2010.03.05 13:00 - premium realestate,sillyness and changes on getting older

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Agatha Macbeth: Hi everybody
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga,then
Agatha Macbeth: I bought a friend :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: zen
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: Hi Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Only you here Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, at least so far :)
Agatha Macbeth: I could see Cal and Liza on my radar
Agatha Macbeth: They must be up to something else :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
Zen Arado: yes and Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hey
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: congrats Agatha!
Agatha Macbeth: TY :)
Bleu Oleander: welcome to PaB
Agatha Macbeth: I think i know it pretty well by now ;-)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Zen Arado: I got a free hoiuse today
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: Going in for building then Zen?
Zen Arado: you will get one too
Agatha Macbeth: Who me?
Zen Arado: for all premium account holders
Bleu Oleander: I heard about that
Zen Arado: and 512 sq m of land
Agatha Macbeth: What exactly is 'premium account'?
Bleu Oleander: do you get the land to put it on too?
Zen Arado: when you pay to be on here
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
Zen Arado: I got an email from Linden
Agatha Macbeth: Good or bad?
Zen Arado: about the house !
Zen Arado: so good I guess
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I have a house already anyways
Bleu Oleander: you need to buy property to put it on, right?
Zen Arado: me too
Zen Arado: I have 1/4 sim
Yakuzza Lethecus: do you have to claim the property ?
Zen Arado: no you get the land free if you have an account Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: or do they just give you the property ?
Zen Arado: yes it is on the email Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: because some ppl already had 512 meter
Yakuzza Lethecus: and another would make them propaply pay money
Bleu Oleander: so you get the land and a house for free if you have a premium membership?
Zen Arado: you automatically have 512 sq m if you have an account#
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: you just choose which type of house and move in
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but you´ve already been able to own 512 for free with a premium membership
Bleu Oleander: where is your land, do they let you choose?
Zen Arado: it is already on a piece of land
Yakuzza Lethecus: and 1024 isn´t free with premium
Yakuzza Lethecus: that´s why i was thinking :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the joys of bourgeois living :p
Zen Arado: don't think you can choose the land
Bleu Oleander: so when is the open house party?
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Zen Arado: forget the name - Fulsome or something
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yakuzza, Bleu
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liz :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hey Eliza
Zen Arado: wonder how many you can have on the property?
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Agatha... wow... more here than I've seen yet!
Zen Arado: you get 117 prims
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: And here comes Cal too
Bleu Oleander: hi cal
Zen Arado: Hi Liza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal, LiZa :)
Liza Deischer: hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal,liza
Calvino Rabeni: :) everyone
Bleu Oleander: hi Liza
Zen Arado: I can show anyone my house any time you want
Zen Arado: after maybe
Bleu Oleander: would like to see it!
Zen Arado: nothing in it yet
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
Eliza Madrigal: Here at PaB? In the village?
Zen Arado: no they allocate a place for you
Zen Arado: this is the free house Linden give you
Zen Arado: if you have a premim acct
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I see
Zen Arado: a new idea they have had
Zen Arado: free house on your 512 sq m
Eliza Madrigal: I know Liza has built up a place here in the village, but I don't think Bleu has chosen a spot... or Agatha certainly just arriving today :))
Zen Arado: that you also get free
Agatha Macbeth finds all this very confusing
Eliza Madrigal: And I didn't think you'd found a spot yet either, Zen...
Bleu Oleander: how do I go about choosing?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven´t had the need for a premium account so far
Eliza Madrigal: You walk around, and where there are grey rectangles, you stand...
Zen Arado: they sent me an email
Zen Arado: the Linden house I mean
Eliza Madrigal: and copy the coordinates up top, or put a prim box down (well, speaking for how to choose within pab)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol
Eliza Madrigal: if you copy coordinates, just send them to storm :)
Zen Arado: Hi Wol :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry to be late
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Wol :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: wol, i have a question you had 512 qm for free once before you rented even more land
Liza Deischer: hi Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: with the new linden 512 do you even have to pay for more land a month ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: since you already exceeded the free land limit ?
