2010.03.15 13:00 - Brains, Babies, and the Nature of Onigokko

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza, filling in for Mickorod. 

The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt
Qt Core: hi eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Mick is having internet issues since moving into his new home :)
Qt Core: many have internet issues without even moving ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe, true
Eliza Madrigal: How is everything with you?
Qt Core: not a great day at work but a wonderful weather
Eliza Madrigal: well that compensates a little I guess. The weather here is absolutely stunning today too... low 70s and breeze... clear blue blue skies...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ag :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liz, QT :)
Qt Core: here we had low 60 and clear sky, with beautiful snow white mountains on the background
Qt Core: hi agatha, calvino
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, got me there ;-D

Moments before, Agatha offered to fill in a guardian session for the first time ...

Agatha Macbeth: I was just reading your email Liz thanks!
Eliza Madrigal: Thank You! Are you sure... 2 AM?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Eliza, agatha QT
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: I'm up anyways
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
Eliza Madrigal: :) wow
Eliza Madrigal: I think, that because you have posted on the wiki before, it shouldn't be much trouble... a tip would be to try not to hit save until you're sure the title and date are right
Eliza Madrigal: otherwies the page will need to be moved. I should add that to the hosting email :)))
Agatha Macbeth: Ok will do
Eliza Madrigal makes note
Agatha Macbeth does too
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not so bad, usually it would be 3am!!!
Eliza Madrigal: Is it that you sleep in, or that you sleep little?
Agatha Macbeth: Well, next day's Sunday and i don't rise early anyhow ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: sleepy sunday
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes I haven't gone to bed till 6am on a Saturday (Sunday)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh My
Agatha Macbeth: I'm a bit of a night bird :)
Eliza Madrigal: Its been a long time since I did that, and usually not by choice... hehe
Agatha Macbeth grins
Qt Core: only good books can have me do something like that ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Well yes...
Agatha Macbeth: And the net, and DVDs :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Qt. What was the last book that kept you up all night?
Agatha Macbeth: And did it have pictures? :))
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Qt Core: Pyramids by Pratchett i think ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: an absorbed into another world.... from SL to...
Agatha Macbeth: To....?
Eliza Madrigal: well anywhere :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oz?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku :)
Eliza Madrigal: works for me. haha
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
Qt Core: hi yaku

Eliza Madrigal: Cal that was an interesting session last night... skimmed a bit of it
Agatha Macbeth: Missed that...
Calvino Rabeni: Yes a couple of visitors where here who had a lot ot offer
Calvino Rabeni: it was a good session
Eliza Madrigal: philosophical and stretchy, but still light...
Eliza Madrigal: about.... the brain.....
Eliza Madrigal: sort of
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Calvino Rabeni: beyond the brain - i think the session if it could speak would agree, the brain takes too much of the credit :)
Eliza Madrigal: Still rezzing Ya?
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Cal
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Qt Core: (haven't read the log yet) so what is there beyond the brain ?
Eliza Madrigal: So how would you sum it up Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: the world, evolution
Eliza Madrigal: systems .. patterns... ?
Calvino Rabeni: THe brain is like the perfect dance parner, responsive to the evolving conditions of the dance of life, but not the master and commander ofthe universe
Eliza Madrigal: what if you have a clumsy one? :)
Calvino Rabeni: (my capsule summary of th session)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, thanks
Calvino Rabeni: Then you are dead :)
Eliza Madrigal: not quite dead yet
Qt Core: maybe even a parasite of the universe ?
Agatha Macbeth: (Thought she meant me)
Calvino Rabeni: BUt if you are not, then you have a perfectly fine one :)
Eliza Madrigal: the brain as parasite, Qt?
Qt Core: (surely a dancer is a better image)
--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps it is an aesthetic choice, whether you want to be a parasite, symbiote, epicure, host, etc.
Eliza Madrigal has heard it said that life is the dancer and we are the dance... maybe that's still solipsistic...
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe
Agatha Macbeth: I like to think of it as the conducter of the orchestra
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes, nice
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Fox Monacular: hello all
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fox :))
Agatha Macbeth: Has Yaku fallen asleep again?
Qt Core: or the thought juggler
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Fox
Qt Core: hi Fox
Eliza Madrigal: I wondered if Ya had gotten an IM along the way... or hm... yes maybe a nap
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wel it does happen...
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Yakuzzzzzzzzzzzzzza
Eliza Madrigal giggles and smiles at Ya
Eliza Madrigal: Fox, how are you settling? How is the neighbor?
Fox Monacular: hehe:), I'm actually in Montreal right now
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, still? hehe
Fox Monacular: by husband is finishing thesis, and i just can't take it anymore :)))
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Fox Monacular: and aslo i have a lot of work to do here, while grandmas take turns playing with baby
Eliza Madrigal: fight or flight... you chose flight :)
Fox Monacular: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Very wise
Fox Monacular: no, no fight, just it's better when nobody gets too stressed out
Fox Monacular: and besides he'll work faster without our presence
Eliza Madrigal: yes, agreed... if you have a family and support system then great to take advantage
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods and smiles
Fox Monacular: yes, exactly
Fox Monacular: after an isolated month in boston i feel like i'm on vacation here
Eliza Madrigal: wow, lovely... and nothing better for your baby than to be doted on by grammas :)
Fox Monacular: :) so true
Fox Monacular: nothing better for grammas too
Qt Core: and wonder why they didn't spoiled you as much ;-)
Fox Monacular: seriosly... why?
Fox Monacular: :)
Fox Monacular: 1st baby of the generation... grandmas are fighting over her:)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful :))
Qt Core: one of my friends in your position almost wanted to make the grandparents to bid for the child ;-)
Fox Monacular: hahaha
Fox Monacular: good idea
Eliza Madrigal: I remember once, my oldest daughter took all the chairs from her gran-memere's house, and made everyone sit in a train so she could put on a show... I couldn't believe they all did it...
Fox Monacular: i could use some of that money
Agatha Macbeth: Grandparents are like that
Fox Monacular: wow
Eliza Madrigal: middle of thanksgiving... but yes she knew she had them... talk about a conductor :)
Fox Monacular: yes, in our family baby is definitely a conductor too

