2010.03.09 19:00 - Luscious Pool of Being

 

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Arch!

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: Hello Eos, is this your assigned session?

Eos Amaterasu: Yes (ssh)

Archmage Atlantis: I'm not very good at (ssh)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Archmage Atlantis: That implies secrets

Eos Amaterasu: I think there's no closing bell for the first bell

Eos Amaterasu: we're henceforth within the big 90 secs

Eos Amaterasu: by shsh I meant dropping talking

Eos Amaterasu: opening up

Eos Amaterasu: not holding secrets

Eos Amaterasu: or maybe letting the secrets come up

Eos Amaterasu: in big space

Archmage Atlantis: Do you know the genomic music project Eos

Eos Amaterasu: no

Eos Amaterasu: hi cal

Calvino Rabeni: Hey fellas, mind if Ii join you :)

Archmage Atlantis: It is now known as Pandora.....

Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project

Eos Amaterasu: will check it out

Eos Amaterasu: jump right in, Calvino

Archmage Atlantis: Cal, I can think of few who i would respect

Eos Amaterasu: jump first, ask questions later :-)

Archmage Atlantis: You are one, Cal

Calvino Rabeni: TY Archmage

Archmage Atlantis: Eos is another

Eos Amaterasu: TY, AM

Eos Amaterasu: We've been talking about quiet, and secrets, and music genome project

Calvino Rabeni: "The wary one enters carefully..The wise man knocks the door in."

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Shr

Calvino Rabeni: Secrets. G-d loves 'em.

Calvino Rabeni: Arch, I respect you as a knower of depth and quality

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :), Cal :), Arch :)

 

Archmage asks the SL/RL question

 

Archmage Atlantis: Eliza I feel a need to ask you a question

Eliza Madrigal is very sleepy but unable to sleep... will be listening

 

Eos Amaterasu: Pandora is not available in Canada

 

Eliza Madrigal: Oh, okay Arch

Archmage Atlantis: In RL

Archmage Atlantis: are you female or male

Eliza Madrigal: Do you think that's important Arch?

Archmage Atlantis: yes

Eliza Madrigal: well isn't some of the fun of SL that we can be any gender?

Archmage Atlantis: yes

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Archmage Atlantis: this is not about fun

Eos Amaterasu: :-(

 

--BELL-- 

 

Eliza Madrigal: Arch, I'm a girl. :) Still, I think it doesn't matter too much...

Eliza Madrigal: And now I'd like to be quiet... not feeling so hot... cant sleep and am sleepy :)

Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, would like to acknowledge your tiredness, and appreciate your being here

Calvino Rabeni: I think, it is one of the stipulated mysteries of second life

Eos Amaterasu: in avatar proximity

Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks... comforting spot :

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Archmage Atlantis: Not at all, my mother was the strongerst person in her world

Eos Amaterasu: as well as wherever in the world :-)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Calvino Rabeni: as in, hey lady! what is your precise age and how much do you weigh already :)

Eos Amaterasu visualizes a scale

Eos Amaterasu: weights being dropped at one end....

Archmage Atlantis: staight men

Eos Amaterasu: as in comedy?

Calvino Rabeni: There seems to be a virus of the organic variety making the rounds too

Eos Amaterasu: ?

Archmage Atlantis: they never measure how much they weight

Calvino Rabeni: Well, one of my favorite "straight men" was the character "Peter Gunn" who charted the middle path through a world of hysterics, con artists, cops, and poets.

Archmage Atlantis: Fat is the new cigarette

Eos Amaterasu vaguely remembers such a tv series (?)

Eos Amaterasu: Did it have recognizable theme music?

Eos Amaterasu: (memories kicking in...)

Calvino Rabeni: And I quote - "There ain't no jelly donut on the other side of that window. Only... Death."

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: he heh

Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, noir minimalism from the Beat '50's

Eos Amaterasu: poetic realism without gloves

Eos Amaterasu: so is that how language turns reality into art?

Eos Amaterasu: the jelly donut is the necessary ingredient

Calvino Rabeni: No sugar perhaps, but a dose of irony

Calvino Rabeni: The fine line is - mastering reality without so much in turn being subjugated by the mastery

Eos Amaterasu: getting beat to death by it

Archmage Atlantis: Starvation does create thin peope

Eos Amaterasu: wearing reality lightly

Eos Amaterasu: problem is our words go pro

Calvino Rabeni: And this starvation we experience - how might it be seen by future generations?

Calvino Rabeni: :) Eos, indeed a predicament

Archmage Atlantis: That is why we were given better brains

 

Eos Amaterasu: humor can be saving grace, if it's the fundamental humor

 

Calvino Rabeni: Our words get a licence, set up shop, and then start charging us double fees

 

Eos Amaterasu: which is giving & kind

 

Archmage Atlantis: To see if that worked

Calvino Rabeni is searching memory for examples of Eos' generous possibility

Eos Amaterasu: we're awarely here as ourselves for just a little cutout of the bigger space-time

Eos Amaterasu: we get to cut up for a while :-)

Calvino Rabeni is imagining self as a puppet

Eos Amaterasu: 90 secs cutout coming up

Calvino Rabeni: and the irony of what has happened to the concept of an Avatar

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: What is that irony that you see, Calvino?

