The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden.

There would be many ways to think about the themes of this session; what occurred to me a few hours afterward was that the session demonstrated different responses to beauty, that which is aesthetically pleasing to the senses: specifically, the warm enthusiastic response to the Art as Being expo from the morning guardian session, and then right during this session the group's varying expressions to the unwavering presence of a beautiful, naked woman avi who seemed unable to sit down, and so captured and held the eye of nearly every avi present. Engrossing? Distracting? Nourishing?  The reader can surmise the varying responses to these two (and maybe more) expressions of 'beauty.'

Lugh Fehr: hey bruce

Lugh Fehr: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Lugh. Hey, Maxine.
Maxine Walden: hi, Bruce
Maxine Walden: did Blub like the Art as Being this morning? I enjoyed your avi.
Bruce Mowbray: It was a lot of fun, yes.
Maxine Walden: enjoyed your Tree
Bruce Mowbray: Did you see the gallery of photos I posted?
Maxine Walden: no, I didn't Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: just a sec. . .
Bruce Mowbray: www.hermitdog.com/pab_dropping/Gallery.htm
Maxine Walden: ah, thanks
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Wol.
Wol Euler: hello bruce, lugh, eliza, maxine
Lugh Fehr: nice pictures
Wol Euler: hello mick
Maxine Walden: yes
Lugh Fehr: hey mick
Mickorod Renard: hi guys
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, glad you liked them.
Wol Euler: .
Eliza Madrigal apologizes for the crazy hand movements... haha... And yes *wonderful* pictures Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Wol Euler: yes, well done :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Freud
Freud Jungsten: heya
Bruce Mowbray: Folks, I've gotta take this bad cold to bed. . . Sorry to leave so soon. . . but. . .
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Bruce, another cold :(
Eliza Madrigal: Feel beter
Bruce Mowbray: I was just explaining that I've got and cold and must leave.
Mickorod Renard: I thought it was lovely to meet up and get together over the art expo
Bruce Mowbray: May all be well and happy.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, you too.
Freud Jungsten: ciao
Eliza Madrigal: quite amazing how well that was put together
Maxine Walden: the art expo, Eliza?
Mickorod Renard: yes, but more than anything I loved the sense of community
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: agree, Mick
Maxine Walden: yes, the community was wonderful
Wol Euler is sorry to have missed it.
Maxine Walden: :)
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful photo though Wol, you were there :)
Mickorod Renard: Wol, you wre there in spirit..I sensed it
Eliza Madrigal: very daring dropping :)
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Maxine Walden: one of the lovely things was the expression of such creativity...
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku
Brian Roop: hello all, sorry i'm late
Maxine Walden: hi, Brian
Maxine Walden: we are just gathering in a manner of speaking
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: nice dress Wol
Wol Euler: ty
Maxine Walden: yes, Wol, has a wonderful wardrobe!
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: I'd be glad to take you shopping, Maxine :)
Wol Euler: or anyone else
Maxine Walden: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes and Maxine... you are back to 'normal'
--BELL--
Maxine Walden: yes, not sure how that happened, getting the stripes off of me, or on me, for that matter...unsure how 'normal' happens :)

Enter the beautiful naked avi

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi!
Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks Lugh
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi rhi
Wol Euler: hello rhiannon
Maxine Walden: hi, Rhiannon
Eliza Madrigal: wonder of SL, Maxine

Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Yakuzza!

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi wolf
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi maxine
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi eliza!
Wol Euler barks.
Lugh Fehr: hey rhiannon
Mickorod Renard: hi Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm on a text only viewer, so i can't see you or move, but i can see the text and respond
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Mickorod!
Wol Euler: still having lag troubles, Rhi?
Mickorod Renard: nice wardrobe Rhi
Brian Roop: um, once i thought I was dressed but I wasn't, has same happened to you Rhi?
Wol Euler grins.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, but this time, its because my good computer is being used for schoolwork by a gf
Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks Mick
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: Brian, no, i never wear clothes
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi arabella!
