2010.03.13 13:00 - Genii loci of PaB

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal, filling in for Sharon, who fell asleep during a thunderstorm. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, Eden, Arabella, Zen, Agatha, Sharon, and Steve.

This was a wild and often spooky session, full of serious themes and light banter. Dozens of potential titles errupted here and there throughout our time, and if one wants to know why this one, begin your journey ------> >here<

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: I just noticed that Bleu has your painting up at her spot... fits in very nicely :)
Zen Arado: good :)
Eliza Madrigal: Eden!

Eden arrives and I jump up to show her that I indeed kept my word about greeting her with bells on...  

Zen Arado: Look who's here !
Eden Haiku: Hi Eliza! Zen ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh....
Eden Haiku: Agathathita!
Zen Arado: Hi Eden :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: jumping up and down... will bells on. Hope they are ringing :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Trampoline Liz?
Eden Haiku: yes, wonderful Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you back Edie :)
Eden Haiku: Wearing glasses now Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal resists asking lots of questions about trips and such... allowing Eden to settle in to SL :)
Eden Haiku: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, good to have a clear view :)
Agatha Macbeth: No sparkle tonight!
Eden Haiku: Found nothing to wear in my inventory...
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa, some inventory ;-)
Eden Haiku: Kept trying outfits...
Eden Haiku: Discarding them...
Eliza Madrigal: time for shopping ;-)
Eden Haiku: Setlling back into SL I guess..
Agatha Macbeth: I like the red one best
Eden Haiku: The red Eden you mean...I think it is called true cabelo...
Agatha Macbeth: Mm, nice
Agatha Macbeth: Ah!
Eliza Madrigal: OOOo
Eden Haiku: And maybe this outfit would be better...
Agatha Macbeth: Nice hair too
Agatha Macbeth: No sign of Sharon yet?
Eliza Madrigal: Sharon seems to be running late, may have had to work or asleep due to working late
Eliza Madrigal: So we'll see :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Agatha Macbeth: She'll turn into Wol if she's not careful :))
Eliza Madrigal: Ah working so much lately? yes
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, a scottish Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Difficult to find balance sometimes
Eliza Madrigal: either lots of work and no leisure... or visa versa
Agatha Macbeth: Hoots mon McEdie!
Eden Haiku: ah ah

After an interesting "art & philosophy" session yesterday, Zen was inspired... 

Zen Arado: I was painting today
Agatha Macbeth: Tres chic cherie :)
Zen Arado: got some inspiration yesterday !
Eliza Madrigal: yes very cute :)
Agatha Macbeth: Picures or house Zen?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, glad to hear that Zen. It was a great session!
Agatha Macbeth: pictures
Zen Arado: pictures
Eden Haiku: Oh Zen, thought about you while looking at this video about iPad. They will have a brushes app for it too!
Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Zen Arado: I have an Iphone too now
Eden Haiku: You do? Always at the front line with gadgets!
Zen Arado: prefer real painting tho
Zen Arado: would take a while to learn 'brushes'app
Eden Haiku: Ah you were painting with real oils and acrylics then?
Eliza Madrigal: yes something about the feel of the brushes on canvas...
Zen Arado: yes acrylic
Agatha Macbeth: Some things *are* better real than digital :)
Eliza Madrigal: Do you ever use a knife to paint with Zen?
Zen Arado: oh yes all the time
Eden Haiku: Oh Eliza! I love your dress!
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't a brush easier?
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely. Thanks so much :)
Zen Arado: depends what you want to achieve
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it's gorgeous
Zen Arado: sometimes ust pour it on from a cup
Eliza Madrigal has always thought it would be fun to work with wax (encaustics) and knives...
Agatha Macbeth: A la Jackson Pollock?
--BELL--
Zen Arado: I'm not too successful with drippy painting I admit
Agatha Macbeth: You're too modest Zen
Zen Arado: no ..being honest
Zen Arado: I like experimenting though
Agatha Macbeth: Honest and modes, then
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: modest
Eliza Madrigal: Many artists seem to have their minds on the next thing/step, so maybe don't quite evaluate the last one as worthy...?
Zen Arado: I use sandpaper a lot too
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Sandpaper?
Eden Haiku: To smooth surfaces?

Sandpaper and underlying layers ...

Zen Arado: if you have a lot of layers of paint it is intesting to uncover them again
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm... and when you said that I remembered a work I viewed once which had chicken wire embedded in it...
Eden Haiku: Layers is an interesting topic.
Eliza Madrigal: was interesting
Zen Arado: let the underlying layer come through in unexpected ways
Eliza Madrigal: Yes Eden, very much so. What does it conjur for you?
Eden Haiku: Like let being shine?
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Eliza Madrigal: excavation
Eden Haiku: Shine through our identities or identifications?
Zen Arado: we let out real nature shine through
Eden Haiku: Archeology of our souls.
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, nice!
Zen Arado: Eckhart Tolle Quote
Agatha Macbeth: The stratigraphy would be interesting! :)

Zen Arado: !The primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but your thoughts about it. Be aware of the thoughts you are thinking. Separate them from the situation, which is always neutral, which always is as it is. There is the situation or the fact, and here are my thoughts about it. Instead of making up stories, stay with the facts. For example, "I am ruined" is a story. It limits you and prevents you from taking effective action. "I have 50 cents left in my bank account" is a fact. Facing facts is always empowering."

