2010.03.11 01:00 - Hour of the Wolf

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado. I was joined By SophiaSharon and we had a nice interesting chat about a range of issues including language study, sleep patterns and Green Meditation, SL building and Irish weddings.

    I forgot to turn my translator off, as I often do, and that led to a discussion of language study.

            SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ok if i sit here with you for a while?
            Zen Arado: Hello Sharon :)
            Zen Arado: you are very welcome :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ty
            Zen Arado: oops had tanslator still on
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i see :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: find myself awake, its 4 am where I am
            Zen Arado: I have a French friend
            Zen Arado: do you often wake early?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: :)) lovely, althought both have to learn to communicate
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            Zen Arado: he he I am always having two conversations at once
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
            Zen Arado: about French friend - I do try to speak French to her as much as possible
            Zen Arado: I like French language
            Zen Arado: hate being so monolingual
            SophiaSharon Larnia: its very lyrical, as far as I can tell
            SophiaSharon Larnia: in cadence anyway
            Zen Arado: yes - even a French is nice I tink
            Zen Arado: accent I mean
            SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
            Zen Arado: translator progs make a lot of mistakes too
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i keep meaning to lean spanish (more useful in my country), but like many things...the time slips by
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes!! i tried it andhad to laugh and give up
            Zen Arado: I know - I used to try to learn Spanish too
            Zen Arado: I used to go to Spain for holidays
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nice
            Zen Arado: from the UK Spain is a very cheap destiination - very popular
            SophiaSharon Larnia tries to imagine it
            SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
            Zen Arado: you need motivation to make you learn a language
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i wanted to know what it would be like to think in a different language, not necessarily to communicate in, but that is a big reason too
            SophiaSharon Larnia: if i was thrown somewhere with a different language i think id pick it up easily
            Zen Arado: I am still trying to find easier ways to learn
            Zen Arado: yes
            Zen Arado: I read French online magazines
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oo lala :))
            SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
            Zen Arado: they are just about normal things :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes the motivatin, there are so many things im interested in , and I guess i do the easier things forst
            Zen Arado: I read computer articles for instance
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, Zen, i was kidding
            Zen Arado: :)
            Zen Arado: it is good because it gives you topical subjects
            SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
            Zen Arado: time is so short
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i took latin in high school, some would say thats a good thing, but it seems useless
            SophiaSharon Larnia: helped with english
            Zen Arado: I did that too
            Zen Arado: don't think they teach Latin much nowadays
            Zen Arado: I think it is a good language to learn
            SophiaSharon Larnia: mine was an almost self study, with workbooks and a teacher helping when i got stuck... i learned from that experience that that is how i learn best
            Zen Arado: I am reading a biography of Montaigne and he was made to speak Latin aroung the house when he was a child
            SophiaSharon Larnia: speak??? oh my
            SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
            Zen Arado: lot's of great literature was written in Latin or Greek in those days
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            Zen Arado: so it was a big advantage
            SophiaSharon Larnia: still speakers of lating in the 1500's
            Zen Arado: all I remember was 'Ceaser's Conquests of Gaul' :)
            Zen Arado: Montaigne was born in 1533
            Zen Arado: interesting that he advacated living in the present moment and being mindful 'paying attention'
            Zen Arado: he got that from reading Stoic philosophy
            SophiaSharon Larnia: from reading about him, he grapples with the verty same things we do today it seems
            Zen Arado: some of those philosophers had travelled to the East with Alexander the Great
            Zen Arado: yes

    Our bad typing and voice to text conversion programemes.

            SophiaSharon Larnia: (sorry about the typos)
            Zen Arado: I am worse typist than you :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
            Zen Arado: I have an excuse - my fingers are weak
            Zen Arado: especially on my left hand
            SophiaSharon Larnia: thats a good reason, mine is just sloppiness i guess
            Zen Arado: I use voice typing a lot
            Zen Arado: but it doesn't work too well in SL window
            SophiaSharon Larnia: voice typing?
            Zen Arado: yes - a program that converts speech into type for you
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh very cool
            Zen Arado: it works quite well if you practice with it
            SophiaSharon Larnia: great for people unable to do so :)))
            Zen Arado: Dragon Naturally Speaking is good
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow ive thought about it before but didnt know it existed
            Zen Arado: it is very fast if you get good at it
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont even have a microphone, i keep meaning to get one
            Zen Arado: best to buy a headset, and they are very cheap, just a few dollars
            Zen Arado: good for Skype too

    The sleep discussion reminded me of an recent Tricycle article about "sleep recovery."

