sprout
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :)
stevenaia Michinaga: giggles
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: first step is to recognize it before you step on it

stevenaia Michinaga: prefers do nothing.. guardian
Pema Pera: one meaning of "guard" is someone who provides a safe place, a protected place, safe to play in :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Steve
Pema Pera: you don't play on the freeway

Bleu (bleu.oleander): what constitues "safe" at PaB?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema, yes, one, but not prevailing one :)
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, trucks do seem to come our way now and then
Aphrodite Macbain: yes pema -an "ideal conversation place"
SophiaSharon Larnia: good question Bleu

Maxine Walden: fostering the tender sprouts, and trying to protect them from the boot of seeming indifference, sarcasm, the noise of the day etc

boxy (alfred.kelberry): no judgment
Aphrodite Macbain: seeming indifference- yes Maxine
Eliza Madrigal: Lovely Maxine, yes
Pema Pera: no snickering, no cynicism
Aphrodite Macbain: so many comments can get lost
Pema Pera: encouragement
Aphrodite Macbain: means paying attention
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Adams Rubble: fortunately the comments are not totally lost when in the log :)
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Smoothing over sarcasm, while still allowing participation perhaps
Pema Pera: guarding the room there is for everybody to be heard

SophiaSharon Larnia: i have many times wished i could IM someone on a comment i see in the log posting that I missed during a seesion :)

Eliza Madrigal: hmm.. yes Arch there is time for drawing boundaries
Aphrodite Macbain: I sometimes realize as I edit the log that there werethingssaid tat I hadn't noticed or acknowledged
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Not always easy in 1 culture, even more challenging across cultures
Aphrodite Macbain: yes ss
Lucinda Lavender: me too!
Eos Amaterasu has experienced that many times (missing what's said)
Eliza Madrigal nods

boxy (alfred.kelberry): pema's words make me feel comfy and cuddly on this cushion :)
Adams Rubble: me too
Agatha Macbeth: Easy Alf
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles with boxy

Lucinda Lavender: never even saw the words at the time they appeared!

Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps our role as GOC is not to speak that much but facilitate

Pema Pera: like a good book, worth reading a second time :)
Agatha Macbeth: And more

Eliza Madrigal: well this is a tricky line, people like to feel the guardian is 'there'
boxy (alfred.kelberry): do they?
Maxine Walden: offering a receptive mind...
Eliza Madrigal: I do
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: i think they do too ELiza, but some of us (me) dont feel all that comfy in a leadership role

Aphrodite Macbain: some people have no idea there is such a thing as guardan- especially if they do their job well

Maxine Walden: or a receptive place/space

Eliza Madrigal: like that idea Aph
SophiaSharon Larnia: true Aph!
Aphrodite Macbain: paying attention, facilitating the converation and, occasionally, leading it
Arch (archmage.atlantis): Every group has a leader, its part of being human........the style of leadership is what varies
Eliza Madrigal: yet there is a presence... which is why I felt the line was not so easy
boxy (alfred.kelberry): sophia, think of it as being a helper :)

Sun (sunshine.vayandar): yes - best is if the guardian seems just like everyone else ..
Eliza Madrigal: :) Sun

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Boxy, i do, Ive thought of the role as a gentle facilitator
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: although like steve said...
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i like it
Aphrodite Macbain: how can I change my ttle? I forget

Pema Pera: perhaps the most important role for the guardian is to represent the PaB community if there are no other guardians -- to people who visit then

Aphrodite Macbain: can I call myself gentle facilitator??;-)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph, please do :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: if the session is in chaos i may bring up a topic, but not insist on it
Aphrodite Macbain: how?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Aph
Pema Pera: how about "gentle but firm", Aph? :-)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'd like this title too please :)
Arch (archmage.atlantis): gentle?
Pema Pera: that's perfect, Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: and then i babble on all by myself lololol
Aphrodite Macbain: hmm. that may not fit...
Aphrodite Macbain: gentle

Eos Amaterasu: "velvet revolutionary"

Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth likes velvet
Arch (archmage.atlantis): host or facilitator both work for me
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds quebecois
stevenaia Michinaga: another one to choose from, can it just be added to the list?
SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds too much like gnr/slash lol
Eliza Madrigal: all the lables work for me because I'm not married to any of them, hehe
Riddle Sideways: babbler works for me
Aphrodite Macbain: where can I change my title,I forget
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): ;) Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: babbler, chatterbox...

Pema Pera: "riddler on the roof"
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay
Eos Amaterasu: Eliza is polyandrous
boxy (alfred.kelberry): aph, in the group window, i think
Eliza Madrigal: there, that one
Eliza Madrigal laughs @ Eos
Arch (archmage.atlantis): chuckles.......we all babble, Riddle :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Bertram Jacobus: aph : on the first site of the pab group info you can change it
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): i like babble
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: i remember moons description of pab but i forget now how he put it
stevenaia Michinaga whispers: local coffee shop in town has "Babble-free Zone" t-shirts
SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds boring steve :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: unless it means babble for free
Riddle Sideways: "yes, Steve"
Eos Amaterasu: there was a mideast city called babel-on
Agatha Macbeth: babble4free.com?
Riddle Sideways: 404
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
boxy (alfred.kelberry): wakaon

Eliza Madrigal: is one of the things we guard, the 90 second pauses and the practice of 9 second pauses?

boxy (alfred.kelberry): wakaoff
Eos Amaterasu: ah, yes, Eliza
boxy (alfred.kelberry): the bell...
Aphrodite Macbain: do we realy "guard" them Eliza?
Agatha Macbeth: Ding
boxy (alfred.kelberry): good point
Arch (archmage.atlantis): I knew I was doing the right thing when I detached all those dance moves *g*
SophiaSharon Larnia: hihi Arch

Maxine Walden: perhaps we try to respect the space which the pause/bell represents
Eliza Madrigal: mmmmmmmm

Eos Amaterasu: the pauses are part of our "offering"
Eliza Madrigal: yes

Pema Pera: nice, Maxine: respect rather than protect

Aphrodite Macbain: that's a tough one
Maxine Walden: hmm, yes, Pema
Lucinda Lavender: an offereing of silence...
Aphrodite Macbain: that means practicing what we believe in

SophiaSharon Larnia: how could you draw that, silence on a plate lol
Eliza Madrigal: empty hands?

