2010.03.30 07:00 - Continuing Story

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Liza Deischer: Hey riddle
    Riddle Sideways: good morning, Liza
    Liza Deischer: good afternoon :-)
    Riddle Sideways: ah that time is a relative thing
    Riddle Sideways: depends on your point of view
    Liza Deischer: hmm, depends, normally I need to go to sleep now
    Riddle Sideways: the afternoon nap?
    Liza Deischer: yes, need it to get through the evening
    Liza Deischer: time being relative because I'm here
    Liza Deischer: time changing
    Liza Deischer: but my bodyrithm is less relative
    Riddle Sideways: wonder why that is so
    Liza Deischer: patterns
    Liza Deischer: day and night
    Liza Deischer: the seazons
    Liza Deischer: my bodyrithm
    Riddle Sideways: yet we mess with all that with electric lights, airplane travel
    Liza Deischer: true
    Liza Deischer: still we do like patterns
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I would like a pattern
    Liza Deischer: maybe not always in a conscious way
    Riddle Sideways: night before last I had had enough and went to bed about 9:30
    Riddle Sideways: last night stayed up really late
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: I can't sleep at 9.30
    Riddle Sideways: I could that night
    Riddle Sideways: last night I had to drink 4 glasses of wine
    Riddle Sideways: so I was wired and stayed up cleaning up
    Liza Deischer: to be able to stay awake, or to be able to sleep
    Riddle Sideways: last night I celebrate Pesach / Passover
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Riddle Sideways: only 11 people in the house this year
    Riddle Sideways: nice to have it smaller
    Liza Deischer: only 11
    Liza Deischer: to me that is an invasion
    Riddle Sideways: we have had 28 some years
    Liza Deischer: wow
    Riddle Sideways: that is an invasion
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: have to move furniture
    Liza Deischer: yes, well I would have to
    Riddle Sideways: we tell an ancient story in first person
    Riddle Sideways: that is so amazing
    Riddle Sideways: all around the world there are people telling the same story
    Riddle Sideways: and they have for 2500+ years
    Riddle Sideways: and it is told in first person
    Riddle Sideways: I was there
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: that is more then my reincarnation
    Liza Deischer: counting in past lives?
    Riddle Sideways: that is me connecting with an endless stream of conscienceness
    Riddle Sideways: not really full past lives
    Riddle Sideways: a continual slice of time.
    Liza Deischer: you know about you're past lives?
    Riddle Sideways: the same event repeated yearly and experienced the same, only different cloths and dining rooms
    Liza Deischer: hmm
    Riddle Sideways: well, I am very confused over past lives subject
    Liza Deischer: I guess that's why I asked
    Riddle Sideways: [note: just saw the animated effect of the 15 minute timer, but did not hear the bell nor fountain frothing, nor bell and be quiet log message]
    Riddle Sideways: I think I know of past lives
    Riddle Sideways: real memories of times and places
    Riddle Sideways: everything like other people discribe
    Riddle Sideways: except I am not a famous person.
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: so what is your confusion?
    Riddle Sideways: Why are there so many cleopatras in everybodies past lives
    Liza Deischer: maybe there were
    Liza Deischer: but I don't think so
    Riddle Sideways: well... in the same way/felling/moo/mode I can see future lives and "other" lives
    Liza Deischer: other meaning?
    Riddle Sideways: past/future lives are defined with time
    Riddle Sideways: and being humanoid
    Riddle Sideways: there are real and known lives that do not
    Riddle Sideways: very hard to explain
    Liza Deischer: mybe it takes a human to see/feel human lives
    Liza Deischer: and it takes another 'being' to feel 'other' lives
    Riddle Sideways: not sure... seems a limiting factor to always only be of humanoid size/build
    Riddle Sideways: teh mind can easily take on another being configuration
    Liza Deischer: I think so
    Riddle Sideways: but, more then the mental states
    Riddle Sideways: years and years ago I was doing a certain practice
    Riddle Sideways: and the guide/teacher did not explain the exercise well enough
    Riddle Sideways: did not follow all the way to their point
    Liza Deischer: happens a lot I'm afraid
    Riddle Sideways: well I was suppose to rotate 180 degrees and I only went 120
    Riddle Sideways: I found a "different" place
    Riddle Sideways: since then have found many different phase shifts
    Riddle Sideways: so many people use different words to try and explain
    Riddle Sideways: one way is to talk of parallel universes / virtual worlds
    Riddle Sideways: well, what about non-parallel
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: so past lives fit into nice neat boxes
    Riddle Sideways: fractual dimensions do not fit nicely
    Liza Deischer: not nicely to human nature
    Riddle Sideways: ah, that might be our answer
    Riddle Sideways: why do so many past lives have to be human
    Liza Deischer: I aks myself the same question
    Riddle Sideways: and what do you answer yourself?
    Liza Deischer: only asking the question :-)
    Liza Deischer: but I think consiousness is flexible
    Liza Deischer: can also be limited as expanned
    Liza Deischer: but limitation seems to be an ego thing
    Liza Deischer: and ego's come in many different ways
    Liza Deischer: though I need to say that I don't belief our 'mind' is buddha in itself (so to speak)
    Liza Deischer: it has the nature
    Riddle Sideways: welcome, Yaku
    Liza Deischer: but needs to be developed
    Bleu Oleander: hi!
    Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
    Liza Deischer: hi Bleu
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Bleu
    Liza Deischer: but I don't have experiences that can back it up
    Liza Deischer: that's why I was curious
    Riddle Sideways: sorry Yak and bleu, had to recap what has been streaming along
    Riddle Sideways: but, we should not need experiences to back up the new and unknown
    Bleu Oleander: pls don't let me interrupt ...
    Liza Deischer: true
    Liza Deischer: but I think it can opens your mind to a certain extend
    Riddle Sideways: however, I do not build great works of art (like bleu has) because I have not the experience
    Riddle Sideways: have not developed the artist skill
    Bleu Oleander: i'm a student of art
    Riddle Sideways: and the village square and your plot show that
    Bleu Oleander: would not call any art i have created great
    Bleu Oleander: byt ty anyway
    Liza Deischer: no but you have the desire
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Liza Deischer: where does that come from
    Bleu Oleander: desire to speak through art
    Liza Deischer: we're talking here about 'other' lives
    Bleu Oleander: as a form of expression where words are more diff for me
    Liza Deischer: like you are born with it
    Riddle Sideways: other lives where art is the language
    Bleu Oleander: could you say more Liza?
    Liza Deischer: goig on a path you already decided on way back in earlier lives
    Liza Deischer: for riddle I would say 'earlier' lives (with quotes) :-)
    Riddle Sideways: ok :)
    Liza Deischer: why do I feel the flow of music
    Liza Deischer: understanding it in a way that is not always reflected in other people
    Liza Deischer: like I have experienced that flow before
    Riddle Sideways: a resonence that is not as strong in others
    Liza Deischer: yes (still being a student also :-))
    Liza Deischer: why could Mozart compose pieces when he was 5 years old
    Riddle Sideways: being allowed/given a pencil, brush, instrument to express oneself
    Riddle Sideways: as a 5 year old coudl express
    Liza Deischer: and taking use of it
    Riddle Sideways: a freedom to express whatever
    Liza Deischer: and maybe it all starts with a mindsetting
    Liza Deischer: wanting to learn
    Liza Deischer: to experiment
    Riddle Sideways: an opening
    Liza Deischer: (seeing everybody looking up to the kira announcement)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Liza Deischer: what do you think Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: about art?
    Bleu Oleander: curiosity
    Bleu Oleander: drives me
    Liza Deischer: about having this passion
    Bleu Oleander: to experiment with art, music
    Bleu Oleander: passion drives my curiosity
    Bleu Oleander: which in turn increases my passion
    Liza Deischer: or the other way around ?
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: circular
    Bleu Oleander: hard to know which came first
    Riddle Sideways: who cares
    Bleu Oleander: curiosity i suspect
    Bleu Oleander: exactly
    Liza Deischer: the egg and the chicken
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Liza Deischer: but there is something weird about it too
    Liza Deischer: mozart being a genious, but prette wako also
    Liza Deischer: like he was only in touch with a part of mind-developing
    Bleu Oleander: fine line between creativity and insanity?
    Liza Deischer: yes, loosing other things out of side
    Bleu Oleander: chemical imbalance
    Riddle Sideways: so, there is this 5 year old. like any 5 year old he jums and drums and sings a little ditty
    Riddle Sideways: why would somebody (a grown up?) write that down
    Riddle Sideways: and keep it, when others 5 year old works were not kept
    Bleu Oleander: my mom kept all my early paintings
    Riddle Sideways: I have ALLL of my kid's works
    Liza Deischer: but why yours and not mine
    Liza Deischer: like she already knew something
    Liza Deischer: but it is an interesting question riddle
    Liza Deischer: because what is it that we as grown ups see, or maybe want to see?
    Riddle Sideways: a glimse
    Liza Deischer: why do we think mozart developing is so important
    Liza Deischer: that we still listen to his music today
    Bleu Oleander: we might see something in our childrens art expression that we wish for ourselves
    Bleu Oleander: freedom to express with art and music
    Liza Deischer: could be both curiosity as jealousy
    Bleu Oleander: I don't think I would call it jealousy
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps too strong a word
    Liza Deischer: I agree Bleu, but didn't have antoher one
    Bleu Oleander: desire to be free
    Bleu Oleander: open to new expressions
    Riddle Sideways: for some reason we will think of most of our lives and our time as mundane
    Riddle Sideways: but we get a glimpse of other
    Riddle Sideways: a sliver of a moment of the light
    Liza Deischer: catching a glimpse of something different (as you said riddle), something attractive
    Bleu Oleander: child-like innocence
    Riddle Sideways: it has so many names
    Riddle Sideways: the ever continuing story
    Liza Deischer: [note: hearing both bells]
    Riddle Sideways: [note: hmmmmmm, did not hear]
    Liza Deischer: [that's why I made the note] :-)
    Liza Deischer: I mean, don't understand why you're not hearing it
    Riddle Sideways: need ear wax remover for this computer
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: well my sounds (viewer 2.0) seems to be mixed up also, sometimes
    Riddle Sideways: well, folks need to be gone to next ...
    Liza Deischer: thansk for the great discussion, but I need to go
    Riddle Sideways: thanks all
    Bleu Oleander: c u all later!
    Bleu Oleander: bye Yaku, Liza
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