2010.03.01 13:00 - Burning Noses

The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: how are you Yaku..well?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: addicted to some crisps right now :)
    Mickorod Renard: yummy
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, very tasty :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello All :)
    arabella Ella: am rezzing
    Mickorod Renard: u look ok to me
    arabella Ella: cant see much yet
    --BELL--
    Mickorod Renard: and how is Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, you might ask her....
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    arabella Ella: Hiya Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hiya :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do i have problems in rezzing you eliza, there are 4 balls in front of your head
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Agatha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha,wol
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol :)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yahu Eliza Mick Ara and Wol :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and ssl
    arabella Ella: Hey Agatha!
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Sophia
    Agatha Macbeth: And SSL too
    Eliza Madrigal: (I'm doing quite well Mick, thank you for inquiring)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    Wol Euler: hello sharon
    Mickorod Renard: looks like it may be busy
    Eliza Madrigal: tut tut, looks like rain....
    Agatha Macbeth: Break out more cushions
    arabella Ella: may have to log out and log in again
    arabella Ella: cant see anything :(
    Mickorod Renard: owwww..:(
    Wol Euler: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry obscure reference)... Mick watching the PaB weather...
    Agatha Macbeth: In out in out and shake it all about
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its taking me a long time to rez
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Wol Euler: damn, there's a PaB Wiki group meeting now, I forgot about that.
    arabella Ella: brb
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh =/
    Wol Euler: bye for now, hope to be back soon
    Mickorod Renard: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: Do we have weather?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Wol :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Wol
    Eliza Madrigal: No... Storm isn't here so no weather
    Agatha Macbeth: And Ara
    Mickorod Renard: ahhh
    Agatha Macbeth: Stormy weather?
    Eliza Madrigal hums
    Agatha Macbeth: Cole Porter?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it.... I wasn't sure who wrote it....
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
    Mickorod Renard: wb Ara
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Hear Billie singing though
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :))
    arabella Ella: That's better Hiya again!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Great, Ara :)
    Mickorod Renard: felt like spring was coming today
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: How so Mick... just warmth in the air?
    arabella Ella: we had summer on sunday ... today it is gale force here :(
    Agatha Macbeth: And seemed brighter this morning too
    arabella Ella: but my freesias are out and so lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: Yikes, Ara! Someone should put up a weather center in Malta...
    Eliza Madrigal: such fluxuations!
    arabella Ella: yes ... i rode my bike for 5 hours on sunday and my nose got so sunburnt
    Agatha Macbeth: Fluxuations?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, from retreat reports it seems that one never knows what weather will be in Malta from day to day....
    Eliza Madrigal: quite interesting actually
    Agatha Macbeth: Wonder what causes that?
    Mickorod Renard: sunburn on the nose?
    arabella Ella: it is mainly good weather but winter hits us sometimes ... milder than most of europe though
    Agatha Macbeth: Oww
    arabella Ella: yes my nose as i was wearing my helmet of course
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    arabella Ella: actually nose and neck
    Agatha Macbeth: Neck is worse
    Mickorod Renard: that first sun of the year is always severe
    arabella Ella: yes dollops of cream after ... should have been before but we dont normally use protection in winter
    Bleu Oleander: wear your sunscreen!
    arabella Ella: most of us locals rarely wear sunscreen in summer either as with perspiration it just flows down in white droplets
    Eliza Madrigal holds back comment
    arabella Ella: go on Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: funny to call sunscreen 'protection'... guess I'm having a day... hahah
    Mickorod Renard: yes, and makes your eyes sting too sometimes
    Agatha Macbeth: Comment broke free! ;-)
    arabella Ella: oh yes ... should have been more specific Eliza ... skin protection or sun screen would sound better to avoid misunderstanding :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, couldn't take it... I wait for Mick, generally... then Ara to correct him and apologize
    arabella Ella giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Mickorod Renard: we have clouds here..they are very effective at shielding the sun
    Agatha Macbeth: Totally
    Eliza Madrigal: No I know what you meant, Ara... just being silly :)
    Eliza Madrigal: They don't shield from the dangerous rays though
    arabella Ella: sunday was clear skies and crystal blue clear sea ... around 30
    arabella Ella: we had malta marathon sunday
    arabella Ella: many foreign marathon runners
    Agatha Macbeth: Who won?
