The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden

Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: good day maxine
Maxine Walden: I know I looklike a clown of a sort...not sure how that happens, I did not do it purposely
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, ur contribution to the art of being project ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: :D
Maxine Walden: well, now, maybe so:))
Maxine Walden: did you do a project for Art as Being?
Yakuzza Lethecus: no, i didn´t participate with artpieces yet
Yakuzza Lethecus: even tho i was on some of the pictures in the last project
Maxine Walden: how did that happen?
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, a picture from bleu :)
Maxine Walden: ah...
Yakuzza Lethecus: uncommon that it´s so quiet
Maxine Walden: yes, i was thinking that as well...
Maxine Walden: In the USA we changed the time by an hour...not sure if that has affected some folks
Maxine Walden: but in Europe that happened a week ago, if I am correct
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i guess
Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, the week was weired
Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ll be afk for a while :(
Maxine Walden: OK, afk now, or over the week?
Maxine Walden: ah, now I suppose, for Yaku.
Maxine Walden: Think I might spend a bit of time 'practicing' for the Time workshop...just 'being'...
--BELL--

Just after the bell, following about 5-6 minutes of silence and contemplation, Steve arrives

Maxine Walden: ah, hi, Steve
Maxine Walden: your wonderful outfit again...
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, and look at you
Maxine Walden: yes, I am an accidental clown of a sort
Maxine Walden: accidental in that I am not sure how I got this was :)
Maxine Walden: way
Maxine Walden: How have you been?
stevenaia Michinaga: good, happilly busy
stevenaia Michinaga: getting busier
Maxine Walden: wonderful, and wonderfuller
Maxine Walden: :)
Maxine Walden: had things been slow?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, but they change as quickly as the wind shifts
Maxine Walden: ah....that is so isn't it...and our worries change on a dime
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I am amazed how little time I spend worrying, eventhough though I probably should
Maxine Walden: now that sounds great!!
stevenaia Michinaga: I assume it would be a motivator...
stevenaia Michinaga: but then the wind shfts all by itself
Maxine Walden: or just an undermining agent (worry)
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, I haven't figured out when worring would help yet
Maxine Walden: hi, Wol!
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol
Maxine Walden: We are talking about the unhelpfulness of worry
stevenaia Michinaga: nice boots Wol
Wol Euler: hello maxine, steve, yaku
Wol Euler: ty
stevenaia Michinaga: I assume it exists for some reason
Maxine Walden: uh oh, Wol is into the concrete
Maxine Walden: oh, better
stevenaia Michinaga: a responce to helplessness?
Wol Euler smiles.
Maxine Walden: worry exists for some reason, Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: well it's must be a built-in responce for something?
Maxine Walden: interesting question...am pondering
stevenaia Michinaga: we sneeze because our nose itches, we worry because it fixes ... what?
Maxine Walden: (scratching her head...)
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: my responce as well
Maxine Walden: maybe it creeps in, as if promising to 'help out'...but is more distracting than guiding in my experience
stevenaia Michinaga: seems t have many negative physical byproducts as well
Maxine Walden: yes...
stevenaia Michinaga: raising cortosol levels (Whatever that is), reduces immune capacity
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like the perfect self destructive emotion
stevenaia Michinaga: or response
Maxine Walden: yes, heightens blood pressure (as for fight or flight)...
Maxine Walden: seems to bring fals messages about danger
Wol Euler: is worry perhaps fear of something that is absent?
stevenaia Michinaga: the danget might be real, but the respose is not a real solution
stevenaia Michinaga: *danger
Wol Euler: its symptoms also describe reasonable fear of immediate danger
--BELL--
Maxine Walden: yes, Wol, thanks, I seem to be an accidental clown or harlequin...not sure how it happened
Wol Euler: oh, so you see it too, maxine?
Maxine Walden: Wol, what is your thought about worry maybe being the fear of something that is absent?
Wol Euler: well, the symptoms that we were describing are also those of "reasonable fear"
Wol Euler: fear that has a real and immediate cause
Maxine Walden: yes, I see my stripey state, not pleased with it, but more interested in our discussion that changing it right now
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: so perhaps worry is a fear reaction to something that isn't present
Wol Euler: worry = future fear
Maxine Walden: ah...