Fox Monacular: it's interesitng how they realize early exactly how to manipulate each family member
Eliza Madrigal: so sweet.. sigh... nice to snuggle babies :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true
Fox Monacular: i came home yesterday, and she didn't see me... she was 'crying' for the grandpa to notice her... but what a different cry! would never do the same with me:)
Agatha Macbeth: Heehee
Eliza Madrigal: notcing different cries...
Fox Monacular: yes, very attuned to others
Qt Core: they have the power and aren't afraid to use it
Eliza Madrigal wonders what signals she reads
Eliza Madrigal: heheh Qt
Fox Monacular: a lot of mirroring too... intonations... gestures... she's like a mix of all of our behaviors
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: fascinating... like noticing that they look like a diff famly member depending on whose lap they are on :))

We fall quiet for a bit...

Eliza Madrigal notices Ya snuck onto a cushion
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Qt Core: or crashed on it ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, he woke up ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, not quite on the top of my game today... was trying to weave together Cal's life and brain session with mirror nerurons and trains...
Eliza Madrigal: nada connecting. :)
Agatha Macbeth: Leaves on the line
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ari :)
Arisia Vita: Hi all
Fox Monacular: what brain session?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Arisia
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was still jealous about you cal :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i also read ur session log :D
Eliza Madrigal: http://playasbeing.wik.is/index.php?...22The_Brain%22
Eliza Madrigal: a long session though... will take a bit of time, but interesting
Fox Monacular: thanks

Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s interesting it´s also the second time for me that somebody is mentioning thomas metzinger
Yakuzza Lethecus: and the ego tunnel
Eliza Madrigal: he does seem to be on everyone's brain lately ;-)
Fox Monacular: synchronicity... my boss just old me he's going to a conference with metzinger
Eliza Madrigal: !
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: and arisia
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu
Qt Core: hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: Hi, visiting with some friends in rl
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :) We just mentioned metziner (Bleu passed along a M site the other day)
Fox Monacular: hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: great!
Eliza Madrigal waves to Bleu's friends in rl
Bleu Oleander: wave back!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bleu Oleander: trying to convert!!

Calvino Rabeni: @eliza, that weaving process - I find sometimes the brain state known as "sleep" is useful :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu's friends
Eliza Madrigal: hehehehehe Cal
Bleu Oleander: be on good behavior!
Eliza Madrigal: yes I thought of that today, but Mick's internet was not working so I was lured here.... hehehe by forces unknown to me
Agatha Macbeth: We always are :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) good answer to both lines, Ag
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eliza Madrigal wonders if Bleu was warning us not to play her favorite song
Agatha Macbeth: Multi-purpose answer
Bleu Oleander: don't you dare
Eliza Madrigal: hehehhee
Agatha Macbeth: What's that?
Agatha Macbeth: Rhapsody in Bleu?