Brian Roop: oh
Maxine Walden: difficult not to have Rhiannon in the center of the picture...hmm, may be distracting from other things on our minds...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ara
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Rhiannon Dragoone: Most of the people here know me, and know that. :)
Lugh Fehr: hey ara
Brian Roop: nothing else on my mind at the moment
Mickorod Renard: hi Ara
Rhiannon Dragoone laughs at Brian
Maxine Walden: hi, ara
Wol Euler: hello ara
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: you are sweet, Sugar
Yakuzza Lethecus: if anyone would like to have a little impression of the event this afternoon:
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://de.xfire.com/video/3ad2e2/
Wol Euler: we had started talking about the art exhibition and the sense of community at the opening event this afternoon
Wol Euler: thanks, yaku
arabella Ella: oh yes i am so sorry i could not make it
arabella Ella: sounds like it was a very good event
Maxine Walden: yes, it was a wonderful exhibit
Rhiannon Dragoone: yes, i can't see atm, so i didn't attend, but it sounded nice
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes dropping is 'not avoiding' maybe... was wondering about this today while in Starbucks avoiding someone... without disclosing details, think dropping has to mean staying with discomfort sometimes
Rhiannon Dragoone: And i've been to exhibits where the ppl are brought together by it
arabella Ella: could you say more Eliza pls about what you take dropping to be?
Mickorod Renard: come on Wol,,strip
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, think it can be so many things
Maxine Walden: yes, Eliza, staying with discomfort...
arabella Ella: :)
Lugh Fehr: hihihi
Rhiannon Dragoone: dropping, as in defriending someone? Or what?
arabella Ella: more like dropping pretences and imagines methinks
arabella Ella: and assumptions etc
Eliza Madrigal: precisely Ara
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: de frocking,,that would be dropping
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, ok You mean like being naked in front of others?
Rhiannon Dragoone winks
Eliza Madrigal: haha... yes in a way
Rhiannon Dragoone: that's a little hard in SL,as we start with representations of ourselves
arabella Ella: but naked only gets rid of one aspect of 'image' and creates another
Rhiannon Dragoone: But I did have this avi custom made to reflect how I look in RL; tht's why the galsses, for one thing
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, yes, because of the social connotations
Mickorod Renard: wow,,do you live near me by any chance?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: So dropping pretenses is in a social context
arabella Ella: also personal internal spiritual Rhi
Maxine Walden: we usually try to go beyond RL appearances here, Rhia, realizing thre is so much more
Rhiannon Dragoone: Mick, i knew you would; that's why i say in my profle, no mixing sl and rl. ::wags her finger at him::
Eliza Madrigal: Well in my case there is someone dear to me who lately wants to give lots of opinions and rather than tell them to stop I seem to be hiding...
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: in Starbucks :)
Mickorod Renard: he he ,,darn
Wol Euler: not a coffee drinker, then?
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Wol Euler: (the other person)
arabella Ella: nice place to hide Eliza
Rhiannon Dragoone: Maxine, i did that for a while, and i do have non-human avi's; but i'm an augmentist on this issue now
Eliza Madrigal: someone who would not pay $4 for coffee I'm sure
Wol Euler: hello bleu
Rhiannon Dragoone: WB Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)))
Maxine Walden: hi, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
Lugh Fehr: hey star and belu
Wol Euler: it's a kind of social filter then :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Bleu!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, pretenses? Or dropping them? Both could be
Wol Euler: (replying to Eliza)
Mickorod Renard: I guess we all get lost in our own lil stories
Eliza Madrigal: yes guess so..