Wol Euler: no, that is the same 512 sq m that premium accountholders always had
Wol Euler: nothing has changed in the *accounting*
Wol Euler: what's new is that you can get a ready-made house on a ready-made plot
Wol Euler: rather than buying or building it yourself
Wol Euler: the Linden Home is your 512sq m tier-free allocation
Zen Arado: so long as you have an acct
Wol Euler: premium account
Zen Arado: lots don't
Eliza Madrigal thinks it would be great if every guardian set up some kind of spot in the village, too, and wants to have more dance parties :)
Wol Euler: right :)
Wol Euler: they're trying to improve the percentage of premies
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Eliza
Wol Euler: I encourage everyone to use my dance hall there.
Bleu Oleander: does everyone here have a spot in the village?
Wol Euler: one of these days I'll get around to putting out a dance chim for people who dance alone
Zen Arado: I don't
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks, Wol... is it music streamed?
Wol Euler: not yet
Yakuzza Lethecus: ii didn´t claim a spot either
Eliza Madrigal: After the session it would be great if you all did... still plenty of open spots
Zen Arado: I have land anyway that I don't use much
Bleu Oleander: OK
Eliza Madrigal: some just have little benches and trees... whatever you like...
Eliza Madrigal: Liza set up a meditation area, and Cal has an i-ching wheel...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Cool
Bleu Oleander: still don't understand how to tell what spots are available
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, when you walk around you'll notice... grey slabs on the ground
Wol Euler: those that aren't built on, bleu :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I've noticed them
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: So you send Storm the coordinates (like here would be 60,38,108), and he will remove the slab and see what you'd like for ground, name it what you ask for, etc :)
Zen Arado: if you click on ground and select About land it tells you who owns it
Eliza Madrigal nods.. yes or look up top where the coordinates are too
Zen Arado: well at least I can dump some old furniture in the new place
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles to see Ag wearing her pab tag :)
Agatha Macbeth: Glad to have it :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure why 'cultivator' exactly
Eliza Madrigal: Now you feel entirely different right? hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: What ami I cultivating?
Calvino Rabeni: congrats & welcome Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Thanx Cal
Zen Arado: us :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... awareness?
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah that too
Eliza Madrigal: friendship?
Agatha Macbeth: And that
Agatha Macbeth: :)))
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: silence pauses amidst the busyness of life?
Zen Arado: we need a lot of cultivating :)
Agatha Macbeth: For sure
Eliza Madrigal: yes :))
Agatha Macbeth: Makes us soundlike agardenor somthing
Eliza Madrigal: May we all be master gardeners
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: KB went funny...
Zen Arado: I have a lot of weeds
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Do you smoke them? ;-)
Eliza Madrigal shakes head
Zen Arado: nope gave it up :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not you!
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: well, that's one thing to cultivate... not sure it would fall under the awareness category...
Agatha Macbeth: Is tonight's topic land ownership then?
Zen Arado: old habits are like weeds
Agatha Macbeth wasn't sure....
Zen Arado: it was :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Bleu Oleander: land ownership and weeds :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good combo
Wol Euler: or perhaps that good old Friday standby
Eliza Madrigal looks on schedule.... hm... Friday: Stuff and Nonsense
Wol Euler: onigokko
Agatha Macbeth: One often comes with the other
Eliza Madrigal: stop
Agatha Macbeth: And onigokko too
Wol Euler: probably fits in the "nonsense" category
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen Arado: not sure I like the house I chose
Zen Arado: and not sure I can change it
Agatha Macbeth: Why did you choose it then?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Zen Arado: seemed ok
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Zen Arado: but it shares a quadranges with others
Zen Arado: quadrangle
Zen Arado: not much privacy
Agatha Macbeth: Nosey neighbours?
Zen Arado: but what would I need that for ? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Truly
Wol Euler: ((going afk for about ten mins, sorry))
Bleu Oleander: can you set privacy options?
Agatha Macbeth: Just pull the blinds down Zen
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Can you change the house? It seems SL's fun is its flexibility...
Zen Arado: yes but cameras can move long distances
Bleu Oleander: what about voice, text?
Zen Arado: well...it is placed on a certain piece of land
Eliza Madrigal: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: What sim is it in Zen?
