2011.02.08 01:00 - Almost full circle

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

    This last Being session was quite full, and it also went on for a while after I had to go away.

    Wester Kiranov: hi alf
    Wester Kiranov: hi arch
    Alfred Kelberry: meep!
    --BELL--
    Alfred Kelberry: hi, wester
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya all
    Alfred Kelberry: archy
    Archmage Atlantis: wasn't expecting to be here
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Eggs
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh good, I can sit like a guy on this cushion
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Alfie, Wester
    Archmage Atlantis: I see you are still wearing your pan pipes boxy
    Wester Kiranov: i think you can sit like a guy on all cushions here
    Archmage Atlantis: Nope
    Archmage Atlantis: There is one I can't
    Alfred Kelberry: woly!!! :)
    Wester Kiranov: must be a bug then
    Archmage Atlantis: hey, hey Wol
    Wester Kiranov: hi wol
    Wol Euler: hello arch, wester, boxy, egg
    Alfred Kelberry: little furry turned into a beautiful woman :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: someone must have kissed you
    Wol Euler: not telling :)
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you know the origin of the word "bug" in computer programming W
    Wol Euler: remind me?
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Wester Kiranov: wasn't it real bug when computers were still huge?
    Alfred Kelberry: i think it was a moth
    Archmage Atlantis: Go for it boxy
    Archmage Atlantis: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: it was a moth
    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It got into the vacumm tubes
    Wester Kiranov: the tubes themselves? that can't have been easy
    Archmage Atlantis: That was before cold rooms
    Archmage Atlantis: And isolated floors
    Archmage Atlantis: No one knew it could happen
    Wester Kiranov: As you might know, today is our last official being session (at this time)
    Wester Kiranov: or Being
    Wol Euler: ?
    Archmage Atlantis: upBeing, wow.....no wonder Nimbus woke me u[
    Wester Kiranov: For the last few weeks, we've had theme sessions about Being.
    Wol Euler: oh, right, yes. Sorry. I am so seldom here at this time
    Archmage Atlantis: That or the fact I forgot to turn on his heating pad
    Archmage Atlantis: one of those
    Wester Kiranov: It basically means that we go round the circle once, and everyone can say what they feel like saying about Being, about what it means right now
    Wester Kiranov: without being interrupted
    Archmage Atlantis: k
    Wol Euler: hello cal
    Wester Kiranov: hi cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi ! How goes it?
    Wester Kiranov: You're just in time for our Being theme session
    Wester Kiranov: Do I have to explain agian, or have you been to one before?
    Calvino Rabeni: Up to you Wester. I like to hear it over again, like a bedtime story :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wester Kiranov: Just the short version then :)
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, http://t.xalan.org/woly.jpg :)
    Alfred Kelberry: hey, cal
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wester Kiranov: We go round the circle once, and everyone says what s/he wants to about Being, as it is right here & now
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, who's next?
    Wester Kiranov: Any volunteers to go first?
    Alfred Kelberry: cal
    Wol Euler: I think boxy just volunteered
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Wester Kiranov: ;D
    Alfred Kelberry: cal's got the talking stick
    Archmage Atlantis: rudek but give it a go Alfie
    --BELL--
    Alfred Kelberry: *saved by the bell*
    Archmage Atlantis: Not really
    Alfred Kelberry: ah! archy spoke during the bell! your turn now :P
    Archmage Atlantis: the bell is a pause, not an end
    Archmage Atlantis: nice try, Alfie
    Wester Kiranov: As none of you seems to be raring to go, shall I start?
    Wol Euler: I'm waiting for Boxy to say something
    Alfred Kelberry: meep!
    Wol Euler slaps you.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: hello egg
    Archmage Atlantis: I one knew a personwho often said meep......go for it Wester.....my vote
    Wester Kiranov: hi egg salad. Are you joining us?
    Wester Kiranov: We're going to start the Being theme session now. Have you heard the explanations?
    eggsalad Ormstein: I have visited many times, yes
    Wester Kiranov: I meant about these particular theme sessions, not about PaB in general
    eggsalad Ormstein: oh sorry. guess not
    Archmage Atlantis: I go many places, hear many things
    Archmage Atlantis: I would appreciate a recap
    Wester Kiranov: We'll go round the circle and each say our thoughts on Being, without interruptions.
    Wester Kiranov: You'll be last, so you can probably get a good idea from the rest.
    Wester Kiranov: Here we go, then.