Eden Haiku: Facing facts always empowering: yes, that sounds true.
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: I keep telling myself stories
Agatha Macbeth: He's walking backwards for Christmas :)
Zen Arado: trouble is I believe them as well!
Eliza Madrigal: so bare essentials...
Zen Arado: neutral facts
Eliza Madrigal: rather than "I'm a failure"... "This plan didn't work"
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen Arado: wouldn't that save us so much suffering?
Eliza Madrigal: Or even better, "this aspect of the plan didn't work and others did"
Agatha Macbeth: Easier said than done tho
Zen Arado: ot 'this always happens to me so'....
Eliza Madrigal nods... there does seem to rise up a 'why me' thing
Zen Arado: tru Aga
Eden Haiku: Yes, to me too ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Zen Arado: love our stories
Eliza Madrigal: but yes a wonderful skill to cultivate.... seeing that things are made up of many factors, stories, etc
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Zen Arado: love our dramas
Eliza Madrigal: and they aren't necessarily glued together. We do that
Eden Haiku: We do that yes.

A flood of potential titles ...

Eden Haiku: We invent causalities that aren't.
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: and then build them little temples
Eden Haiku: Little temples of our littleness.
Agatha Macbeth: Or liitle dungeons...
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh Oh, definitely
Eden Haiku: And dragons too...
Zen Arado: getting poetic :)
Eden Haiku: Are we?
Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Eden
Zen Arado: think so :)

Arabella arrives...

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
Eden Haiku: Hey Arabella!
Agatha Macbeth: Here's Ara!
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Zen Arado: Hi Ara :)
Eliza Madrigal: Will make you a note Ara :)
arabella Ella: thanks Eliza!
Eden Haiku: We are talking about stories we tell ourselfes, dungeons and dragons...
Agatha Macbeth: :)
arabella Ella loves stories ...
Eden Haiku: Layers of colors and textures we put on our Self.
Eden Haiku: Painting as a metaphor...
arabella Ella: hmmmmm ..... loads i guess?
Eden Haiku: Stop me someone!
Agatha Macbeth: Or a metamorphosis?
Eliza Madrigal refuses to stop Eden
Eliza Madrigal: :))
arabella Ella: thanks Eliza!
Eden Haiku: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal nods to Ag
Zen Arado: you write notes fast Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
arabella Ella: it is taking ages to load ... the notecard ... but
Agatha Macbeth: She has her anim back!
Eliza Madrigal: yes that's another thing.... we can methodically peel layers or sometimes we can maybe pop through (a bunch of) them....

Ara's quesion takes us back to younger settings ...

arabella Ella: i wonder ... do our stories change or evolve from when we are kids to when we become adults? and how?
Eliza Madrigal: some don't seem to
Eliza Madrigal: which seems to me more remarkable in a way
Zen Arado: maybe they become more frequest?
--BELL--
Zen Arado: frequent
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I see basic stories which then have developed more and more elaborations / gotten more sophisticated (supposedly)
Zen Arado: just realizing we are doing it is great
Zen Arado: and habitual
Eliza Madrigal: like movie scripts... there aren't that many different plot lines
Zen Arado: we have to be quick to be able to catch them
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but talented writers and directors can make them seem different...
Zen Arado: because once they get going....
Eliza Madrigal: heh
Eden Haiku: I'm lost between lines
Eliza Madrigal: lost in translation? :)
Eden Haiku: Like what you say rings a bell about something I can't remember
Agatha Macbeth: Blurring the lines...
Eden Haiku: About stories, layers, catching ourselves on time
Eliza Madrigal: ah, going backwards into memory... simpler and simpler... deconstruction, unwravelings...
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Eden Haiku: Yes yes
Eden Haiku: And back to painting pictures.
Eliza Madrigal: forgetting intentionally and then peeking again.... like a writer putting away their tablet for a few days
Eden Haiku: Like the impression sometimes that we could peel the sky and behind there would be something else, the wheels of time or whatever
Eliza Madrigal: Mmmm
Eden Haiku: Behind our pixel world even in RL
Eden Haiku: same same
Eliza Madrigal: or *just* awareness.. yet not mine or yours
Zen Arado: sandpaper ourselves back
Eliza Madrigal: !! :))
Agatha Macbeth: Ouch that hurts! :(
Eliza Madrigal: friction
Eliza Madrigal: hahahahahah Agatha
Zen Arado: wet and dry works great :)
Eden Haiku: Sandpaper ourselves back that is beautiful!
Eliza Madrigal: the sand working on the pearl
Eden Haiku: And that hurts yes Agatha!
arabella Ella: to remove tough and rough edges
Zen Arado: stories are comforting then ?
Eliza Madrigal: oo yes... show us where we're edgy
Agatha Macbeth likes to think she's smooth enough already
Eliza Madrigal: and what we're trying to cover for
Zen Arado: but still make us suffer