Bleu Oleander: hi zon
Zon Quar: heya
Liza Deischer: hi Zon
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :) Nice to see you again
Zen Arado: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Folcastle/112/116
Zen Arado: Hi Zon :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, don't know it offhand
Zen Arado: no one else get the offer ?
Zen Arado: of house and land?
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't
Eliza Madrigal: Not that I need to upgrade.. am happy with the spot here and a little one I rent from Gaya :)
Zen Arado: hmmm..maybe they start wit oldest residents?
Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: brb
Zen Arado: I read an interesting article about sleep this week
Bleu Oleander: what were the hightlights?
Zen Arado: a guy claims that the invention of the lightbulb had disrupted our sleep patterns
Agatha Macbeth: Shame Fox isn't here :)
Zon Quar: sounds reasonable..
Zen Arado: we used to have 2 sleep sessions and now we only have one
Zon Quar: 2 ?
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting.... naps?
Eliza Madrigal looooves naps
Zen Arado: went to bed about ann hour after dusk and slept 4 hours
Agatha Macbeth: Zzzzzzzzzzz
Zen Arado: tthen git up for a couple of hours
Zen Arado: then back to bed for another 4
Bleu Oleander: naps are nice if you can do it
Calvino Rabeni: I read a similar article a while back - before the light bulb, there was a lot more integration of awake and asleep states of consciousness
Zon Quar: really..havne t heard that before
Calvino Rabeni: and also, of merging of people's intelligence
Eliza Madrigal: that makes perfect sense actually.... people often talk about waking up at some point in the night naturally
Calvino Rabeni: because they were sleeping together sometimes partly awake
Calvino Rabeni: and telling stories in the dark :)
Agatha Macbeth: We still had firelight tho didn't we?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: And torches
Zen Arado: scientific study showed that people went back to this pattern if they cut down the use of artificial light in the evenings
Zon Quar: where did they get the info about those 2 stages ?
Zon Quar: before electric light was invented
Eliza Madrigal: the same could be said of things like refrigeration, inclu air conditioning... it breaks up natural social patterns ... people in their houses more, etc
Zen Arado: http://www.experiencelifemag.com/iss...-of-sleep.html
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen
Eliza Madrigal: I have to get going, but interesting topic :) Have fun, Thanks :))
Zen Arado: so I am cutting down on lights at the moment
Agatha Macbeth: Intetresting
Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Eliza :)
Zon Quar: bye E
Calvino Rabeni: It is fun sometimes to leave the lights out at night and wander around the house in the dark
Zen Arado: hard to find things to do in the middle of the night thougif you live alone that is
Calvino Rabeni: I think it will reduce tension
Agatha Macbeth: And walk into things...
Calvino Rabeni: :) excuses :)
Zen Arado: it's funny how your night vision starts to improve tho
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it is a lot better than we assume
Zen Arado: we don't need as much lighting as we think
Zen Arado: more environmentally riendly too
Zon Quar: well u can come to sl
Zen Arado: yes hmmmm
Zon Quar: its open all night long
Calvino Rabeni: I wish SL were darker at night
Agatha Macbeth: And you can make it midday all the time if you want
Calvino Rabeni: same issue as with electtric lights, transferred to SL
Wol Euler: you can make it really dark if you want, by editing the environment
Zon Quar: next study will show how sl has cnahged our sleeping patterns
Wol Euler: can change hte colour of daylight ...
Calvino Rabeni: It doesn't get so dark that things become mysterious
Agatha Macbeth: You can?
Zen Arado: yes Zon :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm, the environment editor, at the bottom of the World menu
Calvino Rabeni: It would be good to be very dark, so you need to carry a lantern
Wol Euler: in emerald there are about a hundred samples that people made
Zen Arado: it only changes it for you then?
Wol Euler: yes, just you zen
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Intersesting
Agatha Macbeth: Or interesting
Agatha Macbeth: As well
Wol Euler: I'm not sure if it works inthe standard SL viewer though
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't there a new version out?
