2010.03.02 07:00 - Start of Thinking alternately

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Bleu Oleander: hi
    Riddle Sideways: good Morring, Bleu
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I was off looking for something
    Bleu Oleander: good morning!
    Riddle Sideways: was comuting yesterday and heard (mostly) a really good show on XM radio
    Bleu Oleander: what was that?
    Riddle Sideways: seems hard to look up archives to share in to the logs here
    Riddle Sideways: Tom Ashbrook's On POint (NPR) was interviewing
    Riddle Sideways: [here where I lost the name} an aurhor of a new book about the MIT kids
    Riddle Sideways: back in the early 60's
    Bleu Oleander: I listen to that show
    Bleu Oleander: sounds like an interesting one
    Riddle Sideways: some Harvard/ MIT kids names Timothy Leary, Richard Apert, and 2 others
    Bleu Oleander: heard about that book
    Bleu Oleander: a fun read i'm sure!
    Riddle Sideways: ah good, then you can tell me about it
    Riddle Sideways: some of the point was putting ourselves into that mindset
    Riddle Sideways: the 50's were ending
    Bleu Oleander: haven't read it yet
    Riddle Sideways: I not read it either
    Riddle Sideways: but they were exploring Reality
    Riddle Sideways: what it means to question ... everything
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning you both
    Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
    Riddle Sideways: good morning Yak
    Bleu Oleander: questioning is a good thing!
    Riddle Sideways: then these Harvard/MIT professors started "Playing" with what they had been just talking about
    Bleu Oleander: looking at the On Point schedule i see an intersting one: http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/02/...-the-afterlife
    Bleu Oleander: I read this book .... fantastic!
    Riddle Sideways: AH ha... thank you (wonder why I could not find that link)
    Riddle Sideways: http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/03/...ew-age-america
    Riddle Sideways: is the show I was refering to
    Riddle Sideways: oops, what happened to Yaku
    Bleu Oleander: I'll have to listen later
    Bleu Oleander: don't know where he went .... poofed
    Riddle Sideways: it got me thinking about.... (well everything)
    Riddle Sideways: but what if you lived in a "normal" mind space
    Riddle Sideways: and started to just think differently
    Riddle Sideways: and started 'Playing' with the alternatives
    Riddle Sideways: mixing Psychology, Arts, Science, Religion
    Bleu Oleander: wb Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry, connection issues :(
    Bleu Oleander: what is a "normal" mind space?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey pema,tim
    Riddle Sideways: [7:12] Riddle Sideways: good morning Yak
    Riddle Sideways: Good morning, Pema
    Riddle Sideways: please have a seat
    Pema Pera: Hi Riddle, Bleu, Yaku, Tim!
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Tim
    Bleu Oleander: hi Pema, Tim
    Pema Pera: (as soon as rezzing has rezzed :)
    Tim Darkthorn: Hello
    Tim Darkthorn: what are you guys up to?
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Tim, we are a group for "Playing As Being"
    Tim Darkthorn: I'm not sure what that means
    Riddle Sideways: click on the ball over on the white post
    Bleu Oleander: where are you from Tim?
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, am having issues with my inventory or I would give you the postcard
    Tim Darkthorn: i got one...
    Bleu Oleander: (I gave him a notecard)
    Tim Darkthorn: Thank you anyways... maybe when i am a little less "noob" i will come back and further explore your group
    Riddle Sideways: thnx
    Yakuzza Lethecus: In simple form for me this is a place to talk about own contemplative tradtions and find other ppl to talk about their own, no matter which background you have or if it´s even a religious tradition
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but often it´s also a nice general chat
    Bleu Oleander: sure, that would be great
    Tim Darkthorn: Thanks all... Have a Greatday!!! =)
    Bleu Oleander: you too!
    Riddle Sideways: ok, Tim
    Riddle Sideways: yes, image entering a new and wonderful altered reality for the first time
    Riddle Sideways: so much to explore
    Riddle Sideways: not the time to sit and discuss
    Pema Pera: hi, trying again -- unstable internet connection :)
    Riddle Sideways: WB
    Bleu Oleander: hi again Pema
    Bleu Oleander: it seems unstable today for me as well
    Riddle Sideways: and the single pixel Yak
    Riddle Sideways: well, my internet seems the only thing that is stable today
    Bleu Oleander: so Riddle, can you expand on what you said earlier?
    Riddle Sideways: we were (no I was...) about http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/03/...ew-age-america
    Bleu Oleander: [7:18] Riddle Sideways: it got me thinking about.... (well everything) [7:18] Riddle Sideways: but what if you lived in a "normal" mind space [7:19] Riddle Sideways: and started to just think differently [7:19] Riddle Sideways: and started 'Playing' with the alternatives [7:19] Riddle Sideways: mixing Psychology, Arts, Science, Religion
    Riddle Sideways: ah, yes that thread
    Riddle Sideways: image some highly educated experts in their fields getting together
    Riddle Sideways: and thinking in a different way
    Riddle Sideways: I'm 13 or 14 and the Beatles sing the last song on Revolver about these Harvard/MIT folks and I am blown away
    Riddle Sideways: is 4-5 years before I take any drugs at all. Yet my thinking has already gone that way
    Riddle Sideways: "Sit back and let your mind flow down stream..."
    Bleu Oleander: we had a salon the other night and the speaker said a similar thing about thinking in a new way
    Bleu Oleander: http://shesc.asu.edu/vanderleeuw
    Bleu Oleander: he is duch Pema .... have you met him?
