2010.03.12 01:00 - Cookies for Avalokiteshvara

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session.


    Eden was sitting in the Playgoda as I arrived.

    Wol Euler: hello eden! welcome home
    Eden Haiku: Hi Wol!
    Eden Haiku: Thank you ;-)


    Wol Euler: I've loved reading your tweets from India
    Eden Haiku: It was a pleasure to write them, thank you!
    Eden Haiku: How are you doing these days?
    Wol Euler: drowning in work. This is about the third PaB session I've attended in two weeks, because I am usually still at work at 10pm my time :/
    Wol Euler: otherwise well, thanks :)
    Eden Haiku: Just read about the depression you experienced after the retreat. I did experienced something like that after intense practice when I was living in an ashram. Strange phenomenon.
    Wol Euler nods. Thank you, it's good to hear that one is not alone in that.
    Eden Haiku: I have no understanding of why these things happen but to welcome them seems the only way.
    Wol Euler nods again.
    Wol Euler: knowing that they *may* happen is an advantage, one might be less dismayed if it does.
    Eden Haiku: As to welcome being drowned in work ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: As Elton John famously said, "I'd rather have ham in my sandwich than cheese, but complaining won't do any good."
    Eden Haiku: I remember something called "pink cloud" in spiritual practice... Cheese sandwiches only ;-)
    Wol Euler: :)

    I launch straight into the most important question. 

    Wol Euler: how was the food in India?
    Eden Haiku: So good!
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: mostly vegetarian/vegan?
    Eden Haiku: A paradise for a vegetarian!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eden Haiku: dal and bhasmati rice and chapatis and banana pancakes fopr breakfast.
    Wol Euler: mmmmmmmm
    Wol Euler holds out an empty plate with a pleading expression
    Eden Haiku: And then momos in Dharamsala, mostly tibetan food at the end of the trip.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, please have some more chai with samosas and rassmallah!
    Wol Euler: ((haven't had breakfast yet, I slept through the alarm and barely made it here))
    Eden Haiku: Oh, you are the GOC then?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: um, if this is Friday I am. If not, I'm in trouble at the office :)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it is Friday, I know that much...
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: you must be deep in some exotic kind of jetlag?
    Eden Haiku: I,m in the middle of the night, went to bed so early that I woke up.
    Wol Euler: heh
    Eden Haiku: But I will have to catch up sleep, I have an appointment this afternoon.
    Eden Haiku: But please, feel free to fix yourself some breakfast while I sit here a while.
    Wol Euler: thank you :) tea is ready, I'll butter some toast and be right back
    Eden Haiku: Sure dear!


    Wol Euler: back, nomming
    Eden Haiku: wb
    Wol Euler: ty
    Eden Haiku: nomming?
    Wol Euler: internet-speak for "eating" :)
    Wol Euler: as in mmmmmm nom nom nom nom
    Eden Haiku: oh!
    Wol Euler grins. One of those odd things that develop in communities
    Eden Haiku: Nom nom well, Wol!
    Wol Euler smiles. It isn't chai and dal, but it'll keep me going for a while


    There is no tsampa. 

    Eden Haiku: My eating pattern is disrupted by jet-lag. I crave breakfast at all times of day!
    Eden Haiku: Tsampa mostly.
    Eden Haiku: And there is no tsampa here ;-)
    Wol Euler: :(
    Wol Euler: could you make it yourself?
    Eden Haiku: What time to you start at your job?
    Eden Haiku: I would need to find the barley flour, and then yes.
    Eden Haiku: I discoverd tsampa very recently, a few days ago only.
    Wol Euler: I googled and found a Swiss supplier. I'm sure it exists in Canada too, but if not I could order it for you
    Eden Haiku: They serve it with dried fruits and nuts in Dharamsala, a wonder!
    Wol Euler: and you can make polenta with it too:)
    Wol Euler: (it says here)
    Eden Haiku: Oh thanks, I will certainly find some here.
    Eden Haiku: Looks like polenta a bit but whitish and sweet,


    Eden brings up a memory of tsampa that gives me a title. 