Rhiannon Dragoone: Mick, but when our narratives merge, it can be wonderful; and connected
arabella Ella imagines Eliza hiding behind a newspaper in Starbucks
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: or laptop
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: Bleu, thank you for organizing the art exhibition and the show today
Rhiannon Dragoone: But can we drop all pretenses? i wear make up; heels, and even my glasses say something about me
arabella Ella: nursing a copy and peeping from behind newspaper or laptop
Wol Euler: why do you say that they are pretenses?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Bleu, yes, sorry i couldn't go; i'm blind at the moment
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: yw! fun event :)
Lugh Fehr: what pretences are you talkin about? im a bit slow today ...(tiered)
Mickorod Renard: I think its hard to drop all, as often you are concious that you are trying to drop them,,which is still an attachment
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, good point
Eliza Madrigal: Dropping can be a lot of fun though, like this morning :) I'm still so impressed even with the setting you managed BLeu
Wol Euler: hello Jan
Bleu Oleander: ty Eliza :))
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello jan
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Jan :)
Lugh Fehr: hey jan
Wol Euler: hvae you been here before, Jan?
Eliza Madrigal: (think Maxine may be stuck :( )
Mickorod Renard: a clarity through observing these attachments does allow some extra perspective though
Jan Qualia: yes thanks
Jan Qualia: Hi
Wol Euler: ok
Rhiannon Dragoone: re hi!
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you again Jan
Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Jan
Eliza Madrigal: now Rhi is clothed...
arabella Ella: Hiya Jan
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: cloud clothes for a moment :)
Maxine Walden: no I am here, just trying to keep up with things, themes, distractions...
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) your hands were suspended in mid air for me for a few moments :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: hey, Maxine
Maxine Walden: and how/whether to address some of the distractions...
Rhiannon Dragoone: glad i'm not the only one with trouble
Jan Qualia: Hi Rhiannon
Jan Qualia: I never get to your meetings because they are at impossible hour for me
Maxine Walden: ah, yes, I may feel a bit in mid-air, Eliza, as sometimes distractions do that...leave us in mid-air...
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Eliza Madrigal: think I'm inspired to go home and face my potential visitor...
Wol Euler: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: But back to pretenses--when do representations of the self end and pretenses begin?
Wol Euler: "sometimes dropping is 'not avoiding' maybe..."
Wol Euler: nice thought
Jan Qualia: pretence of what ?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: That's why i broiught up the idea of avi's, like mine is an attmpt to be an accsurate rep, but i had one which was taller, more Amazonia, as that was an ideal of mine
Jan Qualia: ah I see
Rhiannon Dragoone: Hair down to my knees; i'd carry a bow and arrow with it
Wol Euler: dropping the idea that life should be comfortable and free of irritatoin :)
Eliza Madrigal: yup
arabella Ella: oh i remember that one Rhi
Wol Euler: ask yourself what you can learn from your visitor, perhaps :)
Eliza Madrigal: sigh... okay... and plus here the sun is in my eyes so maybe I'm dropping one irritation for another
Eliza Madrigal: (giggle)
Yakuzza Lethecus: wol: that reminded me of storms presentation today
Lugh Fehr: what if life can be free from irritations and conftible
Wol Euler: please tell
Eliza Madrigal: it is all material, and wow what a good point Ya
Rhiannon Dragoone nods at arabella
Yakuzza Lethecus: he brought the methaphor of ,,before enlightenment: chopping wood and carrying water"
Rhiannon Dragoone: Yakuzza, storm?
Yakuzza Lethecus: after enlightenment: chopping wood and carrying water
Maxine Walden: Rhia, you may not be aware how arresting it is to human attention to see a beautiful nake body...and that it may be distracting for us who are trying to open our minds to more subtle issues of concern, pain, uncertainty...
Wol Euler chuckles.
Rhiannon Dragoone: Did i miss *another* presentation
Mickorod Renard: I think the pretenses become part of your character,,but if one chooses to filter out the pretenses then maybe they can be alienated from character,
Wol Euler: agree, maxine.
Maxine Walden: distracting to see you so naked here and seemingly so comfortabley so...
Freud Jungsten: Or we could all just get naked.
arabella Ella: isnt it just pixels? or not?