    Wester
    Wester Kiranov: Being is at this moment associated with space, for me
    Wester Kiranov: Being is what is, as is, but also how all this is embedded in possibility
    Wester Kiranov: And PaB helps me to see that, see the spaciousness
    Wester Kiranov: There is room for everything, and too often you don't see that and it all feels cramped
    Wester Kiranov: then you can sit down, and breathe, and let the spacetime in
    Wester Kiranov: Arch, your turn


    Wol Euler waves to Sam.
    oO0Oo Resident slips in and listens quietly, waving to everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello O
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Or Sam, as you may prefer

    Archmage
    Archmage Atlantis: Being
    oO0Oo Resident: being
    oO0Oo Resident: ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: A difficut concept
    Archmage Atlantis: I apologize for not having the typing animation on
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Being, at this moment, is being open to what each entity in this circle says.
    Archmage Atlantis: ding
    Archmage Atlantis: Being for me
    Archmage Atlantis: is to be with each of you
    Archmage Atlantis: while beiing alone
    Archmage Atlantis: with my cat
    Archmage Atlantis: my fish
    Archmage Atlantis: my parrokeets
    Archmage Atlantis: and the animals in the outside
    Archmage Atlantis: To be aware there are many ways of being
    Archmage Atlantis: That there are many responses to the same question
    Archmage Atlantis: Even if Wester passed out or went to sleep
    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Pass to Wol

    Wol
    Wol Euler: ty arch
    Wol Euler: if we are to talk about today, about right now, Being means delight.
    Wol Euler: it means being open for the wonder and beauty of every new moment, and also (especially) of the old moments that we had stopped examining through familiarity
    Wol Euler: *assumed* familiarity
    Wol Euler: wonder (wonderfulness, things worthy of being wondered over) ...
    Wol Euler: ... is as common as house dust
    Wol Euler: but we don't notice it.
    Wol Euler: Being takes away the blinkers and shines a light on that which always surrounded us, to show us newness in that which we thought old.
    Wol Euler: (done)


    Alfred Kelberry: well said, woly
    Wol Euler: ty
    Wol Euler: hello korel, nice to see you again :)
    Korel Laloix: Heya.
    Wol Euler: speaking of newness in old :)
    Alfred Kelberry: corel draw
    oO0Oo Resident: Korel :)
    Korel Laloix: Never played with that program....
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: Corel Draw
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: But probably a poor choice of AV names.... not as bad as Freud was though....
    Wester Kiranov: hi korel. We're doing a theme session, and taking turns to talk
    oO0Oo Resident: a little slow, but I got it Boxy
    Korel Laloix: OH sorry.
    Wol Euler: boxy is running away from his turn to speak :-P
    Wester Kiranov: np
    Korel Laloix: There is style in that.

    Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: what? me? never!
    Alfred Kelberry: i just like moving around
    Alfred Kelberry: cal, your turn :)

    Wol Euler: cal?

    Calvino

    Calvino Rabeni: Being ...
    Calvino Rabeni: I usually have a prepared statement in my pocket ... but was unaware this was going to be a theme session
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: read us the un-prepared statement then
    Korel Laloix: What is the theam?
    Calvino Rabeni: Usually I wait for being to come to me
    Archmage Atlantis: Read the statement, then be
    Wol Euler: I'll IM you, Korel
    Korel Laloix: theme
    Calvino Rabeni: but in the interests of politeness
    Korel Laloix: wado
    Calvino Rabeni: Being is a small bird that lights on a branch when I'm looking at a cloud
    Calvino Rabeni: and wondering when it qualified as having a different shape
    Calvino Rabeni: it seems that it requires the ability to notice "in between" moments in time
    Calvino Rabeni: which only happens when I pay attention
    --BELL--
    Calvino Rabeni: During the pause I was ready for something new to come into "being" because I wasn't busy typing
    Archmage Atlantis: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: if something new had come in while I was typing, chances are I wouldn't have had the attention to register it
    Calvino Rabeni: (end)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Alfred Kelberry: egg?

    eggsalad
    eggsalad Ormstein: being, as we're discussing it, is the simple result of intelligence, which led to leisure time
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes zen*
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    eggsalad Ormstein: with time on our hands, the opportunity was granted to posit on various subjects
    eggsalad Ormstein: so much so, that we named our species as "... being" to differentiate us from animals with less free time
    eggsalad Ormstein: Crazy, ain't it? (end)


    Wol Euler: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: No, egg, it is on point
    eggsalad Ormstein: on point... and a crazy idea at the same time
    Archmage Atlantis: agree
    Zen Arado: think some animals seem to have a lot of leisure time
    Wester Kiranov: Korel, your turn (we can discuss things later)
    Zen Arado: cats for instance
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Zen