    Eden Haiku: When I took Avalokiteshvara empowerment with His Holiness in Montreal around 1992
    Eden Haiku: He said: we usually give Avalokiteshvara some tsampa but as we don,t have it here, we will give him cookies.
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Eden Haiku: I'm still laughing...
    Wol Euler: me too.
    Wol Euler: but he's right, surely. The point is to share what you have, to give of what is available.
    Eden Haiku: I was then concerned beacuse we were supposed to visualize Avalokiteshvara and I had then never seen any picture of him...
    Eden Haiku: So I substitute some other Toibetan deity (Manjushri) as a cookie replacement... I supposed it would work as well...
    Eden Haiku: I'm so "by the book" sometimes, it was a good lesson for me!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I want to hear all about India, and about Dharamsala, but I feel greedy asking you questions when there's only me to hear the answers
    Wol Euler: the others will want to know too


    On to the second great topic. 

    Eden Haiku: Is it sill snowing in Stuttgart?
    Wol Euler: yes, alas.
    Wol Euler: again/still
    Eden Haiku: No?
    Eden Haiku: It was so bitterly cold in Amsterdam two days ago, I could not believe it!
    Wol Euler nods
    Eden Haiku: Europe had a very difficult winter!
    Wol Euler: this is almost unprecedented.
    Eden Haiku: And here, my friend is telling me it has been mild and spring-like!
    Wol Euler: it hardly ever snows in Stuttgart, and the snow never lasts this long on the ground
    Wol Euler: it was mild here, for nearly two weeks.
    Eden Haiku: And in Delhi they suffer terrible cold in January.
    Wol Euler: two saturdays ago, we sat outdoors in the garden in just sweaters, drinking coffee in sunshine
    Wol Euler: and now this!!!!?!?
    Eden Haiku: Must be disconcerting
    Wol Euler: annoying :)


    Eden Haiku: And must make things difficult to go to work? Streets? Shoveling?
    Wol Euler: and I feel sorry for the birds, hopping about hungry looking for the food that's buried 3 inches deep
    Eden Haiku: Poor birds, yes. Nature suffers too.


    Climatic change: just because it's cold right now doesn't mean global warming isn't happening. 

    Eden Haiku: These are warning signs of something so wrong and yet...we do mainly nothing about it.
    Wol Euler: agreed!
    Wol Euler: my fear is that people look at the cold weather and think "well, global warming is a crock" and go out and buy another big car
    Eden Haiku: We will wake up and it will be too late...
    Wol Euler: we need to rename GW to something like "irreversible unpredictable catastrophic climatic change"
    Wol Euler: because that is the point
    Eden Haiku: Yes, big cars. In India, in small small country roads, they have these big big cars!
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: heh, an image came to me. Us telling them not to build/buy huge gas-guzzling cars is like a notorious drug-user, now grown old and wise, telling kids not to do drugs
    Wol Euler: they just laugh
    Eden Haiku: They do just laugh yes...
    Eden Haiku: Understandable.
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eden Haiku: And yet, they are more than one billion...
    Eden Haiku: Wondering where all this is going...
    Wol Euler: nowhere nice, I fear.
    Wol Euler: it's the tragedy of the commons on a global scale
    Eden Haiku: Individullay, it is hard to find a starting point. What could I do?
    Wol Euler: oh, there are things that people can do. Buy locally grown food, walk or take the bus
    Wol Euler: it's probably easier for city dwellers
    Eden Haiku: I do not own a car and I don't drive, so I feel I'm doing something.
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: the next big thing is to stay out of airplanes :)
    Eden Haiku: But then I fly and I drink bottled water...
    Wol Euler: in terms of "carbon footprint"
    Eden Haiku: Could buy my carbon footprint yes. I did not...
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure about the validity of applying the carbon footprint to flying.
    Eden Haiku: But we feel silly don,t we, trying to do somethiong at our tiny level when the whole picture is so wrong...
    Wol Euler: if there is a plane is going from Frankfurt to Toronto anyway, then it makes no appreciable difference to the world whether I am on it or not
    Wol Euler: so I might as well be there.
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes... ;-)
    Wol Euler: but I will take the train to Berlin and back, and give up an entire day to a 90 minute meeting, rather than flying there
    Wol Euler: that one can do.
    Eden Haiku: They are supposed to create environmental friendly programs with this carbon footprints money...
    Wol Euler: in Germany there are federal programs to retrofit insulation and better windows and solar heating/power to housing
    Wol Euler: the government will pay half of the costs, basically
    Eden Haiku: Yes, we have those around here too.
    Wol Euler: and if your solar roof panels produce more electricity than you consume, the grid buys the excess from you


    Building for the environment. 