    Bleu Oleander: dutch
    Pema Pera: no, I don't know him -- sounds interesting!
    Bleu Oleander: very interesting! I think you would enjoy meeting him
    Pema Pera: he teaches in Arizona?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, dir. of the school of human evo. and social change
    Pema Pera: I like the term "Phoenix Innovation Study" -- nice pun !
    Riddle Sideways: wow, his bio goes on and on. Maybe he can't keep a job :)
    Pema Pera: (just reading the web site)
    Pema Pera: hehehe, Riddle
    Bleu Oleander: his talk centered on building community
    Bleu Oleander: focused on individuals
    Bleu Oleander: building small networks
    Bleu Oleander: like PaB
    Pema Pera: well, he teaches "social change" after all !
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Riddle Sideways: [just sent link to my son, who is studying the same thing]
    Pema Pera: Yes, we do need new ways of thinking -- perhaps especially new ways of seeing
    Pema Pera: watching ourselves and the world and others in new ways
    Pema Pera: without the usual separations and classifications
    Pema Pera: stepping back to see what is really going on
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Pema Pera: we usually take for granted what we already seem to understand, and then add a bit more knowledge, on top of our full plate . . . .
    Pema Pera: but to subtract, emptying our plate, is a whole different move
    Riddle Sideways: we try to learn from history, but keep thinking the same ol way, so we repeat what we said we would not
    Riddle Sideways: to just park the same ol thinking and go on down the road
    Riddle Sideways: Justapose ourselves into some altered reality until that is the reality we ...
    Riddle Sideways: make up a new avatar
    Riddle Sideways: log onto a new virtual world
    Riddle Sideways: know that flying is normal
    Riddle Sideways: try a new way of thinking
    Riddle Sideways: think that it is pretty good
    Riddle Sideways: try it in what might be labeled "RL"
    Riddle Sideways: some times doing al this new way of thinking doesn't leave
    Riddle Sideways: room of the same ol way of doing things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, i listen to lectures all the time even when i am not particular interested in the topic and i often have the feeling that i learn things easier when i don´t have expectation and anticipation to learn something
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Pema Pera: yes, it's certainly good to have an open mind
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but still, somehow it won´t really work out intentionally i often feel that when i ,,want" something i just don´t have a definition and my ,,want" already includes it´s ,,out of reach status" as kind of an excuse to not ,,just doing it"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: meta thinking thinking is weired to talk about :)
    Riddle Sideways: between the practicing of the required musical pieces. You'll hear somebody else strike a new and moving note
    Pema Pera: yes, Yaku, we tend to limit ourselves -- either stick with what we already know, or consider the new knowledge somehow hard to get, elsewhere, off limits
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Calvino
    Pema Pera: Hi Calvino!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal
    Bleu Oleander: hi Cal
    Pema Pera: Well, I'll have to say goodbye -- am in the train between New York and Princeton, and about to arrive :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: see for lunch, Calvino!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care pema
    Calvino Rabeni: hello all / goodbye pema
    Pema Pera: bye Blue, Riddle, Yak
    Riddle Sideways: have the good day, Pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you´re in boston cal ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or new york today
    Calvino Rabeni: Today I'm in Princeton
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i remember you talked about flying to eastcoast :)
    Bleu Oleander: did the snow melt?
    Bleu Oleander: how are you enjoying your stay there?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not yet - it is still causing trouble :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I am enjoying it well
    Bleu Oleander: Princeton is such a beautiful town
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i guess you are used to it in NY state more then the ppl around NY city
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to be here in Spring time to see the greenery
    Bleu Oleander: I was there in the fall and it was very beautiful
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah washington state is seallte right ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes yakusan
    Calvino Rabeni: I missed the session - stuck in the snow! How was it?
    Bleu Oleander: what are you doing in Princeton?
    Riddle Sideways: seeing Pema in Princton?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, this is the first time to meet him in RL
    Bleu Oleander: the Institute is a wonderful place
    Riddle Sideways: he is impressive at 6'5"
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: one meter dread locks also
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Riddle Sideways: and that scotish acsent
    Calvino Rabeni: Dagger in the belt, too :)
    Bleu Oleander: have to get to work .... have a great day everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu
    Riddle Sideways: bye bleu and thanks
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, he´s a funny,little,kind,impressive professor with a cute dutch dialect! :)
    Riddle Sideways: oh, you are always so truthful
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I also need to go
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, ok bye all! take care
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Riddle Sideways: thanks Cal
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, bye riddle ?
    Riddle Sideways: how come some times I can see you Yak and sometimes not?
    Calvino Rabeni: When Riddle disappears, do things then become clear?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if you´re one with the universe you can hide better everywhere ? :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah... maybe
    Calvino Rabeni: The universe is made of riddles, so it is good to have them around
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The sideways ones are the safest
    Calvino Rabeni: but also very persistent
    Riddle Sideways: yet to be seen
    Calvino Rabeni: I met your namesakes today several times, Mr. Sideways
    Riddle Sideways: ah, I have not yet met any
    Yakuzza Lethecus: me neither with my lethecus name
    Calvino Rabeni: The surname "Riddler" exists in SL also
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye the way, did you met pema, riddle ?
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how ?
    Riddle Sideways: in California, before the first retreat (that I could not attend)
    Riddle Sideways: but, virtually know him from 2 other virtual worlds
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nice :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care both of you!
    Riddle Sideways: he lectured (is that the right word?) at another of my lifes
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I must leave too.
    Riddle Sideways: bye
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
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