    Korel

    Korel Laloix: I think being is a neccesary by-product of the gift of existance bestowed upon us by the Great Spirit... and from out of our being.. that is where are responsibilitities flow from. I think our responsibilities more define us then our hobies or past times. (end) (end)
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, cats are all about leisure and indulgence
    Korel Laloix: NOt in the wild though.
    Wol Euler nods to Korel.
    Korel Laloix: Cats are killing machines in the wild.
    Wester Kiranov: discussion after the circle please... samud/oO
    Zen Arado: sorry
    Zen Arado: didn't realize
    Alfred Kelberry: *pokes zen again*

    oO0Oo
    oO0Oo Resident: wild
    oO0Oo Resident: being
    oO0Oo Resident: not pssed
    oO0Oo Resident: super im
    oO0Oo Resident: posed*
    oO0Oo Resident: and spelled
    oO0Oo Resident: in train
    oO0Oo Resident: of flow
    oO0Oo Resident: prepared not
    oO0Oo Resident: horese radish
    oO0Oo Resident: so not is
    oO0Oo Resident: prepared to be
    oO0Oo Resident: this
    oO0Oo Resident: here now
    oO0Oo Resident: with crazy joy
    oO0Oo Resident: and breathing trees
    Archmage Atlantis: say what you need to say in your own language O
    oO0Oo Resident: pause[done]


    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: nice :)
    Wester Kiranov: very poetic.
    Wester Kiranov: zen now

    Zen
    Zen Arado: being
    Zen Arado: just is
    Zen Arado: what we are
    Zen Arado: but we ad so much
    Zen Arado: to survive
    Zen Arado: but we add too much
    Zen Arado: and then it troubles us
    Zen Arado: too much thinking
    Zen Arado: ...
    Zen Arado: done