Wol Euler: or indeed fear of the future
stevenaia Michinaga: strangly enough, not much on Wikipedia
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worry
Maxine Walden: :)
Maxine Walden: I like the thought that worry may be a fear of the future...as if to control the future (which worry sort of promises) may help
Wol Euler: the graphic on hat page is interesting.
Wol Euler: It puts wory at the intersectino of medium threat and low skills = little chance to avoid
stevenaia Michinaga: I find it perplexing that people worry about "what could go wrong" then jsut wait and worry until the eventual outcome happens, the one they usually didn;t worry about
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: "In positive psychology, worry is described as a response to a moderate challenge for which the subject has inadequate skills." wikipedia
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Pila
Wol Euler: hello pila
Pila Mulligan: greetings
Maxine Walden: hi, Pila!
Pila Mulligan: :)\
Pila Mulligan: :)*
Maxine Walden: Nice to see you, we are talking about 'worry' and its value(s) negative and positive...
Pila Mulligan: thanks ...
stevenaia Michinaga: have we found a positive one yet?
Pila Mulligan: I can think of some
Maxine Walden: :) maybe Wol was bringing one from the wikipedia?
Wol Euler: if it leads you to take precautions, yes.
Pila Mulligan: worry can be a form of sensitivity to everything from good manners to fate
Pila Mulligan: fate, luck, whatevers
Wol Euler: people who worry about the safety of their cars are more likely to wear seatbelts than those who don't
stevenaia Michinaga: or seek a solution, perhaps? but then why worry to begin with if you are trying to be proactive
Wol Euler: but do you?
Wol Euler: (worry if being proactive?)
stevenaia Michinaga: no, usually wait... comfotably
Wol Euler: worry has a flavour of inactivity to me
Maxine Walden: interesting, Wol
Maxine Walden: sort of 'I'll worry and just see what happens' ?
Pila Mulligan: worry seems to be an ambiguos term to begin with actually
Maxine Walden: hmm, yes, say more, Pila?
stevenaia Michinaga: no, I'll wait and not worry at all
stevenaia Michinaga: being busy in the present
Pila Mulligan: my personal mythology has a place for worry as I see it, being a form of sensitivity -- especially as in terms of energy
Maxine Walden: yes, Steve, you were saying earlier that you are interestingly not plagued by worry, just doing in the present...or 'being' in the present perhaps?
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Maxine Walden: interesting, Pila
Pila Mulligan: however, worry as a simple form of anxiety is probably more of a distraction than a sensitivity
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that was what I was speaking of
Maxine Walden: agree
Wol Euler nods.
stevenaia Michinaga: being alert and sencing things to come was not the "worry" topic I was refering to
Wol Euler: hello ewan
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ewan
Pila Mulligan: hi Ewan
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey all who came after max :)
stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Ewan
Ewan Bonham: Hi folks...
Pila Mulligan: a tale I was once told is of Muhammed on his death bed and his last question was 'have I offended anyone'? -- that seems to be a common form of sensitivity
Ewan Bonham: Especially as we are ready to go to the eternal...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Ewan
Maxine Walden: wb,Yaku
Ewan Bonham: Hi Max..
Pila Mulligan: hi Yaku
--BELL--
Maxine Walden: quiet may be a response to needless worry
Pila Mulligan: healthy worry can have a loosening effect on personal energy, kind of like yawning -- keeping the flow of internal energy active instead of letting it stagnate
Wol Euler smiles.
stevenaia Michinaga: or being lost in everythng else
Maxine Walden: such interesting perspectives we are encountering
Pila Mulligan: :)
Ewan Bonham: Hmmm..wonder what is th difference between healthy and unhealthy worry..:)
Pila Mulligan: the result :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: unhealthy for me would be if it´s in a state of confusion
stevenaia Michinaga: I wonder about (if there is) healthy worrying
Yakuzza Lethecus: in an undefinable worry
Yakuzza Lethecus: unexpressable
Pila Mulligan: like what has been called a lfoating anxiety, Yaku
Pila Mulligan: floating*
Pila Mulligan: Steve, again, the devial may be in the details of smeantics
Ewan Bonham: For me ANY worry would lead to anxiety..
Pila Mulligan: devil*
Ewan Bonham: So, I try to stay present and away from worry..