    Eden Haiku: That is a start. As an architect, you must deal with these plans a lot?
    Wol Euler: actually, no, we don't do housing.
    Wol Euler: but energy effiency is important.
    Eden Haiku: Ah! Buildings?
    Wol Euler: triple glazing, 8 inches of high-density insulation, waste heat recovery ...
    Eden Haiku: Oh oh...
    Wol Euler: we are working on a swimming pool complex right now, about the least energy-efficient type of building there is :)
    Wol Euler: but we try.
    Eden Haiku: Especially in a snowbound Germany...
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: btw you asked earlier when I start work. I've been working 9:30 to 11:00 for two weeks
    Wol Euler: including weekends
    Eden Haiku: Was nice talking with you, I better try to catch some sleep...
    Wol Euler: yes, eden, you have some catching up to do!
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I heard about that. That is a lot of work Wol, take care of your health...
    Wol Euler: it's lovely to see you again, welcome back.


    Eden Haiku: I had some burn out years ago and it is really tough to come back from it...
    Wol Euler nods.
    Eden Haiku: Thank you . Have a very nice day!
    Wol Euler: I'll try
    Wol Euler: and I hope you find some tsampa


    Lisa arrives as Eden leaves. 

    Wol Euler: hello liza
    Liza Deischer: hi Wol, Eden
    Eden Haiku: Will keep you posted about tsampa! hello Liza, I was on my way back to sleep!
    Liza Deischer: bye eden
    Liza Deischer: bit late I guess
    Wol Euler: sleep well
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: heh
    Wol Euler: not to worry :)
    Liza Deischer: I'm afraid I just got up :-)
    Wol Euler: good for you!
    Wol Euler: wish I could say the same.
    Liza Deischer: I can imagine
    Wol Euler: I nearly missed my session, slept through the alarm
    Liza Deischer: then you must be very tired
    Wol Euler nods.
    Liza Deischer: which isn't a surprise I guess
    Liza Deischer: You're okay?
    Wol Euler: I think so, yes.
    Wol Euler: and you?
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: I was very tired last week
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Liza Deischer: having asked too much form myself
    Liza Deischer: but slowly feeling better
    Wol Euler: good
    Liza Deischer: and starting to sleep better too :-)
    Wol Euler: very good :)
    Liza Deischer: but if I sink through my physical resistents, it also has consequences on the psychological level
    Wol Euler: oh yes, definitely.
    Liza Deischer: so I'm glad I passed that
    Liza Deischer: you don't need to work today?
    Wol Euler: yes, I do, just not yet. The office accepts my Friday mornings off for SL
    Wol Euler: though they probably think I'm mad
    Liza Deischer: oh, thats great
    Liza Deischer: heheh
    Wol Euler: well they can hardly complain given the amount of overtime that I'm doing.
    Liza Deischer: no, they can't
    Wol Euler: I would love to work to the rule of my contract! to start and finish exactly on time
    Liza Deischer: yes, I understand
    Liza Deischer: Except for the times that you really have something different to do
    Liza Deischer: like today
    Liza Deischer: you never know what your day is going to look like
    Wol Euler: yep
    Wol Euler: which is good in a way, I don't think I'd be happy as a worker on an assembly line
    Liza Deischer: true too
    Wol Euler smiles. Although, actually, I have done that before, and it wasn't bad at all :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: because after a half hour or so your body does the work by itself,and your mind is absolutely free
    Liza Deischer: so there is something in it for you, you like
    Liza Deischer: okay.....interesting
    Wol Euler: oh yes, I love the job, it's only the excess of hours that upset me
    Liza Deischer: what is it you do exactly?
    Wol Euler: I'm an architect
    Wol Euler: right now we are producing tender documents (lists of instructions and quantities of materials basically)
    Wol Euler: for a project which started on site in January
    Wol Euler: so there is a significant deadline pressure to get them finished
    Wol Euler: the following trades have to be ready to go as soon as the concrete is poured
    Wol Euler: and many of them have very long lead-in times, steelwork has to be cut and welded etc
    Liza Deischer: Yes, I understand
    Wol Euler: six and a half tonnes of tiles have to be ordered and delivered :)
    Liza Deischer: wow :-)
    Liza Deischer: how big is the project?
    Wol Euler: it's fascinating, I am learning so much
    Wol Euler: a swimming pool/health complex, two big pools + kiddies' pool, saunas, solarium, a little restaurant
    Liza Deischer: learning is always a nice component of a good job
    Wol Euler: the budget is only 10 million Euros, which is very tight for a building of this scope
    Wol Euler: so a lot of our effort goes into reducing costs, finding cheaper materials and faster building processes
    Liza Deischer: and ask a lot of tiles :-)
    Liza Deischer: Ah, yes, that can be fascinating
    Wol Euler: :)