    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wester Kiranov: ty all, very nice
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Do i get to hop on the table ( or fontain) now?
    Wol Euler gets out a L$ for your garter belt
    Archmage Atlantis: The last session for "Being"
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet we all are
    Archmage Atlantis: So we are all Being
    Alfred Kelberry: *imagines woly dancing on a table*
    Archmage Atlantis: The difference is that we know we are
    Wester Kiranov: I think there will be more sessions at different times still, but yes, we do not depend on those for Being
    Wester Kiranov: I have to go now. Have a nice discussion and feel free to hop on/in the fountain
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Wester!
    eggsalad Ormstein: bye wester. thanks for hosting
    Zen Arado: bye Wester
    Wester Kiranov: namaste
    Wol Euler: bye wester, take care.
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Zen Arado: I have to go
    eggsalad Ormstein: peace, zen
    Zen Arado: bye all
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Zen...tc
    Wol Euler: bye zen, enjoy the day
    Korel Laloix: do na da go hv i
    oO0Oo Resident: great spirit... responsibility
    oO0Oo Resident: how to be here
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Wol Euler nods
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to go home also,,,,in SL......Hikari is special to me....any of you who choose to come are welcome
    Korel Laloix: I am not sure I know really what the purpose of that chat was... so my views might have been at a diferent angle.
    Wol Euler: bye arch
    Korel Laloix: Ciao
    Calvino Rabeni: Goodnight Archmage
    oO0Oo Resident: Hikari soo beautiful Arch
    oO0Oo Resident: tc
    Korel Laloix: Hikari?
    Alfred Kelberry: hikari?
    Wol Euler: a place here, very beautiful
    Wol Euler: moon fargis made it
    Korel Laloix: OK.
    Calvino Rabeni: Being .. what I call the remembrance of the gift of existence bestowed by the Great Spirit
    Alfred Kelberry: wait, that moon that was mentioend on the mailing list?
    Wol Euler: yes, cal, that is what I was groping towards :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes the famous Moon
    Wol Euler: yep, boxy, that moon. our moon
    Alfred Kelberry: never seen him
    Alfred Kelberry: or her
    Calvino Rabeni: He used to be fuller
    Calvino Rabeni: but waned somewhat
    Alfred Kelberry: found his being and left?
    Wol Euler: it comes and goes :)
    Korel Laloix: It is interesting how people come and go in SL.
    oO0Oo Resident: his landscapes illuminated with longevity and light
    Korel Laloix: And some leave great marks on it.
    oO0Oo Resident: yes Korel
    oO0Oo Resident: the marks of being... Indras net jiggled
    Korel Laloix: Indras net?
    oO0Oo Resident: mmm
    oO0Oo Resident: I will find you a ink Korel
    Korel Laloix: Found it.
    oO0Oo Resident: just as well...my browser hasn't opened yet lol
    Wol Euler: :)
    Korel Laloix: Will have to look that up.
    --BELL--
    Korel Laloix: FAR AWAY IN THE HEAVENLY ABODE OF THE GREAT GOD INDRA, THERE IS A WONDERFUL NET WHICH HAS BEEN HUNG BY SOME CUNNING ARTIFICER IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT STRETCHES OUT INDEFINITELY IN ALL DIRECTIONS. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXTRAVAGANT TASTES OF DEITIES, THE ARTIFICER HAS HUNG A SINGLE GLITTERING JEWEL AT THE NET'S EVERY NODE, AND SINCE THE NET ITSELF IS INFINITE IN DIMENSION, THE JEWELS ARE INFINITE IN NUMBER. THERE HANG THE JEWELS, GLITTERING LIKE STARS OF THE FIRST MAGNITUDE, A WONDERFUL SIGHT TO BEHOLD. IF WE NOW ARBITRARILY SELECT ONE OF THESE JEWELS FOR INSPECTION AND LOOK CLOSELY AT IT, WE WILL DISCOVER THAT IN ITS POLISHED SURFACE THERE ARE REFLECTED ALL THE OTHER JEWELS IN THE NET, INFINITE IN NUMBER. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT EACH OF THE JEWELS REFLECTED IN THIS ONE JEWEL IS ALSO REFLECTING ALL THE OTHER JEWELS, SO THAT THE PROCESS OF REFLECTION IS INFINITE
    Alfred Kelberry: wow
    Alfred Kelberry: what was that?
    Korel Laloix: THE AVATAMSAKA SUTRA FRANCIS H. COOK: HUA-YEN BUDDHISM : THE JEWEL NET OF INDRA 1977
    Alfred Kelberry: why in caps? :)
    Korel Laloix: Just found that to be interesting.
    Korel Laloix: It is like that in the website.
    Korel Laloix: Sorry... just cut and pasted.
    Wol Euler: oh dear, how very 1992
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Korel
    Wol Euler: yes, thank you :)
    Wol Euler: got distracted by the ALLCAPS and forgot to say
    Korel Laloix: Sorry
    Korel Laloix: I know very little about Budism.
    Wol Euler: np :) not your fault, and boo to me for my pickiness
    Alfred Kelberry: i guess that's how chinese feel when they read hieroglyphs
    Alfred Kelberry: a wall of data
    eggsalad Ormstein: tl;dr
    Alfred Kelberry: agreed :)
    Korel Laloix: I have close freinds or exes that are Hindu, Muslim, Mormon, Atheist, etc.. but never had close RL relationship with a Budist.
    Alfred Kelberry: most of my friends are atheists
    Korel Laloix: I used to be that way.