    arabella Ella: from colder countries running in temperatures of 30
    SophiaSharon Larnia: around the island, ara?
    arabella Ella: yes
    Mickorod Renard: were they local that won?
    arabella Ella: started at Point de Vue outside Mdina where we stayed during the retreat
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaa
    arabella Ella: a foreigner won full marathon
    arabella Ella: there was full, half and walkathlon
    arabella Ella: 1400 people participated
    Mickorod Renard: do they have a crawlerthon,,i might manage that
    arabella Ella: and i had to take a photographer pillion to take pictures for the media
    arabella Ella: i never broke so many traffic rules in my life
    Agatha Macbeth: How about a 'stop and give up after a mile athon'?
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Mickorod Renard: that must have been very scary for the photographer
    Agatha Macbeth: That's for me
    arabella Ella: what an excellent idea Aga I will propose it to my friends the organisers
    Agatha Macbeth: Countn me in then :)
    arabella Ella: yes everyone told the photographer he must be mad to ride pillion with a female
    Mickorod Renard: well, I wouldnt have made the sexist ciomment
    arabella Ella: oh one other thing
    --BELL--
    arabella Ella: today is my first anniversary (and Mick's too) at PaB ... I came across the chat log and it was 01/03
    Eliza Madrigal: Happy Anniversary! I thought you two were around way before me....
    Agatha Macbeth: You should hold hands then
    arabella Ella smiles
    arabella Ella: thanks!
    Mickorod Renard: it feels like i have been here years
    Eliza Madrigal: Guess I didn't attend the afternoon sessions so much back then...
    arabella Ella: we were at Kira before here and before that I had visited the tea house
    Agatha Macbeth: Only 16 minutes Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: Agreed, Mick... It is a different time altogether "PaB time"
    arabella Ella: and Pema had invited us at Kira to visit PaB
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i remember,,it does seem long ago
    SophiaSharon Larnia: happy anniversary :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Well much has happened...
    Eliza Madrigal: in a blink
    arabella Ella: thanks ... thanks ... excited
    Bleu Oleander: how did you both get to Kira?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: thankyou
    Mickorod Renard: I teleported
    Eliza Madrigal: =P~
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    arabella Ella: the philosophy attracted me ... Pema on phenomenology and Gilles too
    Mickorod Renard: Ara's influence got me there I think
    arabella Ella: and now seems like we are 'stuck' here
    Bleu Oleander: so you knew each other before kira?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: not complaining so dont get me wrong
    arabella Ella: yes we did from PH which is Philosophy House another sim here
    Eliza Madrigal: 'here' goes where we go.... so hardly stuck....
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    arabella Ella: yes as i said i am not complaining
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you also attend thephilosophyclass like mick did arabella ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is a pab anniversary more significant than a SL rez day?
    Eliza Madrigal: It was for me...
    Mickorod Renard: yes, Ara introduced me to Hermans Yaku
    Agatha Macbeth: Hermans what?
    Bleu Oleander: I attended Hermans group as well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://thephilosophyclass.blogspot.com/
    Mickorod Renard: before Ara I was hanging out in dance rooms
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the guy who´s running it is called herman bergson in SL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
    arabella Ella: I think PaB anniversary is just as significant as rez day SSL
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, not Munster then
    arabella Ella: Herman was at another discussion I went to last night on Philosophy Island
    arabella Ella: a relatively new sim
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it seems to replace philosophy house
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    Mickorod Renard: well, in my opinion, philo house lost its path some time ago
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: When getting to know SL I attended quite a few philosophy sessions... and yes that spot often was quite unpleasant....
    arabella Ella: philosophy island is a sim which is attracting some philosophers to set up home and they have quite a few events but not all time zone friendly for me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods :(
    Agatha Macbeth: erk
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, good tip Ara, Thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i remember the mad tea party aspect of it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: loved that haha
    arabella Ella: well one of the last times i attended PH we put together a singing session using voice which was lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: :) It was really neat though.... once this guy turned into like 5 diff avs in a row... very quickly. Being new to SL it was wild....
    arabella Ella: of course i refused to sing
    arabella Ella: oh yes i remember that Eliza amazing
    Eliza Madrigal: You put together a singing session and wouldn't sing?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: yes i did
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Mickorod Renard: I liked the guitar player
    Mickorod Renard: talisman I think
    Eliza Madrigal: I think we should have the PaB equivalent of a Christmas album....
    arabella Ella: they did their best to get me to sing but my voice is terribly flat so no way
    Agatha Macbeth: The words 'object' and 'exercise' come to mind
    arabella Ella: oh Mick he is the one who had the session last night Talesin
    Mickorod Renard: noooo?
