2010.03.03 07:00 - "Fox is dragging me into weird stuff"

The Guardian for this dynamic and off-beat gathering was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, who was joined by Yakuzza for a bit, then Fael, Arch, Agatha, Fox, Calvino, and 'new resident' Borrys.

The sessions topics ranged from evil, to what we believe, dream sex, paralysis, crazy math, normality, insanity, thin lines, headlessness, and TSK! 

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :))
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you today
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, i need to dig for the chatlog link :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles, thanks for that :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i somehow forgot that
Yakuzza Lethecus: i tried to make the posting more habitual
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, its funny... you've even been posting logs for others, filling in...
Eliza Madrigal: I've noticed and appreciate it much.
Yakuzza Lethecus: but nobody came in sophia´s session
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, she has problems with her laptop now
Eliza Madrigal: I'm behind on my Time Workshop reading... will be scrambling today
Eliza Madrigal: I actually went backwards with it... back to the beginning of Time... well, that section in the book :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t understand the sentences even as often as i read
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am kinda split because i would also have a rl course starting in wednesdays
Eliza Madrigal: What sort of course?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s a philosophy course at the local vhs but i am not that interested in the topic :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: vhs means volkshochschule whats kinda education without exams and for fun
Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful

Evil...

Eliza Madrigal: What is the topic you aren't interested in?
Yakuzza Lethecus: the evil :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i attended over the last years
Yakuzza Lethecus: or at least the last 2 semesters
Eliza Madrigal: So you have friends there, community
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least one place in real life to have contact with ppl whom are interested in phil
Eliza Madrigal: that's worthwhile in any event
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven´t met anyone of them out of the sessions
Eliza Madrigal: Even so, nice to gather... carve out the space
Yakuzza Lethecus: for me it´s really an issue that secondlife is pretty much the only place where i have the feeling to have the ability to talk about contemplation
Yakuzza Lethecus: and especially to learn the words to be able to talk about spirituality and contemplative issues more
Eliza Madrigal: I still remember a class when I was in 8th grade... walking in and the question on the board: "Is man fundamentally good or fundamentally evil?"
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
Yakuzza Lethecus: and any answer ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: what is evil ?
Eliza Madrigal: Most students I think relied on their bible class notions.. at least then...
Eliza Madrigal: that man is born sinful and has to be saved...
Eliza Madrigal: but I remember feeling frustrated that my paper was wishy-washy
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah :)
Eliza Madrigal: I argued both
Eliza Madrigal: at the time, but it felt "blah"

Yakuzza leaves his av and goes for dinner, and my humor translates badly... 

Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry, i have dinner for a while :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: brb
Eliza Madrigal: :).. okay I'll brb too...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arch :)
Eliza Madrigal: dramatic wings :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: Yakuzza just went to have dinner... haha
Eliza Madrigal: I mean here I am, dressed so cute...
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Fael Illyar: dressed cute?
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Eliza......are you assigned to run the meetings.....or do I just always pick your times to come here
Eliza Madrigal: Kidding... just thinking that if I were to meet someone and sit and start a conversation... and they say "Oh, gotta have dinner'
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Arch actually this is my scheduled session
Eliza Madrigal: but I step in when I can
Eliza Madrigal: which for now is more often than most can :)
Archmage Atlantis: You are trying to believe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Cwpx8inKY&feature=digest

Eliza Madrigal: Fael, let me mention again how interesting I found the videos you sent... so many relevant issues in there...
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, I wouldn't say that Arch
Archmage Atlantis: It is only my viewpoint
Eliza Madrigal nods...
Eliza Madrigal: and funny how the idea of beliefs keeps coming up in PaB...
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: beliefs are quite central thing for us humans :)
Archmage Atlantis: To continue to come back and to keep trying.....to me.....that is belief
Agatha Macbeth: Hi everybody :)
Fael Illyar: they're things that shape our lives

--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: (Great timing)
Eliza Madrigal: ((Hi Agatha)) :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Lizzy :)))
Eliza Madrigal: last night's session Eos and Calvino were talking about beliefs, too. I liked that Eos talked about holding beliefs in a transparent way, rather than trying not to have them, or drop them...
Agatha Macbeth: I was at Kira last night, so I missed that
Archmage Atlantis: Eos and Calvino are entities I respect
Eliza Madrigal: They were considering the Trungpa quote that was on the wall in the Malta farmhouse "beyond the beliefs of any religion.." etc

Sleep Events ...