Pila Mulligan: but Ewan, for example, a genuine concern to be polite may lead you to be sensitive to how someone understands you wihtout really making you feel anxious
Pila Mulligan: trying to define, sematically, a distinction bewteen the two (worry and anxiety)
Maxine Walden: It is an interesting thought to me whether staying present sort of wards off undermining worry...but when I wander off or lose myself maybe worry sets in, maybe as a kind of signal, if I can read it...
Ewan Bonham: i agree Pila, but is THAT worry..
Pila Mulligan: ot me it can be, Ewan
Ewan Bonham: Concern and interest to me a presnt oriented..
Ewan Bonham: Worry always speculates on the future..
Pila Mulligan: yes, and that is how Maxine was seeing it too, it seems, a form of presence vs anbsence
Maxine Walden: hmm, yes, again different perspectives perhaps
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡
Pila Mulligan: I think worry is a nice term, if not associated with the dislocating aspect of anxiety
Pila Mulligan: let's improve *is* and say *can be* :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Pila Mulligan: (to worry about being understood)
Maxine Walden: yes, Pila, from your comments I am gathering that 'worry' for you does pertain to communication/understanding with others or perhpas with oneself
Pila Mulligan: yes
Maxine Walden: and anxiety may pertain to the more vague, less defined 'unknowns' perhaps
Pila Mulligan: for example, right now I am worrying through an invitation from some friends to join them at a restaurant for dinner baout 30 miles away -- it is rainy, I really do ont want to go out, but I do not want to miss an opportunity to see them ... what to do what to do :)
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: Hands Plia some valium, worries abated, now you just don;t care
Wol Euler: is that really worry, though, or just uncertainty?
Maxine Walden: conundrum, Pila
Pila Mulligan: :) thaks,. but still, what to do ?
Wol Euler: or indeed a conumdrum :)
Pila Mulligan: it is a decision
Maxine Walden: guess this is where one weighs the various elements and 'makes' the best decision possible, without knowing of course what that might be ; and indeed there probabaly is not a 'best' decision
Ewan Bonham: I now understand how you use the term 'worry'..
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: yes, judging the image is what it is called in the I Ching -- the image of the situation, leading to judgment followed by a decision -- and to me the idea of worry is an element of the whole contrmplation
Maxine Walden: I am going to have to go; interesting discussion...I think the autologger is working, but if there are still quirks, maybe someone can send me ther rest of the chatlog?
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you maxine
Maxine Walden: sorry I cannot stay, this would be an interesting discussion...the I Ching
stevenaia Michinaga: bye maxine
Maxine Walden: bye for now.
Wol Euler: bye maxine, take care
Pila Mulligan: bye for now
Ewan Bonham: bye Maxine..:)
Pila Mulligan: not to digress, but the thought fit there
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye max,pila
Pila Mulligan: I was juts saying bye to Maxine Yaku :)
Pila Mulligan: maybe another illustration would be a builder settigna plumb line
stevenaia Michinaga: so worrying leads to a decision
Pila Mulligan: the builder worries over the line before startng work to be sure it is correct
Wol Euler: is that worry, though? I think that is concern, attentiveness
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, actually we had an issue here the day before about a drilling in between the stages of the house if lines of the central heating might be there, we didn´t drill until now :P
Wol Euler: worry would be if he went back and checked it twenty-five times within two hours
Pila Mulligan: maybe that would eb anxiety in my semantics, Wol
Pila Mulligan: but resonable concern for the plumb, or the ducts in Yakus case, is not discombobulating
Pila Mulligan: its sensible
Ewan Bonham: Yes, reasonable concern..:)
Wol Euler: right, and if neither discombobulating nor un-sensible, then in *my* semantics it isn't worry :)
Pila Mulligan: ;0 cool
Pila Mulligan: ever had worry beads?