    Mickorod Renard: I missed him
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm.... maybe one of the first people I met in SL actually....
    arabella Ella: well maybe i can 'influence' you to come to one of the sessions at Philosophy island as there will be more and this one was euro zone friendly (time wise)
    Mickorod Renard: sounds good
    arabella Ella: there were lots of other people from PH too who I know well
    Mickorod Renard: I am not sure I want to do much more philosophy
    arabella Ella: Talesin now wants to discuss topics such as the philosophy of second life
    arabella Ella: it was quite an open discussion
    Agatha Macbeth: That sounds good
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, does sound neat
    arabella Ella: yes ... altho most of the discussion was more personal rather than philosophical
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sadly, 2pm isn´t european friendly in ,,my" case
    Eliza Madrigal: The new phenom workshop at Kira was fantastic... was sorry it didn't go on longer...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or the 2:30pm discussion today
    Mickorod Renard: has it started then Eliza?
    arabella Ella: which is that Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or the new kira event on thursday 2-3pm
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe we might have phenom discussions here sometime...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: roup Notice From: Rhiannon Dragoone TODAY, MAR 1ST, SPECIAL DAY AND TIME, 2:30 PM SLT AT RHI'S PLACE ON PHILOSOPHY ISLAND LEARN WHAT THE LIMITS OF SOCIETY'S AUTHORITY ARE NEW ARGUMENTS, NEW PEOPLE, NEW INSIGHTS LM AND LECTURE NOTE ATTACHED.
    Eliza Madrigal: No, Mick... it went on for about 6 weeks....
    Mickorod Renard: I like phenem
    arabella Ella: and which phenemo discussion did u refer to?
    arabella Ella: ah yes i got that too Yaku
    --BELL--
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,the one thats finnished,,I was annoyed I was working at that time
    Mickorod Renard: (well, at the pub)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the now kira event´s on thrusdays will also be more about spiritual/contemplative issues as it seems
    arabella Ella: who is running that Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am really curious about that if that also gives new idea´s on pab
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ups :)
    Mickorod Renard: that sounds good Yaku
    Bleu Oleander: Vector Marksman is running that one
    arabella Ella: ah ty
    Agatha Macbeth: What time?
    Bleu Oleander: 2 pm
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.localendar.com/elsie?DAM=PublishedEvent&event_id=127&calendar_id=360015&more_info=N&export_date=Mar%2004,%202010
    Agatha Macbeth: TY
    Mickorod Renard: vector?,,I may raster along to that
    Bleu Oleander: thursdays for eight weeks
    arabella Ella: interesting i would like to go too ... just hope i dont forget
    arabella Ella: (too much happening)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow, 35 years eh?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, thats my problem,,life is a blur
    Agatha Macbeth: Now that's experience
    arabella Ella: it sure is
    Agatha Macbeth: He'll know what he's talkinga bout then :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, found the wiki for the phenom discussions.... well worth reading....
    Eliza Madrigal: http://sites.google.com/site/phenomenologyvip/meetings
    Agatha Macbeth: (damn KB)
    arabella Ella: KB?
    arabella Ella: ty Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Keyboard
    arabella Ella smiles
    Bleu Oleander: I was sorry that phenom group stopped as well
    Agatha Macbeth: Not King's Bishop :)
    arabella Ella: i thought it was someone's initials
    arabella Ella: Karen Brown?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Kate Bush?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think that people who run successful workshops in SL, might then run workshops on how to do that....
    arabella Ella: what an excellent idea Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: head spins Eliza haha
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bleu Oleander: workshops on workshops
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu: have you been able to reschedule a meeting with the guy from the life 2.0 movie ?
    Eliza Madrigal: then will need a wiki...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    arabella Ella: 'the secrets of running successful SL workshops'!
    Agatha Macbeth: WOW
    Mickorod Renard: as soon as I have mastered time travel I will get to those Phenem meets
    Bleu Oleander: oh yes, sat. march 20
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Mick, yea
    Eliza Madrigal: You don't need to travel Mick... just lay back into timelessness and then zero in from there...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: workshops on workshops bleu :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    arabella Ella: argh .... dropping Time!