Sad stories...

arabella Ella: some stories are comforting ... not all
arabella Ella: some are sad
arabella Ella: some may be embarrasing
Eliza Madrigal nods
Zen Arado: but we wallow in the sadness
Zen Arado: pity party
arabella Ella disagrees with Zen there :)
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes its good to sit with the sadness
arabella Ella: wallowing in saddness gets no one anywhere
Zen Arado: ha ha good Ara
arabella Ella: as the tune goes ... always look on the bright side of things ...
Zen Arado: leads to depression, but I have done it
Eden Haiku: To sit with the sadness sometimes is good, I agree Eliza
Eliza Madrigal was depressed UNTIL she learned to sit with the sadness... feel it... let it lift
arabella Ella doesnt like to be sad
Eden Haiku: To sit with anything that comes up in fact
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Zen Arado: sadness but not self pity
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth hugs Liz
Eliza Madrigal smiles and hugs Ag back. Thanks :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Zen Arado: yes just the emotion ...not the stories about the emotion
arabella Ella: then yes
arabella Ella: can take that
Eden Haiku: Yes, quite an interesting distinction Zen
Eliza Madrigal nods
arabella Ella: like the catharsis following a good cry
Eden Haiku: Emotion like primary color. Essence,
Eliza Madrigal: often people enter into hm.. low level depression which they don't realize because they've been putting on a happy face :)
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
Eliza Madrigal: I was in a diner today and looked around from table to table at one point wondering why people don't smile more
arabella Ella: owwww
Eliza Madrigal: why they sit there, out for breakfast, and just stare
Zen Arado: like positive thinking just allows underlying ........ to fester
Eden Haiku: @ Eliza, good question
Zen Arado: can't think of right word there:)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe.... Zen like mold?
arabella Ella: i often notice in restaurants ... couples on holiday here ... never even exchanging a word ... very sad
Eliza Madrigal: Or rather: Zen, like mold?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes! Ara... that's what I was seeing
Agatha Macbeth: Mold or mould? ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Zen Arado: was a joke about that - you can always tell the married couples in a restaurant - they are the ones who don't speak
arabella Ella giggles ... nice one Zen
Eden Haiku: ;-)))
Agatha Macbeth: They might be married, but not to each other
--BELL--
arabella Ella: i've often seen silent couples in pubs in UK on saturday nights ... they MUST go out just for the sake of going on as it is a Saturday night it seems ... crazy methinks!
Zen Arado: joke is a bit cruel
Agatha Macbeth: True that Ara
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
arabella Ella: i think it is realistic Zen
Zen Arado: nods
Eliza Madrigal: unfortunately often accurate zen
Eliza Madrigal: today, mostly it was families.. and parents on phones... kids looking blank...
Eliza Madrigal: we just seem to exhaust ourselves in so many little ways.

Waking sleep and natural joy...

Eden Haiku: Empty faces, empty souls
Zen Arado: there is a kind of cultural norm we have to adhere to to be happy
Agatha Macbeth: Like Gurdjieff said 'waking sleep'
arabella Ella: it is such a pity when some people seem to lose their appreciation of the beauty of life
Eden Haiku: I think joy is natural though
Zen Arado: things everyone does
arabella Ella agrees with Eden
Eden Haiku: It is sadness that is not: look at babies!
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Zen Arado: yes if we let it emerge Eden
Eden Haiku: They are bublling with happiness
arabella Ella: as are most kids
Agatha Macbeth: Cos they don't know any better!
Eliza Madrigal: haha
arabella Ella: cos they let their imagination run wild which is great
Eden Haiku: No, beacuse they love and embrace life
Agatha Macbeth: That too
arabella Ella: and they have less constraints ... they are not stuck in a rut
Zen Arado: haven't made up enough stories to make themselves miserable yet !
Agatha Macbeth: Mm
Zen Arado: they are just aware
Eden Haiku: Waking sleep is a state of numbness we drive ourselves into when growing up
arabella Ella: reminds me of Pink Floyd and the expression 'comfortably numb'
Eden Haiku: Hummm
Eliza Madrigal:  wanted to stand up and say "SNAP OUT OF IT"
Zen Arado: ha ha yes Aga
Agatha Macbeth: Ha! Yes Ara :)
arabella Ella nods to Eliza
Eden Haiku: yes
Eliza Madrigal: And yet there is a spectrum I guess....
Zen Arado: or Ara sorry :)
arabella Ella: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aga, Ara?
Eden Haiku: many layers of consciousness and numbness @Eliza
Eliza Madrigal needs someone to yell SNAP OUT OF IT at herself, too... maybe before even out of bed
Agatha Macbeth: Woops
Eliza Madrigal nods nods
Zen Arado: especialy before I get out of bed
Agatha Macbeth: That's where you miss yer parents
Eden Haiku: Dance of many veils
Zen Arado: old grumpy :)
arabella Ella: well the way i see it quite a few adults tend to lose interest in most things during their passage through life and end up simply bored and not interested in anything simply going through the motions like ... zombies
Zen Arado: me that is :)
arabella Ella: sad
Zen Arado: true Ara
Eliza Madrigal: MMMM Eden... yes... so what can we do to loosen the layers of numbness so they fall away easily.... or that we see through them....
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
Eden Haiku: Zombies yes, like f some ghoul had eaten up their joy, yes, some...
Agatha Macbeth: Drop 'em
Zen Arado: yep Aga
Agatha Macbeth: (f you'll pardon the expression)
Zen Arado: he he
Eliza Madrigal smiles