Wol Euler: it certainly works in the v2 beta, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wol Euler: World/Environment settings/Environment editor
Wol Euler: tehn click on "advanced sky"
Wol Euler: and at least in Emerald there is a popup menu with maybe a hundred samples
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, just found it :)
Wol Euler: I like "alchemy immortals - foggy morning"
Bleu Oleander: is Emerald a better viewer than the sl viewer?
Wol Euler: I think so, yes. It has some very nice features - many of which are in the v2 viewer
Bleu Oleander: does it work with macs?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: The Worn Items in Inventory is my fovourite
Agatha Macbeth: Very good for swapping your clothes
Wol Euler: http://modularsystems.sl/downloads.html
Bleu Oleander: thanks
Wol Euler: yw
Wol Euler: one tip: if you've modified your graphics settings, you should write them down carefully before changing, because Emerald may reset these to the defaults the first time it runs
Wol Euler is such a geek.
Zen Arado: he he
Agatha Macbeth: To be sure :)
Zen Arado: I liked Prufrock quote Wol :)
Wol Euler smiles. I'm pleased.
Zen Arado: careful or you will get me started :)
Zen Arado: love 'the Wasteland
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: and the Four Quarters
Wol Euler: *quartets
Zen Arado: yes that too :)
Wol Euler: but much of the rest has not aged well.
Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV
Zen Arado: Prifrock especially appeals to old gents :)
Wol Euler: :)
Zen Arado: 'I grow ol , I grow old
Zen Arado: I shall wear my trousers rooled
Zen Arado: rolled
Agatha Macbeth: Rooled sounds better
Wol Euler nods. It's funny how one's appreciation of books can change as you get older.
Zen Arado: drooled you mean :)
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Wol Euler: "Steppenwolf" for example reads very differently after you've had a few earnest discussions with doctors, and let fall some of the dreams that you'll never realize.
Agatha Macbeth: And nearly reached 50 :)
Wol Euler: (differently to when you were in your 20s)
Agatha Macbeth reaches for the razor
Wol Euler: shaving your legs=
Wol Euler: ?
Calvino Rabeni: time for a shave?
Zen Arado: :)
Calvino Rabeni: I think that referred to "wit"
Agatha Macbeth: It did?
Zon Quar: lol
Agatha Macbeth: (Got halfway)
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: though it was a slitting wrists job :)
Agatha Macbeth: I think Harry Haller had his throat in mind
Wol Euler nods
Calvino Rabeni: Today I picked up a venerable buddhist advice book - *very old* :)
Zen Arado: yes quicker
Wol Euler: mmmm?
Zen Arado: yes Cal?
Agatha Macbeth: Good?
Calvino Rabeni: It fell open to - what caught my eye - "realize that you will *never* accomplish all you dream of"
Calvino Rabeni: What are we to make of this?
Agatha Macbeth: It's probably right
Wol Euler smiles. It's a present.
Calvino Rabeni: Not to give up dreams
Bleu Oleander: the fun is in trying
Zen Arado: give up striving for enlightenment maybe
Calvino Rabeni: but to care for the highest aspirations, and be appreaciative of the infinite unfulfilled aspirations as well
Agatha Macbeth: There is no try young Jedi
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: If only it were so simple /// luckily, it's not that simple :)
Zen Arado: we were talking about this lately in WOK
Calvino Rabeni: As in "exclude nothing from acceptance"
Zen Arado: about abandoning all hope of fruition slogan
Calvino Rabeni: It means, nonattachment to the results.
Zen Arado: yes
Calvino Rabeni: It doesn't mean, nonattachment to the aspirations
Zen Arado: agree
Wol Euler: certainly doesn't mean to stop trying
Calvino Rabeni: true
Zen Arado: intention is everything
Wol Euler: perhaps if we combine this with Gandhi: "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is vitally important that you do it."