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, dream workshop Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, with Fox :)
Agatha Macbeth: Talking about sleep disorders
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: How was it? I'm sure interesting... she's very passionate about her subject
Agatha Macbeth: And sleep sex too ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, darn....
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Gilles seemed quite intersested about that :0
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Archmage Atlantis: Why must sleep fit a pattern,,,,only then is it a disorder
Agatha Macbeth: Beats me arch
Eliza Madrigal: Well things like sleep paralysis can be frightening for people Arch
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Eliza Madrigal: and if our bodies don't get certain kinds of sleep we don't function well
Eliza Madrigal: but I do get your point
Eliza Madrigal: one person needs 5 hrs, another 9...
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Pema usually seems to need about 2 :)
Archmage Atlantis: If we refuse the prevailing pattern.....it is a disorder
Eliza Madrigal: hehe. He insists he sleeps longer than that...
Eliza Madrigal: he must be doing crazy math
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: And you believe him?
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... well speaking of beliefs to hold transparently...
Agatha Macbeth: Or transiently....
Eliza Madrigal: yes :) I was up in the middle of the night last night... attended the 1AM session

Agatha notices the odd arrangement... Me on one side, then everyone else across the pond...

Agatha Macbeth: Why are you all over there Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: but normally I sleep 7 hrs
Eliza Madrigal was seated first and this is how everyone arranged themselves!
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like we're interviewing you :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Eliza Madrigal: Better?
Agatha Macbeth: Better! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Eliza Madrigal: Now we have a panel that the RL av can see
Archmage Atlantis: Different.....better implies a judgement
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: IMHO
Eliza Madrigal: :) well better for Ag and I :)
Agatha Macbeth nods and grins
Eliza Madrigal: Fael, will you say more about beliefs shaping our lives?

I ask, but Fael's attention was divided at that moment. With our talking about Calvino and Fox, it was funny that they both then showed up... 

Fox Monacular: Hello everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Hey, Fox :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fox
Agatha Macbeth: How was your sleep sex last night :p
Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful to see you. Agatha was saying you had a great workshop yesterday
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Fox Monacular: hehe, no sleep sex, i'm visiting family in montreal, my husband stayed in boston
Agatha Macbeth: Well it was different anyhow
Fox Monacular: yes, it was a fun session yesterday
Fox Monacular: hi Calvino
Eliza Madrigal: Hey Cal :))
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Cal
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... I wonder who else we might talk about so that they appear?
Fael Illyar: Hi Cal :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Fox :)
Eliza Madrigal: let me give you notes to catch you up (fox and cal)

I start the bantering, yet amidst getting notes, attention shifts and I miss Arch's response ...

Archmage Atlantis: Try it Eliza,,, let us talk about....
Fox Monacular: thank you, Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sorry Arch, talk about?
Eliza Madrigal: You're welcome :))
Archmage Atlantis: In the presence of a mage, much is possibe
Agatha Macbeth doesn't see anyone here from Persia :)

--BELL--
Fox Monacular: read the note and am back:)
Eliza Madrigal: So we were talking about dreams, and sex, and beliefs... I wonder what our beliefs about sex and and beliefs and dreams are...
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: De we believe about dreaming about sex? :)
Fox Monacular: ouch... such a loaded topic!
Agatha Macbeth: Fire away Fox!
Archmage Atlantis: Well I used to believe we were male or female
Fox Monacular: hmmm... what do you guys think:)
Agatha Macbeth: Aw, she threw a lateral ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Fael passed along a video series about bipolar vs spiritual awakening the other day, and I think some of the issues are the same...
Fox Monacular: hehe
Calvino Rabeni: I believe a dream of sex is usually an auspicious dream
Archmage Atlantis: then I added gay or straight
Agatha Macbeth: Bipolar as in Manic Depression?
Eliza Madrigal: ...what can be labeled as a kind of disorder or psychosis and perhaps medicated too quickly....
Fox Monacular: sure, I think dream of anything can have different emotional/intellectual load depending on the context
Calvino Rabeni: Natural rhythms everyone has - when not managed - get a label that suggests pathology
Eliza Madrigal: or not treated as a potential time for change to become more authentic in life, etc
Fox Monacular: right, this is probably one of the biggest problems in pharmacological psychology...
Archmage Atlantis: There is
Eliza Madrigal: and some of the things you've told us Fox, about there being certain times that paralysis is more likely, etc., it seems to coincide w/ chemical changes and also a real 'defining window' going on.. adolescence, etc
Archmage Atlantis: RLbiology, after a;;
Eliza Madrigal: a time when for instance most 'religious conversions' happen as well
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: around 18.. kids having to step out or at least feeling pressures to
Archmage Atlantis: Well, exept that fails with the intersexed