Bleu (bleu.oleander): looking for a good summary of guardian responsibilities on the wiki .... can't seem to find one?
Agatha Macbeth: With great difficulty?
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: that's why you "practice"

Arch (archmage.atlantis): I agree, the pauses are important........sometimes an individual can miss the bell, or type and enter something before the system makes the bell words/sound appear to them

Aphrodite Macbain: must be there Bleu
Aphrodite Macbain: over and over
Bleu (bleu.oleander): should be more obvious if it is there
Arch (archmage.atlantis): But one can realize it if others stop
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Guardian_Pages/PaB_Handbook/Regular_Activities_Coordinator_Tasks/Welcome_to_Hosting

Aphrodite Macbain: sometimes
Aphrodite Macbain: my challenge is knowing how to respond to rudeness
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles at Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: do I say nothing politely?
Riddle Sideways: yes, Aph
SophiaSharon Larnia: true rudeness yes, sometimes people phrase questions that are emotionally loaded that feel abrupt and rude
Aphrodite Macbain: or commwent

Eliza Madrigal: yes that page is mostly for hosting sessions... I encourage people to peruse the Chronicles and also the links regarding the 9 seconds and FAQ... but love for greater clarity to emerge

stevenaia Michinaga: the rude usually have a difcult time sustaining themselve if you question them

Bertram Jacobus: i never had such a problem at pab yet ... (rudeness)
stevenaia Michinaga: (not in all cases)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): i'd like to note that rudeness is a perception
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Bleu (bleu.oleander): that seems more of a tech page .... was thinking more of an introductory concept .... like what we're talking about today
Eliza Madrigal: interesting observations Steve
Eos Amaterasu: yes steve
Aphrodite Macbain: that's a bit of my problem boxy

Maxine Walden: how to respectfully hold the space and intent without being too reactive to rudeness; often takes careful attention to one's own spaciousness not to descend into reactivity
Aphrodite Macbain: YES!
stevenaia Michinaga: Yes Maxine
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Maxine, very well to keep in mind
Aphrodite Macbain: (oops tha was a reaction!)

Lucinda Lavender: in preschool we suggest that someone learing the rudeness speak about how it feels to hear it...and whether it is being a friend to speak that way...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: yes Maxine :)

Pema Pera: it's all part of the adventure, the exploration that is inherent in Play as Being -- how to respond naturally to whomever you encounter; we will never be able to write down formulas for that, but we can give each other examples

Lucinda Lavender: hearing
Eliza Madrigal: @ Bleu... this is the best page I think, overall... to get a sense of things: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/About_PlayAsBeing
SophiaSharon Larnia: im not that comfortable taking that tactic in groups with adults Luci :)
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Pema... no formulas but maybe recipes?
Pema Pera: nice, Lucinda!
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps develop our ability to listen deeply and to not take offense easily
Eliza Madrigal: same I guess actually... but moment to moment
Pema Pera: perhaps implicitly, Sharon
Aphrodite Macbain: It's something we develop slowly

Pema Pera: showing, rather then telling :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes

Bleu (bleu.oleander): thanks Eliza, perhaps the opening intro could include some of the ideas mentioned today?
Aphrodite Macbain: trouble is people come in at different times
Eliza Madrigal: would be nice for someone to make a page there, yes
Lucinda Lavender: not suggesting doing it the same way...SSL
Riddle Sideways needs to experience the winking out/spacey sim view
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Luci, something ill think about :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wink well Rid

Maxine Walden: I have to go now; afraid I cannot be at my 1pm goc as mentioned in email note; if anyone goes please send me the link if they like. Thanks for the great conversation
Aphrodite Macbain: the what riddle?
Eliza Madrigal: I really must go...
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz :)
Maxine Walden: bye for now
Pema Pera: bye Maxine -- I have to go too
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): byebyeee Eliza ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone who is leaving
Pema Pera: thank you all !
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: And Max
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Maxine, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I would appreciate being sent the remainder of the session if it continues :)
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): take care all - I must go also
Agatha Macbeth: And Bleu
Eos Amaterasu: bye all!
Sun (sunshine.vayandar): have a great week ;)
Agatha Macbeth: And Eos
Aphrodite Macbain: must poof too
Agatha Macbeth: And Pem
Eliza Madrigal: have a lovely Sunday
stevenaia Michinaga: wonders who collect ths log?
Agatha Macbeth: And Aph
Eliza Madrigal: <---collector
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Pema Pera is Offline
Agatha Macbeth: Eliza I think
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Steve :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Eliza!!
Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
boxy (alfred.kelberry): poofs
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sun
Agatha Macbeth: And Boxy
boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
Eliza Madrigal: my pleasure, when I'm here :)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks everyone