Wol Euler: worry is disabling, debilitating
stevenaia Michinaga: no
Wol Euler: nope
Pila Mulligan: "Komboloi worry beads resemble prayer beads, but, unlike them, bear no religious significance"
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worry_beads
Ewan Bonham: hmmm..
stevenaia Michinaga: :0
stevenaia Michinaga: :0
Pila Mulligan: "an instrument of relaxation and stress management"
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi qt
Pila Mulligan: hi QT
Wol Euler: hello qt
Qt Core: Hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: i need to bed
Yakuzza Lethecus: night everyone
Pila Mulligan: sleep well Yaku
Wol Euler: 'night yaku
Qt Core: 'night yaku
Wol Euler: take care
Pila Mulligan: worry beads suggests a possible correlation between worry and prayer
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: does religion and worry relate, worry about being "good" (judgement of others) or face the consequences
Pila Mulligan: probably
Pila Mulligan: and in that case anxiety certainly can enter the situation
Pila Mulligan: especially good in the judgement of others"
Pila Mulligan: hi Ags
Agatha Macbeth: Hello :)
Wol Euler: hello agatha
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Agatha
Ewan Bonham: Hi ags
Qt Core: Hi agatha
Pila Mulligan: [13:37] Maxine Walden: Nice to see you, we are talking about 'worry' and its value(s) negative and positive...
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: ty
Pila Mulligan: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: time to make dinner...
stevenaia Michinaga: see you soon
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: bye steve, bon appetit
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Qt Core: bye steve
Pila Mulligan: bye Steve
Qt Core: cooking is worrysome, will they like it, will it burn ? ;-)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: more galric :)
Agatha Macbeth: I know someone who has those problems :p
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: the secret is not to wander off and do other things while cooking (cough internet cough)
Agatha Macbeth: Multitask dear....
Qt Core: yes, i know that... not that i follow that advice ;-)
Wol Euler: multitasking with mono-awareness is not good :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ok then, put a microwave next to the computer
Wol Euler: O.O
Agatha Macbeth: Or on top
Wol Euler: get thee behind me, Satan.
Wol Euler: that is the beginning of the end.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: if I do that, I might as well put the refrigerator under my desk and fill it wiht cheap beer :)
Qt Core: all time i say i'll use the laptop in the kitchen and i always end up at my pc in my room
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah!
Agatha Macbeth: Needs must
Pila Mulligan: how many of us eat meals in front of the screen?
Wol Euler: only once, at work, under extreme duress
Agatha Macbeth: Me - all the time
Pila Mulligan: me too Ags, cool Wol
Qt Core: never
Pila Mulligan: better not to I'd sya, but I do it anyway
Qt Core: maybe once or twice in past 20 years
Agatha Macbeth: Well, Italians take food more seriously :)
Wol Euler: I fear that if I start doing that ... well I don't know what would happen. But the world would end in fire and ice.
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: well, then, thanks for refraining
Agatha Macbeth: But you wouldn't burn yer dinner, that is the point
Wol Euler: I'd need the oven next to my desk for that :)
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Get an extention :p
Qt Core: but i have a great tecnique not to do it, my desk iks too full to find space for a dish
Pila Mulligan: ahh, practical chaos
Agatha Macbeth: Or the practice of chaos
Wol Euler ponders. That is interesting. It's important to me not to eat at my desk, but I don't really know why.
Pila Mulligan: maybe you intuitively sense it is not healthy
Wol Euler: that is the hallmark of a piece of received and unexamined thought.
Agatha Macbeth: Mother training perhaps?
Wol Euler: I think it's mostly mentally or culturally unhealthy - for me - rather than physically
Wol Euler: even as a student I hated having to eat iin my room
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I never eat unless i've got a book or a monitor in front of me
Qt Core: lately i would not be able eve if i would, having to cook for family, but i always thought it waould be the "end of civilization" as it concede to a "drug" loosing structure
Pila Mulligan: Michael Pollan writes about healhty eatnig and includes where you eat as well as what
Wol Euler: I admit to reading while I eat :)
Pila Mulligan: he says it is a social ritual and should be treated a ssuch
Wol Euler: books or magazines
Wol Euler nods to Pila
Agatha Macbeth: Social rituals are irrelevant when you are alone tho
Qt Core: there is a big issue to clear before continuing do you eat alone ?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: usually, yse
Pila Mulligan: simultaneous thoughts
Agatha Macbeth: Probably just habit then
Qt Core: when not alone reading or chatting wopuld be very rude
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: the only distraction we admit at meals is the radio, usually the news, no tv in thc kitchen (where we eat too)
Agatha Macbeth: Everybody's different
Qt Core: thanks god for that ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Amen
Pila Mulligan: TV would be distracting from the natural pace at a family dinner table
Agatha Macbeth has forgotten waht a family dinner table is
Pila Mulligan: an ancient piece of furntiutre, like a board
Agatha Macbeth throws a cushion at Pila
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hey, come to think of it...this thing all my computer stuff is on IS the dining table
Agatha Macbeth: Or used to be
Wol Euler: ha
Pila Mulligan: lol
Pila Mulligan: in a prior lifetime
Wol Euler: recycling in plce
Wol Euler: *place
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, truly
Pila Mulligan: is this a form of cyberworld archaeology
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like it :)
Pila Mulligan: if you dig down carefully are there any crumbs?