    Wol Euler is an Inclusivist.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: I was thinking about this the other day as well.... I don't have any Jewish freinds that I know of.... but I don't go around asking either.
    Alfred Kelberry: sounds kind of sexy
    eggsalad Ormstein: I'm a confirmed agnostic
    oO0Oo Resident slips $L in Wols garter
    Wol Euler: one track mind, boxy.
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Alfred Kelberry: there are many tracks to sexiness :)
    oO0Oo Resident: agree
    Korel Laloix: I am sort of a Jesus freak.
    Alfred Kelberry: how's that?
    Wol Euler: "sort of"?
    Alfred Kelberry: you read psalms to everyone you meet?
    Korel Laloix: But as I grew up outside of religion.... I am more in touch with the Faith than with the constructs that have build up around it.
    Korel Laloix: If that makes sense.
    Korel Laloix: Not everyone.... smiles
    Wol Euler: makes a lot of sense to me.
    Wol Euler: I see a great difference between faith and organized religion (any religion)
    Korel Laloix: One of the things that made me start taking the idea of faith seriously was how much Atheism is a religion.
    Alfred Kelberry: korel, yes, i agree
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Alfred Kelberry: you bet
    Alfred Kelberry: it's a constant battle
    Alfred Kelberry: there are evil forces around
    Korel Laloix: I mean, group think is bad in relgious circles, but unpenatrable with the Atheists I know.
    eggsalad Ormstein: always a pleasure. bedtime here. goodnight all
    Alfred Kelberry: night egg
    Wol Euler: 'ngiht egg, sleep well.
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    oO0Oo Resident: egg :)
    Korel Laloix: But my life expereinces I find are significantly difernt than most people know.
    Korel Laloix: SO my persepective is a bit off angle someteims.
    Wol Euler: everyone's is; the difference is that you know yours is angled
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Korel Laloix: And people tell me that al the time...
    Korel Laloix: That is why Freud wears the Annoying Woman tag all the time.. smiles
    Wol Euler: that makes it either true or an egregious platitude
    oO0Oo Resident: glad to hear your perspective Korel
    Korel Laloix: I tend to realy irritate a lot of folks when we discuss certain topics.
    Korel Laloix: THanks.. grins
    Korel Laloix: Maybe both.
    Wol Euler grins and nods
    Korel Laloix: lag... those comments appeard out of order for me
    Korel Laloix: I was hoping this would help me get back to sleep...
    Korel Laloix: Fail.
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Korel Laloix: I just might go run.
    Wol Euler: sorry about that
    Wol Euler: oh, there was a great TED talk lately about running
    Wol Euler: and evolution, and community
    Wol Euler: let me see if I can find the link
    Korel Laloix: TED?
    --BELL--
    Korel Laloix: It is 25 out side.... think I will pass for now.
    oO0Oo Resident: I think/vote Korel gives TED talk...shake em up a bit
    Wol Euler: http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher...rn_to_run.html
    Wol Euler: if you don't know TED, you should bookmark it.
    Wol Euler: it's a recurring, nearly constant, travelling conference thingy
    Wol Euler: themed
    Wol Euler: and published on the web
    Wol Euler: they invite all kinds of people to talk about what they (talkers) find interesting or important or beautiful
    Wol Euler: actually no, they invite only one kind of person: Passionate and articulate and deeply involved
    Calvino Rabeni: I like that topic ... running
    Wol Euler: the speakers get a maximum of 20 minutes to speak
    Wol Euler: so there is a very high signal-to-noise ratio
    Korel Laloix: I run about 8 miles a day when I can..... but not sure I could talk that long about it...
    oO0Oo Resident: nice encapsulation of TED Wol
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Calvino Rabeni: run with others, Korel?
    Korel Laloix: NOt usually.
    Korel Laloix: I run a bit too much for most.
    Wol Euler: perhaps you need to join several groups, then :)
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Alfred Kelberry: *purrs at woly*
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Korel Laloix: My running time is my prayer and meditation time really.
    Calvino Rabeni: mmmmm
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Wol Euler: (back when I used to run)
    Calvino Rabeni: yesss
    Alfred Kelberry: wow, 8 miles a day
    Alfred Kelberry: iimpressive
    Calvino Rabeni: It adds up
    Korel Laloix: WEll, stupid really.
    Korel Laloix: My doc wants me to run less.
    Korel Laloix: But I am sort of addicted.
    Calvino Rabeni has to "run" ... good night everyone
    Wol Euler: goodnight cal, sleep well
    Korel Laloix: Ciao.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: thanks :)
    Korel Laloix: Here no evil, see no evil....... smiles
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: and carry a big stick.
    Korel Laloix: That or the three stooges.
    oO0Oo Resident: you read my mind Korel...sort of
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: which one is Curly? :)
    Korel Laloix: That is one TV show that I have ZERO understanding of.