Eden and I find another pleasure in common ...

Eden Haiku: Like in Harry Potter how are they called.. the ones that make you feel cold and you need to eat chocolate,,,
Zen Arado: lucky I didn't say that :)
Eliza Madrigal: dementors...
Eliza Madrigal: oh definitely
Eden Haiku: Dementors yes...
Eliza Madrigal carries 'emergency chocolate' when travelling ;-)
arabella Ella: he he
Eden Haiku: Me too ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Eden Haiku: Harry Potter are very parctical guidebooks...
Eliza Madrigal: yes I find that too! so many concepts...
Eden Haiku: How to deal with Dementors and use your Patronus!
Eliza Madrigal: like those things that get into one's mind and make everything fuzzy
arabella Ella: like alcohol?
arabella Ella: only joking
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: (hic)
Eliza Madrigal: nargles?
Agatha Macbeth: Same tio you
Eliza Madrigal: something like that... haha
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, triggers that go deep into your own neuroses..
Eden Haiku: Neurosis?
Eliza Madrigal: but yes the patronus is an imagination to project which disspates the darkness....
Zen Arado: pain body :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mr Freud
Eden Haiku: Lost my English between hindi and telugu...
Eliza Madrigal: or something that scares you and you turn it into something else... transformations
Eden Haiku: Yes, I can tell you are a Harry Potter fan too Eliza!
Zen Arado: never read Harry P
Eliza Madrigal has raised her kids on harry potter :)
Zen Arado: missed out there
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so worthwhile...
Eliza Madrigal: and then for grown-ups... Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell...
Eden Haiku: Read them to get in synch with my godaugther but she had grown out of it...
Eliza Madrigal: but you hadn't?!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Zen Arado: finished the Milennium trilogy too Eden :(

Eliza Madrigal: what Ara was saying about imagination being a source for joy in children...
Eliza Madrigal: yes I think that's what many have lost... their playful natures
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: No, she found me so boooring with my obsession...;-))
Agatha Macbeth: "In the head of a man is a woman, In the head of woman is a man, but what wonders roam in the head of a child".
Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
Agatha Macbeth: Marc Bolan
Eden Haiku: Beautiful quote!
arabella Ella: lovely
Zen Arado: nice quote Aga
Agatha Macbeth smiles

When we, were young...

Eden Haiku: What was in your mind when you were kids?
arabella Ella: lots of lovely imagination and adventure
Zen Arado: long time ago in my case :(
Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember, too long ago ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
arabella Ella: idealism too
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: horses, ballerinas...
arabella Ella: i remember lots even tho it was ages ago too
Eliza Madrigal: throwing things down a hole that I called 'the bottomless pit'
Agatha Macbeth: Odd combo that Liz :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal was an odd child
Eden Haiku: I had this dream of having a magic pencil that would color just as I would picture in my mind...Brushes app is this dream come true!
arabella Ella: i had lots of ballet images too
Agatha Macbeth: Naaaw!!
Zen Arado: the horseback ballerina :)
Eliza Madrigal: wow Eden... you were writing worlds already
Eliza Madrigal laughs at Zen
Eden Haiku: @Eliza a bottomless pit, how interesting!
Zen Arado: you were predicting the future Eden
Eliza Madrigal was often told not to come inside until after dark... had to entertain myself for hours outside... beautiful gardens my great-grandmother had cultivated
arabella Ella: we had found lots of secret passages as kids too ... used to explore lots
Zon Quar: hello buddhas
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Ara. with siblings?
arabella Ella: Hiya Zon!
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zon
arabella Ella: with siblings and other neighbourhood friends
Zen Arado: Hi Zon :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
arabella Ella: we also built huts which formed kids villages
Eden Haiku: Lucky you, you had real secret passages in Malta. I kept looking for castles and secret passages but there are none here!
Zen Arado: we used to hang around streams
arabella Ella: oh yes and ghosts in castles too
Eliza Madrigal: Ooooo wonderful!!