            Zen Arado: you ever read Tricycle magazine?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: my sister lives far awai have this weird resistance to using voice or skype in sl
            SophiaSharon Larnia: no what is it? ive heard it before here i think :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops added soe text there i didnt mean to
            Zen Arado: it is a Buddhist magazine
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh just opened it, i have read bits and pieces
            SophiaSharon Larnia: months ago
            Zen Arado: why I mentioned it - there is a retreat - series of talks - on sleep patterns
            Zen Arado: atm
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ::stretches in the 90 secs:: :))
            Zen Arado: by a man called Clark Strand
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i work night shift, and have more trouble with it than I used to (getting older) :)
            Zen Arado: http://www.tricycle.com/online-retre.../recovery-dark
            Zen Arado: I used to have to do that for years
            SophiaSharon Larnia: "recovery of the dark" hmm
            Zen Arado: I worked in power stations
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my
            Zen Arado: used to work 7 night shifts in a row
            Zen Arado: 12 to 8am
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no so hard :)
            Zen Arado: then I couldn't sleep at night fro 2 or 3 days after
            SophiaSharon Larnia: well, im at a place now i think 'recovery of the light' is slightly more appropriate :)
            Zen Arado: :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: but interesting ideas in it
            Zen Arado: you work in a hospital
            Zen Arado: ?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes 12 hour shifts
            Zen Arado: better in some ways - but long shifts too
            SophiaSharon Larnia: more days off during the week
            Zen Arado: modern shifts you only work 2 or 3 night shifts in a row
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent been using the time well though
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes its nice to be off 4-5 days
            SophiaSharon Larnia: but think i need to go back to the light, in the sense of the rhythym of the rest of the world
            Zen Arado: yes - it can be a bit antisocial
            Zen Arado: out of tune with the rest of the world
            Zen Arado: what do you mean about not using time well?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: having so many days off, i will waste it by being non productive, laying about the house and in sl too much ;p
            Zen Arado: funny how we think we have to be 'producive'
            SophiaSharon Larnia: so may as well work 5 days a week
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes very true
            Zen Arado: part of ur conditioning?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: undoubtably :)
            Zen Arado: meant 'our' conditioning :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: even down time 'should' be spent with something productive
            Zen Arado: I have been 'retired' for many years and still feel I need to produce something
            SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
            Zen Arado: need to keep self-improving
            Zen Arado: a lot is just trying to impress others I think
            SophiaSharon Larnia: thats another thing too, self improvement, feel like i have to know this self before i can even improve on it.... and yes, self improvement based on someone elses standards
            Zen Arado: yes - exactly
            SophiaSharon Larnia: dropping labels.... finding out what is left there
            SophiaSharon Larnia: adding worry about what someone else thinks is just too much :)
            Zen Arado: I just started a great bok called 'The Book of Not Knowing'
            SophiaSharon Larnia: :)) brb k?
            Zen Arado: sure
            SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry Zen back :)
            Zen Arado: np
            Zen Arado: meant to say about sleep patterns
            Zen Arado: "In the popular culture the hours of Green Meditation are sometimes referred to as "the hour of the wolf," because this is the time when anxieties, health or financial worries, and other personal problems often come to the fore. These are the thoughts or issues we often avoid during the daylight hours. But they surface in our dreams or when we wake during the night."
            Zen Arado: from Clark Strand
            Zen Arado: when you wake in the middle of the night
            SophiaSharon Larnia: green meditation
            Zen Arado: sometimes happens to me and I feel very bad - but it is only thoughts I remind myself
            SophiaSharon Larnia: things definately look different during that time of day
            SophiaSharon Larnia: the isolation and lack of distraction is part of it
            Zen Arado: yes - he says it is actually our normal cycle to wake for an hour or two middle of night
            Zen Arado: yes agree
            SophiaSharon Larnia: so much we do to distract ourselves contantly
            Zen Arado: true
            Zen Arado: fill our lives with distractions
            SophiaSharon Larnia: im not sure about normal cycle though, yes we emerge from deeper stages of sleep, but to awaken fully?
            Zen Arado: don't even realize we do it
            Zen Arado: well - he says the invention of the electric light bulb seriously changed our sleep patterns
            Zen Arado: our ancestors went to bed an hour after dusk
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to wake up in the middle of the night when i was 4-5 and would walk around the house, outside
            SophiaSharon Larnia: even then i was odd :P
            Zen Arado: I used to sleepwalk when a child too
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh no
            Zen Arado: I fell down the stairs once
            SophiaSharon Larnia: !!!
            Zen Arado: but he says we slept for about 4 hours the were awake fro 2 hours then slept 4 hours more
            SophiaSharon Larnia: (tried to grab Zen from falling in her dream mind )
            Zen Arado: so the 2 hours in the middle of the night could be used for quiet talking or meditation or something
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i guess that is loosely correct, i do that on my own, if i have nothing planned for the day
            Zen Arado: he quotes a scientific study to back this up
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ill also revert to a 26-28 hour day, if im really loose on what i have to do
            SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting
            Zen Arado: http://www.experiencelifemag.com/iss...-of-sleep.html
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow so instead of being strange, im normal LOL
            Zen Arado: yes I remember a study that says some of us have a longer than 24 hour sleep pattern
            Zen Arado: yes:)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
            Zen Arado: very normal :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: night shift people are a somewhat unique people ive found
            SophiaSharon Larnia: in a way
            SophiaSharon Larnia: more open to things less conventional
            Zen Arado: I used to think shift working would be bad for your health
            SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i do think it is, because ill often be awake almost 24 hours
            Zen Arado: but I know lots of guys spent years doing it and they are still around in their eighties
            SophiaSharon Larnia: hahah
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes    