Calvino Rabeni: in a way, true, also
Zon Quar: and u shouldthin it is significant
Zon Quar: while u do it
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: yes Zon
Calvino Rabeni: the heart does not become immune, it breaks open
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Zen Arado: allowing what is to be
Liza Deischer: going, cu
Zen Arado: bye Liza
Agatha Macbeth: BFN Liza
Wol Euler: bye liza, take care
Zon Quar: m e 2 c u all
Bleu Oleander: bfn :)
Zen Arado: bye Zon
Wol Euler: bye zon
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Zon
Wol Euler: bye bleu
Zen Arado: me too then
Calvino Rabeni: I'm on my way somewhere, CU later, thanks :)
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Wol Euler: bye cal
Zen Arado: bye all
Agatha Macbeth: You too Bleu
Wol Euler: bye zen
Wol Euler: and then there were three.
Agatha Macbeth: And Zen too
Agatha Macbeth: Is something happening we don't know about?
Wol Euler: the end of the world, perhaps?
Wol Euler: Zarqon's second coming
Agatha Macbeth: O-blivion..........
Agatha Macbeth: Milliways?
Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
Wol Euler: well spotted
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes
Agatha Macbeth: And the self-sacrificing cow
Wol Euler: exactly.
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler: ah, heady days of long-ago
Agatha Macbeth: Yaku probably doesn't have a clue as to what we're talking about
Wol Euler: "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy"?
Wol Euler: wie hiess es auf deutsch? "Per Anhalter durch den Galaxis" oder sowas
Agatha Macbeth: Probably wasn't translated to German :)
Wol Euler: it wasn't nearly the massive/cult success here as in England
Agatha Macbeth: (Either that or he's afk)
Agatha Macbeth: Did you see the film version?
Wol Euler: no, nor heard the radio series
Wol Euler: I know it only as a four-part trilogy of books
Agatha Macbeth: I heard the radio and saw the TV series
Agatha Macbeth: The TV series was only the first series tho
Agatha Macbeth: I think the radio was three?
Wol Euler: >I believe so
Agatha Macbeth: From what i remember
Agatha Macbeth: Me and a friend of mine used to carry our towels everywhere :)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Those were the days
Agatha Macbeth: Do I see parts of Hellcat among what you're wearing?
Agatha Macbeth: The shoes and the belt look familiar
Wol Euler: darwin does some recycling, yes :)
Wol Euler: but the outfit is purely Blackheart
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Agatha Macbeth: Not Bluebeard?
Wol Euler: nope
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: no bearded ladies in darwin's store.
Agatha Macbeth: ;-)
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a new skin?
Wol Euler: yes indeed, a prototype
Wol Euler: from Pulse of course
Agatha Macbeth: Thought so
Agatha Macbeth: Natch
Wol Euler: I like it a lot, though it grew on me slowly (so to speak)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: The 'natural' look
Wol Euler: somehow also vaguely not-young
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm yes, I know what you mean
Agatha Macbeth: The 'no makeup' look
Wol Euler: it looks great at dawn and dusk, but in the light of midday there is a strange greenish cast to it
Agatha Macbeth: Alien?
Agatha Macbeth: Or Shrek?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'm pretty sure Yaku's gone to bed
Wol Euler: hehehhe
Wol Euler: looks like it
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like being GoC wears you out....
Wol Euler: well, he starts work very early (comparatively)
Agatha Macbeth: What time?
Wol Euler: an illusion?
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
Agatha Macbeth scratches her head
Agatha Macbeth: Now Wol's gone all philosophical on me
Wol Euler: ohk sorry, I thought you wqere asking.
Agatha Macbeth: You sound like you're ready for bed yerself
Wol Euler: pretty well, yes.
Wol Euler: it's been a long week
Wol Euler: and going to be a long week
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: Next week?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Does it never end?
Wol Euler: yes, that's why it is such a desperate panic now :)
Wol Euler: it is about to end, but we are not finished yet
Agatha Macbeth: I see
Agatha Macbeth: Penalty clauses and all that
Wol Euler: and disappointment and unhappiness
Wol Euler: but mostly the penalties
Agatha Macbeth: Demoralising
Agatha Macbeth: And with one less to do the work too
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: aaaaanyway.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, off to bed with you
Agatha Macbeth: I'll be off too
Wol Euler: yes ma'am
Agatha Macbeth: Stuff to do
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, goodnight yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Nite Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Yaku (if you can hear me!)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like he can't....
Agatha Macbeth: Farewell dear Recorder