Calvino Rabeni: Sleep paralysis - is that different than simply a somewhat lucid experience of a normal state of muscular inhibition?
Fox Monacular: right, Eliza, I mean there is an interplay between mental and physiological... and yes, there are certain markers that we cannot ignore, however the experience is still as real as it gets for the individua
Eliza Madrigal nods
Fox Monacular: sleep paralysis is a fairly specific phenomenon where REM dream hallucinations are intruding upon wake and one cannot move... is usually really panicked
Eliza Madrigal: yes I had a few years of paralysis as a common experience... only about 3 times in last 10 years though... didn't go away entirely

Change and Risky Behavior...

Calvino Rabeni: Have you noticed the "bipolar" attitude people have about "change" - it is something to fear - but they seek novelty constantly in little ways
Agatha Macbeth: Nasty :(
Eliza Madrigal thinks of auspiciousness re Cal's comment.. hm... sometimes :)
Eliza Madrigal: Say more Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: I think, all these phenomena are seen through social values primarily
Calvino Rabeni: Many phenomena are quite normal
Eliza Madrigal: Sure, yes
Calvino Rabeni: but when out of balance, get a negative attention
Agatha Macbeth: If 'normal' actually means anything....
Calvino Rabeni: that is where they threaten normal social values and relations
Eliza Madrigal nods to Agatha
Fox Monacular: yes, right, it's a combination of socialexpectiations, of our own prejudices and anxieties (or lack of such)
Calvino Rabeni: The extreme cases get the attention
Calvino Rabeni: the moderate cases get ignored
Calvino Rabeni: I'm just pointing out, the bias of social values on how all these experiences are interepreted
Eliza Madrigal: Well, people prob don't think to mention the moderate cases as much, too
Calvino Rabeni: and even defined - whether or not they areseen to exist
Fox Monacular: SP is experienced as a normal thing in Korea where they would teach children how to deal with it, and as a totally spooky alien abduction here, because there is virtually no awarenes
Calvino Rabeni: These are "beliefs" of a certain variety
Archmage Atlantis: No bunnies here today
Calvino Rabeni: Good example Fox
Calvino Rabeni: Every "self" is a compicated balancing act of all these tendencies
Calvino Rabeni: When they break out of the average bounds defined culturally, then they get a pathological label
Agatha Macbeth agrees
Calvino Rabeni: And sometimes the bounds are personal, or about character
Fox Monacular: it also probably reflects western preoccupation with reason and knowing reality though extraspective experimentation... as opposed to eastern methods of introspection... on a gross level
Eliza Madrigal: self and its beliefs...
Calvino Rabeni: the need for novelty in experience varies greatly by individual
Calvino Rabeni: and same for "risk"
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Eliza Madrigal nods to Fox, great point
Calvino Rabeni: One person's "fear" is another's "excitement"
Eliza Madrigal: :)) True, that
Agatha Macbeth: And vice versa
Calvino Rabeni: :) Fox

Acceptance...