The blue lady...

arabella Ella: the blue lady for example
Zen Arado: catch little fish
Eden Haiku: The blue lady? Hi Zon!
Eden Haiku: We are talking about what was on our mind when we were kids,
arabella Ella: i remember camping in the castle grounds as a girl guide and waking up to walk to the castle to see whether we would see the ghost of the blue lady
arabella Ella: must have been around 12 or 13
Eliza Madrigal: Sounds like that might make a nice little book, Ara
arabella Ella: yes
Eden Haiku: Wow, I like that story Ara!
Eliza Madrigal can picture the blue lady
Zen Arado: I have a friend is interested in ghosts
Eden Haiku: Oh,,,
arabella Ella: lots of ghosts and spirits on this little rock
Eliza Madrigal felt like she was a ghost as a child... thinks that's part of what happens when you play with imaginary friends ;-)
Zen Arado: she went to an old gaol couple of weeks ago ghost hunting
arabella Ella: well i went to an old military prison today
Eden Haiku: Imaginary friends Eliza, tell us more ;-))
arabella Ella: was an exciting expertience
arabella Ella: experience
Zon Quar: oops gtg to dance, c u
arabella Ella: had lunch in sergeants mess
Zen Arado: she showedme photos of the ghosts
arabella Ella: bye Zon enjoy!
Zen Arado: bye Zon
Eliza Madrigal: so neat.... imagining all these things together
Eden Haiku: Bye Zon!
arabella Ella: also saw the solitary confinement cell ... weird feeling
Eliza Madrigal: what was the occasion Ara?
arabella Ella: it was what we call a site visit to a place of cultural / historical interest
Eden Haiku: Yes, feeling like in a playground with ghosts and ballerinas and a blue lady
arabella Ella: apparently this was a british military prison built in 1830 and used until the 1970s
Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
Zen Arado: you see any ghosts Ara ?
Eden Haiku: What were the photos like Zen?
Zen Arado: just 'orbs'
arabella Ella: did not see ... or either feel ... any ghosts or spirits today unfortunately
arabella Ella: but ... when we had the retreat locally
Zen Arado: little white bits in the photos
arabella Ella: we were based near Mdina the old walled city
arabella Ella: and that is definitely a place where i always feel the presence of spirits
arabella Ella: it is a place where i feel uncomfortable walking alone at night
arabella Ella: through the narrow medieval winding streets
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I wonder if it isn't people but their stories which linger...
Eden Haiku: L'esprit des lieux in French, Is there the same expression in English?
arabella Ella: what is lieux Eden?
arabella Ella: spirit of ?
Eliza Madrigal: someone's memory left wisping by... and one feels it....
Agatha Macbeth: Genius loci?
Eden Haiku: Spirit of places literally...
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Eden Haiku: Yes, Genius loci...
Agatha Macbeth nods
arabella Ella: ah ... yes ... that is what i feel more or less in Mdina
Eden Haiku: Do you use the latin expression in English?
Eliza Madrigal: something you've sensed Ag?
arabella Ella: first time i heard it

Site guardians...

Agatha Macbeth: Kind of a site guardian...
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Oh in the past
Eden Haiku: A site guardian, yes, nice way to see it...
arabella Ella: please say more Aga ...
Eliza Madrigal: is that what we are? heheh
Eden Haiku: Was wondering too ;-)
Zen Arado: interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe we are the Genii loci of PaB :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ding, log title!
Eliza Madrigal: :)
arabella Ella: :)
Zen Arado: :)
Eden Haiku: Genii loci of PaB! My God, you can conjugate in latin Agathitha!
Agatha Macbeth: We haunt the pavilion, no?
arabella Ella: will our spirits lurk here after we are gone
Agatha Macbeth: pavilion
Eliza Madrigal: at the very least our stories....
Zen Arado: she' a genius
arabella Ella nods
Agatha Macbeth: KB is dyslexic tonight
Eden Haiku: They do in fact, all past conversations are surrounding us, unaware...
arabella Ella: yes
Agatha Macbeth: And recorded :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes and their feeling is in them
Eden Haiku: And recorded yes!
Eliza Madrigal: one can be there
arabella Ella: the trust ... the honesty ... the friendship
--BELL--
Eden Haiku: Yes Ara
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth will slip off now. Bye all
Zen Arado: anything posted on the web is there forever they say
arabella Ella: nite Aga
Agatha Macbeth: .-''''-.,.-''''-.
Agatha Macbeth: ! I LOVE !
Agatha Macbeth: ". YOU ."
Agatha Macbeth: '''-.,.-
Zen Arado: bye Aga :)
Eden Haiku: Bye Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Ag :) Smooches!!!
arabella Ella: hug!
Eliza Madrigal: (that was sweet)
Eden Haiku: That was!