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Nah, I hoovered em
Pila Mulligan: :)
--BELL--
Pila Mulligan must slip away to RL now, singing "grab your coat, and get your hat, leave your worry on the doorstep Just direct your feet, to the sunny side of the street..." :)
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Gene :)
Qt Core: bye pila
Wol Euler: bye pila, avoid the open pools of boiling lava
Pila Mulligan: bye for now
Agatha Macbeth: Aloha
Pila Mulligan: aloha `oe
Lugh Fehr: heys :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Lugh
Wol Euler: hello lugh
Qt Core: Hi Lugh
Lugh Fehr: :)
Lugh Fehr: you guys ever heard alan watts speak?
Agatha Macbeth: Who's Alan Watts?
Wol Euler: nope
Lugh Fehr: search him out on you tube i thinck you guys will like it hes a kind of western zen no bullshit master
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Lugh Fehr: verypropper english speaking kind of guy
Agatha Macbeth: Guess Buddhists come in all shapes n' sizes
Wol Euler: :)
Lugh Fehr: yep yep hehhe
Agatha Macbeth: Many seem to have bald heads I've noticed
Wol Euler: too much thinking, it overheats the follicles.
Lugh Fehr: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Kojak was a Buddhist?
Agatha Macbeth: Never heard him talk to Crocker about one hand clapping, so guess not
Lugh Fehr: heheh i just found a photo of kojak i thought he was a star wars guy
Agatha Macbeth: STAR WARS???
Lugh Fehr: hehehe kojak gargarbink you know kinda rings
Agatha Macbeth: That's Darth Vader
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Use the force baby
Lugh Fehr: hehehee
Lugh Fehr: right now im listening to sadhuguru talk he seems quite nice
Agatha Macbeth: Om
Lugh Fehr: heheh
Ewan Bonham: Thank you..may be bck later..:)
Wol Euler: bye ewan, take care
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Agatha Macbeth waves to Ewan
--BELL--
Qt Core: about the apod pic we got in the mail: http://spaceflightnow.com/station/exp25/101029cupola/
Wol Euler: New Orleans?
Qt Core: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, isn't it gorgeous?
Lugh Fehr: wow the earth is burning!!
Agatha Macbeth nods. That's us
Qt Core: yes, but... just imagine how many starts... you can't see due to all those light
Lugh Fehr: heheh
Qt Core: stars
Lugh Fehr: yes thats true
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, you can see the stats pretty well here
Lugh Fehr: people like childeren are afraid of the dark
Agatha Macbeth: I often go out for a look :)
Wol Euler nods
Lugh Fehr: yep saghguru is one of the good gurus
--BELL--
Qt Core: bedtime here
Wol Euler: 'notte, qt, take care
Lugh Fehr: gn qt
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao Qt :)
Qt Core: 'night all and have fun
Lugh Fehr: so who you guys thinck you are ? heheh
Agatha Macbeth: I'm me :)
Wol Euler: I'm her.
Lugh Fehr: hehehe but what part is you and what part is not?
Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
Lugh Fehr: ohh hehhee
Wol Euler: well, that's the question, isn't it?
Lugh Fehr: hehe well are your thoughs you? im really intreasted in what others thinck hehhe
Wol Euler: not nessarily my thoughts even, those are influenced for good or ill by those around me
Agatha Macbeth: If I'm not thinking them, who is?
Wol Euler: rather the non-thought contents of my mind
Lugh Fehr: consuisnes?
Wol Euler: my habits and impulses, the way I respond
Wol Euler: we are most ourslves in what we do automatically without thinking
Agatha Macbeth: I do an awful lot without thinking :(
Lugh Fehr: is your body you?