Bleu Oleander: onigokko
Yakuzza Lethecus: that´s only supposed to happen in my session regularly
Yakuzza Lethecus: :D
Agatha Macbeth: Oh hell
Eliza Madrigal didn't do it!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: stop
Eliza Madrigal: Ya is dangerous with those lemmings, too
Fox Monacular: uh-oh yakuzza...
Agatha Macbeth: Right....
Bleu Oleander: i'm out of here!
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, Nice to see you!
Agatha Macbeth: Have fun Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: stop
Bleu Oleander: bye :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Fox Monacular: hehehe that was cool
Fox Monacular: i missed it in these 2 months)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll bet
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Navi Bert
Fox Monacular: i tried it in rl... but nobody followed
Agatha Macbeth: It's blue Bert!
Qt Core: hi Bert
Eliza Madrigal: hahaah Fox. At the wedding? giggles... can be the new hokey pokey
Bertram Jacobus: hello all ... :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bert :)
Fox Monacular: haha, good idea, Eliza
Fox Monacular: but no, actually nobody danced
Agatha Macbeth: The Navi are invading!
--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fay, Welcome to Play as Being :)
Fay Yedmore: hi all thanks for the welcome
Eliza Madrigal: dazzling avatars :)
Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour
Eliza Madrigal: Fay, has Bertram told you about our group, and that we record our sessions?
Fay Yedmore: a bit
Fay Yedmore: yes
Eliza Madrigal: If you'd like not to be included, we can edit the log, so just let us know :)
Fay Yedmore: its ok
Eliza Madrigal: Great, thanks
Fay Yedmore: yw
Eliza Madrigal: I guess the simplest way to talk about the group in the beginning is that we generally discuss topics around the nature of reality, and engage in explorations...
Eliza Madrigal: like the pause you entered in during :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ya :)
Agatha Macbeth: Cya Yaku schlaf gut
Eliza Madrigal: today we've talked about brains and babies and hm... dancing a bit
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods and grins
Agatha Macbeth: Never a dull moment really

Agatha Macbeth: Did we ever work out what 'reality' was by the way?
Eliza Madrigal: hehehehe
Eliza Madrigal: Want to give it a stab?
Agatha Macbeth: Errrrr.......nnnnnnnnnnnno
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: 42?
Eliza Madrigal: I've been working with the 'nature of' phrase lately... like.... 'nature of play'
Agatha Macbeth: Mm?
Eliza Madrigal: like what is it that we feel when we
Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: stop
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the nature of onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bertram Jacobus: lool
Bertram Jacobus: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal thinks Agatha is a master log title- er
Eliza Madrigal: stop
Agatha Macbeth: You think?
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, cute!
Eliza Madrigal looks over at Fox and wonders what she thought of my taking her friend's line and naming a log "Fox is dragging me into weird stuff"
Agatha Macbeth: Sure am :))
Fox Monacular: he
Calvino Rabeni: Aga knows better than anyone - reality = T42
Eliza Madrigal thinks that might be what Fay is thinking about what Bert has done
Agatha Macbeth: and 24T?
Fox Monacular: it's actually something i hear a lot in RL
Eliza Madrigal: really?
Eliza Madrigal: hah
Agatha Macbeth: What has he done?
Fox Monacular: i mean... dream lab... you know
Eliza Madrigal: dragged Fay into something weird, Ag :)
Fox Monacular: hehe:)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes.. hehe
Agatha Macbeth: (Just don't mention 'hypogeum')
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bertram Jacobus is happy not to understand 2a single word" of all that :-))
Bertram Jacobus: "a single word"
Fay Yedmore thinks the same indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Er versteht nicht mein Gott!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha... got ya covered
Agatha Macbeth holds her hands up

Our visitor jumps right in...  

Fay Yedmore: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
Eliza Madrigal: Fay fits right in ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Sure does!
Fox Monacular: whoa.... i have sound off... just looked away from screen, and say my avatar dancing...
Fay Yedmore: stop
Fox Monacular: like an out-of-body experience
Agatha Macbeth: Or out-of-brain experience
Eliza Madrigal: silent onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Fox Monacular: i'm in a coffee shop
Fay Yedmore: lucky dancing not bring us babys then winks
Agatha Macbeth: Not always ;-)
Qt Core: time to go, bye all
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Qt :)
Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Fox Monacular: take care Qt
Fay Yedmore: bye bye qt
Qt Core: have fun ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, you too :)
Eliza Madrigal: Actually, I have to pull myself away also...
Agatha Macbeth: Don't we always?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, think I'll be off too
--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: I'll digest your mail Liz :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all, and hope to see you again Fay.
Eliza Madrigal smiles... thanks Ag
Agatha Macbeth: Likewise :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure Steve will find you, too :))
Fox Monacular: bye Eliza and Agatha, good to see you
Eliza Madrigal: Always nice to see you Fox, and By Cal, Ari, Bert...
Eliza Madrigal waves

...

Bertram Jacobus: its strange ... with winter/summer time ... always times change here ... thought meeting had just begun ...
Fox Monacular: yes, I think time changes at different days in North america and Europe
Bertram Jacobus: yes. exactly. so it must be
Fay Yedmore: bye bye to all i will leave now with bert
Bertram Jacobus: okay ... so i say bye, may all beings be happy please and ty all ! +wave* ...
arabella Ella: Hiya
Bertram Jacobus: just leaving - sry ara - summer - winter time confusions i had too ... ;-)
arabella Ella: me too!
arabella Ella: cant get used to time difference now
arabella Ella: bye Bert!
Fox Monacular: hi ara
Fox Monacular: internet sooo slow here..
arabella Ella: Hiya Fox havent seen you in ages ...I got lag too
arabella Ella: some of my chat has not appeared and will now be out of synch
arabella Ella: How are you Calvino?
arabella Ella: seems like Calvino is afk :)
--BELL--
arabella Ella whispers bye to Calvino :)
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni looks around at an empty pavilion - hmm, where did everyone go :)