Stormy weather stories...

arabella Ella: just a brief anecdote from my childhood ....
Eliza Madrigal leans in
Eden Haiku: yes
arabella Ella: in an attempt not to let us get scared in bad weather
arabella Ella: we were told that thunder was simply st peter and st paul playing marbles
Eden Haiku: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
arabella Ella: however am still scared in bad storms
Zen Arado: :)
Eden Haiku: my mother used to light candles
Eliza Madrigal: When storms were bad, I wasn't allowed to bathe or to put my feet on the floor
Eliza Madrigal: it made me love showering during storms now... go figure
arabella Ella: we sometimes have to light candles as we may get a power cut ... rarely but it still happens at times
Zen Arado: I think ppl actually believed ithunder was from God
arabella Ella: oh yes Zen
Eden Haiku: You are a rebel Eliza!
Eliza Madrigal remembers kerosine laterns ...
arabella Ella giggles at Eliza and her showers during storms ... might as well go outdoors to get wet
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
arabella Ella: we still have some kerosine lanterns
Eden Haiku: I,m singing in the rain...
arabella Ella: gene kelley ... he he
Eliza Madrigal loves rain... and walking in it
Zen Arado: and we're happy again :)
Eliza Madrigal: what a glorious feeling...
Eden Haiku: In puddles and in mud...
arabella Ella: rode my bike today in the rain ... lovely
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: that sounds fun ara!
Zen Arado: do de doo doo...
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't done that since childhood
arabella Ella: yes it was fun also with cars splashing rain over me :)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh... as long as not mud puddles
Eden Haiku: ;-((
arabella Ella: yes it was just water
arabella Ella: no damage
arabella Ella: just fun
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: so many things this conversation has conjured up....
arabella Ella nods
arabella Ella: very lively evening
Eden Haiku: Yes, it was lovely.
arabella Ella: (evening for me in europe ... night actually)
Eliza Madrigal: fun to think about what we were like as children... kind of takes one back to feel as though we are meeting in that time
Zen Arado: we will run out someday and ust sit here silently...
arabella Ella: i think it is so important to nurture and cultivate the child within each and every one of us
Eden Haiku: Yes, I agree with you Ara
Eliza Madrigal: rediscovering the nature of play
Zen Arado: Jesus you have to become as a little child....
Zen Arado: said
arabella Ella: yes
Eliza Madrigal: :) yes to have access to seeing the kingdom of heaven...

His Holines...

Eden Haiku: This pavilion is so enchanting, it feels good to be back. Even if sitting with His Holiness and tibetan monks and nuns was pretty nice too ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure THAT was asounding Eden
arabella Ella: you really did Eden?
Eliza Madrigal: but am so glad you're happy to see us too :)))
arabella Ella: happy to see you back too Eden
Eden Haiku: Yes, and the teachings were in Tibetan...
arabella Ella: wow how lovely
Zen Arado: something childlike in HH too...?
Eliza Madrigal: definitely
Zen Arado: I saw him in Belfast about 4 yrars ago
Eden Haiku: I felt very privileged: listening to such ancient transmissions. Yes, very funny HH...
Eliza Madrigal: all of the teachings Eden?
arabella Ella: did you understand or was there a translation?
Eden Haiku: The Guhyasamaja Tantra teachings, yes,. Five days, 5 hours and a half a day.
Eden Haiku: There was English translation too.
Eliza Madrigal: wow.... sits closer to pick some of that up
Eliza Madrigal giggles
arabella Ella: interesting
Eden Haiku: Hugging you so you can pick up all of it...
Eliza Madrigal: (((Eden))) yes I was there with you ;-)
Eden Haiku: I know...
Eliza Madrigal: What was the most compelling idea/part, of what you heard?
arabella Ella: hugging you back Eden!
Eliza Madrigal: I know complex...

Eden conveyed the following story very thoughtfully... complete with long pauses so that we could sense the anticipation she described...

Eden Haiku: When reading the text His Holiness saud:«The Tataghata, having overcome his sorrow»...

Eden Haiku: And then, he stops reading, his forehead low on the manuscript, falls silent...

Eden Haiku: The whole Sangha holding its breath...

       

Eden Haiku: Then, he discretely wipes his eyes and keeps on reading...having overcomed his own sorrow.

arabella Ella: very much impressed
Eliza Madrigal: stunning
Zen Arado: beautiful Eden
Eden Haiku: That was very very moving.
Eden Haiku: Talking with a Tibetan woman afterwards, I was sharing that he must have been thinking about his sorrow about Tibet.
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: the way you shared with us is moving also... tangible
Eden Haiku: She said: he was thinking about all the sorrow, of the whole world, of all sentient beings,
Zen Arado: I felt moved by just seing him
Zen Arado: which surprised me at the time.....
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, and there we see a display of sadness not being the problem, but getting stuck in it....
Eliza Madrigal: of using it, transforming it... releasing it to love
arabella Ella: what a lovely impressive image thanks Eden for sharing it
Eliza Madrigal: what did you feel Zen?
Eden Haiku: Such a good example of being a simple monk with total integrity.
Zen Arado: can't describe it.... he was just so humble
Eliza Madrigal: isn't it funny how pictures can convey some of that?
arabella Ella nods
Eden Haiku: In India, they beleibe that darshan of a saint can be given through pictures...
Zen Arado: something more powerful in the flesh though
Eliza Madrigal: I haven't met the tulku from my rl group yet, but from talking with his students and seeing his picture, feel as though I have
Eden Haiku: *believe
Eden Haiku: Oh, is it a young tulku, a child?
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting... think there is something to that... like we were talking about being able to sense in subtle ways
Eden Haiku: Oh yes, Zen, I know what you mean...
Eliza Madrigal: No Eden... he's probably as young as I am
Eden Haiku: A kid then ;-)
arabella Ella: :)
Eliza Madrigal: but looks like a child... his face all bright and happy
Eliza Madrigal: ha!
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha ;-) yes sure
Zen Arado: you know Ringu Tulku?
Eden Haiku: No, who is he?
Zen Arado: he is coming to Ireland soon
Eden Haiku: Oh, nice...
Eliza Madrigal is rather new to these circles
Zen Arado: a Tibetan teacher
Zen Arado: he is on Facebook
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :))
Eden Haiku: DalaiLama is on Twitter!
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Eliza Madrigal: yes! hahaha
arabella Ella: there are quite a few Buddhist groups on FB
arabella Ella: just as there are also SL groups
Eden Haiku: It was fun to see these Tibetan monks using Skype or talking on ther cell phones in Dharamsala...
Zen Arado: http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=685681871