    Korel Laloix: My brothers love it.
    Wol Euler: I couldn't watch it for longer than about 90 seconds
    oO0Oo Resident: THAT is why you should give a TED talk
    oO0Oo Resident: short and to the point
    Wol Euler: :)
    Korel Laloix: I can understand forms of comedy that I don't find funny.
    Korel Laloix: But I can't see how the Thre Stooges are funy at all.
    Korel Laloix: I just don't get it... lol
    oO0Oo Resident: not your loss I wager
    Wol Euler: they're funny in the way that running over frogs with your bicycle is funny
    Wol Euler: and for the same reason
    Wol Euler: gratuitous cruelty
    Alfred Kelberry: huh?
    Alfred Kelberry: what are you talking about?
    Wol Euler: read back, boxy :)
    Korel Laloix: Comedy that isnt.
    Wol Euler: an American TV show, an alleged comedy, of the 60s
    Wol Euler: slapstick, with the emphasis on slapping
    Korel Laloix: Now the Marx brothers.. I can see how that could be funny.. I just don't find them funny.
    Alfred Kelberry: ah
    Alfred Kelberry: slapping can be fun
    oO0Oo Resident: so much humor is based on pain or confusion.. and is highly contextual
    Korel Laloix: Yes.... but.... lol
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Korel Laloix: I dont realy find most sitcoms funney either.
    oO0Oo Resident: boxy
    Wol Euler bites her tongue.
    Korel Laloix: BUt my sense of humor is rather British I have been told.
    oO0Oo Resident: boxy gives id relief
    Korel Laloix: And I have no idea what that really means.
    Wol Euler: "not based on stupidity or cruelty"?
    Alfred Kelberry: korel, which is no sense of humor? :)
    Korel Laloix: No, I can find stupidity funny... I do like some Monty Python.
    Wol Euler: what annoyed me about US TV is the premises. Half-hour shows based on artificial dilemmas that a single questiion could hvae cleared up
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, don't tell this to python coders, korel
    Wol Euler: well, that and the commercials of course.
    Wol Euler: "half hour" shows that are 21 minutes long!
    Wol Euler: ridiculous!
    Wol Euler: rant rant rant rant
    Korel Laloix: I am not a fiction person.. and I don't watch TV really.
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Alfred Kelberry: you still watch tv, woly? :)
    Wol Euler: nope
    Wol Euler: not in nearly a decade
    Alfred Kelberry: wee!
    Korel Laloix: It really is mostly pointless.
    Wol Euler: except at my parents' house, or on airplanes
    Wol Euler: some of it can be good when seen at 30,000 feet
    Wol Euler: because the ads are cut
    Wol Euler: I got to love Grey's Anatomy and 30 Rock while flying the Atlantic
    --BELL--
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: I am sorta starting a new relationship right now.. but she lkes to watch TV..... lol. not sure I can work with that..
    Alfred Kelberry: i got to youtube to watch ads :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *go
    Wol Euler chuckles. That'll be a test, Korel.
    Korel Laloix: She invited me over....made me diner... then wanted to sit down with some popcorn and watch sitcoms... lol
    Alfred Kelberry: korel, you run 8 miles, she watches tv. i think it works out perfectly :)
    Korel Laloix: Just not something I would do...
    Wol Euler: "um, no"?
    Korel Laloix: Wel. I met her at a half marathon... Erin is a runnergirl as wel.
    Korel Laloix: Just might need to have a talk.. grins
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: come on, she made you dinner. you could watch some silly comedy with her :)
    Korel Laloix: Oh I did....
    Alfred Kelberry: good :)
    Korel Laloix: And I was polite.... and I really did enjoy spending time with er.
    Alfred Kelberry: i'd watch a sitcom with woly :)
    Korel Laloix: So would I.. just o watch her skirm.
    Wol Euler: awwwwww
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Korel Laloix: THe running TED video was sorta silly.. but fun.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I forgot to mention in my summary that there is a lot of humour at TED, much of it deeply geeky.
    Korel Laloix: I would like to invite Erin over but my grandma really does not approve.
    Alfred Kelberry: some of it is dull
    Korel Laloix: I noted the geeky.. I can relate to geek humor.
    Korel Laloix: I hang around a lot of math people... very strange sense of humor.
    Wol Euler chuckles.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: Ever hear a mathematics joke?
    oO0Oo Resident listening
    Wol Euler: I sense that I am about to.
    Korel Laloix: I cant remember any.... my joke ability is about zero.
    Korel Laloix: But they are bad.
    Wol Euler: oh boo :)
    Wol Euler: what a letdown.
    Korel Laloix: There is one about a math proffesor in an asylum.. tring to find it.
    oO0Oo Resident: no they often don't add up to anything
    Wol Euler: boom boom!
    Wol Euler: nice one
    Alfred Kelberry: any pab jokes?
    oO0Oo Resident smiles at observerm
    Wol Euler: One Being was already the rabbi and the priest, and also the bar itself, so it didn't walk anywhere or say anthing.
    Alfred Kelberry: um
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Korel Laloix: I found a similar joke.... so bear with me.