Maxine Walden: As human beings our attention is drawn to your body rather than to the other things we might wish to discuss or share
Yakuzza Lethecus: rhi: storm nordwind is a member here
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, i'd normally sit down, as that would make it less distracting, but for my viewer
Bleu Oleander: who judges pretenses or not? the same self that created the pretenses?
Rhiannon Dragoone: And storm had a presentation? When?
Wol Euler: no, ara, not pixels. People meeting, talking.
Yakuzza Lethecus: it was part of the presentations at the art project
Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, and yes, there is representation though; so its not just pixels; at a subconsciious level, we are all real to each other according to our representation
Eliza Madrigal: seems to be about context
Lugh Fehr: gn people im too tiered to keep both my eyes open hehehe gn laters tnx for chat
arabella Ella: nite Lugh
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite, lugh!
Maxine Walden: bye Lugh
Eliza Madrigal: By Lugh :)
Jan Qualia: bye Lugh
Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks for the tp
Wol Euler: right, Rhi, which is why the questoin of *appropriateness* applies
Eliza Madrigal: Bye*
Bleu Oleander: bye Lugh
Mickorod Renard: bye lugh
Jan Qualia: maybe we try to put people into categories by their appearance?
Eliza Madrigal nods... what makes sense in what setting and how we connect or choose not to...
Bleu Oleander: maybe??
Jan Qualia: instead of always staying open to them
Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, appropriateness?
Wol Euler: yes, rhi, whether behaviour is appropriate or not in a particular context
--BELL--
Rhiannon Dragoone: Could you give an exmple, Wol? 
Mickorod Renard: I think the whole thing is deeper than just personal preferences/pretenses..its an expectation brought about by conditioning throgh our upbringing,,,to deal with the matter is a case for unpicking life down to the bone
Mickorod Renard: oops sorry
Rhiannon Dragoone: Mick, yeah, there is depth to the idea of pretenses, dropping them, and appropriate behavor
Jan Qualia: but if we can stick people into a neat category it might be easier to deal with them
Eliza Madrigal: considering a larger context then Mick... and that informing our own ?
Bleu Oleander: (slips out ... rl calls ... bye everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, thank you again
Wol Euler: byebleu, take care
Mickorod Renard: I think its deeper than we may percieve,,trying to observe the depth though is fun,,and informative
Rhiannon Dragoone: nite Bleu!
Mickorod Renard: niet bleu
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, at core there is the question of authenticity, and choice of being, trying to take rsponsbility for our presentations of self
Jan Qualia: how do we know if we are being authentic or not?
Mickorod Renard: its dificult to even be honest these days,,society expects us to be other wise
Wol Euler: ... but aware that we are not alone in the world, but live with others in a context
Jan Qualia: we aren't very authentic in SL are we?
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: that is entirely up to you, Jan
Rhiannon Dragoone: Jan, good question, but if Sartre is right, we just do; we know if we're in bad faith; we're transparent to ourselves, even if we try to had that from ourselves
arabella Ella: depends Jan on which angle you look at it
Wol Euler: if you wish to be authentic, you can. If you wish not to be, you can.
Rhiannon Dragoone: Jan, there are levels of authentic--again not to be self referential, but my old avi vs my new one
Jan Qualia: it's the exagerreted role playing Satre complained about though?
Mickorod Renard: Jan, strangely enough,,I think sl allows us a freedom to express ourselves more openly
Wol Euler: I've no idea. What did he say?
Eliza Madrigal nods
arabella Ella: how important is appearance though to you?
Jan Qualia: the waiter just absolutely submerged himself in his role
arabella Ella: if there not much more to avis than mere appearance?
arabella Ella: *is
Jan Qualia: don't see many overweight people in SL
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, true
Eliza Madrigal: appearances are reflections... some take more or less time for various reasons perhaps... reflecting either themselves or ideas, etc... perhaps
Rhiannon Dragoone: Jan, well i have; Dar Innes of PH has an overweight, balding avi; like his appernace in rl
arabella Ella: i personally find and recognise quite a few authentic voices coming through on SL regardless of appearance
Eliza Madrigal: agree Ara
Jan Qualia: but if no appearance we could ust use a chat forum?