Fael Illyar: I wonder if the only difference between between fear and excitement is whether or no one accepts the feeling.
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: If you're on a rollercoaster are you afraid, excited or both?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes like if you can look at the fear and accept it/choose it, in a sense.. then it isn't quite fear anymore
Calvino Rabeni: Aga I think it is the same experience
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Calvino Rabeni: so, both, somewhere dynamically mixed
Calvino Rabeni: One micro-trend that is on the upswing - self-exploration and development through improvisation and expression - "conscious karaoke" or even singing with a live musical band
Fox Monacular: I'm very afraid and a little excited:)
Calvino Rabeni: which most people would say, mixes fear and excitement in a social setting
Agatha Macbeth likes 'conscious karaoke'
Calvino Rabeni: It is an interesting development considering all that it mixes
Calvino Rabeni: a mix of personal awareness into a social setting, with all the back and forth that could provide
Fox Monacular: very interesting
Eliza Madrigal: Hm. public speaking and performance is definitely a kind of defining characteristic...
Eliza Madrigal: anxiety can sneak up on the most highly prepared people, etc
Calvino Rabeni: Right, but this is with an element of improvisation and "play"
Calvino Rabeni: Not task oriented or concerned with the end result
Calvino Rabeni: seeking flow, expressivity, etc.
Eliza Madrigal: comes from the shadows... so you have to be willing to dance with that I guess :)
Calvino Rabeni: It is a different value package than the old idea of public speaking
Calvino Rabeni: although, that too is no doubt pleasant for some who can do it and like it
Calvino Rabeni: OTOH, at a funeral, most people would rather be in the casket than give the eulogy :)

Fael Illyar: perhaps the difference between fear and excitement could be the thought "I should not have this feeling"

Calvino Rabeni: (actually I heard that at a jerry seinfeld performance)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Fael, I think that's a big part of it
Agatha Macbeth: Who is to judge tho Fael?
Calvino Rabeni: And the belief that some catastrophe is imminent
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Fael.... acceptance
Eliza Madrigal: there is a mixed bag here too... for instance one can have stage fright AND a compelling need to perform
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Eliza Madrigal: Sl helps people out there I think :)
Calvino Rabeni: but both of those seem somewhat passive
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Calvino Rabeni: being compelled by contradictory impulses?
Agatha Macbeth: In what way do you mean Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: I mean, that for some who tend to be introverted in one way (like myself), they can find themselves different in this sort of context, or in writing, etc
Eliza Madrigal: and then maybe it works it out backwards too...
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes yes...understood
Eliza Madrigal: I've heard some are working with phobias using SL.. public speaking in particular
Agatha Macbeth can relate to that
Eliza Madrigal: that there is less 'chance for catastrophe' in SL
Agatha Macbeth: Or you can just switch off ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Calvino Rabeni: Sure, but social relationships remain "at risk" regardless if it is SL or the local toastmasters club
Eliza Madrigal: well, relationships are always risky
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Fox Monacular: interesting... I can relate to that too... I'm terrified of public speaking... and I have no choice but to do it... paradoxically, I like teaching... but I'm afraid every time!
Agatha Macbeth: Too true!
Eliza Madrigal nods... probably makes you a better 'performer' fox!
Agatha Macbeth: For some of us more than others
Eliza Madrigal: Hm... yes comfort with risk levels again...
Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
Fox Monacular: that's what my husband thinks... that the fact that I'm excited and activated makes me care more
Calvino Rabeni: The fear could turn to excitement over time, with familiarity and a belief in success
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I relate very much to that Fox.
Calvino Rabeni: True
Eliza Madrigal used to be cast in all the 'crying' things in drama... so nervous that I couldn't help it but others thought I was really talented. hahah
Agatha Macbeth: You too?
Eliza Madrigal: hard to 'accept' that aspect of personality for a long time
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth grins

:) Cal makes an interesting point and we greet a visitor...

Calvino Rabeni: You can give the excitement to the audience, and they like it - they don't so much like the fear part - unfortunately :)
Eliza Madrigal: See... comparing notes is so healing
Fox Monacular: Hi Borrys!
Agatha Macbeth: Yup :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Borrys, Welcome to Play as Being :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hey Boz
Eliza Madrigal: I'll give you a note about our group. Feel free to join us :)
Calvino Rabeni: I need to go offline - thanks all for the interesting discussion :)
Borrys Oakleaf: hello all
Calvino Rabeni: BFN
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Cal :)
Fox Monacular: bye Calvino
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Cal
Fael Illyar: Ah, too late :)
Eliza Madrigal: Borrys, I need to let you know that we record our sessions, and ask if you mind being included?
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta be quicker Fael :)
Eliza Madrigal: If you do mind, I can edit no problem :)
Fael Illyar: Hello Borrys :)
Borrys Oakleaf: okay, i can't promise i will be a great contributor, but i'll hang around for a while
Eliza Madrigal: In just a moment a bell will ring, and we'll pause for 90 seconds...
Fox Monacular: that;s the spirit!