Steve arrives for a little while...

Eliza Madrigal: We've been having quite an interesting session... spirits, childhoods, secret passages and castles, sacred news from India....
Eliza Madrigal: Oh must have been Eden! :)
Zen Arado: Hi Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: you still in Inda, Eden?
Zen Arado: thanks for fixing my chat log
Eden Haiku: Hello Steve. No, I'm back home, jet-lagged but happy ;-)
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s what we are here for
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: Ringu looks so happy too
arabella Ella: thanks Zen just sent Friend Add request on FB :)
Eliza Madrigal: there's a glimmer... have felt that with pab friends too :)))
Eden Haiku: You mean when you meet them in RL Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... as well as here... like sightings
Eliza Madrigal: you see the wide-eyedness... sometimes even in text?
Eden Haiku: Even in raiding chat logs that is true. You were all shining in this theme session about scribing where you fflew around in onigokko!
Eden Haiku: *reading
arabella Ella: yes i have always felt we get to know people really well here through chat especially over time when we build up more trust
Eliza Madrigal smiles... glad you found our waves, Eden
Eliza Madrigal: true, Ara... over time I guess we develop familiarity of personality and hear better?

Eden makes an unrefuseable request...

Eden Haiku: may I ask for a little round of flying onigooko befopre I leave this wonderful conversation?
Eliza Madrigal: or hm, not better but hm..
arabella Ella: yes we build up characters and personalities more over time
arabella Ella: oh must wear mine :)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh... finding the flying animation!
Zen Arado: ha ...trying to get rid of mine :)
arabella Ella: ok worn
arabella Ella: argh ... Steve is flying :)
Zen Arado: ty Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: quite relaxing up here
Eliza Madrigal: it IS quite blissful....
Eden Haiku: Woooow thank you!!!
arabella Ella: what fun!!!!!!!!!!
arabella Ella: thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: now I can't remember if this worked....
Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: stop
arabella Ella: all we need is Space Odyssey lyrics
Eliza Madrigal: yes perfect.... now playing in my head
stevenaia Michinaga: we tried that , there is no flying onigokko
arabella Ella: he he
Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh

Eden turns on her radio, then zen....