    Korel Laloix: A math proffessor was put into an insane asylum.
    Korel Laloix: Short alfter arriving this other crazed math prof runs up to the little group that he is in and starts yelling "I integrate you"!!!
    Korel Laloix: Everyone skaters except fot eh new Math prof.
    Korel Laloix: So he gets yelled at more.... I INTEGRATE YOU!!!
    Korel Laloix: Still he does not move.
    Korel Laloix: This goes on for a while until the yeller asks him why he is not responding.
    Korel Laloix: He replies......... (and here comes the first punchline)
    Korel Laloix: I am e to the x.
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    Alfred Kelberry: :/
    Wol Euler slaps her thigh and falls about laughing.
    Korel Laloix: (for you rusty math sorts, when you integrate e to the x you get e to the x)
    Wol Euler: not.
    Korel Laloix: Sooooo.
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: *watches woly's thigh and smiles*
    oO0Oo Resident: more more
    Korel Laloix: From there..... acouple of weeks passes and the same things happen.
    Korel Laloix: But this time....... the yelling math prof says...
    Korel Laloix: BUt you must fear me, for now I integreat with respect to y.
    Korel Laloix: You see what I have to put up with now.
    Korel Laloix: Math humor is an aquired taste.
    Wol Euler is sympathetic.
    Korel Laloix: Oh I like this one.
    Korel Laloix: HOw can you tell if a mathmatician is an extravert.
    oO0Oo Resident: how?
    Wol Euler: ?
    Korel Laloix: ?
    Korel Laloix: She looks at YOUR shoes when she talks to you.
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Wol Euler: that is good
    oO0Oo Resident: hehehe
    Korel Laloix: Q: How does a mathematician induce good behavior in her children?
    Korel Laloix: A: "I've told you n times, I've told you n+1 times..."
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    oO0Oo Resident: I like math jokes
    --BELL--
    Korel Laloix: Q: Wadaya get when you take the circumference of your jack-o-lantern and divide it by its diameter?
    Korel Laloix: Pumpkin π.
    Alfred Kelberry: ha, this one is good
    oO0Oo Resident: what do you get?
    Alfred Kelberry: Q: Why do mathematicians often confuse Christmas and Halloween?
    Alfred Kelberry: A: Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: hehehehehhe
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    oO0Oo Resident: how did you get the pi symbol?
    Korel Laloix: Mermaid mathematicians wear algaebras.
    Korel Laloix: Cut and pasteed the pie
    oO0Oo Resident: hahahha!
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Wol Euler: hello kit and caboodle.
    Alfred Kelberry: ®
    oO0Oo Resident: Kit! Good math jokes making the rounds
    Alfred Kelberry: kit-kat!
    Korel Laloix: how many times can you subtract 7 from 83, and what is left afterwards?
    oO0Oo Resident: ?
    Korel Laloix: I can subtract it as many times as I want, and it leaves 76 every time.
    oO0Oo Resident: hehehehe
    Wol Euler: hmmmm
    Alfred Kelberry: flute!
    oO0Oo Resident: this is better than TV Korel. Perhaps an alternative date
    Wol Euler: definitely.
    oO0Oo Resident: popcorn can be the compromise
    oO0Oo Resident: and lets see
    Korel Laloix: Philosophy is a game with objectives and no rules. Mathematics is a game with rules and no objectives.
    oO0Oo Resident: got it but a fraction late
    Korel Laloix: I have never dated an Irish Catholic before... so aibt of a culture shock really....
    Korel Laloix: ol
    Wol Euler: :)
    Korel Laloix: WHich is odd.
    Korel Laloix: Myf rist RL gf was half Indian.. from Pune.
    Korel Laloix: My second was born in the USSR but grew up in Cuba and Florida.
    Korel Laloix: But Erin is just way different.. odd.
    Korel Laloix: I like her... a lot..
    Wol Euler: must be the Irish.
    Korel Laloix: But we talk past each other a lot.
    oO0Oo Resident: Need to find a way to distract your grandmother
    Wol Euler: really
    Wol Euler: :)
    Korel Laloix: We like broke up thre times alerady in two months over it.... lol
    Korel Laloix: I will send her over to her sisters for a bridge night.
    oO0Oo Resident: yes!
    oO0Oo Resident: and running good for braekups
    Korel Laloix: And Erin did help me put on my CHristmas dinner thing.
    Wol Euler: there you are :)
    Wol Euler: as the old saying goes "a friend in the kitchen is a friend indeed"
    Korel Laloix: I do Orthodox dates... and grandma was there.... and she likes Erin.... but does not realize... or want to realize... lol
    oO0Oo Resident smiles
    Korel Laloix: Just weird.... I really like her.. but we realy need to figure each other out...
    oO0Oo Resident smiles
    Korel Laloix: And I am looking forward to hta I Have to admit.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Korel Laloix: Dating is so complicated..... lesbian Christian dating in Oklahoma is more complicated.... lol
    Kit Ciaco: LOL!
    oO0Oo Resident: rofl
    Kit Ciaco: I mean... oh?
    Korel Laloix: Was so much more straight forward when I was an athiest in FLorida.
    Wol Euler: yep
    Korel Laloix: straight was probably the wrong word to use.. grins