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's mine
Wol Euler: no
Wol Euler: I live in it, but it is not the source of my me-ness
Lugh Fehr: so that which is you is somthing unmatterial?
Agatha Macbeth: There are different bits of 'me'
Lugh Fehr: hehe groovy
Agatha Macbeth: The trick is making them a coherent whole
Wol Euler nods.
Lugh Fehr: is a tree part of you?
Agatha Macbeth: Not as far as I'm aware, no
Lugh Fehr: is your blood part of you?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Wol Euler: maybe
Wol Euler: I've never tried living without blood, so I can't tell.
Lugh Fehr: why is your blood part of you and the tree not?
Agatha Macbeth: But it can be taken out and put in
Wol Euler: simple: I can live without that tree, but not without blood
Lugh Fehr: but if all the trees in the world died you would have air to breath
Wol Euler: but I'd say the same about blood as about the body generally: it sustains my "me" but it does not have me-ness
Agatha Macbeth: What about the greenhouse effect?
Lugh Fehr: so you cant live whitout trees and in the same way you can live if i take out some of your blood
Wol Euler: I cannot live without any trees anywhere in the world, sure.
Wol Euler: so you might say that I am co-dependent on them
Wol Euler: sure
Wol Euler shrugs and smiels
Agatha Macbeth: I need them but they aren't part of me
Lugh Fehr: but your blood is you?
Agatha Macbeth: Not me, mine
--BELL--
Lugh Fehr: but why is the blood yours and the tree not?
Wol Euler: right, aggers, exactly.
Agatha Macbeth: The tree is not part of me
Lugh Fehr: but why ? you cannot see or feel blood nor move it like the tree and you cannot live whitout it like the tree
Agatha Macbeth: The tree and me are both part of the same ecosphere, but not of the same organism
Lugh Fehr: what is an organism?
Agatha Macbeth: A living thing
Lugh Fehr: then what is a living thing ?
Agatha Macbeth: An organism :)
Wol Euler: I don't know, what do you think?
Lugh Fehr: well science tells us an organisim is made up of cells
Agatha Macbeth nods
Lugh Fehr: and cells are filled whit organellas
Agatha Macbeth: That holds good for me and the tree
Lugh Fehr: little organs that where oce seperated but came living together as a comunity they in turn got toghethr alot of cells and created a body
Lugh Fehr: once*
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Lugh Fehr: and well the brain dies whitout the heart and the heart dies whitout the lungs
Agatha Macbeth: Also true
Lugh Fehr: the heart is the flow of blood the lungs is the flow of air
Lugh Fehr: the heart beats its self and the lungs also breathe them selfs
Wol Euler nods.
Lugh Fehr: blood we can live whit others blood instead of our own so their is no id no on it or anything same whit air
Lugh Fehr: and the other side of the lung is a tree which together form a flow of air boucing on each other
Lugh Fehr: and after all what makes the blood yours other then you put good use to it
Lugh Fehr: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I put good use to it :)
Wol Euler: perhaps because it carries my DNA rather than yours?
Lugh Fehr: what makes your dna yours? are you your body or is it yours?
Wol Euler waves the question aside.
Agatha Macbeth: Everyones DNA is diffrent
Lugh Fehr: their are creatures in your body that do not hold your dna but whitout them you die evryone has them in the guts and someother places are they you?
--BELL--
Wol Euler: I've no idea :) What do you think?
Agatha Macbeth: That's symbiosis isn't it?
Lugh Fehr: sory i dont know could be
Agatha Macbeth: I would imagine so, yes
Agatha Macbeth: But bacteria are not me
Lugh Fehr: so the dna is not your stamp that somthing is yours?
Wol Euler: 'night aggers, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now folks, sleep tight
Lugh Fehr: gn tanks for humering me :)
Lugh Fehr: hehehe i like asking too much questions hehhe
Wol Euler: that can be fine, as long as you recognize the right of the listeners to get pissed off about it once in a while :)
Lugh Fehr: heheh yeah it comes whit the trad
Lugh Fehr: e
Lugh Fehr: well as i heard someone say about philosofy @at least we got all the questions
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Wol Euler: I'm going to move on, Lugh, I need to get to bed.
Wol Euler: goodnight, think well :)
Lugh Fehr: gn sleep wells