    About building:

        Zen Arado: I have a SL friend who is a surgeon
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes?
            Zen Arado: obsetrics and gyneacology
            Zen Arado: he lives in Bigota
            Zen Arado: Bogota
            Zen Arado: he spends a lot of time building in SL
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow I wonder how they find time for sl!
            SophiaSharon Larnia: building is a relaxing activity, really
            Zen Arado: yes he loves it
            Zen Arado: he builds Buddhist temples too
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
            Zen Arado: you build a lot too?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i fiddle
            Zen Arado: I read your interview with Eliza
            Zen Arado: :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to do it much more, am in some sort of blank space atm
            SophiaSharon Larnia: talking about things seems to do that for me
            Zen Arado: I have bilt a few houses but they are not as good as the ones I can buy
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is i can make it look nice but dont want to buy the scripts that make them really wonderful, i am fiddling with statues now
            Zen Arado: sculpties
            Zen Arado: ?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            SophiaSharon Larnia: but have much learning to do
            Zen Arado: I went to a lecture on that but the presenter lost me after the first 10 mins
            Zen Arado: they go too fast for me
            SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh yes :)
            Zen Arado: Builders Brewery or something the group was called
            Zen Arado: you tried it?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i like that place, i used to go to new citizens
            SophiaSharon Larnia: actually used to go to anything that was available, even if too advanced at the time
            SophiaSharon Larnia: obsessively :)
            Zen Arado: I would like to learn more about that but no time
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, takes up a lot

    Meeting with Piet and retreats:

            SophiaSharon Larnia: im meeting Piet in Princeton today
            Zen Arado: I paint and that takes time
            Zen Arado: ah great
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oooh i havent done that in ages!
            SophiaSharon Larnia: paint
            Zen Arado: going to the dinner?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: no, luch
            SophiaSharon Larnia: lunch*
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i think next weekend is a dinner with a lot of people, im still not sure if i can go
            Zen Arado: I would like to go to a retreat but travel is so difficult for me
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            SophiaSharon Larnia: youre in irelnd???
            Zen Arado: yes
            Zen Arado: but I am in a wheelchair
            SophiaSharon Larnia: well, schedule a retreat there I want to go to Ireland so bad!! LOL
            SophiaSharon Larnia: we'll come to you!
            SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
            Zen Arado: I do go to zen retreats here
            Zen Arado: ther is a nixe retreat center near me
            Zen Arado: nice
            SophiaSharon Larnia: good, sometimes they are so far

    Irish Weddings:

        SophiaSharon Larnia: how many americans come to ireland to get married, do you know?
            Zen Arado: to get married?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i had an idea once, id like to get married in a pub with just a pastor and a couple as witnesses :) i think it would be a greatt time
            Zen Arado: ah there is some kind of matchmaking fair in the South
            SophiaSharon Larnia: not to meet someone there
            Zen Arado: oh you bring you intended with you then?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: just thought it would be more fun that the traditional wedding hoopla, yes
            SophiaSharon Larnia: bring several couples :)
            Zen Arado: like people from here go to Las Vegas
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)) hahaha
            Zen Arado: and have an Elvis impersonator:)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: im a Mc- which doesnt give me any special sort of connection, but i love the music so much
            Zen Arado: Scottish connection

     Irish names and ancestry:

            SophiaSharon Larnia: (actually a Mc- from a Mac- LOL)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes youre right ;p
            Zen Arado: not sure if Mac is Irish now
            Zen Arado: Macormick?
            Zen Arado: hmmmm
            SophiaSharon Larnia: the music makes me happy, even the sadder ballads, odd
            Zen Arado: I have an English name - John Taylor
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes laughs :))
            Zen Arado: over 5000 of them in the USA :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: probably!!!
            Zen Arado: some of Irish music is very sad
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i have to go, so nice talking to you Zen!!!!!
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed
            Zen Arado: about people who are homesick for Ireland
            SophiaSharon Larnia: it pulls my heart strings more than other genres, if you know what i mean
            Zen Arado: maybe you have Irish ancestry?
            SophiaSharon Larnia: scottish, anyway, for certain
            Zen Arado: so many Americans do
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, those celts really got around
            SophiaSharon Larnia: as well as the english
            Zen Arado: a large percentage of people in N.Ireland have Scottish ancestry
            SophiaSharon Larnia: my grandfather was an emigrant to Maine in the us when he was about 10 or so
            Zen Arado: some ares they even have Scottish accents
            SophiaSharon Larnia: oh
            Zen Arado: we are so close to Scotland
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
            Zen Arado: about 20 miles by ferry
            SophiaSharon Larnia: a coworker went to ireland, and she didnt like it, she said everyone asked her if she was someone famous
            SophiaSharon Larnia: she happens to be very pretty
            SophiaSharon Larnia: by usa standards
            Zen Arado: don't why she wouldn't like that :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know
            Zen Arado: don't know I mean
            Zen Arado: I live beside a Norman castle
            SophiaSharon Larnia: she is a city girl, she said it was just a place.... i dont think she was into the music
            SophiaSharon Larnia: wow very nice
            Zen Arado: there are busloads of tourists all year round
            SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
            Zen Arado: sometimes I talk to them
            Zen Arado: as I feed the pigeons :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: im always too conscious about not offending the people that live in the place that im visiting
            SophiaSharon Larnia: aware that they may think that WE think they are on display or something lol
            Zen Arado: yes so many preconceptions we have....
            Zen Arado: stereotypes
            Zen Arado: http://www.my-secret-northern-irelan...-weddings.html
            SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
            Zen Arado: you could get married in the castle Sharon :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: yay how lovely is tha
            SophiaSharon Larnia: that*
            SophiaSharon Larnia: and then a reception in a pub LOL
            SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
            SophiaSharon Larnia: do have to go, see you later Zen!!!
            Zen Arado: ok bye Sharon
            Zen Arado: nice talking to you :)
            SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :))

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