    Kit Ciaco grabs pup's muzzle....
    oO0Oo Resident feels sympathetic joy for anyone who succeeds in relationship.. if only for a moment
    oO0Oo Resident: nothing ventured...
    Wol Euler: absolutely.
    Korel Laloix: I have to admit....the world feels beter when I have a rleatiionship.
    Korel Laloix: Eventhough it complicates things so much.
    Kit Ciaco: I'd rather be happily single than unhappily coupled....
    Korel Laloix: I cant say I agree wit hat as I have never been in a realy unhapy relationship... I tend to get dumped before I realize it has gone bad.... frowns.
    Korel Laloix: SO I dont' know hat it feels like... but I think I agree wit you.
    Kit Ciaco: oh, that just sucks!
    Korel Laloix: Oh yes it does.
    Korel Laloix frowns
    Korel Laloix: Especialy when you get dumped for a guy... that puts all sorts of negative things in your brain.. frowns
    --BELL--
    Kit Ciaco: been there done tat!
    Korel Laloix: was I so crap of a gf that I drove you straight?.. very difficult thoughts.
    Wol Euler nods.
    oO0Oo Resident: their loss Korel
    Kit Ciaco: sigh....
    Korel Laloix: Maybe.....
    Korel Laloix: I don't know
    oO0Oo Resident: understand the questions though
    Korel Laloix: With my last real gf... Sama was really good for me... but was a negative for me in a lot of ways as wel..
    oO0Oo Resident: been there
    Korel Laloix: Just difficult..
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Korel Laloix: But hey..... I am 24 and not realy in ahurry.
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Alfred Kelberry: bring sama next time :)
    Korel Laloix: She realy does not approve of SL.
    Kit Ciaco: YES!
    oO0Oo Resident: and hugs to your grandma
    Kit Ciaco: oh
    Alfred Kelberry: otherwise, it's kind of a one-sided conversation
    Korel Laloix: SHe knows what I used to get up to in here.
    Korel Laloix: True.
    Korel Laloix: We are stil reinds.
    Korel Laloix: friends.
    Korel Laloix: OK.... maybe a litle sleep.
    Korel Laloix: Ciao all.. thanks for the chat.
    Kit Ciaco: bye!
    Wol Euler: goodnight korel, sleep well
    oO0Oo Resident: PaB... It's like TV, but better
    Korel Laloix: THank you.
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    oO0Oo Resident: night Korel
    oO0Oo Resident: :)
    Kit Ciaco: what's tv???
    Kit Ciaco: hahahahahhaha
    Kit Ciaco: hiccup
    Kit Ciaco: haha
    Kit Ciaco: ok that's pretty funny
    Kit Ciaco: my rl dog is growling at my sl dog
    Kit Ciaco: sheesh...
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    oO0Oo Resident: realities cross
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Kit Ciaco: I suppose....
    Kit Ciaco: I just hope he doesn't learn how to use the mouse
    oO0Oo Resident: hehehehe
    Kit Ciaco: If I come in here barking one day you'll understand he's taken over my avi!
    Wol Euler: remember that seminal New YOrker cartoon?
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Wol Euler: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"
    Kit Ciaco: LOL!
    oO0Oo Resident: hehehehe
    oO0Oo Resident: do remember
    Wol Euler: :)
    Kit Ciaco: Wel, he's pretty smart
    Wol Euler points to the RL page of her profil
    Kit Ciaco: but if all"I" say one day is "sit," "come" and "Wanna go outside?"
    Kit Ciaco: ban me please!
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Yes Wol, but the pic... doesn't quite match
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I'm working on that.
    oO0Oo Resident: Not that I'm complaining
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident thinks: Boxy is a sexy girl
    Kit Ciaco: LOL!!!!!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: I know boxy's original avatar :-P
    Kit Ciaco: I admit - I'm REALLY a huge burley guy with a beer belly
    Kit Ciaco don't TELL them that!!!!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: the dog wrestled control ofthe keyboard for a moment there
    Kit Ciaco: yes yes
    Kit Ciaco: that's it
    Kit Ciaco: let's go with that
    Wol Euler: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: pernaud bellies are out of fashion
    Kit Ciaco: the DOG is actually a big burly guy with a beer belly
    Wol Euler: right
    Kit Ciaco: he is very unfashionable....
    Alfred Kelberry: *back with tea*
    Kit Ciaco: thank goodness~!!
    oO0Oo Resident: ;) boxy
    Kit Ciaco: In all truth - he is quite handsome
    Kit Ciaco: in a clark kent kind of way
    Wol Euler: my dears, I shall arise now and go to Innisfree -- er, the kitchen actually
    Kit Ciaco: he is, in fact, a canine nerd....
    Wol Euler: and there I shall make lunch
    Alfred Kelberry: what's for lunch?
    Wol Euler: it was a great conversation today, thank you :)
    Kit Ciaco: nice seeing ya, wol!!!
    Wol Euler: maultaschen and mushroom omelette
    Alfred Kelberry: mmm
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, please
    oO0Oo Resident: tc Wol :)
    oO0Oo Resident: OM NOM NOM
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Wol Euler: bye for now, my dears.
    oO0Oo Resident: hugs
    Wol Euler hugs back at you.
    Alfred Kelberry: bon appetishenen

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