 

Archmage Atlantis: Almost all women protect this life......if men do not give them something bigger to protect, we will die......and the Creator will wipe us out, and try again
Archmage Atlantis: That is evolution

 

Calvino Rabeni: The irony is the disconnect - an avatar as the embodiment as a god - and in SL and certain movies, the avatar is a mere puppet

 

Archmage Atlantis: Welcome to the worlds of the creator Cal

 

Eliza Madrigal: nite guys.. am going to try again :)

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks

Calvino Rabeni: Good night, sleep well

Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Eliza!

 

Eos Amaterasu: Not too far from the vision of the AI, the robot, becoming indistinguishable from human

Archmage Atlantis: And then there were three

Archmage Atlantis: We ar the AI, Eos

Archmage Atlantis: we choose

Archmage Atlantis: what happens after

Eos Amaterasu: we are or have intelligence, but that is heart as well as mind: "sentience" seems to say both

Archmage Atlantis: well my cat is afraid

Eos Amaterasu: symbiotic sentience, not artificial intelligence

Eos Amaterasu: or, as you brought up earlier, the element of care

Calvino Rabeni: An artificial intelligence would be another kind of puppet

Calvino Rabeni: but the string seems neither to start nor to end where it is supposed

Eos Amaterasu: we need to ask who, including maybe us, is pulling our strings

Eos Amaterasu: we put our own carrots in front of us

Calvino Rabeni: The ponderings of a conscious AI - what was my interface before I was constructed

Eos Amaterasu: what strings brought me here?

Calvino Rabeni: However it's theological curiosity would be more easily answered due to the obvious presence of its apparent Creator

Archmage Atlantis: Nice metaphor Eos

Calvino Rabeni: The AI not surprisingly thinks - Well who created You, then, who pulls the strings of the roboticist

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: we live in that question

Calvino Rabeni: We smuggle intelligence into our creations, and smuggle Care _out_

Eos Amaterasu: that would be nice :-)

Archmage Atlantis: If I may venture a statement....the AI is a metaphor fo God

Eos Amaterasu: the image of Kuanyin, bodhisattva of compassion, is appropriate for our age

Eos Amaterasu: And Kuanyin can be either male or female

Calvino Rabeni: I meant, in the sense of the metaphor of information, which reduces communication to an exchange of factual knowledge about objectivities of the world - and abandons both sensation and moral engagement

Calvino Rabeni: Quan Yin being the antithesis in some ways of that :)

Eos Amaterasu: notion of AI also abstracts prematurely

Eos Amaterasu: QWAN : Quality Without A Name (Christopher Alexander)

Eos Amaterasu: Yün: enriching golden luscious quality of things

Eos Amaterasu: QWAN-YUN

 

Archmage Atlantis: Ones and zeros
Eos Amaterasu: thin ones and fat zeros

 

Calvino Rabeni: Christopher Alexander wasn't willing to have his Patterns reduced to empty linguistic shells

 

Eos Amaterasu:the 90 secs can be a dip in the luscious pool of being

 

Archmage Atlantis: Lao Tze

Eos Amaterasu: patterns need to be inhabited

Calvino Rabeni: I like that - it might deserve to be highlighted in the "current definition of PAB"

Calvino Rabeni: Right Arch, Christopher Alexander appears a neo-Taoist

Eos Amaterasu: "the way that can be named is not the nameless way"

Calvino Rabeni: yes, that quailty

Archmage Atlantis: Or, to take us bacl

Calvino Rabeni: Which was his strategy to prevent his patterns from being digitized

Archmage Atlantis: What's infinity?

Eos Amaterasu: a world in a grain of sand

Calvino Rabeni: Infinity is - the tacit recognition that one cannot measure the total quality of the world one is embedded within

Calvino Rabeni: It is the world, seen from the perspective of the grain

Calvino Rabeni: not a measure of scale, but of perspective

Calvino Rabeni: (or some such late night poetic ramblings)

Archmage Atlantis: So, which we chose to be?

 

--BELL--

 

Calvino Rabeni: I actually like Blake's proverbs and other writing

Eos Amaterasu: let there be intoxication inside each word!

Calvino Rabeni: So be it then.

Eos Amaterasu: A good note on which to depart

Eos Amaterasu: Thank you Cal and Arch!

Calvino Rabeni: A good thing to drop - the notion, seemingly modern, that I am a puppet master, but that I am only allowed to pull my own strings

Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, fellas, glad I dropped in! :)

Calvino Rabeni: Take care.

Eos Amaterasu is seeing CGI

Calvino Rabeni: (CGI? Any one else noticed random non-SL-world artifacts appearing? I thought it perhaps graphic glitches of the 2.0 viewer)

Calvino Rabeni: (tag:90-second, 9-seconds)