The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.
Yakuzza Lethecus: morning bertrum
Bertrum Quan: Good morning, Yak
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today ?
Bertrum Quan: Fine thanks. And you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: also, thinking too much in non constructive ways i suppose but nothing i can´t handle :)
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Yakuzza Lethecus: hey scath
Bertrum Quan: Good morning, Scath
Scathach Rhiadra: hello yakuzza, bertrum
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye the way where are you from in the states bertrum ?
Bertrum Quan: Yes.
Bertrum Quan: And you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, little town called balve in germany
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s fine if you don´t want to give that away, i always try to elaborate more on the different ppl here
Bertrum Quan: Scath, do you have a topic for discussion this morning?
Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, nothing in particular
Scathach Rhiadra: have either of you anything?
Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing with a better contemplative core, sadly
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zon
Scathach Rhiadra: hello Zon
Bertrum Quan: Hi Zon
Yakuzza Lethecus: Hmm i was asking myself sometimes if there is anyone here who looks at for example buddism as a religion or if everyone is just picking some idea´s out of the diffrent eastern contemplative traditions.
Bertrum Quan: What is your stance on that?
Zon Quar: what do u mean by religion ?
Scathach Rhiadra: do you think it would be a good idea to pick things we may like ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: I am definetivly picking but not long exposed to the topic for a longer period of time.
Yakuzza Lethecus: So when i heard things about the different buddist ways or taoism ,,wu wei" around here i had a hard time changing my thought in splitting spirituality from religion.
Zon Quar: depends
Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s not yes very elaborated in my own mind zon
Yakuzza Lethecus: i had a stubborn view on religion and what religion really is
Zon Quar: if u just pick things..
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Zon Quar: u might end up digging small holes
Zon Quar: and never getting to a deep hole
Zon Quar: and find the water
Yakuzza Lethecus: for example for me it´s even good to see more contrasts
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am theoretically ,,catholic"
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t know that much about the christian traditions, even we seem to have monastic spiritual traditions
Zon Quar: as i have studied estern religions
Zon Quar: i have started to understand bible too
Zon Quar: but not the otehr way round
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i often ask my self now why i had such a monolithic view on religions before i now got into the feeling that many religions share core idea´s on spirituality but use obviously different meaphors,story´s,words for the same things
Zon Quar: nods
Zon Quar: water is one, but there ar many languages to express it differently
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Zon Quar: and should be
Zon Quar: otherwise this would be boring
Scathach Rhiadra: so do you think they are all talking about the same thing?
Yakuzza Lethecus: Has anyone elaborated more on comparative religious studies ?
Zon Quar: yes
Zon Quar: tao, buddhism, vedas
Zon Quar: esoteric christinas
Zon Quar: sufis
Zon Quar: hashids
Zon Quar: sam thing
Zon Quar: differnrt sides of it
Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, right now i tend to ,,the same thing"
Zon Quar: wholeness of all
Zon Quar: illusion of separateness
Zon Quar: ego illusion
Yakuzza Lethecus: but some buddist teachings seem to me more honest with ,,budda nature" and that we have everything already given
Zon Quar: buddhism is a method
Yakuzza Lethecus: we just don´t see it, but we constantly grasp for it
Zon Quar: not a religion
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, saying buddism sounds monolithic bye the way
Zon Quar: depends on ur thinking
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Zon Quar: all isms sound..lol
Zon Quar: buddha was not a buddhist
Zon Quar: christ was not christian
Zon Quar: or catholic
Zon Quar: or prostestant
Yakuzza Lethecus: I know when i first heard about ,,exegesis" and that ppl are interpreting everything ,,again and again and again" that it´s just not what it is but same things are interpreted in a different way in any age.
Yakuzza Lethecus: while it was nice to think ,,that´s the way it is"
Bertrum Quan: uh oh... battery is low
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
Qt Core: hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: but even today all the ppl i know whom are religious in catholisism ,,have faith"
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Yakuzza Lethecus: the don´t even want to know how dynamic things maybe are
Zon Quar: nods--that is normal
Zon Quar: ans safe
Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning qt :)
Scathach Rhiadra: would you say they live or practice their faith?
Yakuzza Lethecus: they live
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: and ppl are running away because nobody can explain why we have a ,,need for spirtuality"
Yakuzza Lethecus: but since we have only stubborn example propably we running to a faith where we see only the spiritual part
Yakuzza Lethecus: but that´s a long shot
Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes I think talking about or comparing religions can be a great excuse for not practicing anything, just finding more ideas that appeal to us to discuss
Zon Quar: yes..digging samm holes
Zon Quar: small
Yakuzza Lethecus: the problem is for me usually that ppl ain´t compare because they ain´t exposing themselves with the topc
Yakuzza Lethecus: comparing opinions
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am not very elaborated in my religious perspectives either
Qt Core: in the years i've read some about religions, but always about other religions, in quite a coward way i don't read about mine as that would make me have to confront my aderence to it
Zon Quar: sometimes one has to take distance..
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Zon Quar: and come back later
Zon Quar: otherwise there is danger
Zon Quar: u take for granted
Zon Quar: what is tought
Scathach Rhiadra: it ican be very hard to look at one's own beliefs
Zon Quar: gtg, c u guys
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zon
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Zon, thank you
Qt Core: yes, but i fear to have to confront a question more or like this, am i a catholic as i was raised as one or as i REALLY believe in it and if i am, why i don't practice/live it more ?
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to leave now
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care you both, it was interesting
Qt Core: have a nice day Yak!
Scathach Rhiadra: have a good day Yakuzza
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, have a good weekend Qt
Qt Core: you too!
Qt Core: bye
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
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