    Wol Euler: the paradox is that architects are paid a percentage of the building cost.
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: so the harder we work to reduce costs, the less we earn!
    Liza Deischer: ouch
    Wol Euler: really :)
    Liza Deischer: but at the same time, because of doing so you got the job
    Wol Euler: well, we won the job in a competition, but yes.
    Liza Deischer: oh okay
    Wol Euler: we won the competition in part because our proposal was cheaper than other firms' projects
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Wol Euler: and prettier too, of course, but the money was the key factor
    Liza Deischer: :-)


    A third topic: avatars and identities. 

    Liza Deischer: something completely different Wol
    Wol Euler grins hopefully
    Liza Deischer: do you wear white hair or is it my viewer
    Wol Euler: my hair is white :)
    Wol Euler: but everyting else is black
    Liza Deischer: great because it looks good on you :-)
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    Liza Deischer: sorry Isuppose I haven't got a good topic today :-)
    Wol Euler: I used to wear white hair all the time when I first rezzed
    Wol Euler: but switched to that dark red about a year ago
    Liza Deischer: ah, so back to basics
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: also: I made another alt recently and have been experimenting with aesthetics with her
    Liza Deischer: both are looking good on you, but white is a little bit more different
    Wol Euler: very pure and minimal
    Wol Euler: a nearly-white skin, she wears only black and white clothes, hair, accessories
    Wol Euler: and her appearnce is rubbing off on me :)
    Liza Deischer: yes, obviously
    Liza Deischer: alts do influence each other
    Liza Deischer: I noticed
    Liza Deischer: myself
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: it's funny how distinct they are from each other
    Liza Deischer: yes, that too
    Liza Deischer: but parts I work out with one alt, I see it getting imbedded (in a different way though) in other alts
    Wol Euler: it's like they teach each other what they learn :)
    Liza Deischer: yes :-)
    Wol Euler: brb, tea
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: I forgot that it was stewing
    Liza Deischer: I do that a lot of times, forgetting about things like that :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: how many alts do you have?