    Mickorod Renard: I need a secretary to sit in on the meets I cant get to
    Eliza Madrigal: ...send alts into various times...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i want a secretary for regular stuff too
    Eliza Madrigal: then your secretary will need a secretary....
    Mickorod Renard: actually I need someone to understand them too,,and then translate into real simple language for me
    Agatha Macbeth readies her word processor
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: We have Ara :) She'll tell us what philosopher so-n-so means....
    Mickorod Renard: I respond better to oral
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Eliza Madrigal: See.... knew it would take long...
    Agatha Macbeth: t you do Mick ;-)
    Mickorod Renard: words just blend together
    Agatha Macbeth: Bet
    arabella Ella: me?
    Mickorod Renard: what did I say??
    arabella Ella: he he
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    arabella Ella: Eliza said i would explain all
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Eliza Madrigal always hopes someone will
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;p
    arabella Ella: my understanding too is very limited
    Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
    Mickorod Renard: I find it interesting though, that many subjects we are attracted to seem to connect
    Eliza Madrigal: I have an easier time with concepts than with names and dates...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
    arabella Ella: yes and that helps us to build up more of a community here
    Eliza Madrigal: true, Mick
    arabella Ella: me too Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i understand something in a flash, an then rezch for that flash again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: reach*
    Eliza Madrigal: It seems a weakness in many discussions that come from an 'intellecutal' angle... because sometimes it seems people just want to list.....
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder what we would like to build upon our pab session,,that we may reach bu consensus?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the word "consensus"feels almost dangerous to me
    arabella Ella: do we really need consensus Mick?
    Eliza Madrigal: near to belief
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I thionk I have that too SSl,,I feel i have had a revelation,,then it vanishes a week later
    arabella Ella: i dont think we need consensus ... rather we need respect for all opinions and perspectives
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah... or a flash/blink... then details begin lining up...
    Agatha Macbeth returns and salutes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if you stay with it Eliza, which is hard to do on a certain level
    Mickorod Renard: maybe I said the wrong thing,,I was maening,,if we put our heads together,,what would we agree we need
    Eliza Madrigal: like given an SL freebie bag to sort
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Sharon.. and there seems to be 'weather' for that too... conditions in which it will or won't... hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: much of these thoughts have an intensity that is hard to maintain
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes I remember from past sessions,,I felt I was groping around in the dark
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Liza :) WB Agatha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Liza
    Liza Deischer: hi all
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Liza
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Liza
    Bleu Oleander: hi Liza
    Eliza Madrigal: At things which seem clear now, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: erm
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Clear-ER
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Mickorod Renard: but I need to reinforce it occasionaly
    Eliza Madrigal: I relate to that too
    Eliza Madrigal: and to go back to beginnings...
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps there are things like mission statements
    Eliza Madrigal: glow in the dark outlines?
    Mickorod Renard: I will love everyone,,I will feel a better person,,etc etc
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats a nice way of putting it Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe a little of what you mean is along the lines of 'view'
    Mickorod Renard: just a set of emergency lighting on the floor like at cinema's
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, heh..perfect :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or you can just fall
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: easy for me to say though :)
    Mickorod Renard: I think some of these things are good if you can devote enough attention without life getting in the way,,yet funnily enough,,its the richness of life we want to connect too
    Mickorod Renard: to*
    arabella Ella: yes but ...
    arabella Ella: some people take ambition and power to be the richness of life and unfortunately they miss out on more beautiful and valuable aspects
    arabella Ella: the simple ones in particular
    Eliza Madrigal nods... so much richness everywhere... available
    Eliza Madrigal: all that appears :)
    arabella Ella nods
    Mickorod Renard: well,,power and ambition are not one of my attachments
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes it is worth it to take concentrated periods to develop a deeper/wider scope... and then integration to bring that into *everything*
    Mickorod Renard: but having responsibilities sometimes is a problem
    Liza Deischer: are you sure mick :-)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe not even getting rid of attachments... but being less attached to them... hehe
    Mickorod Renard: that sounds good Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is there a thing as a loose attachment?
    Mickorod Renard: even the bit before
    Eliza Madrigal: I still ogle shoes in the mall.. appreciate them and leave them there....