Eden Haiku: can yopu hear that?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
Eliza Madrigal: thanks, Eden
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
arabella Ella: thanks Eden!
Eden Haiku: It feels so good floating around with you guys!!!
Eden Haiku: Eliza has the perfect dress for that
Eliza Madrigal: !!!!
Eliza Madrigal: my kids are cracking up
arabella Ella giggles
arabella Ella: Hi Kids!
arabella Ella: thanks Zen!!!!!!!!!!1
arabella Ella: so surreal and yet so familiar
Eliza Madrigal: ahhaha
Eliza Madrigal: yes, like some strange memory we're re-enacting
arabella Ella: flying in cyberspace of course
Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
Eliza Madrigal: stop
arabella Ella: where everything is possible
Eliza Madrigal notices Sharon just signed on....
Eliza Madrigal giggles
stevenaia Michinaga: onigokko
Zen Arado: she'll think we've gone mad
Eliza Madrigal: look what we've done to her session
Eliza Madrigal: ;-D
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: stop
Eden Haiku: Hi Sophia...
Zen Arado: Hi Sophia
arabella Ella: hey now to Vienna ... wow ... amazing
arabella Ella: Hiya SSL
Zen Arado: was in Space Odyssey...
Eliza Madrigal: yes figured you were napping....
Eliza Madrigal: Glad we lingered
Eliza Madrigal: :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: awwww
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes me too!
SophiaSharon Larnia: im so sorry
Eliza Madrigal: come on in the air is fine
Eden Haiku: Ah let it all go SophiaSharon...
arabella Ella: this is such amazing fun
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is nice and clear, from here
arabella Ella: so relaxing too
Eliza Madrigal: it ISssss
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol just rezzing! who;s here? LOL
Eden Haiku: Flowing and flowing and flowing
SophiaSharon Larnia: Eden!!!
SophiaSharon Larnia: is here
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to "see" you
Eliza Madrigal: she saw the scribe log.... our waving from flying onigokko
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Eden Haiku: Hello Sophia Sharon! Yes, I'm back and happy to be floating around with you all!
SophiaSharon Larnia: glad to see you made it safe
arabella Ella: flying in time to the music too :)
arabella Ella: smiles on all our faces
Eden Haiku: And I requested a try at it before I left and now I don,t want to leave...
SophiaSharon Larnia: what music! who's is that?
arabella Ella: music is Zen
Eliza Madrigal: yes difficult to leave...
arabella Ella: Space Odyssey
arabella Ella: at my request
SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm off to a spagetti dinner, see you al later
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Steve
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Steve, enjoy! :)
arabella Ella: bye Steve
Eden Haiku: Bye Steve, I will have to fly away too!
SophiaSharon Larnia: who claimed the log, I'll post it :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eden, thanks :))
arabella Ella: bye Eden lovely to see you back and thanks!
Zen Arado: bye Steve
Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza, Zen, Ara, Sophia, it was a great time in the pavilion!
Zen Arado: Bye Eden
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eden
arabella Ella: i must go too bye all ... nite to all!
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ara
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Ara
Eliza Madrigal: hope you are relaxed for sleep
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Zen Arado: nite Ara
Eliza Madrigal: is quite a log sharon... sure?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, it got quiet, no lights or tv, I thought i had lots of time
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, maybe you would be better off posting you were here :)
Eliza Madrigal: will be hard to read how neat this feels with music
Eliza Madrigal: :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Eliza Madrigal: this is what our modern lifestyle has reduced us to...
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: glad to make a fly by anyway ;p
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: alas, should be 'productive'
Zen Arado: you remember the sequence in 2001 ? A Space Oddysey?
Zen Arado: they were flying to the moon and weightless
SophiaSharon Larnia: me? sort of, from the dusty past
Eliza Madrigal: Ahhhh
Zen Arado: ha ha too young
Eliza Madrigal sweeps out the recesses of her mind....
SophiaSharon Larnia: erm not that young !! jaja
Eliza Madrigal: when you're young at heart.... lalala
Zen Arado: well it was 1968
SophiaSharon Larnia: but maybe it wasn't my thing ^..^
Eliza Madrigal was -2 in 1968
SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL at minus 2
SophiaSharon Larnia: me too!! grins
Eliza Madrigal: /smiles
Eliza Madrigal: a year earlier and I would have been born at woodstock
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my!
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: hm, maybe not really... but dates align
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: Woodstock was 1969?
Eliza Madrigal: yup...
Eliza Madrigal: whew... was getting dizzy
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm awake now, stumbled to the comp with a very fuzzy head, now no longer :))
Eliza Madrigal: Glad to be of service!

Ways to know if you are boring...

Eliza Madrigal: I read something funny today..
Eliza Madrigal: think it has implications for pab...
Zen Arado: yes?
SophiaSharon Larnia: really, i apoplogize , i actually sent an email to the google group
Eliza Madrigal: Psychology Today"... a back issue... waiting for an appointment...
SophiaSharon Larnia: before coming here, i still didnt know what time it was
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, don't worry at all Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: glad you got some rest :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eliza Madrigal: the article... read...
Eliza Madrigal: "ways to tell if you are being boring"
Zen Arado: I need to read that :)
Eliza Madrigal: And one of the ways... was if no one interrupts you!
SophiaSharon Larnia: really...
Eliza Madrigal: Isn't that funny....
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Zen Arado: np here then :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes because interruptions are a sign of a provoked response....
Eliza Madrigal: interest
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: everyone interrupts me
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Zen Arado: hmmm. thought it was the other way round
Eliza Madrigal: yes its counterintuitive...
Eliza Madrigal: and I would guess not a 'rule'
Eliza Madrigal: but it also makes senese too
Zen Arado: something to keep in mind though...
Eliza Madrigal: just goes to show... sometimes we read signals in a way that can be off... let our feelings be hurt unecessarily, etc
Zen Arado: yes...
Zen Arado: and tel unnecessary stories
Zen Arado: the stories aren't even true most of the time
Zen Arado: please interrupt me :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: clever ;-)
Zen Arado: I better go it's getting late here
Eliza Madrigal: we started off earlier, Sharon, talking about the stories we build up about things... our constructs...
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nite
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes good to think about
Zen Arado: bye Eliza, Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'll read the log later anyway <sighs>
</sighs>

Sharon and I begin a conversation well suited to the pub's cozy environment...

Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if you're awake enough to talk a little about ideas for the pub?
SophiaSharon Larnia: sure :) what did you have in mind, or.. could some of this be removed from the log, or, do you want to Go to the pub :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Eliza Madrigal: Oh! yes lets do that! Go see Bella...
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
Eliza Madrigal: Say goodnight gracie
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles and waves
Eliza Madrigal: :)