--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: I invite any of you that chose to come to a sacred place.....I may have to ask my patner to help
Eliza Madrigal: Borrys, We gather to discuss the nature of reality four times a day, as you may have read. The pauses are part of that exploration :)
Eliza Madrigal: This morning we've been talking about beliefs and fears... hopes I guess... dreams....
Agatha Macbeth: Heavy stuff eh Borrys?
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Borrys Oakleaf: haha
Eliza Madrigal: Heavy in the way that its light
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Borrys Oakleaf: Fox is dragging me into weird stuff
Borrys Oakleaf: but i trust her
Fox Monacular: poor you
Eliza Madrigal giggles! AH!
Agatha Macbeth: That's what Wol says too :)
Fox Monacular: maybe you shouldn't
Fox Monacular: :)

Go ask Alice...

Eliza Madrigal: down the rabbit hole
Fox Monacular: (Borrys is a very good RL friend)
Agatha Macbeth: Follow the White Rabbit!
Fael Illyar: red or blue pill? :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Fael Illyar: oh wait, that comes later :)
Fox Monacular: hehe I can't wait for the new alice in wonderland....
Eliza Madrigal: one pill makes you larger...
Agatha Macbeth: Only a bit later
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, yes me too... looks incredible
Agatha Macbeth: Off with his head!
Agatha Macbeth: If you'll pardon the expression

Headlessness...

Eliza Madrigal: http://www.headless.org/on-having-no-head.htm
Eliza Madrigal: Some of these exercizes are really neat
Eliza Madrigal: the site looks a little out there' though...
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Fox Monacular: very interesting!
Eliza Madrigal: Evidently the book is quite provoking
Eliza Madrigal: Pema, Zen, and Lia have all mentioned it at one point or another
Fael Illyar: Ah, time for me to go.
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose its phenom?
Fael Illyar: Have fun everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fael, nice to see you as always
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Fael :)
Fox Monacular: take care Fael!
Eliza Madrigal: So Fox you are going to be working with the workshop every week now?
Fox Monacular: yep, looks like it for now:)
Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic. My schedule has been so strange lately... changing a lot, but hope to settle in
Fox Monacular: I don;t think we're going to run out of topics anytime soon... would be great to see you there!
Fox Monacular: I can relate ...re schedule...!
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: At the beginning of the year many things changed with workshops and such... so am having a bit of 'overload' at the moment
Fox Monacular: by the way, I think I can take back my Monday 7pm spot starting next Monday
Fox Monacular: yes, us too... a lot of change
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that would be excellent. You mentioned you were back in Canada..
Eliza Madrigal: how are you enjoying Boston then?
Fox Monacular: for a little bit, a friends' wedding, moms birthday.... good for the baby to see the rest of teh family
Eliza Madrigal: yes :) How is she?
Fox Monacular: boston is good, but we've had a rough patch... nothing seemed to be working out for a while...
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, choppy start
Fox Monacular: she's good, thanks:) getting big and stubborn:)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh, what they're supposed to do :)
Fox Monacular: yes... one of whose starts... like moving in the apartment on the 5th floor when the elevator is broken
Eliza Madrigal: eeek
Eliza Madrigal: and with a small child!
Fox Monacular: still broken...
Fox Monacular: exactly
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal remembers how heavy they can be
Fox Monacular: they're heavier in winter coats!
Eliza Madrigal: much less groceries
Agatha Macbeth: Or both
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh, yes... gosh didn't think of that
Fox Monacular: forget about groceries! or laundry!
Eliza Madrigal: I'm spoiled in Florida
Fox Monacular: hehe! lucky!
Agatha Macbeth: Sure are :)
Eliza Madrigal: but, it is 'summer' most of the year...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: For 'most' read 'all' :-)

Thin lines...