    Eliza Madrigal: not all of them of course. haha... I do wear shoes! :)
    Liza Deischer: you first need to see the attachements, and accept them, befor you can deal with them
    arabella Ella loves shoes ... he he
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so acceptance can maybe loosen them...
    arabella Ella: do you mean something like a retreat Eliza when you say a concentrated period of time?
    Mickorod Renard: I am pretty good at resisting temptation now,,much to many peoples frustration
    Eliza Madrigal: yes.. and something like what I've done this year...
    arabella Ella: ehrm ... which is?
    Eliza Madrigal: which is take every spare moment... really like when one makes a resolution and it frames everything...
    Eliza Madrigal: kind of zero-ing in....
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe at times ruthlessly setting a priority...
    Eliza Madrigal: Am just relaxing that now
    arabella Ella: interesting
    Eliza Madrigal: I mean year as a kind of approximate, btw
    Mickorod Renard: somewhere there must be taking control without becoming controlling?
    Eliza Madrigal: but I definitely think that's why people go on retreats...
    Bleu Oleander: what did you find Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: and some even loooong retreats
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, a surprisingly tough question Bleu!
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: I have a taste of what's essential perhaps...
    Agatha Macbeth sneaks off quietly
    Mickorod Renard: waves
    arabella Ella: nite Aga
    Eliza Madrigal: :)Bye Ag
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Agatha
    Liza Deischer: bye agatha
    Mickorod Renard: I think I have to go now,,I am sure I am expected somewhere
    Eliza Madrigal: I should qualify and say 'for me'... which was needed with my children getting older, etc.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ya
    Mickorod Renard: ciao yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: At the pub, Mick?
    Bleu Oleander: bye Yaku
    Liza Deischer: nite yaku
    Mickorod Renard: isnt it i ching?
    arabella Ella: i must go too ... nite everyone?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I'm set to attend on a Friday...
    Bleu Oleander: bye ara
    Liza Deischer: bye mick, ara
    Eliza Madrigal: have fun :)
    Mickorod Renard: byeeeeee
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone :0
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, its a bit of an interesting question overall, especially considering talk about retreats and 'why' ...
    Bleu Oleander: yes:)
    Liza Deischer: are you talkig about some kind of awareness during the day, Eliza
    Liza Deischer: ?
    Eliza Madrigal: there are defining times in life, too... when you sit under the tree....
    Eliza Madrigal: and don't move (figuratively)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: In some ways I feel like I'm on retreal, when I'm at home, in a very simple way
    Eliza Madrigal: You've set that up, Sharon?
    Bleu Oleander: nice thought Sharon
    Bleu Oleander: home as a retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: very
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, i dont know if I understand you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, just nurturing environment...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know if its wishful thnking
    Eliza Madrigal: not if you feel that way... if you find it a refuge...
    Liza Deischer: home can feel like safety
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wonders if the idea of refuge is like you said Liza, feeling safe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if its an escape, but it doesnt feel that way
    Liza Deischer: depends on what kind of 'refuge' you mean
    Eliza Madrigal: where you can Rest
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: gtg, cu later :)
    Liza Deischer: bye bleu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bleu :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to seee you Bleu!
    Eliza Madrigal: In the Tilopa sense of the word.... like Pema uses it, refering to the outline...
    Liza Deischer: ???
    Eliza Madrigal: Have you see that Liza? I think Sharon has....
    Eliza Madrigal: one sec...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: remind me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilopa
    Eliza Madrigal: Look toward the middle, there are "Six Words of Advice"
    Liza Deischer: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I think of this before a sitting....
    Eliza Madrigal: like levels of dropping
    Eliza Madrigal: 'Don't recall/ Don't imagine/Don't think/Don't examine/Don't control/Rest'
    Eliza Madrigal: anyway, I'm chatty today aren't i...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I try this is bursts, the dont think/imagine/examine is so very difficult
    Eliza Madrigal nods, agree
    Eliza Madrigal: and the extention of that 'let go of what may come/what has passed..." eek!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this is a discussion that deserves time
    Liza Deischer: those are all improtant to meditation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what I'm running out of atm
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Liza
    Eliza Madrigal: and life... working meditation into life...
    Eliza Madrigal: Have to work Sharon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha no not tonight :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal actually 'planned' to be on SL a lot today... how's that for priorities?!
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats how you get to the groups that i keep missing
    Eliza Madrigal: I was feeling disconnected...