Mickorod Renard: appearance can be multi layered,,there is the impression you may be trying to impress on others, which may be misrepressented..and then maybe the the arty side of your likes, which is expressionism of your character
Jan Qualia: the appearance makes it all so much more interesting
Rhiannon Dragoone: well, the 3 D aspect adds to the communication
Wol Euler: Sl has not killed chat forums, jan, tehy still exist and people still use them
Eliza Madrigal: images are words of sorts.. containers or screens...
Wol Euler: Facebook for example
Jan Qualia: true I guess
Wol Euler: twitter
Jan Qualia: they should all be in here :)
Eliza Madrigal: oh don't remind me that there is facebook please...haha
Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, and SL is a chat forum; it is for me right now cuz i can't see you all
arabella Ella: why not Rhi?
Jan Qualia: wht Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: facebook is a terrible temptation to say hello to too many people every day :)
Mickorod Renard: I try and simplify matters with clear definitions,,not being an academic,,bullshit is one measure I use
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, on a text only viewer atm
Jan Qualia: true
arabella Ella: ah
Jan Qualia: a time thief
Rhiannon Dragoone: that's why i'm standing here and not moving; not sitting with the rest of you
arabella Ella: ok now i see
Jan Qualia: interesting BS
arabella Ella: is it on a mobile phone then your chat viewer?
Eliza Madrigal: ah, Mick you have a magical bs ruler ? :)
Rhiannon Dragoone: i'm not intentially trying to be rude
Rhiannon Dragoone: no, my laptop is doing funny things with my full viewers
Mickorod Renard: yes, its both metric and imperial
arabella Ella: oh
Eliza Madrigal: I should go... decided to thirty minutes ago :) hehe Mick
Rhiannon Dragoone: But i'm getting authentic impressions of everyone, cuz we're all focusing in on ideas
Maxine Walden: Rhia, maybe you cannot see us, but are you aware how your naked avi can be so distracting to our human minds that it really is controlling the conversation? As in other instances if intense sensory input, it is difficult to have a calm open mind when there is a significant sensory 'distraction'?
Rhiannon Dragoone: TC Eiza
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza..enjoy your day
Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone, thank you Maxine and everyone
Jan Qualia: bye Eliza take care
Maxine Walden: bye Eliza
arabella Ella: bye Eliza
Maxine Walden: thanks for coming
Rhiannon Dragoone: Maxine, most are not focusing in on it, from the chat log
Rhiannon Dragoone: And if i were to sit, it woiuld be different; i know, i go through the grid this way
Wol Euler: Rhi, I agree with Maxine. Your appearance is discomfiting and inappropriate.
Jan Qualia: I found Rhi's nakedness a bit distracting first time I met her
Mickorod Renard: I am only focussed on one bit anyway
Wol Euler: it would indeed be different if you could sit, but as you can't it is not.
Jan Qualia: but you get used to it
Maxine Walden: I need to mention this as a possible compass bearing for those who generally attend these sessions
Rhiannon Dragoone: ok, then, i will leave Wol
Wol Euler: ty
Jan Qualia: it is just not seen often in RL is all
Rhiannon Dragoone: i don't have this problem at Thinkers, Fullfillment or Bookstacks
arabella Ella: i too got accustomed to seeing Rhi
Wol Euler: I'm glad to hear it
Rhiannon Dragoone: They don't evern realize that i am naked
Rhiannon Dragoone: Even invite me to places, forgetting about it
--BELL--
Wol Euler: I've seen you here too, and it was not a problem.
Mickorod Renard: before you go,,can I ust take a picki
Rhiannon Dragoone: So i will leave now, and not come back
Wol Euler: you're missing the point, Rhi.
Rhiannon Dragoone: no, i'm not
Wol Euler shrugs.
Rhiannon Dragoone: You find my lifestyle choice to be distracting, it makes yu uncomfortable, and i can go to other meetings where i can participate and that not be the case
Rhiannon Dragoone: So why should i share here, then?