Fox Monacular: we have a schizophrenic neighbor who promises to rule the world sometime soon:)
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: True Ag! Where do you live?
Agatha Macbeth: Is his name Adolf?
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh... entertainment then Fox?
Fox Monacular: very mcuh so, lots of space action
Agatha Macbeth: Middle England unfortunately
Agatha Macbeth: I'd prefer Japan....
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's right :)) sounds fortunate from here :)
Fox Monacular: why unfortunately?
Fox Monacular: ah, ok
Agatha Macbeth: Long story....
Eliza Madrigal: space action... hmmm
Fox Monacular: he brought huge club-size amplifiers and speakers up to the 5th floor.... we live in constant fear of a soundmaggedon! :))
Fox Monacular: I mean our neighbor
Eliza Madrigal: ACK!
Fox Monacular: (lag)
Agatha Macbeth: What, with the lift broken?
Fox Monacular: imagine!
Fox Monacular: took him a whole day
Fox Monacular: literally
Agatha Macbeth: What did he do? Carry them upstairs?
Fox Monacular: but it made me think - hes so strange, talking to himself, yelling at people - that everyone pretty much chooses to ignore him
Fox Monacular: which probably only makes his delusions worse
Eliza Madrigal nods
Fox Monacular: if he thinks that everyone is against him
Agatha Macbeth: (I think I work with him)
Fox Monacular: and then nobody talks to him for real
Eliza Madrigal: I'd guess there is a spectrum
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Agatha
Fox Monacular: yes, definitely, there;s a spectrum, nd there are better and worse days...
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Fox Monacular: but it's really sad how nobody in the house just comes up to the guy to say 'hey, how's it going, man'
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I suppose you will get to know the patterns
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he's indigo ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: WB Ya :)
Fox Monacular: hey Yakuzza!
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Fox Monacular: he's really angry most of the time... so it doesn 't helo
Fox Monacular: help
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I prob wouldn't go out of my way to engage an angry person...
Eliza Madrigal: especially when with little children
Fox Monacular: me neither... and with a baby too... so I sort of stay away... like the rest of them
Fox Monacular: :) yes

Eliza Madrigal: watching someone talking to themselves in loops was one of the things Eckhart Tolle tuned in on, before having a 'breakthrough' kind of moment... thinking "Okay, I'm not doing that out loud, but I AM doing that"
Eliza Madrigal: thin lines
Eliza Madrigal: Still, I hope it settles for you
Fox Monacular: what seems to be scaring people is that he's unpredictable.. you never know what will piss him off
Fox Monacular: yes, thin lines:)
Eliza Madrigal: Are you commited to staying there?
Fox Monacular: thanks, yes, things are slowly gettingback on track
Fox Monacular: well, my husbands post doc is for about 1.5 years... and we just can't miss that awesome opportunity
Eliza Madrigal: Right... but that specific apartment?
Fox Monacular: oh, sure, I don't want ot move again!
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: Understand :)
Fox Monacular: we just oponed all the boxes!
Fox Monacular: no way I'm making boxes again!
Eliza Madrigal: Hey, that's not bad for time!
Fox Monacular: yes, we were determined this time:)
Eliza Madrigal: guess with no easy internet access one opens their boxes...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Fox Monacular: haha, yes, I'm sure that was a factor
Fox Monacular: but we got internet finally
Eliza Madrigal: Yay! (for all of us)
Fox Monacular: :)
Fox Monacular: my avatar is typing while i am not... something to reflect on
Eliza Madrigal: thin lines...
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Fox Monacular: :))
Eliza Madrigal: So Borrys, what is your impression so far? heh
Fox Monacular: (it's his 2nd day in SL...:))
Eliza Madrigal: :) Have to be lots of impressions then!
Eliza Madrigal: You've been showing him around?
Fox Monacular: a little, we went for a coffee (RL) right before dream workshop
Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice
Borrys Oakleaf: well I can tell you Fox is telling you the truth
Fox Monacular: :))
Eliza Madrigal: about the environment she's found herself in?
Borrys Oakleaf: you mean, this location here?
Borrys Oakleaf: it is splendid
Borrys Oakleaf: i am still overwhelmed with this whole second life thing
--BELL--
Fox Monacular: i know what you mean...
Eliza Madrigal: yes I imagine... vivid and surprising isn't it!
Agatha Macbeth: We all are Borrys :)
Borrys Oakleaf: haha
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Borrys Oakleaf: ich bin ein Berliner
Eliza Madrigal: we're thrill seekers... like to be overwhelmed
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Six months today for me
Eliza Madrigal: Congrats Agatha!
Agatha Macbeth: Ty
Eliza Madrigal: :)) 6 months in SL is like 3 years I think :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well it feels like it, yeah
Eliza Madrigal: concentrated
Fox Monacular: so we're all getting wise beyond our age
Agatha Macbeth: I wonder sometimes what I did before...
Borrys Oakleaf: before what?
Eliza Madrigal: in the bardo
Agatha Macbeth: Before SL!
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Fox Monacular: haha, Agatha, I read books when I didn't have internet for 3 weeks!
Eliza Madrigal remembers a time of reading fiction... vaguely....
Agatha Macbeth: Aww, HELL!!!
Agatha Macbeth: I do both
Fox Monacular: hahaha
Fox Monacular: yes, but not as many books!
Eliza Madrigal: BUT with discussions here I still read quite a lot of non-fiction.... contemplative books, etc
Borrys Oakleaf: since wikipedia, i find it hard to read books
Agatha Macbeth: Cut out the TV time and life becomes soooooooo much more fulfilling
Fox Monacular: :)) Borrys! I know that you mean
Eliza Madrigal nods... but schedules tv time sometimes too
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Fox Monacular: yes, we don't have TV, life is much better now
Agatha Macbeth: Half of it's adverts anyway
Fox Monacular: yes, and I lost all tolerance since i don't have tv at home... so when I see ads it just drives me sooo crazy now...
Agatha Macbeth: As it would
Borrys Oakleaf: ads are fun to analyze
Eliza Madrigal: tivo took away that issue for me... but honestly shouldn't be spending the money on it
Eliza Madrigal: especially with dvd tv now
Eliza Madrigal: True Borrys, some are
Eliza Madrigal searches her brain for an ad
Eliza Madrigal: blank... hehe... headless
Agatha Macbeth: You don't even know what some of them are trying to sell you
Eliza Madrigal: ys.... so funny really... most have little to do with the products
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: which is good imo :) Makes it more like an art project....
Agatha Macbeth: The wordsd 'object' and 'excercise' come to mind
Borrys Oakleaf: yeah, before they use to describe the advantages of a specific product., now they simply try so associate their trademark with some values, images, it's crazy
Eliza Madrigal: !!