    Liza Deischer: how come?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Sharon... not sure... I feel like I've been missing things too...
    Eliza Madrigal: And Liza I think I was wrapped up in emails and things...
    Eliza Madrigal: moreso than just signing on and talking to people, or moving things around on the retreat land...
    Eliza Madrigal: Which I did today :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been feeling more connected, but not connected to anything in particular
    Liza Deischer: disconnected to what?
    --BELL--
    SophiaSharon Larnia: touching lightly
    Eliza Madrigal: That's a neat idea Sharon!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know why or what
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Liza Deischer: don't think :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: don't try to figure anything out
    Liza Deischer: I think i read one of your 'disconnections'
    Liza Deischer: thanks for that
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... hehe....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :) but then its hard to come here and chat,. my mind will go blank, thats not quite right is it, is that escape?
    Eliza Madrigal: I should mention that I also write on a blog, a workshop wiki, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm Sharon, not always
    Liza Deischer: I understand
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive been walking that line, im not sure what i mean, i just know it doesnt matter right now
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I do think I know what you mean....
    Liza Deischer: excape is hard to describe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: remember Pab and do the "9 sec"
    Liza Deischer: *escape
    Eliza Madrigal: like when I said disconnected I felt that I wasn't quite comfortable in SL... in the virtual environment... wasn't flowing in it... that's a sort of 'blank'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are you connected in rl?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... think it was a gear switching thing...
    Liza Deischer: just wanted to ask that :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: needed oil
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Liza Deischer: and oil is.....?
    Eliza Madrigal: Re escape.... I was trying earlier to form a thought about that.... and the closest I get is that visualizations can bring someone closer to reality...
    Eliza Madrigal: and so I think in that way the things, like SL that we might call escapes... engage up someting real/direct
    Eliza Madrigal: which can't really be called escape?
    Eliza Madrigal: Is that convoluted?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe to someone who hasn't been in SL
    Eliza Madrigal: wakes up dormant parts of our subconscious...
    Liza Deischer: it does
    Liza Deischer: depending on how you use sl
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true... some use it to wake other parts...
    Eliza Madrigal snorts
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a virtual internal landscape
    Eliza Madrigal: OOoooohh!!
    Liza Deischer: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Liza Deischer: to me it works like a mirror
    SophiaSharon Larnia: <>
    Eliza Madrigal: A mirror? Say more?
    Liza Deischer: the way I have 'met' my avatar
    Liza Deischer: both of them
    Liza Deischer: I have a male alt
    Liza Deischer: and I found out things about my feelings that have been there, but didn't got enough space
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, alts are good for that hahah
    Eliza Madrigal: how fascinating... really resonates
    Eliza Madrigal: really neat idea... meeting one's self in SL
    Liza Deischer: it worked that way
    Liza Deischer: for me that is
    Liza Deischer: spontaniously
    Liza Deischer: but I think I have had always question about my male/female sides
    Liza Deischer: so it was bound to happen, the mirroring :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: It does give one a way to really try things on... I had a male alt for a few months, too...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: Had I been able to master using AOs it might have been a smoother ride... heheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i couldnt help but to out myself the minute i started talking to someone though
    Eliza Madrigal: but he walked strangely and I felt clumsy
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, I'm like that with Lila, too, Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: showed me how I ID with something
    Liza Deischer: Now I have an sl-friend, who is a man, but a female in sl and we have had interesting discussion
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess you see reactions you didn't know you had...
    Liza Deischer: it took some time, but mine is now walking and talking smoothly :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Liza Deischer: both by the way experimenting with our female side, strangely enough :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: That's fascinating!
    Eliza Madrigal: I think we've had talk of a kira workshop eventually... on these kinds of SL topics...
    Eliza Madrigal: would be great... compare notes like we're doing...
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    --BELL--
    Liza Deischer: and along the way, it helped me to express myself differently
    Liza Deischer: also in rl
    Eliza Madrigal: that's wonderful
    Eliza Madrigal: like a hidden door
    Liza Deischer: it feels that way
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats key for me, finding soe intergration to rl, it feels insurmountable sometimes, like the distance is too great
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some*
    Liza Deischer: insurmountable?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but i dont even know what i mean by that
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: we can't make integration happen....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i know what part of it is, i unhappy in a part of my life that takes up a big time chunk, my job
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and the self i am there, and the self i am not there, are 2 different
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes... Sharon...