Jan Qualia: you are desensitizing us to nakedness Rhi
Rhiannon Dragoone: Jan, i thought so too
Maxine Walden: I would be surprised, Rhia, if others did not notice it, as we all are drawn to the beautiful naked body...but for our discussions it is distracting.
Rhiannon Dragoone: That happened at Philosophy House
Rhiannon Dragoone: Maxine, well, then you can enjoy your discussions without me
Maxine Walden: This experience today will provide lots of food for thought about our reactions, etc. You are welcome to return, in my view, with clothing which does not distract us as it has today.
Wol Euler: or at a time when you can sit, as you did before.
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, Maxine, you have your lack of self control to reflect upon and i have my life style choice and statement
Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, ok, wol, if i'm welcome here if i sit, that's fine
Maxine Walden: Indeed, each of us has our own experience to reflect upon
Rhiannon Dragoone: And you all are welcome to my discussions, except of course Maxine, as she would be too distracted by my nudity to appreciate them
Wol Euler: I'm getting tired of this.
Mickorod Renard: I like your nakedness Rhi, but in the light of the uneasiness, I have to add that we do exersise some agreement to try and blend in here, and be more accomodating to the wider needs
Jan Qualia: but you always have tem at about 3 am my time
Rhiannon Dragoone: Jan, i'm sorry; i had one at 1pm slt on Friday
Rhiannon Dragoone: 40 ppl shoed up; not one distracted by my life style
Jan Qualia: was interested in 'On Liberty'
Rhiannon Dragoone: any, enjoy ur discussion; i guess i am just a little too authentic for you all.
Jan Qualia: was that one of yours?
Maxine Walden: I am going to need to leave.
Rhiannon Dragoone: yes, that was Jan
arabella Ella: may i have an invite Rhi pls?
Rhiannon Dragoone: Max, don't leave on my accoiunt; i'm leaving
Rhiannon Dragoone: arabella, i can't atm, but i'll take your name down, and when i'm in a full viewer, i will certainly invite you
Rhiannon Dragoone: All of you who want to come, even Maxine
Jan Qualia: Old JS Mill's Harm principle
Maxine Walden: no, I have to go, in any event. Stimulating discussion :)
Maxine Walden: bye all.
Rhiannon Dragoone: i thought so too
Jan Qualia: bye Maxine
Mickorod Renard: ty, Ara, maybe you could pass it on to me
arabella Ella: thanks Rhi I used to attend in the past
Mickorod Renard: bye Max
arabella Ella: of course Mick
Rhiannon Dragoone: i know, arabella, and you contributed well
arabella Ella: ty
Jan Qualia: I read his book on feminism
Mickorod Renard: I have to leave now anyway
Jan Qualia: was way ahead of his time
Jan Qualia: 'On the subjection of women' I think it was called
Mickorod Renard: share a taxi Rhi?
Jan Qualia: bye Mick
Mickorod Renard: ok guys,,see u around
Wol Euler: bye mick
Mickorod Renard: bye
arabella Ella: i gtg too ... share a taxi with Ara Mick :)
Wol Euler: bye ara
arabella Ella: bye everyone good night!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Jan Qualia: bye all
Wol Euler: well, that was fun :-/
Wol Euler: bye jan, take care
Wol Euler: nice boots :)
Wol Euler: and I guess it's just me and thee, dear Recorder.
Wol Euler: is it really unreasonable to believe that groups have a context, and that this has value?
Wol Euler: Does one person's lifestyle choice take precedence over everyone else?
Wol Euler: And if so, how do we avoid anarchy?
Wol Euler: Rhi missed the point. It's not about naked, it's about context.
--BELL--
Wol Euler: Well, this is interesting: Rhi IMed me as I wrote that last line, and we are discussing the situation quite calmly.
--BELL--
Wol Euler: we agreed that she would remain seated next time.
Wol Euler: we
Wol Euler: we'll see whether that is a workable compromise.