Eliza Madrigal: I'd better get going... speaking of books I need to catch up on TSK for Time Workshop in a few hours
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Borrys Oakleaf: have fun
Agatha Macbeth: Get reading Liz! :)
Fox Monacular: what are you reading for time workshop, Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: Really a nice surprise to have a full session today. Thanks all
Fox Monacular: i lost all track of kira workshops in last month
Eliza Madrigal: Time Space Knowledge, Fox
Fox Monacular: oh, yes, right
Eliza Madrigal: The book that Steven Tainer wrote which inspired Pema to start PaB :)
Agatha Macbeth: A la Dr Who
Eliza Madrigal: Well, Steven wrote with his teacher, etc
Fox Monacular: you can get it on amazon, right?
Eliza Madrigal: We're finally into the 'knowledge' section now... taking it bit by bit
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Fox Monacular: great, I wanted to get it, and then life got in the way:)
Eliza Madrigal: It does that :))
Agatha Macbeth: Doesn't it always?
Fox Monacular: sure does:)
Agatha Macbeth sighs
Eliza Madrigal: Even if not discussing in the workshop, always like to talk about it here...
Eliza Madrigal: so let me know :))
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Eliza Madrigal: Good to see you, and that you have internet again. Nice to meet you Borrys. Bye for now Agatha! :) Yakuzaa tooooo
Eliza Madrigal waves
Fox Monacular: Bye Eliza, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Liz. C ya everybody
Fox Monacular: see you aroud, Agatha!
Fox Monacular: hey Borry, how are you adaping?
Fox Monacular: I can show you around before Sasha wakes up if you like
Borrys Oakleaf: sorry i keep reading stuff on the side, so sometimes i lose track of what's going on
Borrys Oakleaf: i am a bad resident
Fox Monacular: sure, we all do this
Fox Monacular: so you want to go for a walk?
Borrys Oakleaf: sure where
Borrys Oakleaf: i will follow
Fox Monacular: ok, follow me
Fox Monacular: bye Yakuzza, have a good day!
Fox Monacular: was good to see you
Borrys Oakleaf: bye there