    Liza Deischer: I was talking about alts :-), but it is actually one, male
    Liza Deischer: I have a strong male-side in me
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: I guess it feels very different being him?
    Liza Deischer: It gives me the opportunity to get to know that side better
    Liza Deischer: yes it does, in a way that suprised me
    Wol Euler: :)
    Liza Deischer: he is so more relaxed
    Liza Deischer: the kind of guy that like to take his shoes off and walk along the beach feeling the sand under his feat
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Liza Deischer: sensitive though, but in a different way
    Wol Euler: and normal-you doesn't do that?
    Liza Deischer: well, not enought
    Wol Euler nods
    Liza Deischer: my live hasn't been easy
    Wol Euler: perhaps you will, now that he has shown you how
    Wol Euler: that happens a lot
    Liza Deischer: and because of my fatigue I'm very limited in what I can do
    Wol Euler: there's even a word for it: backformation
    Liza Deischer: yes, it reflects on me, definetely
    Liza Deischer: backformation, hmmm
    Wol Euler: oh, sorry, I wrote across your last lines. Liza, I'm sorry to hear it
    Liza Deischer: that's okay
    Liza Deischer: To me sl is also a new window on live
    Wol Euler nods.
    Liza Deischer: in which I can do things that aren't possible in real life
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Liza Deischer: so for now, I settle with the sand and the beach on sl :-)
    Wol Euler: many people do that here
    Wol Euler: but to go back a step, almost everyone I speak to says that their alt is more relaxed than their original av
    Wol Euler: calmer, more open, more experimental
    Wol Euler: braver
    Liza Deischer: yes, I have been trying to understand why, but actually it is obvious
    Wol Euler: I think that our first av here is *ourselves* projected into the world
    Wol Euler: the second (third fourth …) is free of that baggage
    Wol Euler: it doesn't have the burden of being us, as it were
    Liza Deischer: exactly, my thoughts too
    Liza Deischer: but it is nice to see that if you 'split' that part from yourself, how strong it can be
    Wol Euler: I would never have suspected the strength and the depth, and the joy, of my other-gendered personality side without SL
    Liza Deischer: YES :-)
    Wol Euler: splitting, yes, like taking a shoot from a crowded pot and giving it a pot of its own to grow in :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: it allows us to focus on that other bit, which in the normal daily life is such a small voice
    Wol Euler: Maxine talks about "minority personalities"
    Wol Euler: that is what a successful alt is, the expresssion of a minority personality
    Liza Deischer: yes, in by doing so, making it stronger
    Wol Euler nods.


    Liza Deischer: I have a feeling you have quite a number of alts :-)
    Wol Euler: five :)
    Wol Euler: but only three of us are really active
    Wol Euler: one is purely for business, she never really developed into a person
    Liza Deischer: three of 'us' :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: yes, we are an Us.
    Liza Deischer: hmmm, maybe you're right
    Wol Euler: me and the business one are alts of my original, but the other two are definitely MY alts, they feel no relation to my original
    Liza Deischer: only aspects of yourself
    Wol Euler: sure :)
    Liza Deischer: because it is still an 'us'
    Wol Euler: but why "only"? :)
    Wol Euler: they are aspects of various Me's
    Liza Deischer: that is because you confused me a bit: 'no relation to my original'
    Wol Euler: oh, I see, sorry. I was thinking of that like family structures
    Wol Euler: original is grandparent, business and I are the children, the new two are grandchildren
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Wol Euler: they are only distantly related to grandparent, whereas I feel more attached to him
    Liza Deischer: you probably refering to the 'growing' part
    Wol Euler: ah, yes, good idea.
    Wol Euler: they reflect the changes in RL-Me since I began in SL
    Wol Euler: that feels true.
    Liza Deischer: that should be right I guess
    Liza Deischer: thinking of it, I think my alt is younger too
    Wol Euler smiles
    Liza Deischer: more 'fresh' :-)
    Liza Deischer: still 'crispy' hahah
    Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
    Liza Deischer: well, I hope to see my grandchildren to grow up one day :-)
    Wol Euler nods. I wish you that, Liza.
    Wol Euler: are you working on the step inbetween? :)
    Liza Deischer: the step in between?
    Wol Euler: the children
    Liza Deischer: ah, no not yet
    Wol Euler: or did you mean SL grandchildren?
    Liza Deischer: yes, the latter
    Wol Euler sighs. Misunderstood that, sorry.
    Liza Deischer: I don't have children, I'm too old to get then, and never wanted them
    Wol Euler nods.
    Liza Deischer: that sounds a bit rude
    Liza Deischer: but I never I had the feeling of wanting a child
    Wol Euler nods
    Liza Deischer: it is just not there
    Liza Deischer: how about you?
    Wol Euler: no children, but did and do want them.
    Wol Euler: I am very good with kids, I think I would have made a good parent
    Wol Euler: so perhaps I will be a good aunt instead
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: no chance anymore of getting them :-)


    Wol Euler: Liza, I'm sorry, but time is passing and I do need to get to work
    Liza Deischer: sure, no problem
    Liza Deischer: but I liked our chat
    Wol Euler: me too, I'm glad to have seen you again
    Wol Euler: take care, be happy
    Liza Deischer: same to you wol

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    Originally written on 03:00, 14 Mar 2010
    What a wonderful session and how tickled am I to get to meet Wol in a month! :D
    Posted 14:59, 9 Apr 2010
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